ViintageJunkiie said:

The weakest track on Bad is Just Good Friends. That SHOULD have been replaced by Cheater or even Fly Away

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That was clearly the formula Quincy tried lol of course Michael later included rappers in his other albums but Quincy's thing was putting known singers in duets ("It's the Falling in Love" with Patti Austin, "The Girl is Mine" with Paul, "Just Good Friends" with Stevie). It's quite interesting that Stevie and Michael agreed to do compromises for each other: Stevie probably said "Michael if you do this song with me, I'll do a song on your album" and vice versa and you get "Get It" on Characters and "Just Good Friends" on Bad. Technically though I would've thought "Get It" would've been a better fit on "Bad".

seeingvoices12 said:

No one can lay down harmonies better than MJ

not even P or the godfather of vocal harmonies Marvin??

also, there was an interesting thing in the air at that time. Prince had sold poorly with his post Rain albums but grown in artistic merit, Michael had famously gotten a case of writer's block with the pressure from Thriller. Yet I recall reading statements from critics that "Michael Jackson still gets the B-boys excited, Prince doesn't" which is true with mike's dancing, with his image for that album. Yet musicians would say that "musicians respect Prince more than Michael". and the reviews for P's lovesexy were ridiculously over the top saying "Prince's dancing makes Michael look like Shirley Temple".

To me MJ and Marvin tie as far as vocal harmonies go. Prince is mighty close though.

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

The weakest track on Bad is Just Good Friends. That SHOULD have been replaced by Cheater or even Fly Away

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That was clearly the formula Quincy tried lol of course Michael later included rappers in his other albums but Quincy's thing was putting known singers in duets ("It's the Falling in Love" with Patti Austin, "The Girl is Mine" with Paul, "Just Good Friends" with Stevie). It's quite interesting that Stevie and Michael agreed to do compromises for each other: Stevie probably said "Michael if you do this song with me, I'll do a song on your album" and vice versa and you get "Get It" on Characters and "Just Good Friends" on Bad. Technically though I would've thought "Get It" would've been a better fit on "Bad".

Exactly. "Just Good Friends" fail in comparison to "Get It". I'm sure we'll get a lot of unreleased tracks from Bad session

mozfonky said:

also, there was an interesting thing in the air at that time. Prince had sold poorly with his post Rain albums but grown in artistic merit, Michael had famously gotten a case of writer's block with the pressure from Thriller. Yet I recall reading statements from critics that "Michael Jackson still gets the B-boys excited, Prince doesn't" which is true with mike's dancing, with his image for that album. Yet musicians would say that "musicians respect Prince more than Michael". and the reviews for P's lovesexy were ridiculously over the top saying "Prince's dancing makes Michael look like Shirley Temple".

I hate biased opinions like that. You can respect Michael's hustle and Prince's game too.

I'm not going to turn this into MJ vs Prince thread

mozfonky said:

MyLuv229 said:

Thriller had some good songs, but you can't downplay Man in the Mirror, Smooth Criminal, Liberian Girl, Dirty Diana.... I think the Bad album held up pretty damn well

But point blank answer me, better than the two preceeding albums??

Eh,I dont like comparing his albums . Each of them are unique, brings something different to the table. Its all very subjective IMHO. I for one perfer OTW, Dangerous, and HIStory to Thriller but thats just me. To answer your question Bad wasnt necessarily better but it showed his growth as an artist.

This photo looks like it was after 2005 and before Michael's death, cause his face looks the same as This Is It. Seems like it was from Neverland.

I found it from flickr

[img:$uid]http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9667[/img:$uid]

seeingvoices12 said:

I'm not going to turn this into MJ vs Prince thread

That's why I said what I said and with that can we move on? Prince got his own home in this forum too of course. This is Michael's lol

suga10 said:

This photo looks like it was after 2005 and before Michael's death, cause his face looks the same as This Is It. Seems like it was from Neverland.

I found it from flickr

[img:$uid]http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9667[/img:$uid]

That's a 2002 or early 2003 photo. Because that look Michael had he didn't have it after mid-2003.

Timmy84 said:

mozfonky said:

also, there was an interesting thing in the air at that time. Prince had sold poorly with his post Rain albums but grown in artistic merit, Michael had famously gotten a case of writer's block with the pressure from Thriller. Yet I recall reading statements from critics that "Michael Jackson still gets the B-boys excited, Prince doesn't" which is true with mike's dancing, with his image for that album. Yet musicians would say that "musicians respect Prince more than Michael". and the reviews for P's lovesexy were ridiculously over the top saying "Prince's dancing makes Michael look like Shirley Temple".

I hate biased opinions like that. You can respect Michael's hustle and Prince's game too.

i'm repeating a bit of nostaligic memories, oh it was good to be a kid and a dreamer at that age, i had the fucking best.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

That was clearly the formula Quincy tried lol of course Michael later included rappers in his other albums but Quincy's thing was putting known singers in duets ("It's the Falling in Love" with Patti Austin, "The Girl is Mine" with Paul, "Just Good Friends" with Stevie). It's quite interesting that Stevie and Michael agreed to do compromises for each other: Stevie probably said "Michael if you do this song with me, I'll do a song on your album" and vice versa and you get "Get It" on Characters and "Just Good Friends" on Bad. Technically though I would've thought "Get It" would've been a better fit on "Bad".

Exactly. "Just Good Friends" fail in comparison to "Get It". I'm sure we'll get a lot of unreleased tracks from Bad session

True.

Timmy84 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

I'm not going to turn this into MJ vs Prince thread

That's why I said what I said and with that can we move on? Prince got his own home in this forum too of course. This is Michael's lol

wasn't meant to turn it into anything though, I stated that P the musician influenced Michael the writer and I stand by that, I have good enough ears to know it.

mozfonky said:

MyLuv229 said:

Thriller had some good songs, but you can't downplay Man in the Mirror, Smooth Criminal, Liberian Girl, Dirty Diana.... I think the Bad album held up pretty damn well

But point blank answer me, better than the two preceeding albums??

In my opinion, I wouldn't say it's better than Off the Wall. By the way, apart from Billie Jean, Lady in my Life, PYT, and Human Nature - I'm not too crazy about Thriller. If I'm in the mood to listen to Michael, honestly, the Thriller songs are the last ones I go to. All his albums have great, distinct characters about them and some things that can be replaced with something better. That's what being an artist is about. Not releasing an album that's better than the last, but releasing one that reflects your creative, artistic vision at the time.

MyLuv229 said:

mozfonky said:

But point blank answer me, better than the two preceeding albums??

In my opinion, I wouldn't say it's better than Off the Wall. By the way, apart from Billie Jean, Lady in my Life, PYT, and Human Nature - I'm not too crazy about Thriller. If I'm in the mood to listen to Michael, honestly, the Thriller songs are the last ones I go to. All his albums have great, distinct characters about them and some things that can be replaced with something better. That's what being an artist is about. Not releasing an album that's better than the last, but releasing one that reflects your creative, artistic vision at the time.

I'm crazy about most of them.

As for mozfonky hey that's you. Let's move on shall we? Agree to disagree? Good? Good.

mozfonky said:

Timmy84 said:

That's why I said what I said and with that can we move on? Prince got his own home in this forum too of course. This is Michael's lol

wasn't meant to turn it into anything though, I stated that P the musician influenced Michael the writer and I stand by that, I have good enough ears to know it.

LoL

that's your opinion , and your opinion only dude

mozfonky said:

Timmy84 said:

That's why I said what I said and with that can we move on? Prince got his own home in this forum too of course. This is Michael's lol

wasn't meant to turn it into anything though, I stated that P the musician influenced Michael the writer and I stand by that, I have good enough ears to know it.

MyLuv229 said:

mozfonky said:

But point blank answer me, better than the two preceeding albums??

In my opinion, I wouldn't say it's better than Off the Wall. By the way, apart from Billie Jean, Lady in my Life, PYT, and Human Nature - I'm not too crazy about Thriller. If I'm in the mood to listen to Michael, honestly, the Thriller songs are the last ones I go to. All his albums have great, distinct characters about them and some things that can be replaced with something better. That's what being an artist is about. Not releasing an album that's better than the last, but releasing one that reflects your creative, artistic vision at the time.

Timmy84 said:

suga10 said:

This photo looks like it was after 2005 and before Michael's death, cause his face looks the same as This Is It. Seems like it was from Neverland.

I found it from flickr

[img:$uid]http://michaeljacksonhoaxforum.com/phpbb2/download/file.php?id=9667[/img:$uid]

That's a 2002 or early 2003 photo. Because that look Michael had he didn't have it after mid-2003.

I read that it was taken in early 2009. I knows Michael lived there only there until 2005, but we don't whether he went back there a few times before his death- remember that there a lot of stuff going on between Colony Capital and Neverland and probably Michael made some visits every now and then for business related dealings and to check up on that property.

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suga10 said:

Timmy84 said:

That's a 2002 or early 2003 photo. Because that look Michael had he didn't have it after mid-2003.

I read that it was taken in 2009. I knows Michael lived there only there until 2005, but we don't whether he went back there a few times before his death- remember that there a lot of stuff going on between Colony Capital and Neverland and probably Michael made some visits every now and then for business related dealings.

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I don't think so because they took all those things from Neverland off the house. It's another photo for speculation and besides by the time he died, Michael's hair didn't look like this, his weight dropped a bit and he was actually smiling in his final photos so no lol

Timmy84 said:

suga10 said:

I read that it was taken in 2009. I knows Michael lived there only there until 2005, but we don't whether he went back there a few times before his death- remember that there a lot of stuff going on between Colony Capital and Neverland and probably Michael made some visits every now and then for business related dealings.

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I don't think so because they took all those things from Neverland off the house. It's another photo for speculation and besides by the time he died, Michael's hair didn't look like this, his weight dropped a bit and he was actually smiling in his final photos so no lol

I know what you're trying to say but he did wear wigs over the curly hair you know. This was from three weeks before he died.

[img:$uid]http://blindie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/michael-jackson1.jpg[/img:$uid]

^ Exactly.

Suga, you can believe in that if you want, but me being a fan I can tell what era that photo was taken and it definitely wasn't 2009. He didn't look like that in 2005. He was all smiles lol The 2001-2002 MJ is more likely or judging from the hair do and shirt, 2003-esque. So yeah let's move on. Shit. lol

suga10 said:

Timmy84 said:

That's a 2002 or early 2003 photo. Because that look Michael had he didn't have it after mid-2003.

I read that it was taken in early 2009. I knows Michael lived there only there until 2005, but we don't whether he went back there a few times before his death- remember that there a lot of stuff going on between Colony Capital and Neverland and probably Michael made some

visits every now and then for business related dealings and to check up on that property.

Not sure if I'm right on this, but didn't Michael himself say in 2004 that Neverland is no longer his home, that it's just a house now? He wasn't living there then. In 2005 (according to someone who worked there), everything was removed from Neverland and placed in storage.

I wonder if he ever did want to visit. There are people who are able to trespass into the property and say the place still looks very blissful, but very empty of the life that use to be there.

suga10 said:

Timmy84 said:

That's a 2002 or early 2003 photo. Because that look Michael had he didn't have it after mid-2003.

I read that it was taken in early 2009. I knows Michael lived there only there until 2005, but we don't whether he went back there a few times before his death- remember that there a lot of stuff going on between Colony Capital and Neverland and probably Michael made some visits every now and then for business related dealings and to check up on that property.

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Most def NOT 2009. EARLY 2004 at its latest.

He looks the same as he did with the Bashir interview which was...2003?

If I remember correctly, MJ went back to Neverland in 2005/2006 post trial,

because there was a Rolling Stone photo shoot done there. The pics were

on the cover of the issue that came out after he passed away. Here was

the cover of it:

He looked pretty sad and hurt in all the pictures, and the article

was very sad. At any rate, I can imagine his heart was literally

beyond broken at the end of the trial. I saw him in the court-room

back in 2005 several days in person, and to his credit, Michael would

always smile at his fans and look at them the longest between breaks.

In a lot of the photos towards the later days of Michael's trial he looked

weak, but in person, he looked and acted really strong. It's the difference

between IN person and IN photos. It makes me wonder about how Michael

TRULY looked in person in his final days, because photos don't tell the WHOLE

story...

Vanilli said:

If I remember correctly, MJ went back to Neverland in 2005/2006 post trial,

because there was a Rolling Stone photo shoot done there. The pics were

on the cover of the issue that came out after he passed away. Here was

the cover of it:

He looked pretty sad and hurt in all the pictures, and the article

was very sad. At any rate, I can imagine his heart was literally

beyond broken at the end of the trial. I saw him in the court-room

back in 2005 several days in person, and to his credit, Michael would

always smile at his fans and look at them the longest between breaks.

In a lot of the photos towards the later days of Michael's trial he looked

weak, but in person, he looked and acted really strong. It's the difference

between IN person and IN photos. It makes me wonder about how Michael

TRULY looked in person in his final days, because photos don't tell the WHOLE

story...

He probably did but you can clearly see the differences between the photo Suga posted and the ones that were on RS.

suga10 said:

Timmy84 said:

That's a 2002 or early 2003 photo. Because that look Michael had he didn't have it after mid-2003.

I read that it was taken in early 2009. I knows Michael lived there only there until 2005, but we don't whether he went back there a few times before his death- remember that there a lot of stuff going on between Colony Capital and Neverland and probably Michael made some visits every now and then for business related dealings and to check up on that property.

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don't know, the statue looks like one seen in the bashir docu and he looks as gaunt as ever to me.

Vanilli said:

If I remember correctly, MJ went back to Neverland in 2005/2006 post trial,

because there was a Rolling Stone photo shoot done there. The pics were

on the cover of the issue that came out after he passed away. Here was

the cover of it:

He looked pretty sad and hurt in all the pictures, and the article

was very sad. At any rate, I can imagine his heart was literally

beyond broken at the end of the trial. I saw him in the court-room

back in 2005 several days in person, and to his credit, Michael would

always smile at his fans and look at them the longest between breaks.

In a lot of the photos towards the later days of Michael's trial he looked

weak, but in person, he looked and acted really strong. It's the difference

between IN person and IN photos. It makes me wonder about how Michael

TRULY looked in person in his final days, because photos don't tell the WHOLE

story...

that was one of the most impressive of photos of Michael to me. I assumed that it was taken not long before his death but I don't know. The picture tells a whole history in his face and eyes. Hope and Ruin makes me think that Michaels thinking of how and where can he go from here and just like my first thoughts on Michaels death, america is unforgiving of black genius.