babybugz said:

carlcranshaw said:

Q has astounding musical knowledge that he learned from Ray Charles and Nadia Boulanger. But as a producer he is a "musical community organizer."

Q got more from MJ than MJ got from Q.

Thank You , so we can move on now.

you know that's never really gonna happen, right?

SoulAlive said:

Found this on another forum.It's a 32-DVD Michael Jackson set

I have seen this everywhere,and heard that most of the shows on the DVD's are not all that great (not real clear).

SoulAlive said:

Claire73 said:

Where can I buy this?? I WANT IT!!!

I have no idea where you can buy it,or what's on the discs.It's obviously a bootleg Mention it on an MJ site,I bet someone would have more info about it.

Disc 1- 7 * Michael Jackson The Ultimate Collection MTV

Disc 8 * 1972 Jackson 5 Paris France Concert

* 1975 Jackson 5 Mexico Concert

* 1979 Jackson 5 London UK Destiny Concert

* 1981 Jackson 5 Triumph Concert

* Jackson 5 Destiny Concert Feature

Disc 9 * 1987 Brisbane Australia BAD Concert

Disc 10 * 1987 Yokohama Japan Bad Concert

Disc 11 * 1988 USA BAD Concert

Disc 12 * 1992 Live In Bucharest Dangerous Tour

Disc 13 * 1993 Live In Isreal Dangerous Tour

* 1993 Live In Tokyo Dangerous Tour

* Michael Jackson Live Dangerous Tour Feature

Disc 14 * 1996 Live In Australia History Tour

Disc 15 * 1996 Live In Manila Phillipine History Tour

Disc 16/17 * 1996 Live In Soeul Korea History Tour

Disc 18 * 1996 Live In Romania History Tour

Disc 19 * 1997Live In New Zealand History Tour

Disc 20 * 1997 Live In Finland History Tour

Disc 21 * 1997 Live In Sweden History Tour

Disc 22 * 1997 Live In Copenhagen History Tour

Disc 23 * 1998 Live In Kuala Lumpur History Tour

Disc 24 * 1999 Live In Taipei History Tour

* 1999 Live In Korea Almsdeed Tour

Disc 25 * 1997 LIve In Munich History Tour

Disc 26 * The One Chinese Subtitle

* The 30th Anniversary Vocal Concert

Disc 27 * Bad Tour unleashed Volume

Disc 28 * Tour 1988

Disc 29 * The Feature of Stranger

* Captain EO

Disc 30 * Michael Jacson MJ Rise and Decline

* The Giant Star of Michael Jackson Comes Down

Disc 31 * The King of POP Up Close and Personal

Disc 32 * Moon Walker

Disc 33 * 1979 - 2000 The First Recorded 97 Songs

[Edited 9/10/10 17:14pm]

ali23 said:

Just found this!

I WANT THE FOOTAGE TO THIS!! Dangerous is my fav performance!

^ Just read the above video didn't really happen.... damn

Michael backstage at the Victory Tour

scorp84 said:

babybugz said:

Thank You , so we can move on now.

you know that's never really gonna happen, right?

It would be if we think of something else to post.

Timmy84 said:

scorp84 said:

you know that's never really gonna happen, right?

It would be if we think of something else to post.

the 40th anniversary of the Off the Wall album is 9 years away...

30th anniversary of the thriller album...2 years...

Bad album 25th anniversary....2years....

oh yes, this topic will continue to resurrect itself for years to come lol

scorp84 said:

Timmy84 said:

It would be if we think of something else to post.

the 40th anniversary of the Off the Wall album is 9 years away...

30th anniversary of the thriller album...2 years...

Bad album 25th anniversary....2years....

oh yes, this topic will continue to resurrect itself for years to come lol

Yep.

scorp84 said:

babybugz said:

Thank You , so we can move on now.

you know that's never really gonna happen, right?

It was worth a shot.

babybugz said:

scorp84 said:

you know that's never really gonna happen, right?

It was worth a shot.

Still is.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

It was worth a shot.

Still is.

SoulAlive said:

Found this on another forum.It's a 32-DVD Michael Jackson set

Bootleg!

Yeah alot of those concerts came from MJJC and MJHideout

EmeraldSkies said:

SoulAlive said:

I have no idea where you can buy it,or what's on the discs.It's obviously a bootleg Mention it on an MJ site,I bet someone would have more info about it.

Disc 1- 7 * Michael Jackson The Ultimate Collection MTV

Disc 8 * 1972 Jackson 5 Paris France Concert

* 1975 Jackson 5 Mexico Concert

* 1979 Jackson 5 London UK Destiny Concert

* 1981 Jackson 5 Triumph Concert

* Jackson 5 Destiny Concert Feature

Disc 9 * 1987 Brisbane Australia BAD Concert

Disc 10 * 1987 Yokohama Japan Bad Concert

Disc 11 * 1988 USA BAD Concert

Disc 12 * 1992 Live In Bucharest Dangerous Tour

Disc 13 * 1993 Live In Isreal Dangerous Tour

* 1993 Live In Tokyo Dangerous Tour

* Michael Jackson Live Dangerous Tour Feature

Disc 14 * 1996 Live In Australia History Tour

Disc 15 * 1996 Live In Manila Phillipine History Tour

Disc 16/17 * 1996 Live In Soeul Korea History Tour

Disc 18 * 1996 Live In Romania History Tour

Disc 19 * 1997Live In New Zealand History Tour

Disc 20 * 1997 Live In Finland History Tour

Disc 21 * 1997 Live In Sweden History Tour

Disc 22 * 1997 Live In Copenhagen History Tour

Disc 23 * 1998 Live In Kuala Lumpur History Tour

Disc 24 * 1999 Live In Taipei History Tour

* 1999 Live In Korea Almsdeed Tour

Disc 25 * 1997 LIve In Munich History Tour

Disc 26 * The One Chinese Subtitle

* The 30th Anniversary Vocal Concert

Disc 27 * Bad Tour unleashed Volume

Disc 28 * Tour 1988

Disc 29 * The Feature of Stranger

* Captain EO

Disc 30 * Michael Jacson MJ Rise and Decline

* The Giant Star of Michael Jackson Comes Down

Disc 31 * The King of POP Up Close and Personal

Disc 32 * Moon Walker

Disc 33 * 1979 - 2000 The First Recorded 97 Songs

[Edited 9/10/10 17:14pm]

alot of those shows were recently surfaced in WAY better quality than the quality on that set

the 1981 Triumph concert in LA

the 1984 Victory Tour concerts in Kansas City and Dallas

1987 Bad Tour opening night in Tokyo

1987 Bad Tour show third night in Tokyo

1987 Bad Tour show in Yokohama

1996 HIStory Tour in Australia (Sydney)

1996 HIStory Tour Live in New Zealand

1997 HIStory Tour in Munich

are all in better quality. the 1997 Munch show was recently aired in Germany and Japan in HD

mozfonky said:

Prince did things the right way maybe, be an asshole, take all the credit and leave the losers whining about it. Mike was too kind, too gracious.

Well, he was, but how many people are going to give MJ credit for anything? Yesterday I was trying to do some research and how many articles/comments, from supposed professionals, did I come across that expressed the same opinions? That MJ is nothing more than a 'song and dance man.' How many comments have I come across that cite Quincy Jones as the writer for Billie Jean, Beat It, and etc, when all someone has to do is just go to wikipedia for like, 2 seconds and just check the album credits. But they don't because they cba to do so.

The only way MJ is going to get any type of credit was if he walked out on a stage with a guitar in hand or sat down at a piano. Even then would they really, because in their eyes, he only did pop music and (dance) pop music = not real music in their eyes even though it's all pop music in the end.

Just yesterday I came across some book that was being used as a textbook on the history on rock n' roll and it gave MJ about a page and a half, mostly talking about Thriller, the video, and then it had the nerve to say this about the album and him:

There [The Wiz] he met Quincy Jones who was instrumental in shaping his career.

"...The Girl Is Mine...and Billie Jean...Both songs and Quincy Jones's masterful settings give the album an expressive range that compensate for the one dimensional quality of Jackson's singing."

http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

But this is what I mean. He rarely gets credit musically, I feel, but for being nothing more than a song and dance man. Not even once did the author even mention how Thriller or MJ revolutionized the music industry with the album. How he broke down color divides in radio with the song Beat It or what he achieved with Off The Wall. NOTHING. When the author talked about Madonna he never once mentioned anything about her various producers, songwriters, and others who helped her, greatly, along the way. Nothing. Why? While it could be Michael's fault for letting Quincy get into the limelight with him, I'm more willing to bet it's because very few people want to acknowledge him as a musician in any which way shape or form. Or better yet, they respect & trust Quincy Jones more as a musician because he's involved w/jazz which is considered to be far superior music by many.

They don't even do the simple research to try and be accurate, because they don't give 2 shits of a damn about the music, because they feel it's beneath them. (I'm going to guess, due,in part, to Jackson's commercialism which in, their opinion, goes against the real nature of music, its accessibility, or whatever bias they may have against it in general.) Will that perception change now though since more people, and scholars, are taking the time to look back at his life and make real note of his accomplishments seeing what has happened after he passed? I don't know I can't predict the future, but for the forseeable future? No. I don't think he'll get that kind of recognition yet. Stuff like that takes real time to be able to settle in with the public. It will probably happen when we are all close to dying, if at all.

It's just a little frustrating, because I read the stories from the musicians, I hear/watch MJ talk about his music, I can recognize MJ's familiar writing style in many of his works. In the end, many really don't care who wrote the song, but if you are going to be bothered as much to talk about, at least be factually correct.

Unholyalliance said:

mozfonky said:

Prince did things the right way maybe, be an asshole, take all the credit and leave the losers whining about it. Mike was too kind, too gracious.

Well, he was, but how many people are going to give MJ credit for anything? Yesterday I was trying to do some research and how many articles/comments, from supposed professionals, did I come across that expressed the same opinions? That MJ is nothing more than a 'song and dance man.' How many comments have I come across that cite Quincy Jones as the writer for Billie Jean, Beat It, and etc, when all someone has to do is just go to wikipedia for like, 2 seconds and just check the album credits. But they don't because they cba to do so.

The only way MJ is going to get any type of credit was if he walked out on a stage with a guitar in hand or sat down at a piano. Even then would they really, because in their eyes, he only did pop music and (dance) pop music = not real music in their eyes even though it's all pop music in the end.

Just yesterday I came across some book that was being used as a textbook on the history on rock n' roll and it gave MJ about a page and a half, mostly talking about Thriller, the video, and then it had the nerve to say this about the album and him:

"...The Girl Is Mine...and Billie Jean...Both songs and Quincy Jones's masterful settings give the album an expressive range that compensate for the one dimensional quality of Jackson's singing."

http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

But this is what I mean. He rarely gets credit musically, I feel, but for being nothing more than a song and dance man. Not even once did the author even mention how Thriller or MJ revolutionized the music industry with the album. How he broke down color divides in radio with the song Beat It or what he achieved with Off The Wall. NOTHING. When the author talked about Madonna he never once mentioned anything about her various producers, songwriters, and others who helped her, greatly, along the way. Nothing. Why? While it could be Michael's fault for letting Quincy get into the limelight with him, I'm more willing to bet it's because very few people want to acknowledge him as a musician in any which way shape or form. Or better yet, they respect & trust Quincy Jones more as a musician because he's involved w/jazz which is considered to be far superior music by many.

They don't even do the simple research to try and be accurate, because they don't give 2 shits of a damn about the music, because they feel it's beneath them. (I'm going to guess, due,in part, to Jackson's commercialism which in, their opinion, goes against the real nature of music, its accessibility, or whatever bias they may have against it in general.) Will that perception change now though since more people, and scholars, are taking the time to look back at his life and make real note of his accomplishments seeing what has happened after he passed? I don't know I can't predict the future, but for the forseeable future? No. I don't think he'll get that kind of recognition yet. Stuff like that takes real time to be able to settle in with the public. It will probably happen when we are all close to dying, if at all.

It's just a little frustrating, because I read the stories from the musicians, I hear/watch MJ talk about his music, I can recognize MJ's familiar writing style in many of his works. In the end, many really don't care who wrote the song, but if you are going to be bothered as much to talk about, at least be factually correct.

I think Elvis and Michael are in death more alike than they ever were in life. Opinion is still split on exactly what made Elvis so big, I can see the same thing with Michael. Then again, opinions are divided on any great public figure in some way, some people deny that Duke Ellington was no more than a con man and give him little musical credit. The thing about music is that it's a huge spectrum of talents and abilities. Some can do a little of a lot of things and some are only exceptional at one thing or a couple. Michael was a first rate pop songwriter from his teens really, exceptionally gifted as a writer and arranger. Elvis and Mike will go through history with several schools of thought, one saying they were musical genius' and the other saying they were puppets. No man is an Island though anyway, I corresponded with a former Prince employee who said that Prince stole everything from the musicians around him and was "ghetto" and disliked by everyone. Mike was loved by at least 90% of the people he worked with maybe if he were more of an asshole he'd have more artistic merit but it is what it is.

Unholyalliance said:

mozfonky said:

Prince did things the right way maybe, be an asshole, take all the credit and leave the losers whining about it. Mike was too kind, too gracious.

Well, he was, but how many people are going to give MJ credit for anything? Yesterday I was trying to do some research and how many articles/comments, from supposed professionals, did I come across that expressed the same opinions? That MJ is nothing more than a 'song and dance man.' How many comments have I come across that cite Quincy Jones as the writer for Billie Jean, Beat It, and etc, when all someone has to do is just go to wikipedia for like, 2 seconds and just check the album credits. But they don't because they cba to do so.

The only way MJ is going to get any type of credit was if he walked out on a stage with a guitar in hand or sat down at a piano. Even then would they really, because in their eyes, he only did pop music and (dance) pop music = not real music in their eyes even though it's all pop music in the end.

Just yesterday I came across some book that was being used as a textbook on the history on rock n' roll and it gave MJ about a page and a half, mostly talking about Thriller, the video, and then it had the nerve to say this about the album and him:

"...The Girl Is Mine...and Billie Jean...Both songs and Quincy Jones's masterful settings give the album an expressive range that compensate for the one dimensional quality of Jackson's singing."

http://books.google.com/b...mp;f=false

But this is what I mean. He rarely gets credit musically, I feel, but for being nothing more than a song and dance man. Not even once did the author even mention how Thriller or MJ revolutionized the music industry with the album. How he broke down color divides in radio with the song Beat It or what he achieved with Off The Wall. NOTHING. When the author talked about Madonna he never once mentioned anything about her various producers, songwriters, and others who helped her, greatly, along the way. Nothing. Why? While it could be Michael's fault for letting Quincy get into the limelight with him, I'm more willing to bet it's because very few people want to acknowledge him as a musician in any which way shape or form. Or better yet, they respect & trust Quincy Jones more as a musician because he's involved w/jazz which is considered to be far superior music by many.

They don't even do the simple research to try and be accurate, because they don't give 2 shits of a damn about the music, because they feel it's beneath them. (I'm going to guess, due,in part, to Jackson's commercialism which in, their opinion, goes against the real nature of music, its accessibility, or whatever bias they may have against it in general.) Will that perception change now though since more people, and scholars, are taking the time to look back at his life and make real note of his accomplishments seeing what has happened after he passed? I don't know I can't predict the future, but for the forseeable future? No. I don't think he'll get that kind of recognition yet. Stuff like that takes real time to be able to settle in with the public. It will probably happen when we are all close to dying, if at all.

It's just a little frustrating, because I read the stories from the musicians, I hear/watch MJ talk about his music, I can recognize MJ's familiar writing style in many of his works. In the end, many really don't care who wrote the song, but if you are going to be bothered as much to talk about, at least be factually correct.

Couldn´t say it better myself.

Does anyone know the original track list to the Thriller album?

I remember the Thriller documentary mentioning that they recorded 9 records, but Quincy felt 4 of them wasn't strong enough. 4 of the records were replaced with Human Nature, PYT and Lady In My Life

I know Human Nature replaced Carousel and PYT replaced the original version written by MJ and Greg, but what song(s) did Lady In My Life replace? It had to replace 2 songs if 4 of the originals were taken off, but when you think about it, LIML had to be edited down also (removing second verse).

mimi07 said:

"one of the best guitar players in the industry today".... wow, she sure gave him a lot of credit considering he's not really active in today's industry.

mimi07 said:

Watch this one get canceled like the one in Austria

mimi07 said:

Did Tito even play that solo? Or was it a session musician? Can someone check the liner notes?

[Edited 9/11/10 10:17am]

mimi07 said:

While I'm sure the show will be great (if it happens at all), something about this

gets under my skin a little bit. I feel like Jermaine and his brothers really like

giving The Jackson 5 a bit too much credit and like to downplay Michael's solo

success. With Off The Wall and beyond, Michael really took what they are calling

"The Jackson Family sound" to new heights. And when in reality, Janet was probably

the person who had a distinct sound second to Michael. Not that I want The Jackson

brothers to live under a rock, but truth be told, they are all living well off Michael's

mom' share of the Estate now, so I wish the least they would do is not try to

take Michael's legacy, and spread it around, like they were all responsible. Thriller

wasn't a "Jackson family album" and nor was "Billie Jean" a "Jackson family song" -

yet trust me, at this silly show (if it happens at all) Jermaine will be doing lead on

all those songs too "to honor Michael."

I'll pass.

[Edited 9/11/10 10:27am]

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Vanilli said:

mimi07 said:

While I'm sure the show will be great (if it happens at all), something about this

gets under my skin a little bit. I feel like Jermaine and his brothers really like

giving The Jackson 5 a bit too much credit and like to downplay Michael's solo

success. With Off The Wall and beyond, Michael really took what they are calling

"The Jackson Family sound" to new heights. And when in reality, Janet was probably

the person who had a distinct sound second to Michael. Not that I want The Jackson

brothers to live under a rock, but truth be told, they are all living well off Michael's

mom' share of the Estate now, so I wish the least they would do is not try to

take Michael's legacy, and spread it around, like they were all responsible. Thriller

wasn't a "Jackson family album" and nor was "Billie Jean" a "Jackson family song" -

yet trust me, at this silly show (if it happens at all) Jermaine will be doing lead on

all those songs too "to honor Michael."

I'll pass.

[Edited 9/11/10 10:27am]

I agree up to a point, the whole family was talented and very disciplined thanks to joe. Some were good musicians and some were great, great songwriters who I'm sure helped michael a bit with his demos and ideas. I like a lot of the jackson's music. However, Michael was the star, he had the charisma to make everything click and he had it since he was a baby practically.

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mozfonky said:

Vanilli said:

While I'm sure the show will be great (if it happens at all), something about this

gets under my skin a little bit. I feel like Jermaine and his brothers really like

giving The Jackson 5 a bit too much credit and like to downplay Michael's solo

success. With Off The Wall and beyond, Michael really took what they are calling

"The Jackson Family sound" to new heights. And when in reality, Janet was probably

the person who had a distinct sound second to Michael. Not that I want The Jackson

brothers to live under a rock, but truth be told, they are all living well off Michael's

mom' share of the Estate now, so I wish the least they would do is not try to

take Michael's legacy, and spread it around, like they were all responsible. Thriller

wasn't a "Jackson family album" and nor was "Billie Jean" a "Jackson family song" -

yet trust me, at this silly show (if it happens at all) Jermaine will be doing lead on

all those songs too "to honor Michael."

I'll pass.

[Edited 9/11/10 10:27am]

I agree up to a point, the whole family was talented and very disciplined thanks to joe. Some were good musicians and some were great, great songwriters who I'm sure helped michael a bit with his demos and ideas. I like a lot of the jackson's music. However, Michael was the star, he had the charisma to make everything click and he had it since he was a baby practically.

I am sorry, but the way this video is done is only to promote Jermaine. You don´t even see the other brothers.

dag said:

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