BabyBeMine said:

Honestly if you really break it down. Confessions has better club songs and love songs which is important when making a album. Dangerous lacks love tracks like MJ's previous albums. Big mistake keeping the song Joy off that album that went to Backstreet. Invincible lacked quality up tempo songs but had great ballads. Not the the whole mixture.

Confessions had great fast and slow jams which makes it a better overall album

That what makes it a better album?

While Confessions is a good album, I don't believe it's a great album

The songwriting, the production, and the mixing doesn't equal the work on Dangerous

Did I have good club tracks? yeah some of Usher's best work is on Confessions (and Here I Stand which is underrated) but a better album than Dangerous? I still say no

bboy87 said:

BabyBeMine said:

Honestly if you really break it down. Confessions has better club songs and love songs which is important when making a album. Dangerous lacks love tracks like MJ's previous albums. Big mistake keeping the song Joy off that album that went to Backstreet. Invincible lacked quality up tempo songs but had great ballads. Not the the whole mixture.

Confessions had great fast and slow jams which makes it a better overall album

That what makes it a better album?

While Confessions is a good album, I don't believe it's a great album

The songwriting, the production, and the mixing doesn't equal the work on Dangerous

Did I have good club tracks? yeah some of Usher's best work is on Confessions (and Here I Stand which is underrated) but a better album than Dangerous? I still say no

Where are the dance tracks on Dangerous? Jam was a great video but not really a dance track outside the video and MJ's dancing. She drives me wild and Cant let her get away are songs where MJ is trying to incorporate hip hop beats to his music. What happened to being innovative? Why try and copy whats currently hot and even hire Teddy Riley.

And like i said it has no Love Jams. How can you be a all time classic without love jams. Thats a must. You have to have that 1 or 2 tracks thats a classic think about your lady or man.

BabyBeMine said:

bboy87 said:

That what makes it a better album?

While Confessions is a good album, I don't believe it's a great album

The songwriting, the production, and the mixing doesn't equal the work on Dangerous

Did I have good club tracks? yeah some of Usher's best work is on Confessions (and Here I Stand which is underrated) but a better album than Dangerous? I still say no

Where are the dance tracks on Dangerous? Jam was a great video but not really a dance track outside the video and MJ's dancing. She drives me wild and Cant let her get away are songs where MJ is trying to incorporate hip hop beats to his music. What happened to being innovative? Why try and copy whats currently hot and even hire Teddy Riley.

And like i said it has no Love Jams. How can you be a all time classic without love jams. Thats a must. You have to have that 1 or 2 tracks thats a classic think about your lady or man.

Dangerous maybe doesnt have love Jams but still shits on usher's entire records......

People still listen to dangerous till this day , confessions is fading with his already fading career.

"Dangerous" is a classic and damn-near flawless.

Confessions makes me yawn.

BabyBeMine said:

Honestly if you really break it down. Confessions has better club songs and love songs which is important when making a album. Dangerous lacks love tracks like MJ's previous albums. Big mistake keeping the song Joy off that album that went to Backstreet. Invincible lacked quality up tempo songs but had great ballads. Not the the whole mixture.

Confessions had great fast and slow jams which makes it a better overall album

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Anyone knows why he didn´t do RTT on any of the tours since they rehearsed it? It would have been so cool.

BTW, bboy where did you get the full rehearsal?

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'Can You Feel It' by Witaz. What makes this special is it is a reconstruction of the video version entitled 'The Triumph'. Something i've always craved as a fan. In honour of it's 30th anniversary.

http://soundcloud.com/wit...soundcloud

You can also find this with the spoken intro. Witaz version of 'Thriller' is pretty awesome too, intergrating spoken parts from the video.

I LOVE THIS!!! Enjoy.

dag said:

Anyone knows why he didn´t do RTT on any of the tours since they rehearsed it? It would have been so cool.

BTW, bboy where did you get the full rehearsal?

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It would have been cool to include it, but I think the performance would have took a lot of time to setup and prepare for during shows. Plus, I don't think the song fit the tour...as crazy as it sounds.

He also rehearsed "Rock With You" which also didn't make the final set list

Don't even want to get into a debate about Michael , Usher and Justin , I love all three others don't that's fine we know who the king is . Leave it at that.

Does anyone know/remember the connection between MJ and Lindsay Lohan's song

"Rumors?" I thought I remember some fans saying he was somehow involved with

that track. Maybe in itself was a fan "rumor" - no pun intended - but I'd love

someone to clear this up. Thanks in advance.

Vanilli said:

Does anyone know/remember the connection between MJ and Lindsay Lohan's song

"Rumors?" I thought I remember some fans saying he was somehow involved with

that track. Maybe in itself was a fan "rumor" - no pun intended - but I'd love

someone to clear this up. Thanks in advance.

It was similar to the song Privacy and Taryll and TJ wrote the song for her.

throwback

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I remember when I first heard Rumors, I didn't want to like it cause it was a Disney artist and I detest those, but I DRAWN to it, and I mean JACKSON drawn. Then I saw the credits for the song online and went "no wonder!" good tune!

hot pics of mj and latoya!

So inspired and influenced By MJ.....MJ would love this song

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mimi07 said:

throwback

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why post pics of Toiletoya on here?

I posted a pic of latoya here because she is part of the family, the mod said this thread is for MJ and everything relating to him which is why the family thread was locked.

mozfonky said:

mimi07 said:

he was never big, average at most.

that's as fat as I've ever seen him. the whole family had a tendency to get thick in the middle, probably a result of being part Indian (my people) we all have that build. But i have to say, so far he llooks much better than the show at MSG.

To me, he was at his thickest during the "History" era. He appeared to be working out.

mimi07 said:

I posted a pic of latoya here because she is part of the family, the mod said this thread is for MJ and everything relating to him which is why the family thread was locked.

The family thread was closed ?

seeingvoices12 said:

mimi07 said:

I posted a pic of latoya here because she is part of the family, the mod said this thread is for MJ and everything relating to him which is why the family thread was locked.

The family thread was closed ?

Been for a while , too much drama I think.

babybugz said:

seeingvoices12 said:

The family thread was closed ?

Been for a while , too much drama I think.

no it was because of flood control

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The Cold Case talks to Mick Garris about 1997’s Ghosts, the all-but-forgotten 38-minute film he created with Michael Jackson, the late Stan Winston and horror legend Stephen King.
First things first: How did you come to be a zombie in Thriller?
John Landis had already been a friend for several years. We actually met when I was a receptionist for the original Star Wars at an off-lot office at Universal. John’s office was next door to mine when he was prepping Animal House. And Rick and his wife at the time, Elaine, had been very close friends and neighbors to me and Cynthia. So when they invited us, we came running. I was a hopeful writer then, doing publicity for studios and the like, just starting to get screenwriting jobs.

Was there the sense that you were seeing pop-culture history being made?
We knew we were doing something special, but had no idea just how special. We knew it was a much bigger scale than music videos at the time had been, and so much different than the usual 1980s performance things. But watching Michael come alive on that first night I was there was electrifying. I became a fan right there.

Did you become friends with Michael Jackson then?
We did not become friends at that point. Later on, when I was shooting The Stand, Stephen King and Michael put together a script for another scary music video — one with huge scale, even compared to Thriller. King recommended me for it, and that’s where I really met Michael on a one-to-one basis. We became friends through that experience.

What did you think Michael wanted to achieve with Ghosts?
Michael wanted to make the biggest, scariest music film ever. Well, I don’t know that that’s what happened; you can’t really be scary in this context, but it’s huge, the music and dancing are great, and it’s quite the spectacle. And it definitely got its point across. That theme of the outcast stranger that he and King created was important, and stayed the focus through various incarnations.

How did you get involved, and how did the collaboration between you, Michael, Stan Winston and Stephen King work?
I was actually the original director. It was begun in 1993, and I worked with him throughout pre-production and two weeks of production. It shut down for three years before resuming under Stan Winston, who was doing the effects work when I was directing. I recommended him to finish shooting when it resumed, as I was about to shoot The Shining. So yeah, I was on set a lot. But I was not there when the production continued in 1996. I’d get midnight calls from Michael, who was so passionate about finishing it, making it special. He and Stan had become friends way back when they did The Wiz together.

In the beginning, he and Steve did the script together, and I wasn’t really privy to what went on then. It was when it was greenlit that Michael and I and Stan would get together for hours on end, planning the complicated effects as well as the music and storytelling. But it started as something completely different. Nobody knows this, but it was originally going to be a video to promote Addams Family Values. In fact, Christina Ricci and the boy who played Pugsley were both in it. We shot for two weeks and never got to the musical numbers. It was very expensive and ambitious. And when the first so-called scandal happened, it was when we were shooting. Suddenly, Michael was out of the country, and the studio no longer wanted him to help promote that film.

What does it mean to you now that Stan and Michael are both gone?
It’s incredibly sad, of course, and really tragic. Stan was a very talented and funny and friendly man. But I was closer to Michael, spent more time with him. It really breaks my heart to see what happened to him. He was always very fragile, had lots of trouble sleeping. He reminded me a lot of Don McLean’s song about Vincent Van Gogh. The world can be mean, and Michael didn’t have a mean bone in him. Very vulnerable and sweet. And what most people don’t realize is how smart he was and especially how funny he could be. A very witty, explosively talented guy.
Did Michael hope Ghosts would break out as big as Thriller?
Michael always seemed to hope to make something that would be huge. He thought big, because his whole life seemed to be surrounded by magnitude. I don’t know what his hopes were in terms of comparing it with Thriller, but I know he thought it would be very special.

Ghosts and Thriller see him as a charismatic, playful “monster”. Do you think he kept having fun with that reputation, even when the media turned on him?
He was very playful with that image, though as the press got meaner, he was definitely hurt by it, and pulled back and became more reclusive. But though we were friends, it wasn’t like I saw him all the time. A couple years could go by without seeing or speaking with one another, but when we did, we always had a good time.

Where were you when you heard he’d died? What did you immediately think and feel?
I was driving in my car when I heard on the radio that he’d been found unconscious and had been rushed to the hospital. I was stunned, of course, like everyone. Then, about an hour or so later, when I heard it rumored that he had died, I just couldn’t believe it. It took a couple of days for it to sink in. Maybe it was inevitable, I don’t know. I just know that he was fragile, sensitive, and an incredibly sweet and generous guy. It broke my heart, just like it broke the world’s. And I really felt for his kids, who are terrific and unspoiled in a way you wouldn’t imagine. At least, they were when I last saw them a couple of years ago.
Did you see the loneliness and sadness claimed to have been his constant companion?
One of my earliest meetings with him was in New York, where he had a penthouse apartment in the Trump Towers. He was so very lonely. He’d take me to the window and point down at Fifth Avenue below and tell me he’d give anything to be able to just walk down there and go into the shops, but he couldn’t. I went out to visit him in Orlando, and was surprised to find that I was the only one, other than staff, that was around with him. There was nobody but us for a couple of days. I don’t think he had a lot of close friends, people who didn’t want something from him.

Your enduring memory of him will be…?
Making him laugh. When Michael laughed, when you got to him for more than just that giggle behind the hand, it was a sight to see. He just loved to laugh, and it was fun to tease him gently. Maybe one of my favorite memories was on the set of Ghosts; we’d finish a take, and if I wanted another, I’d put on Bullwinkle’s voice and say, “This time for sure!” The first time, he just laughed and laughed and laughed. Then he’d keep asking, even after the good takes: “Mick, do Bullwinkle!” That’s how I like to remember him.

Will Ghosts get a DVD release now?
I hope so. It was hugely expensive, and never released in the United States. He paid for it out of his own pocket, too. So I don’t know who owns it. But I think people would love it. It changed a lot from the time that I worked on it to the time it was finished, but it’s quite an accomplishment. I’d love to see it available. The only copy of it I have was one I came across in a music store in Hong Kong, on the old VCD format. It deserves better.

mimi07 said:

babybugz said:

Been for a while , too much drama I think.

no it was because of flood control

Hmmm ...

The next "King of Pop" title or the next Michael Jackson title has been awarded to so many artists in the press it is laughable - with most having peaks of chart success then fading.

To be fair though, in 83 when MJ was killing it with Thriller the press were dubbing him the new james brown - so it's nothing new.

Of the artists who have been compared (read influenced) by Michael, Usher, Justin Timberlake and potentially Neo have the talent and skills to have long term success (Usher and JT already have it). Will they be as big as Michael - no. But they will be the artists who from the list will prove themselves most worthy of being considered an heir.

The truth is - there will be no other Michael.

Hopefully instead, new artists will draw inspiration from him and just become their own performer.

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I didn't realize 3T decided to venture into making B-movies.

Hey....whatever floats their boat....

I guess.

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