scriptgirl said:

Yeah, whenever people say that marriages don't last that start when a married person cats around, I always point out Paul and Joanne. Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson are another example, as are Johnny Cash and June Carter. So are Lady Antonia Fraser and the playwright Harold Pinter. And Lauren Bacall and Humphrey Bogart. It does happen.

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The people that you described are celebrities, so they don't count. Celebs live in a different world than regular folks. Just because a couple stays together for a long time doesn't mean that the relationship is healthy. Whitney and Bobby are a perfect example. Once again, Alicia is acting like an asshole because she's a celeb, which means she can do whatever she wants and people will let her get away with it. She's also desperately trying to hide her bisexual/homosexual tendencies. Swizz is happy that someone is paying his bills and he's hoping to become famous by association. I wouldn't be surprised if the marriage lasted a long time because both of these superficial fools cater to each others superficial needs, NOT because they love each other.

Do you know for a FACT what Alicia's sexuality is? People are people, period. The fact that the couples I mentioned managed to make it till death do them part-at least in the case of Bogie&Bacall, Joanne&Paul and Johnny&June, gets my respect. Marriage is not easy.

Cinnie said:

He's got the "swizzle stick"

what what

Swiiiiii-zle

scriptgirl said:

Do you know for a FACT what Alicia's sexuality is? People are people, period. The fact that the couples I mentioned managed to make it till death do them part-at least in the case of Bogie&Bacall, Joanne&Paul and Johnny&June, gets my respect. Marriage is not easy.

Calm down, it's not that serious. You give celebs too much credit.

I'm sure that no one remembers this, but when Alicia first came on the scene, she was extremely butch, so it wasn't that hard to tell she wasn't straight. I just thought she was very tomboyish at first. I missed it because I'm oblivious and I don't posess the gift of gaydar. After consulting with people that do have gaydar, I realize that it's been smack in my face the whole time. Clive Davis made Alicia get a makeover so she could crossover to the mainstream. The problem is that Alicia can't pull off being feminine naturally, so her true colors will eventually start to show. Clive did the same thing with Whitney Houston and look how that turned out. Whit is ghetto as hell. Hood stays hood.

You also need to realize that many celebs hook up with other celebs for business reasons, not love. Tyra Banks said so herself. The public isn't as stupid as Hollywood wants us to be. There are people out there that can tell when someone is being fake, and Hollywood is one of the fakest environments in the world. Many people don't believe this relationship is real because Alicia and Swizz are trying way too hard to prove their love is real. Then again, you're probably just another one of Alicia's PR people, so that's why you're determined to prove us wrong. Well, nobody believes you, so let it go. I'm not the only one that thinks this is a load of crap, so you're not fooling anybody.

jeami said:

scriptgirl said:

Do you know for a FACT what Alicia's sexuality is? People are people, period. The fact that the couples I mentioned managed to make it till death do them part-at least in the case of Bogie&Bacall, Joanne&Paul and Johnny&June, gets my respect. Marriage is not easy.

Calm down, it's not that serious. You give celebs too much credit.

I'm sure that no one remembers this, but when Alicia first came on the scene, she was extremely butch, so it wasn't that hard to tell she wasn't straight. I just thought she was very tomboyish at first. I missed it because I'm oblivious and I don't posess the gift of gaydar. After consulting with people that do have gaydar, I realize that it's been smack in my face the whole time. Clive Davis made Alicia get a makeover so she could crossover to the mainstream. The problem is that Alicia can't pull off being feminine naturally, so her true colors will eventually start to show. Clive did the same thing with Whitney Houston and look how that turned out. Whit is ghetto as hell. Hood stays hood.

What exactly was "extremely butch" about Alicia Keys, the fact that she wore pants?

"Consulting with people that have gaydar"???

What, did you meet in a board room with a slideshow presentation???

EXCUSE ME? I am NOT one of Alicia's anything, let alone in her PR camp. I don't like her in the least. Your argument re her sexuality is weak, to say the least. You "consulted" with people who have "gaydar"? And how do you know that Clive "made Alicia get a makeover?" Did he call you personally or did you see some sort of contract? Is that like consulting Miss Cleo? You are the one that seems determined to prove something, not me.

And yes, I know that celebs hook up with other celebs for image-I do live in LA-but that was not the case with the couples I mentioned.

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[Edited 9/7/10 13:07pm]

Love can make people do some ignorant and wrong shit. I have no respect for either Alicia or Swizz Cheats just like I have no respect for LeAnn Rimes who I think is worse than Alicia (imagine that) for her actions or Tori Spelling. If the guy cheats on his wife, it's bad enough, but if there are children involved, than that's completely unacceptable to me. If the dude wants to cheat on his wife and screw her than he's the real asshole in the situation, but with kids in the equation, the cheating husband and the mistress are both equally assholes to me except in this scenario where the triflin' mistress has the audacity to ask her lover's kids to refer to her as 'mommy'. Seems Alicia is the bigger of the assholes now and really does deserve a severe ass-whooping for this shit. The fact that she knew he was married with young children and still persued him makes her equivalent to a walking pile of dog poo in my eyes. She could have shot down his advances and been a real woman, but triflin' bitches are very seldom real women.

estelle81 said:

Love can make people do some ignorant and wrong shit. I have no respect for either Alicia or Swizz Cheats just like I have no respect for LeAnn Rimes who I think is worse than Alicia (imagine that) for her actions or Tori Spelling. If the guy cheats on his wife, it's bad enough, but if there are children involved, than that's completely unacceptable to me. If the dude wants to cheat on his wife and screw her than he's the real asshole in the situation, but with kids in the equation, the cheating husband and the mistress are both equally assholes to me except in this scenario where the triflin' mistress has the audacity to ask her lover's kids to refer to her as 'mommy'. Seems Alicia is the bigger of the assholes now and really does deserve a severe ass-whooping for this shit. The fact that she knew he was married with young children and still persued him makes her equivalent to a walking pile of dog poo in my eyes. She could have shot down his advances and been a real woman, but triflin' bitches are very seldom real women.

I'm not defending what went down, but how can we be sure that Mashonda's telling the truth?

She's on as many radio shows, blogs, and doing magazine articles she can go on.

She clearly has an agenda. She's clearly trying to get publicity.

She could've done like Sandra Bullock or Elin Woods and dealt with their husb

They dealt with their husband's infidelity quietly and with dignity.

Where's the dignity in running to every media outlet you can go to?

She's already the sympathetic figure. Alicia and Swizz are the bad guys.

What the hell else does she hope to attain by telling all her business to everyone with a microphone, tape recorder, or notepad?

After going over this story, I'm gonna make a decision to not judge any of them. But it's funny how love can lead you to the blind. I just wish for the best of all of them: Mashonda, Swizz, Alicia, the kids.

Alicia has nothing on LEANN Rimes and I agree about Mashonda. She is playing the victim-and I'm not saying she is not a victim-for all it's worth. I would not want people to know me as just a victim.

scriptgirl said:

EXCUSE ME? I am NOT one of Alicia's anything, let alone in her PR camp. I don't like her in the least. Your argument re her sexuality is weak, to say the least. You "consulted" with people who have "gaydar"? And how do you know that Clive "made Alicia get a makeover?" Did he call you personally or did you see some sort of contract? Is that like consulting Miss Cleo? You are the one that seems determined to prove something, not me.

And yes, I know that celebs hook up with other celebs for image-I do live in LA-but that was not the case with the couples I mentioned.

Oh yes you ARE in her PR camp. If you don't like her so much, then why are you defending her? I'm not the only person on the org that says she's gay/bisexual, so there's no point in getting pissed off. She IS a homewrecker, so people are going to talk about her. Yes, Clive gave her a makeover because when Alicia first came out on the scene, her image was totally different. Basically, she was VERY masculine. Clive did the same thing with Whitney. Many record companies give their artists "image makeovers" because they view their artists as products. If they think the artists won't sell enough records by just being themselves, they change their images. Celebs aren't getting plastic surgeries just for the heck of it. They have to protect their images. Yes, this marriage IS fake, just like many other Hollywood marriages. Alicia's not the only celeb that gets talked about on the org. People have also commented on other closeted celebs like Tom Cruise, John Travolta, etc. and their fake heterosexual marriages. This ain't nothing new, so let it go because it won't stop as long as the org is around. Once again, people are sick of fake Hollywood being shoved down their throats. We know it's not real.

Paris9748430 said:

What exactly was "extremely butch" about Alicia Keys, the fact that she wore pants?

"Consulting with people that have gaydar"???

What, did you meet in a board room with a slideshow presentation???

And here's another PR person from Alicia's camp! Still not convinced by you and will never be.

Oh, I see, anyone who doesn't agree with your hate on for Alicia is in her PR camp. I see. Gotcha. Your line of reasoning-MASSIVE FAIL. I don't like her, but since I don't want her head on a platter like you do, that makes me a massive fan. Go back to meangirling on the playground.

scriptgirl said:

Oh, I see, anyone who doesn't agree with your hate on for Alicia is in her PR camp. I see. Gotcha. Your line of reasoning-MASSIVE FAIL. I don't like her, but since I don't want her head on a platter like you do, that makes me a massive fan. Go back to meangirling on the playground.

Who said I wanted her head on a platter? I'm not Mashonda, so I don't care about that. I'm just complaining because she needs to stop being fake and stop hurting other people simply because she's famous. I still say you're a part of her PR camp because you act like you don't understand that this is the org. People talk about other closeted celebs too, so Alicia isn't immune. People have also said negative things about her silly songs, and her less than spectacular singing. This ain't nothing new.

scriptgirl said:

Oh, I see, anyone who doesn't agree with your hate on for Alicia is in her PR camp. I see. Gotcha. Your line of reasoning-MASSIVE FAIL. I don't like her, but since I don't want her head on a platter like you do, that makes me a massive fan. Go back to meangirling on the playground.

jeami said:

Paris9748430 said:

What exactly was "extremely butch" about Alicia Keys, the fact that she wore pants?

"Consulting with people that have gaydar"???

What, did you meet in a board room with a slideshow presentation???

And here's another PR person from Alicia's camp! Still not convinced by you and will never be.

If I'm a PR person, I'm WOEFULLY underpaid!!!

I'm the worst-paid PR person in the World!

Paris9748430 said:

estelle81 said:

Love can make people do some ignorant and wrong shit. I have no respect for either Alicia or Swizz Cheats just like I have no respect for LeAnn Rimes who I think is worse than Alicia (imagine that) for her actions or Tori Spelling. If the guy cheats on his wife, it's bad enough, but if there are children involved, than that's completely unacceptable to me. If the dude wants to cheat on his wife and screw her than he's the real asshole in the situation, but with kids in the equation, the cheating husband and the mistress are both equally assholes to me except in this scenario where the triflin' mistress has the audacity to ask her lover's kids to refer to her as 'mommy'. Seems Alicia is the bigger of the assholes now and really does deserve a severe ass-whooping for this shit. The fact that she knew he was married with young children and still persued him makes her equivalent to a walking pile of dog poo in my eyes. She could have shot down his advances and been a real woman, but triflin' bitches are very seldom real women.

I'm not defending what went down, but how can we be sure that Mashonda's telling the truth?

She's on as many radio shows, blogs, and doing magazine articles she can go on.

She clearly has an agenda. She's clearly trying to get publicity.

She could've done like Sandra Bullock or Elin Woods and dealt with their husb

They dealt with their husband's infidelity quietly and with dignity.

Where's the dignity in running to every media outlet you can go to?

She's already the sympathetic figure. Alicia and Swizz are the bad guys.

What the hell else does she hope to attain by telling all her business to everyone with a microphone, tape recorder, or notepad?

Unfortunately, you are going to have to take Elin off that list because she just talked to People magazine about her divorce. As for Sandra (love her! ) , she has something that these other women don't seem to possess. They're called 'integrity', 'dignity', and 'class'; these virtues are possessed by few because some people barely have any patience let alone the ability to walk away when they get slapped in the face. Do I agree with this woman putting her business all out there; no, but she feels like she's warning other women so if that's why she's doing all the interviews than that's her perogative and burden to deal with in the end.

The only ones I ever feel sorry for when a marriage dissolves are the children. That's why I didn't really care about the whole Brad Pitt/Jennifer Aniston divorce. Is Angelina guilty in helping in the demise of Brad's marriage? Absolutely, but he didn't have any kids with Jennifer and if Brad had been an asshole to Angelina's children; she would have told him to fuck off the same way she told Billy Bob she didn't want him anymore after he didn't accept her adopted son. Just like other couples that were mentioned above, maybe a connection was there that neither could find in previous relationships and as long as the kids are happy, healthy, and respected, I don't really care what the adults do to each other...they're adults, they can leave; the children can't. If they want to shit on their marriage vows, that's on them. The moment the children get dragged into the mayhem is when I'm against the people who cause the bulk of the problems. If Swizz didn't have any kids with his wife, the cheating really wouldn't matter all that much to me because if Alicia wants some guy that cheated on his wife than she's a fool and may karma bite both of them in the ass.

Paris9748430 said:

estelle81 said:

Love can make people do some ignorant and wrong shit. I have no respect for either Alicia or Swizz Cheats just like I have no respect for LeAnn Rimes who I think is worse than Alicia (imagine that) for her actions or Tori Spelling. If the guy cheats on his wife, it's bad enough, but if there are children involved, than that's completely unacceptable to me. If the dude wants to cheat on his wife and screw her than he's the real asshole in the situation, but with kids in the equation, the cheating husband and the mistress are both equally assholes to me except in this scenario where the triflin' mistress has the audacity to ask her lover's kids to refer to her as 'mommy'. Seems Alicia is the bigger of the assholes now and really does deserve a severe ass-whooping for this shit. The fact that she knew he was married with young children and still persued him makes her equivalent to a walking pile of dog poo in my eyes. She could have shot down his advances and been a real woman, but triflin' bitches are very seldom real women.

I'm not defending what went down, but how can we be sure that Mashonda's telling the truth?

She's on as many radio shows, blogs, and doing magazine articles she can go on.

She clearly has an agenda. She's clearly trying to get publicity.

She could've done like Sandra Bullock or Elin Woods and dealt with their husb

They dealt with their husband's infidelity quietly and with dignity.

Where's the dignity in running to every media outlet you can go to?

She's already the sympathetic figure. Alicia and Swizz are the bad guys.

What the hell else does she hope to attain by telling all her business to everyone with a microphone, tape recorder, or notepad?

Dang! I was really not going to defend or condemn the wife in all of this. But really, she has been so wrongged... if she feels the need to vent, get it off of her chest, tell the world that she has been wronged... who could blame her???

Not the 2 timing husband and his mistress. If it gets them bad publicity, oh well, they should have thought about that before they fell in bed with each other. They got married in a splashy paradise wedding for gawd's sake.

There was nothing "quiet" or "dignified" about either Swizz or Alicia's actions in this matter.

Why should the wronged wife be the only one expected to take the high rode, or have anyone cry foul when she declares that she has been wronged.

estelle81 said:

Paris9748430 said:

I'm not defending what went down, but how can we be sure that Mashonda's telling the truth?

She's on as many radio shows, blogs, and doing magazine articles she can go on.

She clearly has an agenda. She's clearly trying to get publicity.

She could've done like Sandra Bullock or Elin Woods and dealt with their husb

They dealt with their husband's infidelity quietly and with dignity.

Where's the dignity in running to every media outlet you can go to?

She's already the sympathetic figure. Alicia and Swizz are the bad guys.

What the hell else does she hope to attain by telling all her business to everyone with a microphone, tape recorder, or notepad?

Unfortunately, you are going to have to take Elin off that list because she just talked to People magazine about her divorce. As for Sandra (love her! ) , she has something that these other women don't seem to possess. They're called 'integrity', 'dignity', and 'class'; these virtues are possessed by few because some people barely have any patience let alone the ability to walk away when they get slapped in the face. Do I agree with this woman putting her business all out there; no, but she feels like she's warning other women so if that's why she's doing all the interviews than that's her perogative and burden to deal with in the end.

The only ones I ever feel sorry for when a marriage dissolves are the children. That's why I didn't really care about the whole Brad Pitt/Jennifer Aniston divorce. Is Angelina guilty in helping in the demise of Brad's marriage? Absolutely, but he didn't have any kids with Jennifer and if Brad had been an asshole to Angelina's children; she would have told him to fuck off the same way she told Billy Bob she didn't want him anymore after he didn't accept her adopted son. Just like other couples that were mentioned above, maybe a connection was there that neither could find in previous relationships and as long as the kids are happy, healthy, and respected, I don't really care what the adults do to each other...they're adults, they can leave; the children can't. If they want to shit on their marriage vows, that's on them. The moment the children get dragged into the mayhem is when I'm against the people who cause the bulk of the problems. If Swizz didn't have any kids with his wife, the cheating really wouldn't matter all that much to me because if Alicia wants some guy that cheated on his wife than she's a fool and may karma bite both of them in the ass.

Sandra also has something to lose that the other women don't have... IMAGE. Elin's, Mashonda all these other wronged women are not famous except thru their famous husbands. So if they talk to the press, they are not ruining their chances for the next movie role, next endorsement deal... they have nothing to lose. Not taking anything from Sandra 'cause I love her too... it is not fair to compare Sandra to Elin.