Inspired by this thread

http://www.stevehoffman.t...p?t=225898

Its widely known that music for many young people growing up in America in the 60's and 70's was a big part of people lives, and in part, contributed to how they identified themselves as people. Undoubtedly this had something to do witht he era at the time, but probably a large part of this has to be credited to the not only innovative and exciting counterculture & countercultural music that was springing up but also the iconic pop stars that became mythologized over their unprecedently badass actions. While musicians, and people in general, have always done notoriously infamous things in the past, never before was their scandalous deeds accepted by their fans or engendered to them so strongly. Hmm, I'm going a bit off topic so I'll end this here.

Will Music ever be as important to the Average young american again?

Should music be as important as it was?

Sandino said:

Inspired by this thread

http://www.stevehoffman.t...p?t=225898

Its widely known that music for many young people growing up in America in the 60's and 70's was a big part of people lives, and in part, contributed to how they identified themselves as people. Undoubtedly this had something to do witht he era at the time, but probably a large part of this has to be credited to the not only innovative and exciting counterculture & countercultural music that was springing up but also the iconic pop stars that became mythologized over their unprecedently badass actions. While musicians, and people in general, have always done notoriously infamous things in the past, never before was their scandalous deeds accepted by their fans or engendered to them so strongly. Hmm, I'm going a bit off topic so I'll end this here.

Will Music ever be as important to the Average young american again?

Should music be as important as it was?

I think the music of today is important to the people that listen to it. Take rap for example, to allot of today's youth, gives the a voice. Now, whether or not it's good, is an entirely different topic.

I was thinking about this the other day and I realise it's a bit of a generalisation but if U look back 2 the 60s and 70s, a lot of the musicians of that time saw all the corruption, negativity and greed in the world and how everything was gearing 2wards consumerism and I think they truly believed that music and the message it could bring could change all this... But it never happened, in fact the exact opposite occured. The music became corrupt, negative and all about greed and the message it brings now is all about consumerism. Women became bitches and hoes and fast cars and money became the order of the day. So sadly no, I don't think that the music of 2day is as important as it was but hey if theres one thing that has been proven over and over again it's the words of Elvis Costello... He said in an interview once... "In the music business, the only notes that matter come in wads." Amen.

Young folks have more access to music (music clips, free music, youtube, music streaming, cable music channels), than I ever had as a kid!!! What took me years to hunt, search and build, some 20 year old can have the same experience in a few months.

They are discovering classic music from the 60's, 70's, 80, & 90's and they are listening and appreciating the songs. What I find interesting, some kids will have the same soundtrack as I did when I was a kid, because their isn't enough new music to choose from.

I can't see how. The talent pool is dying off.

Music (if that's what you want to call it) these days has been very influential to how young people dress, talk, act, and carry themselves. Just look at the thug that robbed you the other day. He looks just like the shit hop clowns out there making so-called music. Just look at the average, everyday kids out there that dress like that and carry themselves with the same shitty attitude. Just look at all the reality shows all over the TV. A bunch of young people living in a house together competing for some rediculous prize of being with some worthless deadbeat and shouting all that shit hop slang at each other while they fight and argue. It's all in the talk shows also. They get the most ghetto ass people they can find and they sit up and talk that shit. Hell, even the old white talk show host talks the same shit sometimes such as...."Did he just diss her".

Yeah, that shit is still "important" to the younger generation these days. Just all for the wrong reasons.

vainandy said:

Music (if that's what you want to call it) these days has been very influential to how young people dress, talk, act, and carry themselves. Just look at the thug that robbed you the other day. He looks just like the shit hop clowns out there making so-called music. Just look at the average, everyday kids out there that dress like that and carry themselves with the same shitty attitude. Just look at all the reality shows all over the TV. A bunch of young people living in a house together competing for some rediculous prize of being with some worthless deadbeat and shouting all that shit hop slang at each other while they fight and argue. It's all in the talk shows also. They get the most ghetto ass people they can find and they sit up and talk that shit. Hell, even the old white talk show host talks the same shit sometimes such as...."Did he just diss her".

Yeah, that shit is still "important" to the younger generation these days. Just all for the wrong reasons.

Lol this^ is why I love you

Bulldog said:

Young folks have more access to music (music clips, free music, youtube, music streaming, cable music channels), than I ever had as a kid!!! What took me years to hunt, search and build, some 20 year old can have the same experience in a few months.

They are discovering classic music from the 60's, 70's, 80, & 90's and they are listening and appreciating the songs. What I find interesting, some kids will have the same soundtrack as I did when I was a kid, because their isn't enough new music to choose from.

Some teenagers have heard classic songs on YouTube and all of them are more animated than we are about "THIS MUSIC SHOULD RETURN!" Like 11, 12, 13, 14, 15-year-old kids...

It's MY generation (the ones born between 1980 and 1990) that scare me more than ones in this generation.

Timmy84 said:

Bulldog said:

Young folks have more access to music (music clips, free music, youtube, music streaming, cable music channels), than I ever had as a kid!!! What took me years to hunt, search and build, some 20 year old can have the same experience in a few months.

They are discovering classic music from the 60's, 70's, 80, & 90's and they are listening and appreciating the songs. What I find interesting, some kids will have the same soundtrack as I did when I was a kid, because their isn't enough new music to choose from.

Some teenagers have heard classic songs on YouTube and all of them are more animated than we are about "THIS MUSIC SHOULD RETURN!" Like 11, 12, 13, 14, 15-year-old kids...

It's MY generation (the ones born between 1980 and 1990) that scare me more than ones in this generation.

Graycap23 said:

I can't see how. The talent pool is dying off.

The sad part is that the talent is there, it's just being blocked by the image-driven and talentless morons out there.

ernestsewell said:

Graycap23 said:

I can't see how. The talent pool is dying off.

The sad part is that the talent is there, it's just being blocked by the image-driven and talentless morons out there.

Too add to that, the way things are going I don't see that changing any time soon.

PurpleColossus said:

ernestsewell said:

The sad part is that the talent is there, it's just being blocked by the image-driven and talentless morons out there.

Too add to that, the way things are going I don't see that changing any time soon.

That is a very unfortuante, and inconvenient, truth for anyone who is a musician out there and being blocked by it all - or for a music lover struggling to find something great to listen to again.

ernestsewell said:

PurpleColossus said:

Too add to that, the way things are going I don't see that changing any time soon.

That is a very unfortuante, and inconvenient, truth for anyone who is a musician out there and being blocked by it all - or for a music lover struggling to find something great to listen to again.

It's pretty depressing for me (and many others)..Seriously, if you are old enough to have experienced and appreciated music from the 60's to the 90's at the time, then you are incredibly blessed...Because I just don't see how the mainstream/popular music will get back to that quality with the way everything is structured in the industry now.

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PurpleColossus said:

ernestsewell said:

That is a very unfortuante, and inconvenient, truth for anyone who is a musician out there and being blocked by it all - or for a music lover struggling to find something great to listen to again.

It's pretty depressing for me (and many others)..Seriously, if you are old enough to have experienced and appreciated music from the 60's to the 90's at the time, then you are incredibly blessed...Because I just don't see how the mainstream/popular music will get back to that quality with the way everything is structured in the industry now.

It takes work. It takes digging around, and exploring, even on iTunes, or Rhapsody, or wherever to find people that are indie artists, and are GOOD at what they do. I strive to find those type of people for my show.

ernestsewell said:

PurpleColossus said:

It's pretty depressing for me (and many others)..Seriously, if you are old enough to have experienced and appreciated music from the 60's to the 90's at the time, then you are incredibly blessed...Because I just don't see how the mainstream/popular music will get back to that quality with the way everything is structured in the industry now.

It takes work. It takes digging around, and exploring, even on iTunes, or Rhapsody, or wherever to find people that are indie artists, and are GOOD at what they do. I strive to find those type of people for my show.

Your probably right, there is good music out there but it's not out in the public like it was in the past. Artists of the mainstream past had an actual mysique to them, can you say that now? Music, music videos, and a lot (not all of them) of the current popular artists have a bit of a soulless feel IMO. There is more than ever, a yearning for past music and that's increasing ever more.

Great timing on this thread, i was actually going to post a thread about "how relevant is America in your music buying/listening now", kind of the same idea, sort of. But I have to say NO, and its nothing to do with better or sucks or this or that, i mean we can debate, and we have, all the era's to death. Its now more about how music is put out, where its going, how its used, and what it has to compete with. Its got nothing to do with selling, which is what alot of people confuse RELEVANCE with, RELEVANCE has nothing to do with selling, but for today i feel music has lost its voice, and its got nothing to do with the youth of america, because its catered too, so if its catered to then why is it not relevant the way it was. Well alot of things come into play, lets use an example, take Saturday Night Fever, or Purple Rain, neither could be Today, regardless of how good they were musically, they would never be , they would be lost in the shuffle of marketing and hype and letdowns, and blogs on the internet. Lets not forget ALL that music was new, that couldnt happen today, for the most part, movies are made with soundtracks that are using old music, or launching someones new album. Now im not sure if people understand that ananlogy, but its basically saying the ways of marketing changed how the music has its place, i have often said that music is "the fries with your meal" and it is, when i was a kid/teen i got an allowance, and i spent that allowance every saturday going to the record store buying a 45 or if not saving up for the full album of whomever. Today a teen/kid is working younger, paying 100's for their text/cell phone bill etc...music is not the background anymore, to the majority. Sure you still have kids getting into lyrics.instruments etc...sure thats always going to be in some small % but that % is dwindling.

Now there are many other variables that come into play, another would be competetion, now people talk about HOW MUCH there is today, guess what, there is NONE at all, the game is not set up to battle it out, its set up to promote one thing at a time. Back then you could have 10-15 top selling artists all releasing records within a month or 2, today, your top sellers are so spaced out, you have about 3-4 artists out there at once. TO me to keep music going, you throw it all out there, Katy Perry todays top female artist, should have a new album out and singles out the same time as Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Rihanna etc.....there needs to be a main-streaming of the mainstream, but the problem is who is running things, not people that know music, but more people are from a "Selling" standpoint. Sure its a business and you want to sell things, thats how things continue, but you have to be able to do it right, you have to be able to build a past catalog with the artists you have now, if not, you are doing nothing but staying in the moment, and that mindset is not working, and illegal downloading HAS NOTHING to do with anyone of this.

I know i am young but when funk and afro came in style music went totally sour and so forth. 6o's was the last decade of pure music

ernestsewell said:

Graycap23 said:

I can't see how. The talent pool is dying off.

The sad part is that the talent is there, it's just being blocked by the image-driven and talentless morons out there.

co-sign.

Sandino said:

Inspired by this thread

http://www.stevehoffman.t...p?t=225898

Its widely known that music for many young people growing up in America in the 60's and 70's was a big part of people lives, and in part, contributed to how they identified themselves as people. Undoubtedly this had something to do witht he era at the time, but probably a large part of this has to be credited to the not only innovative and exciting counterculture & countercultural music that was springing up but also the iconic pop stars that became mythologized over their unprecedently badass actions. While musicians, and people in general, have always done notoriously infamous things in the past, never before was their scandalous deeds accepted by their fans or engendered to them so strongly. Hmm, I'm going a bit off topic so I'll end this here.

Will Music ever be as important to the Average young american again?

Should music be as important as it was?

I doubt it. Video killed the radio star.

Timmy84 said:

Bulldog said:

Young folks have more access to music (music clips, free music, youtube, music streaming, cable music channels), than I ever had as a kid!!! What took me years to hunt, search and build, some 20 year old can have the same experience in a few months.

They are discovering classic music from the 60's, 70's, 80, & 90's and they are listening and appreciating the songs. What I find interesting, some kids will have the same soundtrack as I did when I was a kid, because their isn't enough new music to choose from.

Some teenagers have heard classic songs on YouTube and all of them are more animated than we are about "THIS MUSIC SHOULD RETURN!" Like 11, 12, 13, 14, 15-year-old kids...

It's MY generation (the ones born between 1980 and 1990) that scare me more than ones in this generation.

Our generation is the main ones making the songs for the teenagers that you mention . I do like to rotate I listen to old school and I listen to what people our age are doing as well it's just certain people that I like the rest is eh sadly.

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Whose to say whats important and whats not?

People resonate with music differently. I have friends who ONLY identify with music that came pre-1980, I have friends who ONLY identify with recent music(be it mainstream or indie) and I have friends who identify with whatever they like be it recent or old.

I don't like most of today's music, but I know MANY people who view it with extreme importance,,,,I can't dismiss their taste, its personal to them.

ernestsewell said:

Graycap23 said:

I can't see how. The talent pool is dying off.

The sad part is that the talent is there, it's just being blocked by the image-driven and talentless morons out there.

I disagree that the talent is there.

There are certainly a few top-tier rockers out there, although there isn't anyone writing anything near "Sweet Emotion" or "Born to Run".

But comparing the second-, third- and fourth-tier bands of today with second-, third- and fourth-tier bands of yesterday shows a HUGE gap in talent and music knowledge.

Compare what one-hit wonders of today put out vs. one-hit wonders of the '70's. That's where you'll see an incredible difference in talent, ability and most of all, musical knowledge.

Bulldog said:

Young folks have more access to music (music clips, free music, youtube, music streaming, cable music channels), than I ever had as a kid!!! What took me years to hunt, search and build, some 20 year old can have the same experience in a few months.

They are discovering classic music from the 60's, 70's, 80, & 90's and they are listening and appreciating the songs. What I find interesting, some kids will have the same soundtrack as I did when I was a kid, because their isn't enough new music to choose from.

I'm a living example of that. Had it not been for the blogosphere(and this place), I probably wouldn't come across the artists I love to listen to now, anywhere else, unfortunately.

ernestsewell said:

Graycap23 said:

I can't see how. The talent pool is dying off.

The sad part is that the talent is there, it's just being blocked by the image-driven and talentless morons out there.

I took was watching, "Fantasia For Real",(long story). Anyway, while she was busy in the studio, her management was busy working on her image. One of them actually said, that in today's industry, image is more important than talent. I was like WTF?

shorttrini said:

ernestsewell said:

The sad part is that the talent is there, it's just being blocked by the image-driven and talentless morons out there.

I took was watching, "Fantasia For Real",(long story). Anyway, while she was busy in the studio, her management was busy working on her image. One of them actually said, that in today's industry, image is more important than talent. I was like WTF?

I saw that. It was insane. However, Fantasia has the talent too.

no. it's too cheap a commodity these days. and i don't mean the price, even though you can get it for free so easily.

First, there needs to be a distinction between "music" and "pop music".

And I'm not going to bother in this debate.

As far as I'm concerned, comparing "popular music" of the 60s and 70s to "popular music" now, is like comparing a 12 pack of crayons to a 1024 piece art set.

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BlaqueKnight said:

ernestsewell said:

The sad part is that the talent is there, it's just being blocked by the image-driven and talentless morons out there.

co-sign.

But who are the kids trying 2 pattern themselves after?

Timmy84 said:

Bulldog said:

Young folks have more access to music (music clips, free music, youtube, music streaming, cable music channels), than I ever had as a kid!!! What took me years to hunt, search and build, some 20 year old can have the same experience in a few months.

They are discovering classic music from the 60's, 70's, 80, & 90's and they are listening and appreciating the songs. What I find interesting, some kids will have the same soundtrack as I did when I was a kid, because their isn't enough new music to choose from.

Some teenagers have heard classic songs on YouTube and all of them are more animated than we are about "THIS MUSIC SHOULD RETURN!" Like 11, 12, 13, 14, 15-year-old kids...

It's MY generation (the ones born between 1980 and 1990) that scare me more than ones in this generation.

I refuse to listen to most of today's fuckery.

I liked alot of 90s music (being an adolescent of the decade, lol), but I grew up on 60's and 70's music. Thanks for that, Mom!

MyNameIsPiper said:

Timmy84 said:

Some teenagers have heard classic songs on YouTube and all of them are more animated than we are about "THIS MUSIC SHOULD RETURN!" Like 11, 12, 13, 14, 15-year-old kids...

It's MY generation (the ones born between 1980 and 1990) that scare me more than ones in this generation.

I refuse to listen to most of today's fuckery.

I liked alot of 90s music (being an adolescent of the decade, lol), but I grew up on 60's and 70's music. Thanks for that, Mom!

don't try to make us all feel bad.