Timmy84 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Oh you know damn well that broad went off the deep end with that clown outfit she had on!

Well that was then this is now.

Yeah, but "now" ain't that far from "then" .

RebirthOfCool said:

Militant said:

That just isn't true.

"The Score" did 7-8 mill. "Miseducation" did 9-10 mill.

There's not a lot of difference in the effect, post selling 5 or 6 million records.

Maybe the Fugees stayed urban in the US, i can't speak on that, but here in Europe they were most definitely pop and all over the mainstream media.

People also remembered Lauryn from "Sister Act 2" which regularly has been repeated on UK TV pretty much since it came out, lol.

You're missing the point. This isn't about "sales" this is about recognition/celebrity. She was in a group, so she was known as being part of that group. Once she went solo and blew up, she herself became a household name. She was bigger than The Fugees after her solo joint, and would've probably have been bigger than Clef had she not vanished from the scene at the peak of her popularity.

To further add, there's a reason why the masses are clamoring for HER to return more than they're wanting a Fugees reunion, and that's because her solo joint was so huge. If she had never done Miseducation, no one would care about her nor a reunion when she fell off.

RebirthOfCool said:

Militant said:

That just isn't true.

"The Score" did 7-8 mill. "Miseducation" did 9-10 mill.

There's not a lot of difference in the effect, post selling 5 or 6 million records.

Maybe the Fugees stayed urban in the US, i can't speak on that, but here in Europe they were most definitely pop and all over the mainstream media.

People also remembered Lauryn from "Sister Act 2" which regularly has been repeated on UK TV pretty much since it came out, lol.

You're missing the point. This isn't about "sales" this is about recognition/celebrity. She was in a group, so she was known as being part of that group. Once she went solo and blew up, she herself became a household name. She was bigger than The Fugees after her solo joint, and would've probably have been bigger than Clef had she not vanished from the scene at the peak of her popularity.

Right.

But the conversation I was having with MusicSlave was about whether she felt intimidated from the success of her records, not the resulting fame.

My point was that the level of success of an album wasn't new to her, not which of them made her more famous.

Regardless of fame, there's no pressure to follow up a hit album if you never had one in the first place, because fame and success are not synonymous.

Michael Jackson's international fame was achieved with "Bad" far moreso than "Thriller" as every MJ fan on this forum will attest. But he always chasing "Thriller" because of it's success, not how much recognition that success afforded him.

RebirthOfCool said:

Timmy84 said:

Well that was then this is now.

Yeah, but "now" ain't that far from "then" .

But she didn't get into weird antics as far as this was concerned. Hell Erykah Badu has been seen dressing like this and nobody here said shit.

Militant said:

RebirthOfCool said:

You're missing the point. This isn't about "sales" this is about recognition/celebrity. She was in a group, so she was known as being part of that group. Once she went solo and blew up, she herself became a household name. She was bigger than The Fugees after her solo joint, and would've probably have been bigger than Clef had she not vanished from the scene at the peak of her popularity.

Right.

But the conversation I was having with MusicSlave was about whether she felt intimidated from the success of her records, not the resulting fame.

My point was that the level of success of an album wasn't new to her, not which of them made her more famous.

Regardless of fame, there's no pressure to follow up a hit album if you never had one in the first place, because fame and success are not synonymous.

Michael Jackson's international fame was achieved with "Bad" far moreso than "Thriller" as every MJ fan on this forum will attest. But he always chasing "Thriller" because of it's success, not how much recognition that success afforded him.

But in L-Boogie's case, the fame is what fell her as well. In her case, her individual fame was tied to the success of her solo joint.

Timmy84 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Yeah, but "now" ain't that far from "then" .

But she didn't get into weird antics as far as this was concerned. Hell Erykah Badu has been seen dressing like this and nobody here said shit.

Or Prince back in the day. Or Lady GagGag. Or any of the other ridiculously dressed "performers" who are around now. Folks just want to believe Lauryn is nuckin' futs! And she may be, really. But I don't think this outfit has anything to do with it.

Timmy84 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Yeah, but "now" ain't that far from "then" .

But she didn't get into weird antics as far as this was concerned. Hell Erykah Badu has been seen dressing like this and nobody here said shit.

Yeah, but Erykah never gave up her career for some dick either. In fact, she musically celebrated the many dicks that went up in her .

^^

Cerebus said:

^^

RebirthOfCool said:

Timmy84 said:

But she didn't get into weird antics as far as this was concerned. Hell Erykah Badu has been seen dressing like this and nobody here said shit.

Yeah, but Erykah never gave up her career for some dick either. In fact, she musically celebrated the many dicks that went up in her .

Well to Ms. Badu's credit, she's the pimp.

Timmy84 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Yeah, but Erykah never gave up her career for some dick either. In fact, she musically celebrated the many dicks that went up in her .

Well to Ms. Badu's credit, she's the pimp.

True. True!

Martin00 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Yeah, her gear is fucked up but I'm not gonna deem her crazy just yet. Now once she starts crying in the middle of a fucking song, THEN I will deem her ass crazy again.

How does being moved to tears while you perform a song that obviously means a lot to you make you crazy? Loads of other artists have done it but weren't dismissed as crazy.

For example, there's Lauren Hill crazy and Chris Brown crazy. The difference is he gets a pass.

angel345 said:

Martin00 said:

How does being moved to tears while you perform a song that obviously means a lot to you make you crazy? Loads of other artists have done it but weren't dismissed as crazy.

For example, there's Lauren Hill crazy and Chris Brown crazy. The difference is he gets a pass.

Chris got a pass? When?

RebirthOfCool said:

angel345 said:

For example, there's Lauren Hill crazy and Chris Brown crazy. The difference is he gets a pass.

Chris got a pass? When?

I know that Lauren Hill is the topic of discussion, but both of them were deemed crazy by the media. Chris Brown broke down in tears, while singing "Man In The Mirror". You've mind as well call him over the top crazy, but I guess you'll overlook that one

angel345 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Chris got a pass? When?

I know that Lauren Hill is the topic of discussion, but both of them were deemed crazy by the media. Chris Brown broke down in tears, while singing "Man In The Mirror". You've mind as well call him over the top crazy, but I guess you'll overlook that one

Well no, CB didn't leave his career at the height of it. See, for L-Boogie, it was a series of events that had people scratching their heads. CB didn't get a pass per se, he found forgiveness from a lot that had condemned him.

I kinda like it. Maybe she or her stylist has been watching "Annie Hall" lately.

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RebirthOfCool said:

angel345 said:

I know that Lauren Hill is the topic of discussion, but both of them were deemed crazy by the media. Chris Brown broke down in tears, while singing "Man In The Mirror". You've mind as well call him over the top crazy, but I guess you'll overlook that one

Well no, CB didn't leave his career at the height of it. See, for L-Boogie, it was a series of events that had people scratching their heads. CB didn't get a pass per se, he found forgiveness from a lot that had condemned him.

I am fully aware that Chris Brown did not get a pass for domestic abuse. I was just wondering your level of sanity on the both of them, considering both of them has 'lost it'. That's all. Personally, I think that you're over the top crazy when you're a danger to yourself and others. My thoughts.

angel345 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Well no, CB didn't leave his career at the height of it. See, for L-Boogie, it was a series of events that had people scratching their heads. CB didn't get a pass per se, he found forgiveness from a lot that had condemned him.

I am fully aware that Chris Brown did not get a pass for domestic abuse. I was just wondering your level of sanity on the both of them, considering both of them has 'lost it'. That's all. Personally, I think that you're over the top crazy when you're a danger to yourself and others. My thoughts.

But I don't think Chris lost it, unless you're talking about his breakdown on stage that night. I just think the emotions of MJ's death and his own demons came to a head for that one moment. L-Boogie's seems to be a constant issue though.

RebirthOfCool said:

angel345 said:

I am fully aware that Chris Brown did not get a pass for domestic abuse. I was just wondering your level of sanity on the both of them, considering both of them has 'lost it'. That's all. Personally, I think that you're over the top crazy when you're a danger to yourself and others. My thoughts.

But I don't think Chris lost it, unless you're talking about his breakdown on stage that night. I just think the emotions of MJ's death and his own demons came to a head for that one moment. L-Boogie's seems to be a constant issue though.

I'm referring to the domestic abuse as far as losing it. To my understanding, he has an ongoing rage problem, but you've acknowledged his struggle. Therefore, both of them has ongoing issues. However, in all fairness both of them should get the help they need. What constitutes over the top crazy? Shall I say only a doctor could determine that one?

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angel345 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

But I don't think Chris lost it, unless you're talking about his breakdown on stage that night. I just think the emotions of MJ's death and his own demons came to a head for that one moment. L-Boogie's seems to be a constant issue though.

I'm referring to the domestic abuse as far as losing it. To my understanding, he has an ongoing rage problem, but you've acknowledged his struggle. Therefore, both of them has ongoing issues. However, in all fairness both of them should get the help they need. What constitutes over the top crazy? Shall I say only a doctor could determine that one?

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Ok but having a domestic abuse problem isn't the same as leaving your career at the height of it. His "crazy" isn't really crazy. He has a problem. Her crazy is actually crazy.

RebirthOfCool said:

angel345 said:

I'm referring to the domestic abuse as far as losing it. To my understanding, he has an ongoing rage problem, but you've acknowledged his struggle. Therefore, both of them has ongoing issues. However, in all fairness both of them should get the help they need. What constitutes over the top crazy? Shall I say only a doctor could determine that one?

Ok but having a domestic abuse problem isn't the same as leaving your career at the height of it. His "crazy" isn't really crazy. He has a problem. Her crazy is actually crazy.

Some people are scared of heights.

No biggie I've seen worst. How did her voice sound while singing? Does she still got it?

Cinnie said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Ok but having a domestic abuse problem isn't the same as leaving your career at the height of it. His "crazy" isn't really crazy. He has a problem. Her crazy is actually crazy.

Some people are scared of heights.

Very true.

RebirthOfCool said:

angel345 said:

I'm referring to the domestic abuse as far as losing it. To my understanding, he has an ongoing rage problem, but you've acknowledged his struggle. Therefore, both of them has ongoing issues. However, in all fairness both of them should get the help they need. What constitutes over the top crazy? Shall I say only a doctor could determine that one?

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Ok but having a domestic abuse problem isn't the same as leaving your career at the height of it. His "crazy" isn't really crazy. He has a problem. Her crazy is actually crazy.

Leaving the music business at the height of your career doesn't necessarily constitutes craziness. Lauren Hill explained her reasons for leaving. It's all on YouTube. The music business is a crazy business, and like Diddy stated, the average artist lasts 4-5 yrs. I don't agree with his business practices, but I can see what he means. Female artists have a more difficult time than male artists. I believe that there's more going on behind the scenes of artists than the media is telling. Show business altogether is a very cutthroat and crazy business. David Chappelle left at the height of his career, and he explains why. He talks about how shady the business is. Does that still make him crazy as people would like to believe? He said Martin, Mariah, and MJ in so many words isn't as crazy as the public thinks, because they don't know the real deal.

angel345 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

Ok but having a domestic abuse problem isn't the same as leaving your career at the height of it. His "crazy" isn't really crazy. He has a problem. Her crazy is actually crazy.

Leaving the music business at the height of your career doesn't necessarily constitutes craziness. Lauren Hill explained her reasons for leaving. It's all on YouTube. The music business is a crazy business, and like Diddy stated, the average artist lasts 4-5 yrs. I don't agree with his business practices, but I can see what he means. Female artists have a more difficult time than male artists. I believe that there's more going on behind the scenes of artists than the media is telling. Show business altogether is a very cutthroat and crazy business. David Chappelle left at the height of his career, and he explains why. He talks about how shady the business is. Does that still make him crazy as people would like to believe? He said Martin, Mariah, and MJ in so many words isn't as crazy as the public thinks, because they don't know the real deal.

But then Dave tripped out in Africa. Martin Lawrence tripped out in the middle of the street at a car wash. Mariah tripped out and gave us "Glitter" (). But Pras also said the broad needs help, so regardless of what is the catalyst to her being crazy, she's still crazy.

RebirthOfCool said:

angel345 said:

Leaving the music business at the height of your career doesn't necessarily constitutes craziness. Lauren Hill explained her reasons for leaving. It's all on YouTube. The music business is a crazy business, and like Diddy stated, the average artist lasts 4-5 yrs. I don't agree with his business practices, but I can see what he means. Female artists have a more difficult time than male artists. I believe that there's more going on behind the scenes of artists than the media is telling. Show business altogether is a very cutthroat and crazy business. David Chappelle left at the height of his career, and he explains why. He talks about how shady the business is. Does that still make him crazy as people would like to believe? He said Martin, Mariah, and MJ in so many words isn't as crazy as the public thinks, because they don't know the real deal.

But then Dave tripped out in Africa. Martin Lawrence tripped out in the middle of the street at a car wash. Mariah tripped out and gave us "Glitter" (). But Pras also said the broad needs help, so regardless of what is the catalyst to her being crazy, she's still crazy.

And what if Chris Brown is manic-depressive, regardless? Where is Pras and Wyclef's support, instead of blabbing to the public that she needs help? Wyclef didn't think she was crazy when he was messing with her. It's amazing how people spill crap when it's over. I'm not giving her a pass, and neither does Chris Brown. I hope they do get the help and support that they need. BTW, speaking of Erykah Badu, she supports Lauren Hill.

angel345 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

But then Dave tripped out in Africa. Martin Lawrence tripped out in the middle of the street at a car wash. Mariah tripped out and gave us "Glitter" (). But Pras also said the broad needs help, so regardless of what is the catalyst to her being crazy, she's still crazy.

And what if Chris Brown is manic-depressive, regardless? Where is Pras and Wyclef's support, instead of blabbing to the public that she needs help? Wyclef didn't think she was crazy when he was messing with her. It's amazing how people spill crap when it's over. I'm not giving her a pass, and neither does Chris Brown. I hope they do get the help and support that they need. BTW, speaking of Erykah Badu, she supports Lauren Hill.

I agree. I'm just stating what's been out there since she went AWOL from the industry.

RebirthOfCool said:

angel345 said:

And what if Chris Brown is manic-depressive, regardless? Where is Pras and Wyclef's support, instead of blabbing to the public that she needs help? Wyclef didn't think she was crazy when he was messing with her. It's amazing how people spill crap when it's over. I'm not giving her a pass, and neither does Chris Brown. I hope they do get the help and support that they need. BTW, speaking of Erykah Badu, she supports Lauren Hill.

I agree. I'm just stating what's been out there since she went AWOL from the industry.

Are you REALLY agreeing with me? . Just surprised.

angel345 said:

RebirthOfCool said:

I agree. I'm just stating what's been out there since she went AWOL from the industry.

Are you REALLY agreeing with me? . Just surprised.

Yeah, I'm agreeing. We agree that whatever the reason is, they may have a mental issue.