im probably one of the few people on here who actualy like diddy, most of these current hiphop/moguls followed his blueprint. while people hate on diddy they worship the shady, backstabbing camel. imo jayz followed puff's blueprint to the tee ...record label,clothing line,pop singer girlfriend, ,ect,ect and people act like he's some kinda god .of course diddy has done his share of dirty dealings, what music mogul hasnt? but i respect his hustle and i like alot of his music.

^ He's part of the problem in hip-hop.

Timmy84 said:

^ He's part of the problem in hip-hop.

Again i dont dislike Diddy because lets be real, isnt he just doing what PRINCE did?? Bringing along proteges (day 26, danity kane, Dream) and riding them for a time and then on to the next, i mean Prince has a closet full of proteges, i think there is a graveyard set for all of them when they pass on, so i cant hate someone who is doing the same thing in a different era, i think he is just an annoying person though, if he didnt speak, we'd be cool

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

^ He's part of the problem in hip-hop.

Again i dont dislike Diddy because lets be real, isnt he just doing what PRINCE did?? Bringing along proteges (day 26, danity kane, Dream) and riding them for a time and then on to the next, i mean Prince has a closet full of proteges, i think there is a graveyard set for all of them when they pass on, so i cant hate someone who is doing the same thing in a different era, i think he is just an annoying person though, if he didnt speak, we'd be cool

When he tries to rap or opens his mouth I'm like Other than that, I have no problem with whatever he's doing. He became a problem when he thought he could rap lol

Diddy (personality aside) should be an American role model for hard work. This dude KNEW what he wanted to do. He worked in the damned MAILROOM at Motown, he danced for other established artist till he was dizzy and about to pass the hell out, he did everything he NEEDED to do in order to get where he is today. You have to have a strong passion for your potential craft to be willing to start out working in the mailroom of a big music record label.

Perhaps Puffy slept with a few male record executatives (no proof just speculation and rumor) but a lot of hard ass work made him into the man he is today. No pun intended.

Yall should check out my Stacy Lattisaw thread, Puffy is dancing throughout her video, in the interview that I posted on the thread she said that Puffy was working in the mailroom at Motown and was NOT even supposed to be in the video, but somehow he finaagled his way into dancing in that vdeo (pretty damned good too). He also danced in the Fine Young Cannibals video, he did what he needed to do. Very very smart and determined man.

When has Russel Simmons ever even broken a sweat to get where he is? All I saw him doing was riding the backs of other hard workers, and him doing coke...coke...and more coke.

babybugz said:

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There’s an off perception that needs to be addressed about me that I have ever robbed somebody or mistreated somebody. Or tried to be ruthless or whatever in this game. Like, all this year I’ve heard people say, “Where’s Carl Thomas, where’s Black Rob, where’s G.Dep? Where are these artists?” And for some reason they go ahead and equate that, cause those artists aren’t with me, that I’ve done something wrong or malicious or conniving. It’s something that I do have a problem with because they don’t have no proof that I’ve ever done nothing like that.

Does this really bother you, because you’ve talked about this before.
It’s a misconception. Especially someone who’s been brought up like me. I’ve been brought up to work hard for mine and never take from nobody. And to always try and help people. But people don’t understand this game that were in. You have a short life expectancy. It’s rare to a me, to be a Jay-Z, an LL, a Nas. That shit is a rarity. That’s not even one percent of the rappers. If you look at any artists that were on Ruff Ryders, where they at? If you look at any artist that was on Def Jam at the time we started, where they at? If you look at any artist that was on Roc-A-Fella, Jive, where they at? It’s not like anything was wrong with them. It’s just that you have a four, five-year average in this game. That’s just something I wanted to address.

http://rapradar.com/2010/...sts-dirty/

this jerk off has retired more people than social security!!!

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

^ He's part of the problem in hip-hop.

Again i dont dislike Diddy because lets be real, isnt he just doing what PRINCE did?? Bringing along proteges (day 26, danity kane, Dream) and riding them for a time and then on to the next, i mean Prince has a closet full of proteges, i think there is a graveyard set for all of them when they pass on, so i cant hate someone who is doing the same thing in a different era, i think he is just an annoying person though, if he didnt speak, we'd be cool

CORRECTION: The girl band Dream was NEVER a Sean Combs creation, therefore does NOT count as Sean Combs' proteges.

Ricky Bell says signing with Bad Boy Records did not live up to the group’s expectations. "We thought it was gonna be like no limits," Bell said. "Let's go all out. Let's just get with the best writers, the best producers, let's just exploit New Edition, like, all the way, and that wasn't the plan. I mean, once we got in with him (P. Diddy), when we didn't agree with him on certain songs, we would get sent home for like six, seven months. You know, it would just be nothing being done."

Bell added that the straw that broke the camel's back was an incident over a song titled "Keep In Touch" which was produced by Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. Bell said that Combs refused to pay for the song because the group was allegedly over budget, although they had only worked with in-house Bad Boy producers.

According to Bell, Combs didn't respect Jam & Lewis, although the two produced many of New Edition's biggest hits. Eventually Jam & Lewis gave the group the song free of charge, but somehow it still wasn't included on the final version of One Love. Bell explained: "You know that song wasn't on there. It was taken off the album, then there was another song put on the album that wasn't even talked about initially of being on the album. A song that none of us liked. On top of that, Puffy paid himself $50,000, on top of that put a song on it that we didn't like, and we just felt like that was just a slap in the face. No respect."

Following the fallout with Bad Boy Records, reports surfaced that the group was difficult to work with. Group member Johnny Gill addressed the rumors. He said: "Well, I want anyone, whoever has any doubts about us, working with us, look at our 22-year record. I mean, it's not ironic when you look at Bad Boy, not only just us, look at the artists that have come, the artists that are leaving, and everyone that's trying to get out of the situation."

Calls to Bad Boy Records weren't returned at press time.

http://new.music.yahoo.co...--18812881

What are the chances of admitting that you're a shady businessman? Do like he did: run your own show.

He's not lying. He's never worked with anyone who is an actual "artist" so there's no way he could do an artist dirty.

vainandy said:

He's not lying. He's never worked with anyone who is an actual "artist" so there's no way he could do an artist dirty.

lol...........Carl Thomas is legit. Faith also.

Cassie still has a record deal?

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Ohhhhhhhhh I gotcha lol

Cassie is such a fucking waste it's pathetic, I guess she help diddy with his stress

and dirty diddy hoodrat strokin' his um.....ego

he is such a pimp! can't be mad at him tho.

Graycap23 said:

vainandy said:

He's not lying. He's never worked with anyone who is an actual "artist" so there's no way he could do an artist dirty.

lol...........Carl Thomas is legit. Faith also.

I think it was artist as in painter, scultor,, art rather thatn to say the people he worked with were untalented.

Diddy is a pimp hustla. Sure his work ethic is crazy but he's basically an asshole.

Capitalism has taken its toll on American society. Its understandabe why other countries don't want their culture INFECTED with our bullshit.

Lyor; the name fits.

[Edited 8/25/10 15:56pm]

BlaqueKnight said:

Capitalism has taken its toll on American society. Its understandabe why other countries don't want their culture INFECTED with our bullshit.

You jokers are sitting here praising Puffy for his "business savy" when it is the same so-called savy that has fucked up so many things for so many artists. This mutha fucka is a CANCER on the music industry and there are so many braindead sheepole praising his business savy its disgusting. So, aside from the regular music business shit that artists have to deal with like cross-collateralization and being overcharged for their promotion and music videos, THIS MUTHA FUCKA comes and and does extra shit like forces his no-talent ass on their tracks and charges them 20-50k, then make sure the track he is on is the single and charges them another 50k appearance fee for being in the video. Then is arrogant about the shit. That is what separates Fluffy from other music moguls who are fucking their artists. Its a corrupt system. If you support and praise Fluffer for his business savy, then you DON'T support artists and the arts and you are just as digusting as he is. So if you feel that an artist should be forced to blow $100k of their advance money so Puffy can do this:

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then you can't complain AT ALL about music's current state or the lack of anything because you support what he is doing. The corporate world loves Diddy because he is a shining symbol of success from the application of greed. In that sense - he is successful. But don't talk about music in the same sentence because he is the antithesis of art. Puffy is a big ass wanna be artist with no talent who has taken to exacting his revenge for his own musical shortcomings on every artist that dares sign to his so-called "label". That mutha fucka is disgusting and so is anyone who supports him or the fuckers that have followed his blueprint.

And Lyor Cohen is the musical antichrist.

Lyor; the name fits.

Timmy84 said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Capitalism has taken its toll on American society. Its understandabe why other countries don't want their culture INFECTED with our bullshit.

You jokers are sitting here praising Puffy for his "business savy" when it is the same so-called savy that has fucked up so many things for so many artists. This mutha fucka is a CANCER on the music industry and there are so many braindead sheepole praising his business savy its disgusting. So, aside from the regular music business shit that artists have to deal with like cross-collateralization and being overcharged for their promotion and music videos, THIS MUTHA FUCKA comes and and does extra shit like forces his no-talent ass on their tracks and charges them 20-50k, then make sure the track he is on is the single and charges them another 50k appearance fee for being in the video. Then is arrogant about the shit. That is what separates Fluffy from other music moguls who are fucking their artists. Its a corrupt system. If you support and praise Fluffer for his business savy, then you DON'T support artists and the arts and you are just as digusting as he is. So if you feel that an artist should be forced to blow $100k of their advance money so Puffy can do this:

[img:$uid]http://i40.tinypic.com/2eaknid.jpg[/img:$uid]

then you can't complain AT ALL about music's current state or the lack of anything because you support what he is doing. The corporate world loves Diddy because he is a shining symbol of success from the application of greed. In that sense - he is successful. But don't talk about music in the same sentence because he is the antithesis of art. Puffy is a big ass wanna be artist with no talent who has taken to exacting his revenge for his own musical shortcomings on every artist that dares sign to his so-called "label". That mutha fucka is disgusting and so is anyone who supports him or the fuckers that have followed his blueprint.

And Lyor Cohen is the musical antichrist.

Lyor; the name fits.

Well then we need apply this to all, not just Diddy, we have had people all over dipping their hands into other fields, Jay Z is far worse then him, as is Russell Simmons, i mean Rus preaches music and then sings another tune in the board room, LA Reid anyone, music isnt on the radar at all, i dont care how much "old school" he listens too. Charging for Tracks, well lets not forget Timbaland who most on this forum kiss hiss ass, but he does that 24/7 for much more money.

I mean there is a total double standard on the forum when we talk about someone who is "doing it on their own" like a Amerie and Teedra Moses, and then we hear nonstop about Beyonce?? well isnt she an issue too? Is she not doing what Puffy does? just because she puts out alot more music doesnt mean she is in MUSIC.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

Well then we need apply this to all, not just Diddy, we have had people all over dipping their hands into other fields, Jay Z is far worse then him, as is Russell Simmons, i mean Rus preaches music and then sings another tune in the board room, LA Reid anyone, music isnt on the radar at all, i dont care how much "old school" he listens too. Charging for Tracks, well lets not forget Timbaland who most on this forum kiss hiss ass, but he does that 24/7 for much more money.

I mean there is a total double standard on the forum when we talk about someone who is "doing it on their own" like a Amerie and Teedra Moses, and then we hear nonstop about Beyonce?? well isnt she an issue too? Is she not doing what Puffy does? just because she puts out alot more music doesnt mean she is in MUSIC.

I DID apply it to all. Did you not read what I wrote?

Beyonce does not do what Puffy does and this thread is not about artists but about assholes like Fluff-Doody. The whole "blueprint" or "formula" that all of these assholes are using is corrupt but at one point, greedy execs didn't try to opt the artists out of the music like they do now. Labels have always taken from artists but there were lines before. In this new music business, the goal is not only to control the tone, subject, selection and flow of the music but to give artists as little as possible for doing it. Producers charge outrageous fees as a result of this, not the other way around. They are at least part of the music that you hear. Puffy is not a musician, nor can he make tracks. He is not part of what you hear. He is a hype man at best. ALL of his raps are ghost written; bought and paid for. Dude is no more musical than a tin can. He is a leech.

babybugz said:

Cassie is such a fucking waste it's pathetic, I guess she help diddy with his stress

Whatver happened to the oh-so-talented Cassie? Did she ever release a second album? The poor child can't sing to save her life.She's not even good at faking it,either...lol...

SoulAlive said:

babybugz said:

Cassie is such a fucking waste it's pathetic, I guess she help diddy with his stress

Whatver happened to the oh-so-talented Cassie? Did she ever release a second album? The poor child can't sing to save her life.She's not even good at faking it,either...lol...

I know she put out a single for her second album a while back , as far as the album I don't think it ever came out I could be wrong.She know she's best as diddy's dick cleaner

BlaqueKnight said:

lastdecember said:

Well then we need apply this to all, not just Diddy, we have had people all over dipping their hands into other fields, Jay Z is far worse then him, as is Russell Simmons, i mean Rus preaches music and then sings another tune in the board room, LA Reid anyone, music isnt on the radar at all, i dont care how much "old school" he listens too. Charging for Tracks, well lets not forget Timbaland who most on this forum kiss hiss ass, but he does that 24/7 for much more money.

I mean there is a total double standard on the forum when we talk about someone who is "doing it on their own" like a Amerie and Teedra Moses, and then we hear nonstop about Beyonce?? well isnt she an issue too? Is she not doing what Puffy does? just because she puts out alot more music doesnt mean she is in MUSIC.

I DID apply it to all. Did you not read what I wrote?

And don't deter the topic onto something else.

Beyonce does not do what Puffy does and this thread is not about artists but about assholes like Fluff-Doody. The whole "blueprint" or "formula" that all of these assholes are using is corrupt but at one point, greedy execs didn't try to opt the artists out of the music like they do now. Labels have always taken from artists but there were lines before. In this new music business, the goal is not only to control the tone, subject, selection and flow of the music but to give artists as little as possible for doing it. Producers charge outrageous fees as a result of this, not the other way around. They are at least part of the music that you hear. Puffy is not a musician, nor can he make tracks. He is not part of what you hear. He is a hype man at best. ALL of his raps are ghost written; bought and paid for. Dude is no more musical than a tin can. He is a leech.

but she too is a formula, she is a product that is continuing to be used over and over. Her career is ghost written, she writes two words and is all of a sudden the "writer". So Diddy with all his horrible rapping, created a formula that everyone used, lets not forget he started the whole Hip Hop RB Rap Blend with mixes for artists like Mariah Carey, so, we cant just give a pass to "artists" because they have talent but used the formula that brought the industry down. We cant praise Aaliyah in a thread and at the same time she was at the start of this "so called" problem, she was part of a mogul for a good portion of her career. Is diddy an asshole no talent cat that brought down an industry, well yeah, but he is in a very large class, that did not start nor end with him, and ALOT of people we praise are in that class when they want to be, but just use the term artist.

There are alot bigger issues than Puffy, he isnt even a player in the game anymore, he is a joke at this point, a cartoon figure, he has no pull no power in music because he nor many others are not selling music, they are selling a product, and that list doesnt just included puffy. I mean i see/hear people in NYC industries and labels laugh at this Vibe cover, for its irrelevance, and this forum is about the only place that is actually giving Puffy airtime about it.

ALL FORMULAS have brought music down, whether used by artists, or no talent scumbag moguls, like Puffy or Jay or whomever.

[Edited 8/25/10 16:56pm]

babybugz said:

SoulAlive said:

Whatver happened to the oh-so-talented Cassie? Did she ever release a second album? The poor child can't sing to save her life.She's not even good at faking it,either...lol...

I know she put out a single for her second album a while back , as far as the album I don't think it ever came out I could be wrong.She know she's best as diddy's dick cleaner

I remember lastdecember said that her second album was being produced by Kanye West,but this was a few years ago I bet that the record company came to their senses and cancelled the project.

SoulAlive said:

babybugz said:

I know she put out a single for her second album a while back , as far as the album I don't think it ever came out I could be wrong.She know she's best as diddy's dick cleaner

I remember lastdecember said that her second album was being produced by Kanye West,but this was a few years ago I bet that the record company came to their senses and cancelled the project.

She had a track with him, they are about 40-50 tracks circulating on the net from "electro love" which is her second album, varied people in production, she was on a Kanye track also, i know we consider him a genius but we didnt make a stink when he had her in videos and singing a hook for him.

DIDDY NEEDS TO FUCK HIMSELF WITH AN 18-inch dildo and shut the hell up with his stupid ass nosense.

Cassie is still gorgeous and has a good career as a model so don't nobody need to worry about her.

bboy87 said:

Cassie still has a porno deal?

I fixed it for ya.

NastradumasKid said:

DIDDY NEEDS TO FUCK HIMSELF WITH AN 18-inch dildo and shut the hell up with his stupid ass nosense.

Nastradumas tell me where the funk you been?

Agree with what Puffy said. And he probably made quite a few of those people millionares.

Agree that people love to hate him.

Agree about him being a great business man (he's also a genius marketer and has done better than most at maintaining his business network contacts over the years - must be all those parties he throws ).

Agree about Russel Simmons FOR SURE! It's weird these days how people hate on Puffy but give Rus love.

Unfortunately, I absolutely HATE Puff as an rapper. Really, he's just a producer (whose music I often like), label head and promoter. But, love it or hate it, he created the producer as rap star persona and now we're stuck with it (from him and a bunch of other people that should just stay behind the boards).

phunkdaddy said:

bboy87 said:

Cassie still has a porno deal?

I fixed it for ya.

Lawd if that was the case.....I'm not in the right business