Militant said:

Just a couple of random thoughts.

Bboy just reminded me about Michael's frequent visits to the doctors in the last few months of his life.

Now, I remember seeing those pictures at the time, and I distinctly remember that in one such set of photos, that may even have been taken in June, just a few weeks before he died, that there was a woman standing behind Michael and she appeared to be crying. Does anyone remember this and find it weird at all? What could cause her to be so upset?

Also, a completely unrelated thought I just had....I always just assumed that in "They Don't Care About Us" when Michael sings

"Some things in life they just don't wanna see
But if Martin Luther was livin'
He wouldn't let this be"

that he was referring to MLK. But since he didn't specifically say, I wonder if perhaps he did actually mean Martin Luther, the founder of the Lutheran sect of Christianity.

What I found interesting about this, (and I am in NO WAY trying to suggest that Michael was prejudiced or bigoted, so don't even bother) is that Martin Luther was noted for being Anti-Semitic. In his writings he stated that Jewish homes should be destroyed and synagogues burned.

So of course I remembered that this was the exact same song in which Michael had the lyrics "Jew me, sue me" and "Kick me, kike me" and was accused by the Anti Defamation League of being Anti-Semitic due to using those terms.

Of course we know that Michael re-recorded the song, changing the lyrics and made a public statement of being misinterpreted in his use of those words.

Like I said, not trying to suggest anything, it's just something I found interesting.

He WAS referring to Dr. King in the song. I think the whole thing with the lyrics you stated, he could've been using it as an example of racism within the Jewish community rather than actually calling someone by that name. He did say "don't you black or white me" after that.

I think it was a misinterpretation. I could see how it was taken wrong so I can see why Michael changed the lyrics. I'm guessing he was really angry when he wrote/recorded it.

Oddly I knew who "Martin Luther" was but he definitely wasn't referring to him. He was referring King.

Unholyalliance said:

I mean, at the same token one could debate exactly which Roosevelt was he referring to? Teddy or Franklin or both and how does that reflect on his personal ideals, if they even do?

He was referring to Franklin. I watched the video and his image showed up (as well as King's) on the prison version.

mozfonky said:

Unholyalliance said:

As someone already mentioned, he was referring to MLK, but I have been joking about that since I first heard the song. I know that he loved to read up on his history, but I truly wondered how much he had read upon to know if he was actually referring to that Martin Luther instead of the one I know he really intended. I'm going to assume that he didn't even though that seems like a really huge coincidence. Maybe he did that on purpose? I just wonder because when he was talking to Rabbi Schumley(sp?) or so he seemed pretty ignorant to some of the basics of Judaism, unless he was just playing stupid. Then again, Michael had a song called In The Closet and he never renamed it either knowing or not knowing what that phrase meant so who knows? He may have, genuinely, not known, or he just couldn't be bothered and just did whatever the hell he wanted to do anyway.

Mike knew how to play the fame game. He knew how to get attention and cause controversy, in fact that may have been his downfall. He didn't know when to stop all that.

It's interesting that you've said that, considering that you've mentioned before on how very few celebrities can handle the amount of fame he's experienced.

suga10 said:

Swa said:

Yes he hated TOURING, not performing which is why the residency gig appealed to him. The quote you refer to he talks about how you are constantly travelling, dealing with jetlag, etc etc.

I still think he could have done the 50 shows over a 9 month period, in fact I had tickets to two nights in March I was that confident.

So Why are Karen Faye and Michael Bush speaking out that Michael wasn't ready? These people know more about what was happening behind the scenes. They have been near Michael for a long time.

Michael has not performed that many shows in a long time in front of people- he has went through tramautical experiences in his life. He was the not the same Michael from the Dangerous Era, History Era, and Bad Era. He went through a physically and emotionally draining trial which took out the energy from him, and he was still recovering these recent years from that. His priorities changed in recent year. It was not touring, it was about recovering from that crazy trial he went through and getting his life back on track. In addition he was 50 years old- he was not a young man at all.

It is not easy to go through 50 shows after years of not performing.

Even Leonard Rowe stated that that Michael told him how they screwed up the scheduling of the shows.

He was fearful about being judged again by the media. I think there was so much pressure on him.

[Edited 8/25/10 9:41am]

[Edited 8/25/10 9:42am]

Don't believe a word Leonard Rowe says. Michael told him NOTHING other than "I want nothing to do with you". Leonard is a known extortionist famous for extorting artists in the 70's and, more recently, Ne yo and R.Kelly. Him and Joe Jackson hounded and harassed Michael endlessly to put their hands on the 02 concerts pie. They were also badgering Michael in order to make him sign a contract for some concerts in Texas. When Leonard Rowe realized he wasn't in AEG's payroll, him and Joe came up with the whole "he was weak, frail and uncapable" thing. Funny thing: the day after Rowe and Joe met with Michael and he told them to get lost, pejorative rumors about TII and Michael's health (deliberatedly leaked by those two) started appearing in the media. The minute Rowe and Joe saw the TII announcement they were in cahoots. Why? Because they smelled money and wanted to put their dirty fingers in it. The first strategy those two came up with consisted in worming their way into AEG's payroll. They badgered Michael. They hunted and hounded him to no end. Then they had a meeting with him. He, due being hunted and harassed by Joe, signed a contract which allowed Rowe to be his financial advisor for the tour. A day later, Michael fired him. That's when Rowe and Joe invented another strategy to make money off of AEG: invent they mistreated Michael and then create a lawsuit against them hoping to get a payday. Then the two realized they wouldn't go far so, in early June, both sued Michael claiming "breach of contract".

Then Michael dies due to medical negligence on Murray's behalf. That's when Leonard and Joe take advantage of this. They used Michael's death to make it seem as if this was a consequence of mistreatment by AEG. The only way they have to give credibility to the story is by claiming MJ was a drug addict. This is entirely made with one goal in mind: sueing AEG to get an enormous payday. The plan was put in practice.

Leonard Rowe is a crook. A former convicted extortionist with whom NO ONE wants to work with due to obvious reasons (of course he justifies it using the race card). Michael didn't tell him anything. Rowe invented Michael told him that in order to make AEG look bad, to try to get points to his cause. The only person who could say "no, I didn't say that" is death, so Rowe, with no one to prove the opposite, invents Michael told him this and that. He invents Michael told him things that suits his cause.

Guess what? From Dileo to the nurse, everyone confirmed Michael saw Rowe as a leech and a vulture. He DID NOT told that to Rowe. Rowe invented Michael had told him that. Why? Because no one can legally prove he didn't (the only person who could is now death) and because it suits his argument.

Of course Rowe claims Michael was unhealthy, druggie and blah blah blah...because he wants an argument with which he can sue AEG and make money!!! If Michael was so weak, why was he hounding MJ to do concerts in Texas? Michael became "weak and frail" the moment Joe and Rowe realized he was not going to line their pockets. If Michael was so "unheatlhy" why were Joe and Rowe doing everything possible be in the 02 deal? As soon as those two realized they wouldn't be getting money off of AEG directly, they changed their strategy: invent Michael was weak and unhealthy. Then Michael dies due PURELY of medical negligence and they take advantage of that in order to put the second strategy in practice which is to claim that Michael died because he was "weak and unhealthy and a druggie" and AEG pushed him. They claim Murray is just the fall guy so they can go after AEG (the ones with the money). Their plan is to make it seem as if AEG is the reason as to why Michael died so they can sue it and GET A PAYDAY.

It's also known that Rowe and Joe hate AEG because it protected Michael from their constant houndings. With that said: EVERYTHING Rowe says is pure invented garbage with the purpose of it suiting his cause. It's obvious that he said that Michael told him that. He wants to make AEG look bad, as if they were responsible for Michael's death. So he invents that Michael (who is no longer here so no one can legally contest the validity of Rowe's claims) told him this and that- all things that suit Rowe's argument. Michael asked AEG to protect him from him and Poppa Joe...so why would he tell him anything about his feelings, in the first place?

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So why was Faye so excited about TII, before Michael's death? Why was she constantly hailing the tour as some kind of God's gift to the world? Then, as soon as she is seen with Randy, Faye changes her tune.

Why are Michael's dancers, bodyguards , Branca, McClain, DiLeo, Meserau, Cherilyn, the cook...EVERYBODY WHO HAD CONTACT WITH MICHAEL claiming he was super excited about the shows? Michael was excited about the shows but Joe and his pals want to make it seem as if he was pissed at AEG. As soon as they realized there was no money for them, Michael suddenly became a "pissed and weak drug addict". Obviously, this is entirely invented to make AEG look bad...you know, working for the lawsuit.

Michael wans't retarded. He KNEW what he was doing. AEG wanted Michael to do 85 shows but he refused. So, if AEG is so bad and forced Michael to do this and that, why didn't they force him to do 35 more shows? Why did he refuse to do 85 shows but was then forced to do 50? Answer: Michael wasn't forced to do ANYTHING. He even wanted to continue the tour in Japan. Just read what his cook, his bodyguards and Dileo said. EVERYONE near Michael confirmed the "weak and frail" arguments are just crap. Crap invented by some to make MONEY and get revenge out of not being included in the business.

If Michael was so weak why was his entire family hounding him to do a reunion show? Every single one of his bodyguards have confirmed that the family wanted desperately to do a reunion tour with him. Mike de la Purré even said that the Jacksons badgered Michael to no end for the tour. Tito, in January of 2009, was everywhere claiming Michael would be touring with the family. He hailed his brother as "stronger than ever". After the TII announcement (and after realizing the brothers had NOT been included) he claims that Michael was too weak to do the shows. So, he was strong to line his family members' pockets but he was weak and unhealthy to do solo tours? Weird.

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Exactly. He was trying to get his life back on track and touring and coming back in a glorious way was a part of it. That's when he decided to do TII. You're giving me the reason. Thank you very much!!!

Blah blah blah it's not easy to do this. I'm telling you: it's way more difficult to have your father and you father's extortionist friends trying to leech off of you. Of course it's not easy. Working is never easy. For anyone! But he was determined to come back and to tour again. You're "it's not easy" argument makes ZERO sense.

I'm sick of "the media pressured him" bullshit. No one pressured him more than Joe and his buddies...for money. As soon as Michael died, they smelled a chance.

[Edited 8/25/10 11:24am]

angel345 said:

mozfonky said:

Mike knew how to play the fame game. He knew how to get attention and cause controversy, in fact that may have been his downfall. He didn't know when to stop all that.

It's interesting that you've said that, considering that you've mentioned before on how very few celebrities can handle the amount of fame he's experienced.

what I mean by fame game is causing controversy and what I mean by knowing when to stop is when to stop with the bizarness which was an act to a degree. Jew me sue me, man knew what he was doing, in the closet, come on, that's obvious. And no, not many could handle that level of fame, it would break the average man in two, I'm sure, and that's without knowing what it's like up close.

The concert Rowe was signing him up for was supposed to take place this year in July 2010 not in 2009. It was only one show.

Also their plan was to get Michael into rehab first! They were looking out for Michael's health first as opposed to AEG- who wanted him to do all 50 shows.

[Edited 8/25/10 11:19am]

Also lemme clear this up going back to this mess over his death, I'm not defending AEG either. I think Michael WANTED to tour. This guy, LIKE I SAID, had yes men telling him he was OK, and considering the circumstances, he certainly seemed ready to do what he was going to do anyway. Even if someone told him (WHICH THEY DIDN'T since they claim they cared so much...riiiiight) "Michael you're sick", he would've said he was fine.

I'm not defending any crazy motherfucker that said they knew Michael was sick because if they knew they wouldn't have told the media. I don't care how much of a heart they had. It wouldn't have mattered since the man was already in the morgue. Michael probably had as much of a choice in the death as his people did but HE didn't know. He just wanted to sleep. He wanted to continue his focus on the tour.

Like I said threads back, the dude went out like a motherfucking trooper because the night before he died, he was on the stage. He was BORN on the stage and technically he DIED on the stage. Do any of y'all get what I'm saying?

Instead of trying to debate what happen or trying to debate what side I'm on, won't you just THINK ABOUT IT?! Do you think a proud man like Michael would've found a way to get through a performance even if HE WAS SICK?! It wasn't like Elvis. Now THAT GUY was victimized and taken advantage of more than say Michael mainly because he trusted too many folks and near the end of his life, some of the people HE trusted had to say "he's sick" and claim they cared for his safety. I'm not doubting that they did but to write a tell-all even if it was supposed to save the man was as cold as folks who told all of Michael's business after he passed away.

If you knew your son or your brother or your friend was in trouble, you wouldn't go to the fucking media, you get right in the motherfucker's face and tell him.

What I mean by this... well BEFORE Mike died, the same folks saying "he's OK" were the same ones afterwards saying "he was dying". Excuse me?! So you couldn't just say "NO COMMENT" when he was living? You couldn't avoid the press when they asked you how he was doing?

Thing is he didn't die because he was thin, he didn't die because he worked himself to death, he died at the hands of someone who shouldn't have been giving him that stuff or at least made sure Michael wouldn't die in his hands. The doctor didn't respect his oath.

And Michael's family was no better. In fact I think they were more naive than MICHAEL WAS. His father, I really don't get the fool anymore, his brothers have been brainwashed, least Jermaine has. The whole family was already falling apart by the time Michael died. Now with this impending divorce between Michael's parents it could get much worse.

How would Joe know what happened to his son when his son wouldn't let him know? And why would he blame Katherine for Michael's death? He still could've pitched in IF HE WAS IN TROUBLE AS THEY SAID. People in MJ's corner blaming one another for his death, it's sick. It was even sicker that folks TRIED to take advantage of Michael when he was living.

If you think discussing this bullshit is healthy, then go ahead, but like I said, what the FUCK it's gonna solve? If it hadn't been for a certain doctor, we wouldn't be sitting here debating on whether Michael was knocking on Heaven's door weeks before HE DIED.

NOW LET'S MOVE ON.

suga10 said:

The concert Rowe was signing him up for was supposed to take place this year in July 2010 not in 2009. Also their plan was to get Michael into rehab first! They were looking out for Michael's health first!

Leonard Rowe is a ho. There shouldn't have been a concert at all if they were concerned about Michael. Hell Michael hadn't been touring for 10 years by the time Michael was rehearsing for the o2 concerts anyway. Why didn't he get healthy then as some of you think he wasn't at the time?

Ever thought the trial had anything to do with why he felt like he was in a losing battle? I think he had slowly gained his confidence in his life and career by the time he died in 2009. I KNOW I ain't the only one who saw that.

I didn't forgive Leonard after Michael died, he wouldn't have done no better and that sitdown with Larry King where he was with Joe confirmed he wouldn't have helped either.

Michael didn't trust anyone...can't say I blame him. I wouldn't trust him either if I knew he was using my own father for a snake like Leonard was to Joe, who wasn't any better but still that was his family. I know he was concerned for him too.

angel345 said:

mozfonky said:

Mike knew how to play the fame game. He knew how to get attention and cause controversy, in fact that may have been his downfall. He didn't know when to stop all that.

It's interesting that you've said that, considering that you've mentioned before on how very few celebrities can handle the amount of fame he's experienced.

Lesser folks would've killed themselves if they experienced Michael's fame. I think he handled it well. The downfall was TRUST, not FAME.

suga10 said:

The concert Rowe was signing him up for was supposed to take place this year in July 2010 not in 2009. It was only one show.

Also their plan was to get Michael into rehab first! They were looking out for Michael's health first as opposed to AEG- who wanted him to do all 50 shows.

[Edited 8/25/10 11:19am]

And you believe that crap? Michael's welfare never crossed Rowe's or Joe's minds. Besides, the autopsy confirms that not only was Michael a "healthy person" but there were also no signs of long or short term addiction. Or you also believe Faye when she claims the autopsy was fabricated?

Michael was NOT a drug addict. He didn't need rehab.

Michael also wanted to do the 50 shows. In fact, he knew damn well what he was doing when he signed the contract.

You're too naive. Exactly the kind of people Joe and Rowe love.

You claim AEG wanted Michael to do this and that. You claim AEG forced Michael to do this and that. Well, I've got news for you; the only people who were trying to force Michael to do what they wanted was Joe and Rowe. They were badgering/hounding/harassing Michael on a daily basis because of the damn show they wanted him to do. When he told them that he would not be doing the Texas show, they continued badgering Michael to no end. The only people who ever forced anything on Michael, the only people who hounded and badgered Michael to do what they wanted was Joe and Rowe. What you claim AEG did is exactly what Rowe and Joe did. They were basically trying to force Michael to do what they wanted. Even after Michael told them to get lost, those two continued badgering and harassing him every day.

[Edited 8/25/10 11:33am]

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:

It's interesting that you've said that, considering that you've mentioned before on how very few celebrities can handle the amount of fame he's experienced.

Lesser folks would've killed themselves if they experienced Michael's fame. I think he handled it well. The downfall was TRUST, not FAME.

well, what I meant was that all the bizarness going all the way back to the hyperbaric chamber and the monkeys was that he knew how to get attention. but by putting himself so far outside of the norm it set him up in my opinion for being hunted like he was. It's not much of a stretch to think of a wierdo as a pedophile as it is to think of an everyday person as one (in the mind of many).

Michael was in control of what went on in "This Is It". Regardless of his health, the guy was in demand with what he wanted.

mozfonky said:

Timmy84 said:

Lesser folks would've killed themselves if they experienced Michael's fame. I think he handled it well. The downfall was TRUST, not FAME.

well, what I meant was that all the bizarness going all the way back to the hyperbaric chamber and the monkeys was that he knew how to get attention. but by putting himself so far outside of the norm it set him up in my opinion for being hunted like he was. It's not much of a stretch to think of a wierdo as a pedophile as it is to think of an everyday person as one (in the mind of many).

I don't quite see it that way. True Michael used the media to keep his name in the papers but he didn't know how far they would take it and when they did, of course it backtracked but not to the point where it nearly killed him. And the public are dumb for brains if they still believed he "possibly" was a child molester. It's like "really you believe that?" They could've read on the case themselves and see the truth like Aprhodite Jones did. Remember she was also in that cycle of "he did it" until she finally read up on the case and knew Michael was set up. Michael only learned the hard way that you try to set something up, someone else will set you up far worse. Plus a guy with his fame and image, I don't think it was simple to BE NORMAL. Hell he really wasn't (then again, who is?). The way he came on the scene, you think you'd be normal after selling 60 million? I don't think so.

mozfonky said:

angel345 said:

It's interesting that you've said that, considering that you've mentioned before on how very few celebrities can handle the amount of fame he's experienced.

what I mean by fame game is causing controversy and what I mean by knowing when to stop is when to stop with the bizarness which was an act to a degree. Jew me sue me, man knew what he was doing, in the closet, come on, that's obvious. And no, not many could handle that level of fame, it would break the average man in two, I'm sure, and that's without knowing what it's like up close.

Yeah, he's been good at it for quite some time, until it bit him in the face. That's probably why many folks didn't take him seriously, and after his death, do we REALLY know him? It would take a lot of unraveling, or to be upclose and personal with him to know. Somehow, you can feel a good vibe about him: he genuinely loved people, especially children. As I read a few interviews on the people who was close to MJ, they have said that MJ is different than his public persona, and his speaking voice is deeper.

Timmy84 said:

mozfonky said:

well, what I meant was that all the bizarness going all the way back to the hyperbaric chamber and the monkeys was that he knew how to get attention. but by putting himself so far outside of the norm it set him up in my opinion for being hunted like he was. It's not much of a stretch to think of a wierdo as a pedophile as it is to think of an everyday person as one (in the mind of many).

I don't quite see it that way. True Michael used the media to keep his name in the papers but he didn't know how far they would take it and when they did, of course it backtracked but not to the point where it nearly killed him. And the public are dumb for brains if they still believed he "possibly" was a child molester. It's like "really you believe that?" They could've read on the case themselves and see the truth like Aprhodite Jones did. Remember she was also in that cycle of "he did it" until she finally read up on the case and knew Michael was set up. Michael only learned the hard way that you try to set something up, someone else will set you up far worse. Plus a guy with his fame and image, I don't think it was simple to BE NORMAL. Hell he really wasn't (then again, who is?). The way he came on the scene, you think you'd be normal after selling 60 million? I don't think so.

Till this day, I have never gotten that type of vibe about him. He treats children as his pals as well as his babies.

"Hot Street" in the RIGHT speed this time.

Timmy84 said:

Instead of trying to debate what happen or trying to debate what side I'm on, won't you just THINK ABOUT IT?! Do you think a proud man like Michael would've found a way to get through a performance even if HE WAS SICK?! It wasn't like Elvis. Now THAT GUY was victimized and taken advantage of more than say Michael mainly because he trusted too many folks and near the end of his life, some of the people HE trusted had to say "he's sick" and claim they cared for his safety. I'm not doubting that they did but to write a tell-all even if it was supposed to save the man was as cold as folks who told all of Michael's business after he passed away.

I know Elvis had a lot of seedy guys around him, much more than Michael I'm sure but from what I know many of these guys still gave him warnings. Linda Thompson left him because she knew he was gonna die, they would pick food out of his throat when he'd pass out while eating, several times. He came close to dying before, if you've ever been close to someone with self-destructive tendencies you'd see how draining and all consuming it can be and eventually will lead to burnout. You really can only do so much. You throw the genius factor in, where it seems as if they all have a self-destruct program, it's nearly guaranteed.

suga10 said:

Is this all true

Joe Jackson -- Dr. Murray Held MJ Drug Intervention
34 minutes ago by TMZ Staff

Joe Jackson has re-filed his wrongful death lawsuit against Dr. Conrad Murray -- and now claims Dr. Murray and AEG staged an intervention with Michael Jackson one week before he died.



According to the new documents, Dr. Murray and representatives from AEG went to Michael Jackson's home on N. Carolwood Drive on June 18, 2009 -- and said they were there for a "drug intervention."

The suit claims during the meeting AEG demanded Michael "stop seeing Dr. Arnold Klein and stop taking the drugs Klein gave to him." They wanted Michael to "take only the medications being given to him by Conrad Murray."

According to the suit ... the intervention was intended to get Michael to adhere to Dr. Murray's drug regimen so he could get more sleep. AEG thought Michael was missing rehearsals because of medications from Dr. Klein and other doctors.

The suit also alleges that in the days leading up to Michael's death it was apparent he was getting weaker and weaker, at times seeming "drugged and disoriented."

The upshot of the lawsuit -- the intervention and general concern over MJ's drug use is proof Dr. Murray had no business administering Propofol and other drugs to the singer and that Dr. Murray knew he was playing with fire.

Filed under: Michael Jackson, Joe Jackson, Conrad Murray, Brian Oxman, Celebrity Justice

http://www.tmz.com/2010/08/25/joe-jacks ... ntion-aeg/

Aahahaha! Joe and Oxman are SO predictable. They're story keeps changing.

First story Oxman and Joe came up with:

First they based their lawsuit on the following argument: "Michael was a drug addict and AEG played him to exhaustion without knowing, a priori, he was a druggie. Murray, who worked for AEG, was Michael's drug dealer and ended up killing him.".

The jury told Oxman this argument was nothing but crap.

Second story Oxman and Joe came up with:

So, Oxman and Joe changed their argument. They came up with yet another strategy to sue AEG. They invented another argument: "Michael was a drug addict [calling Michael an addict is the only way they have to sue AEG] and AEG knew. This is wrong according to the American Disabilities Act.". Once again, the jury told Oxman this was pure crap and that, this way, their lawsuit would be dismissed.

Third story Oxman and Joe came up with:

So, him and his client modified their strategy and came up with a new argument. This times the argument was as the following: "Murray had a shady past and, even though AEG knew this, they still hired him. Besides, Michael was a drug addict and hiring a doctor like Murray is suspect.". Once again, the jury told Oxman this was...crap.

Fourth story Oxman and Joe came up with:

Then Oxman and Joe came up with another argument: "Murray, the night Michael died, was in a strip club and AEG knew. Michael was a drug addict and hiring an irresponsible (hence the strip club story) doctor like Murray is suspect on AEG's part.". The jury claimed this was...crap!!!

Fifth story Oxman and Joe came up with:

So, now Oxman and Joe, who are in cahoots to make AEG look guilty so they can sue it and get a payday, invented yet another strategy.

The only way they have to make it seem as if AEG was responsible for Michael's death is by using the drug addict argument. Get why Oxman, Joe and Rowe were EVERYWHERE, from day one, screaming "Michael was an addict"?

Besides, Michael didn't use Propofol because he was a junkie, contrarily to what Joe and Oxman are implying. He used it because he wanted to sleep since he was an insomniac. But Poppa and his lawyer make it seem as if Murray was feeding Michael's alleged drug addiction with Propofol. Addict or not, Propofol has NOTHING to do with that. Yet, Oxman and Joe want to make the public think that Michael was addicted to Propofol and that Murray, by gicing him that, was feeding his "addiction".

I guess that, after the autopsy confirmed the only drugs in Michael's system was Propofol and related anesthetics, Oxman and Joe had no option other than to sell the "addicted to Propofol" story. This, after the autopsy contradicted everything Oxman had been saying. Well, but with him that's never a problem: if the autopsy shows ZERO painkillers (Oxman's initial argument was to claim Michael was addicted to painkillers but the autopsy debunked him), Oxman comes up with another solution. If there is no painkillers in his system, then let's use the only drug found in his body and claim he was addicted to it so we can still have an argument to sue AEG.

[Edited 8/25/10 11:56am]

Even though I like the rough demo versions, I loved hearing it more in its "polished" sound lol

The Pointer Sisters ended up putting the song on their album, Break Out, since it didn't quite fit where Thriller was heading.

angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't quite see it that way. True Michael used the media to keep his name in the papers but he didn't know how far they would take it and when they did, of course it backtracked but not to the point where it nearly killed him. And the public are dumb for brains if they still believed he "possibly" was a child molester. It's like "really you believe that?" They could've read on the case themselves and see the truth like Aprhodite Jones did. Remember she was also in that cycle of "he did it" until she finally read up on the case and knew Michael was set up. Michael only learned the hard way that you try to set something up, someone else will set you up far worse. Plus a guy with his fame and image, I don't think it was simple to BE NORMAL. Hell he really wasn't (then again, who is?). The way he came on the scene, you think you'd be normal after selling 60 million? I don't think so.

Till this day, I have never gotten that type of vibe about him. He treats children as his pals as well as his babies.

All I'm saying is that when you intentionally paint yourself that far out of the box in a society which is as judmental and confining as ours is with it's history, past and current of xenophobia and paranoia, it spells disaster, I don't see how that can be argued.

The Wiz” with Michael Jackson on Blu-ray in November

August 25, 2010 – 1:27 PM - Posted by: Justin Sluss

Universal has officially announced plans to bring the 1978 musical “The Wiz” starring Diana Ross as well as the late Richard Pryor and Michael Jackson to Blu-ray Disc on November 30th. Tech specs include full 1080p Hi-Def video and DTS-HD 5.1 Master Audio sound on a BD-50 (50 gigabyte dual-layered Blu-ray Disc). The title is not yet available for pre-order over at Amazon but stay tuned and we’ll keep you updated. The bonus materials set to be included here sadly are slim and only includes a featurette titled “Wiz on Down the Road“.

http://www.highdefdiscnews.com/?p=50811

[Edited 8/25/10 11:56am]

MOL said:

suga10 said:

Is this all true

Aahahaha! Joe and Oxman are SO predictable. They're story keeps changing.

First story Oxman and Joe came up with:

First they based their lawsuit on the following argument: "Michael was a drug addict and AEG played him to exhaustion without knowing, a priori, he was a druggie. Murray, who worked for AEG, was Michael's drug dealer and ended up killing him.".

The jury told Oxman this argument was nothing but crap.

Second story Oxman and Joe came up with:

So, Oxman and Joe changed their argument. They came up with yet another strategy to sue AEG. They invented another argument: "Michael was a drug addict [calling Michael an addict is the only way they have to sue AEG] and AEG knew. This is wrong according to the American Disabilities Act.". Once again, the jury told Oxman this was pure crap and that, this way, their lawsuit would be dismissed.

Third story Oxman and Joe came up with:

So, him and his client modified their strategy and came up with a new argument. This times the argument was as the following: "Murray had a shady past and, even though AEG knew this, they still hired him. Besides, Michael was a drug addict and hiring a doctor like Murray is suspect.". Once again, the jury told Oxman this was...crap.

Fourth story Oxman and Joe came up with:

Then Oxman and Joe came up with another argument: "Murray, the night Michael died, was in a strip club and AEG knew. Michael was a drug addict and hiring an irresponsible (hence the strip club story) doctor like Murray is suspect on AEG's part.". The jury claimed this was...crap!!!

Fifth story Oxman and Joe came up with:

So, now Oxman and Joe, who are in cahoots to make AEG look guilty so they can sue it and get a payday, invented yet another strategy.

The only way they have to make it seem as if AEG was responsible for Michael's death is by using the drug addict argument. Get why Oxman, Joe and Rowe were EVERYWHERE, from day one, screaming "Michael was an addict"?

Besides, Michael didn't use Propofol because he was a junkie, contrarily to what Joe and Oxman are implying. He used it because he wanted to sleep since he was an insomniac. But Poppa and his lawyer make it seem as if Murray was feeding Michael's alleged drug addiction with Propofol. Addict or not, Propofol has NOTHING to do with that. Yet, Oxman and Joe want to make the public think that Michael was addicted to Propofol and that Murray, by gicing him that, was feeding his "addiction".

I guess that, after the autopsy confirmed there were zero painkillers in Michae's

Sometimes i wonder if this shit is all a hoax.

This whole Murray thing keeps getting delayed and delayed and nothing happens.

Media Blackout in addition to the case- except TMZ

[Edited 8/25/10 12:01pm]

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From bottom to top: Marlon, La Toya, Jermaine, Tito, Jackie, Michael.

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mozfonky said:

angel345 said:

Till this day, I have never gotten that type of vibe about him. He treats children as his pals as well as his babies.

All I'm saying is that when you intentionally paint yourself that far out of the box in a society which is as judmental and confining as ours is with it's history, past and current of xenophobia and paranoia, it spells disaster, I don't see how that can be argued.

Well, as I admitted before, some of the stuff he did for attention in this society came to bit him in the face. I believe that it is best to evaluate a person for yourself, instead of parroting what the media has said. Their sole purpose is to sell stories, and MJ has mentioned this many times.

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You know one valuable lesson Michael has taught me besides the willing to do the best that you can is to not trust the media with stories I hear. I know I backtrack sometimes when it comes to celebrities but I realize 90% of what is put out there is false. That's what Michael taught me.