Swa said:

^^ Doubles - oh come on now. There were no doubles used in This Is It. I have watched that film more times than I care to mention and trust me there is no use of doubles. What they do is cut up various rehearsals over serveral weeks and put them together - WBSS is a classic example of this. They pull together pieces of the performance from various takes depending on the coverage they had to add more excitement to the film.

If anyone can point out a real double then be glad to see it.

Swa

I have a hard time believing that it was all Michael through that whole movie. Why would Karen Faye- his makeup artist- have such issues against this movie if it was a really genuine film.

Why would Janet not bother to see the movie? Why did LaToya and Joe ignore the movie?

[Edited 8/23/10 21:49pm]

Karen had an issue with the film as she felt that Michael would only have wanted the world to see the finish product as he was a perfectionist.

Janet didn't see the film as the pain of her brother's death was too real and raw to see.

La Toya and Joe - I don't know why as I haven't read any of their thoughts about it.

Also of the brother's whilst all of them went to the premier Jackie didn't go into the actual viewing as he felt it was too raw still for him.

As I am sure you understand this was their brother and son dying, and to have a film out of his last rehearsals was probably a very real pain for them to confront.

I understand you have a difficulty believing it was MJ all the way through, but when you factor in that a lot of the stuff show in out of chronological sequence then you start to understand some of the fluctuations in appearance and weight.

Also if there was a double - that person would be making big time money now as an impersonator - and no one is that good at covering Michael.

Swa said:

Karen had an issue with the film as she felt that Michael would only have wanted the world to see the finish product as he was a perfectionist.

Janet didn't see the film as the pain of her brother's death was too real and raw to see.

La Toya and Joe - I don't know why as I haven't read any of their thoughts about it.

Also of the brother's whilst all of them went to the premier Jackie didn't go into the actual viewing as he felt it was too raw still for him.

As I am sure you understand this was their brother and son dying, and to have a film out of his last rehearsals was probably a very real pain for them to confront.

I understand you have a difficulty believing it was MJ all the way through, but when you factor in that a lot of the stuff show in out of chronological sequence then you start to understand some of the fluctuations in appearance and weight.

Also if there was a double - that person would be making big time money now as an impersonator - and no one is that good at covering Michael.

I thought Jackie saw it and Tito was the one that didn't see it? That's how I remember it on Jackson Family Dynasty

[img:$uid]http://www.designfreebies.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/michael-jackson-digital-art-4.jpg[/img:$uid]

[Edited 8/23/10 23:25pm]

Swa said:

Karen had an issue with the film as she felt that Michael would only have wanted the world to see the finish product as he was a perfectionist.

Janet didn't see the film as the pain of her brother's death was too real and raw to see.

La Toya and Joe - I don't know why as I haven't read any of their thoughts about it.

Also of the brother's whilst all of them went to the premier Jackie didn't go into the actual viewing as he felt it was too raw still for him.

As I am sure you understand this was their brother and son dying, and to have a film out of his last rehearsals was probably a very real pain for them to confront.

I understand you have a difficulty believing it was MJ all the way through, but when you factor in that a lot of the stuff show in out of chronological sequence then you start to understand some of the fluctuations in appearance and weight.

Also if there was a double - that person would be making big time money now as an impersonator - and no one is that good at covering Michael.

Pretty much.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Swa said:

Karen had an issue with the film as she felt that Michael would only have wanted the world to see the finish product as he was a perfectionist.

Janet didn't see the film as the pain of her brother's death was too real and raw to see.

La Toya and Joe - I don't know why as I haven't read any of their thoughts about it.

Also of the brother's whilst all of them went to the premier Jackie didn't go into the actual viewing as he felt it was too raw still for him.

As I am sure you understand this was their brother and son dying, and to have a film out of his last rehearsals was probably a very real pain for them to confront.

I understand you have a difficulty believing it was MJ all the way through, but when you factor in that a lot of the stuff show in out of chronological sequence then you start to understand some of the fluctuations in appearance and weight.

Also if there was a double - that person would be making big time money now as an impersonator - and no one is that good at covering Michael.

I thought Jackie saw it and Tito was the one that didn't see it? That's how I remember it on Jackson Family Dynasty

I think Jackie said he didn't see it.

I was listening to Sunset Driver and it made me wonder, is it officially an OFF THE WALL outtake? I once saw on some MJ website that it was actually an outtake from either Destiny or Triumph. It's possible it can be an outtake for one of the 3, if not, ALL 3.

Destiny (1977-1978)

Off The Wall (1978-1979)

Triumph (1979-1980)

MJ was working on OTW while he was working on both Destiny and Triumph albums.

ViintageJunkiie said:

I was listening to Sunset Driver and it made me wonder, is it officially an OFF THE WALL outtake? I once saw on some MJ website that it was actually an outtake from either Destiny or Triumph. It's possible it can be an outtake for one of the 3, if not, ALL 3.

Destiny (1977-1978)

Off The Wall (1978-1979)

Triumph (1979-1980)

MJ was working on OTW while he was working on both Destiny and Triumph albums.

It sounded 1982-ish to me like he was preparing that one for the Thriller album... then again who knows. It's just that the sound was more modern than the demos from the Destiny/OTW sessions. It was likely probably for Triumph but who knows?

[Edited 8/23/10 23:35pm]

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I was listening to Sunset Driver and it made me wonder, is it officially an OFF THE WALL outtake? I once saw on some MJ website that it was actually an outtake from either Destiny or Triumph. It's possible it can be an outtake for one of the 3, if not, ALL 3.

Destiny (1977-1978)

Off The Wall (1978-1979)

Triumph (1979-1980)

MJ was working on OTW while he was working on both Destiny and Triumph albums.

It sounded 1982-ish to me like he was preparing that one for the Thriller album... then again who knows. It's just that the sound was more modern than the demos from the Destiny/OTW sessions. It was likely probably for Triumph but who knows?

[Edited 8/23/10 23:35pm]

I do remember reading that the "demo" that leaked is in fact from 1982, but you know how they like to switch years around (see For All Time being put on Thriller 25 as a Thriller outtake when it was recorded during Dangerous session)

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

It sounded 1982-ish to me like he was preparing that one for the Thriller album... then again who knows. It's just that the sound was more modern than the demos from the Destiny/OTW sessions. It was likely probably for Triumph but who knows?

[Edited 8/23/10 23:35pm]

I do remember reading that the "demo" that leaked is in fact from 1982, but you know how they like to switch years around (see For All Time being put on Thriller 25 as a Thriller outtake when it was recorded during Dangerous session)

True.

Timmy84 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I do remember reading that the "demo" that leaked is in fact from 1982, but you know how they like to switch years around (see For All Time being put on Thriller 25 as a Thriller outtake when it was recorded during Dangerous session)

True.

Makes me wonder. Bboy, we need your assistance! lol

ViintageJunkiie said:

Timmy84 said:

True.

Makes me wonder. Bboy, we need your assistance! lol

He IS in the building.

ViintageJunkiie said:

I was listening to Sunset Driver and it made me wonder, is it officially an OFF THE WALL outtake? I once saw on some MJ website that it was actually an outtake from either Destiny or Triumph. It's possible it can be an outtake for one of the 3, if not, ALL 3.

Destiny (1977-1978)

Off The Wall (1978-1979)

Triumph (1979-1980)

MJ was working on OTW while he was working on both Destiny and Triumph albums.

We were talking about it on MJJVault awhile back. I think it's like the case of Streetwalker. Michael recorded it for that particular album but then reworked it later on. Not to mention Sunset Driver is a studio demo and worked on by Michael and Greg Philliganes and they used alot of synth and percussion in their demos together, but's definitely possible that an earlier version from the Off The Wall sessions

I just found out that the version of In The Back on The Ultimate Collection is the early version. Michael and Brad Buxer worked on it more and there's a more finished version apparently

Yall Mickey Fickeys still talking about Michael?

(I just typed that so that I could hold my space in the thread).

suga10 said:

Vanilli said:

Which scenes do you think the "tons of doubles" were used in? Tell me more.

Wanna Be Starting Something (Barring that portion where he's wear the TDCAU outfit) Human Nature and Billie Jean Michael's look too different compared to Michael in the Jackson 5 Medley, Black or White.

This is Michael in the last two videos for sure.

Also how could Michael go from looking like this- horrid (definitely a double)

[img:$uid]http://mjjgallery.free.fr/2009/thisisit/trailers/125.jpg[/img:$uid]

To nice looking here (The Real Michael)

[img:$uid]http://en.michaeljackson.ro/photo/michael-jackson-this-is-it(424)-m-2.jpg[/img:$uid]

[Edited 8/23/10 20:46pm]

[Edited 8/23/10 20:46pm]

[Edited 8/23/10 20:47pm]

Michael's nose looked different....not convinced on the doubles thing. As far as I know,a double(stunt double) was used during SC and the stair part,and nothing more.

mozfonky said:

Unholyalliance said:

I remember watching This Is It and my friend was like "Omg he's so thin. He looks so sick." Then I had to remind her that the man was 50 years old. After a certain point in your life you aren't able to rock the skinny look anymore. (Maybe some people can, but I'm sure they are far and few in between.) When you are older, some meat on your bones is very good for you. It gives you a much healthier look. Michael rocked that weight a whole lot better when he was in his late teens/early 20s than later imho.

Even with all that, I still felt that he looked way better for those concerts than he did during the MSG shows/Invincible era. He kinda looked as if he had lost his neck. Kinda like some of his other brothers.

that's very true, he was 50, but he looked so pale, so gaunt in the face too, maybe it's just my imagination but he looked like he bit off too much.

Yeah, Mike did look way too skinny, pale etc. But looking at Prince these days, he seems to be as skinny. On the other hand, if Mike didn´t sleep, of course, he´s not gonna look fresh and all that. I think it was him in TII.

bboy87 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I was listening to Sunset Driver and it made me wonder, is it officially an OFF THE WALL outtake? I once saw on some MJ website that it was actually an outtake from either Destiny or Triumph. It's possible it can be an outtake for one of the 3, if not, ALL 3.

Destiny (1977-1978)

Off The Wall (1978-1979)

Triumph (1979-1980)

MJ was working on OTW while he was working on both Destiny and Triumph albums.

We were talking about it on MJJVault awhile back. I think it's like the case of Streetwalker. Michael recorded it for that particular album but then reworked it later on. Not to mention Sunset Driver is a studio demo and worked on by Michael and Greg Philliganes and they used alot of synth and percussion in their demos together, but's definitely possible that an earlier version from the Off The Wall sessions

I just found out that the version of In The Back on The Ultimate Collection is the early version. Michael and Brad Buxer worked on it more and there's a more finished version apparently

Interesting.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/gaming/2010-08-24-mjgame24_ST_N.htm

Get ready to experience Michael Jackson the video game

Dancing is eternal.

More than a year after the pop icon's death, Michael Jackson has a new video game on the way, one that teaches players to moonwalk, spin and slide like the King of Pop once did.

Michael Jackson The Experience, due in November for Wii, Xbox, PS3, PSP and DS (rated E10+ for ages 10 and up), lets players try to match some of his classic moves.

John Branca and John McClain, co-executors of the Michael Jackson estate, say they had been looking for a video game to showcase his legacy. (His last game, Moonwalker, in the early '90s, had him dancing to defeat "Mr. Big" and save the children.)

"The game needed to incorporate Michael's music and dance moves into the most innovative technology available, continually pushing the envelope at each turn," according to an e-mail by their press representative.

With the Wii version, you wave the wireless remote to mimic the moves of an on-screen dancer that resembles Jackson. To the right of the screen, upcoming steps scroll by, showing you where to position the remote as you shake your body down to the ground to Bad, Beat It, Billie Jean, Workin' Day and Night and The Girl Is Mine, among other hits.

The Xbox 360 version will use Microsoft's upcoming Kinect full-body control system to track the player's moves, and its camera will project the player into the game environments, all based on Jackson's videos and concerts. The PS3 version will use the motion-tracking PlayStation Move technology. (In the Wii version, up to three additional players can sing along with the dancing player, but their performance doesn't affect the score.)

The Experience continues Jackson's posthumous portfolio diversification:

•Last year's film This Is It, which documented Jackson's rehearsals for a comeback, was a global box office hit. The soundtrack went double platinum, 1.6 million copies; on video, This Is It sold more than 1.2 million.

•An album of unreleased material is due in November.

•A Cirque du Soleil show based on his music is expected to begin touring in fall 2011; a permanent show is set to open in Las Vegas in late 2012.

The video game's strength is that players will "know what it feels like to be in his shoes, performing in front of millions," says Ubisoft's Antoine Vimal Du Monteil.

To be good at the game takes talent, so fortunately, the developers have included rehearsal tutorials, says Andy Burt of GamePro magazine. The game "has the potential to be competitive in a crowded market," he says. "It will no doubt prove popular with both fans and casual listeners of his music."

ViintageJunkiie said:

Swa said:

Karen had an issue with the film as she felt that Michael would only have wanted the world to see the finish product as he was a perfectionist.

Janet didn't see the film as the pain of her brother's death was too real and raw to see.

La Toya and Joe - I don't know why as I haven't read any of their thoughts about it.

Also of the brother's whilst all of them went to the premier Jackie didn't go into the actual viewing as he felt it was too raw still for him.

As I am sure you understand this was their brother and son dying, and to have a film out of his last rehearsals was probably a very real pain for them to confront.

I understand you have a difficulty believing it was MJ all the way through, but when you factor in that a lot of the stuff show in out of chronological sequence then you start to understand some of the fluctuations in appearance and weight.

Also if there was a double - that person would be making big time money now as an impersonator - and no one is that good at covering Michael.

I thought Jackie saw it and Tito was the one that didn't see it? That's how I remember it on Jackson Family Dynasty

You are correct. As I was writing this (at work) a little voice in the back of my mind was saying it was Tito. Thanks for the correction.

Swa

Blood on the Dance Floor

With the HiStory tour still swirling around the globe, Blood On The Dance Floor seemed like a quick (some might argue) rushed release to quickly follow and keep the momentum going. Perhaps knowing that a short time between albums was a rare thing when it came to Michael, Sony cobbled together this strange mix of remix material and new songs – though just how new was debatable.

Blood On The Dance Floor was initially recorded as part of Dangerous and didn’t see the light of day until 6 years later here. With a beat reminiscent of Remember The Time (and bass groove of Do The Bart Man) Jackson layers his vocals in almost hushed tones in the verses before moving into full voice in the chorus. As if seducing the listener in the same way the song’s temptress does, the song slinks along and teases with the promise of more but doesn’t truly realise its potential. A tad generic in its composition it is a solid track but offers nothing new of fresh to Jacksons catalogue.

Thankfully Morphine did offer something new. Dark, and eerie, Morphine is one of Jackson’s most experimental and perplexing songs. Half seductive hard hitting industrial funk, half dreamscape orchestral, the song has a rough edge to it that sharpens its teeth as Michael bites off the lyrics and spits them out. Almost abrasive the track grabs the listener and doesn’t let go only offering moments of respite as Michael sings “trust in me, just in me” in soothing and seductive tones. Partly confessional, the song gives us a peek into Michael’s darker side retelling (and foretelling) his addiction to pain killers and Demerol and contains samples from Jackson’s favourite film The Elephant Man. It’s as if in each verse Michael layouts out all the factors in his life that are pushing him to the edge; the mistrust, the paranoia, the double crosses, those just after another cut and then when the song drifts off to a sweeping orchestral break the soothing appeal of the drug itself is on display before the come down back to reality kicks back in. Morphine will always be a song that is close to the bone, but like all great art it has a boldness to it and tension.

Whereas Morphine pushed into new territory. Superfly Sister sounded dated from the very first beat. For some reason it feels not quite finished, and more of a demo guide that a finished song. Its funky vocal groove has Michael working his way through the verses without taking a breath before sliding into the chorus. With its tale of lust and sexual manipulation on display the song has a rawer funk edge to it than some of his other work of the time, but ultimately it sounds like a poorer sister to many of the tracks on Dangerous. Not so Superfly after all.

For many fans there will always be a debate between Ghost and Is It Scary? For mine, Ghost offers a richer listening experience. With a hard to resist groove that swings its way through the verses before thumping home in the chorus. The vocal harmonies also feel richer as they ask “who gave you the right to share my family tree”. Lyrically Michael seems to be taking aim at certain members of his family with reference to back stabbing jealousy and selling him out. But of course, in typical Michael style he wraps all this anger and venom into an irresistible song that makes you want to get up and move.

With a soothing introduction Is It Scary soon turns ominous and threatening as wind slowly builds, doors creak and the beat shuffles along. Michael’s lyrics here share similar themes with Ghost, but this time seems to reflect the wacko jacko role the world has created for him. Half asking if this is the role they want him to play, and half taunting that well if that’s the case you ain't seen nothing yet Michael teases “if you want to see eccentric comedies, I’ll be grotesque before your eyes”. The chorus with a harder rockier feel flips the subject matter and lays out the thought that perhaps the strange and curious creature is not Michael but the public that almost demand oddities from him. At times Is It Scary packs a bit of a punch, and stretches Michael musical canon but at the same time seems to dwell a little too much in the same themes of Thriller, and Threatened. Maybe this time round though his anger and feeling of being victimised was warranted.

The rest of the album featuring remixes is a bit hit and miss as most fail to bring a fresh perspective to the tracks of HiStory, although credit must be given to including two non singles in the form of Money and 2Bad which were some of HiStory’s strongest moments.

Not quite a new album, nor a convincing remix project, Blood On The Dance Floor remains an oddity in the Jackson collection that save for Morphine (and perhaps Ghost) doesn’t really add anything new and inventive to his catalogue. Gone was the emotional rawness of HiStory with it’s painfully personal lyrics (again Morphine is the exception) in stead Michael seems content to drift back into a world of visual and lyrical fantasy to convey his message and focuses more to finding his place back on the dance floor. Whether or not it is to be considered an album, I am thankful that Michael was brave enough to include Morphine and confront some of his demon's so courageously in song. For that reason alone BOTD is a must have.

"Morphine"

He got flack baby

Kick in the back baby

A heart attack baby

I ain’t your rival

A hot kiss honey

He's dug the ditch baby

You make me sick baby

So unreliable

Such a swine baby

All down the line daddy

I hate your kind baby

So unreliable

A hot buzz baby

He wants the buzz baby

Another drug baby

You so desire

Trust in me

Trust in me

Put all your trust in me

You're doin' morphine

Hoo!

He’s got the place baby

Kicked in the face baby

He hate your race baby

You're just a liar

Your every lick baby

Your dog's a bitch baby

You make me sick baby

You talk survival

Another cut from me

Another book baby

I got to work baby

You just a rival

A razor blade daddy

Right up your leg daddy

You're throwing shade daddy

So undesirable

Trust in me

Just in me

Put all your trust in me

You're doin' morphine

Go'on babe

Relax

This won't hurt you

Before I put it in

Close your eyes and count to ten

Don't cry

I won't convert you

There's no need to dismay

Close your eyes and drift away

Demerol

Demerol

Oh God he's taking Demerol

Demerol

Demerol

Oh God he's taking Demerol

He's tried

Hard to convince her

To give more of what he had

Today he wants it twice as bad

Don't cry

I won't resent you

Yesterday you had his trust

Today he's taking twice as much

Demerol

Demerol

Oh God he's taking Demerol

Hee-hee-hee

Demerol

Demerol

Oh my His God is Demerol

Hee

Oooh

Oh!

He got hit baby

Your dog's a bitch baby

You make me sick baby

You are a liar

Is truth a game daddy?

To win the fame baby

It's all the same baby

You're so reliable

Trust in me

Trust in me

Put all your trust in me

She's doin' morphine

Hoo!

You just sit around just talkin' nothing

You're takin' morphine

Hoo!

Go'on baby

You just sit around just talking about it

You're takin' morphine

Hoo-hoo!

Just sit around just talking nothing about it

You're takin' morphine

You just sit around just talking about it

You're taking morphine

You just sit around just talkin' nothin'

And takin' morphine

Hoo-hoo

I'm going down baby

You're talkin' Morphine

Go'on baby!

Hoo!

Hoo!

Morphine!

Do it!

Hoo!

He's takin' morphine

Morphine!

Morphine!

I feel Sunset Driver gives me the same Vibe as the songs from The Wiz or Off the Wall so I believe i was written for Off The wall greatly. Possibly Triumph since the album combined the sounds of Destiny and OTW as MJ admitted in Moonwalk though I believe it stands on it's own.

I never believed in the doubles theory at all, but sometimes he just looked very different in the scene with the silver jacket, orange pants and sunglasses though I think it was lighting and weight. I think it was Joe who was saying he won't see the movie and trying to say it was a double, but he was also claiming Omar was his son, so I don't take him seriously with anything

I love how on Sunset Driver he's working "the word is out that you're doing wrong".

That line along with "throwing rocks to hide your hands" has appeared in a few MJ songs.

Swa said:

I love how on Sunset Driver he's working "the word is out that you're doing wrong".

That line along with "throwing rocks to hide your hands" has appeared in a few MJ songs.

yeah I caught that too, it reminded me of the Bad extended mix with all those adlibs

Swa said:

I love how on Sunset Driver he's working "the word is out that you're doing wrong".

That line along with "throwing rocks to hide your hands" has appeared in a few MJ songs.

"TOLD ya that you been doing wrong" - 2 Bad

[Edited 8/24/10 2:04am]

Timmy84 said:

Swa said:

I love how on Sunset Driver he's working "the word is out that you're doing wrong".

That line along with "throwing rocks to hide your hands" has appeared in a few MJ songs.

"TOLD ya that you been doing wrong" - 2 Bad

[Edited 8/24/10 2:04am]

And in.....

I remember my friend who gave me HIStory for my birthday was telling me about 2bad and singing it before she gave it to me, and I was like "but he already did Bad" and thought of it as a 'part 2' maybe that's why he put a 2 in it on purpose, 2Bad instead of Bad 2, or cause things were too bad at that point, and too bad cause no one got to him like they wanted cause he's that 'bad-ass'

[Edited 8/24/10 3:23am]

suga10 said:

Swa said:

^^ Doubles - oh come on now. There were no doubles used in This Is It. I have watched that film more times than I care to mention and trust me there is no use of doubles. What they do is cut up various rehearsals over serveral weeks and put them together - WBSS is a classic example of this. They pull together pieces of the performance from various takes depending on the coverage they had to add more excitement to the film.

If anyone can point out a real double then be glad to see it.

Swa

I have a hard time believing that it was all Michael through that whole movie. Why would Karen Faye- his makeup artist- have such issues against this movie if it was a really genuine film.

Why would Janet not bother to see the movie? Why did LaToya and Joe ignore the movie?

[Edited 8/23/10 21:49pm]

Janet didn't watch the movie because of the pain seeing her brother alive instilled in her.

Joe and Latoys were the ones who started the doubles rumors. They were the ones who, as soon as they realized they were not getting a paycheck (remember the schemes Joe came up with in order to get a % of the movie?) started this whole "there are body doubles in the movie" B.S..

Karen Faye, prior to Michael's death, was amazingly excited over the concerts. She would talk about how strong and ready Michael was and how she looked forward to the 02 dates. Then MJ dies and Faye's tone completely changes.

The truth is: Michael was strong and ready for the concerts. The "he was weak, uncapable, drugged, forced and frail" was invented by some vultures (we all know who those 4 are) as soon as they realized they couldn't worm their way into AEG's payroll and as soon as their Texas pay-per-view concert was denied by MJ.

EVERYBODY who was in contact with Michael claims he was strong, healthy and ready. Then, on the other hand, you have the likes of Latoya, Leonard Rowe, Oxman and Joe saying the contrary. Someone is lying and we know DAMN WELL who is doing so. It's not as if the ones who rant about MJ's invented poor health didn't have an agenda that includes creating a lawsuit against AEG in hopes to get an enormous payday.

[img:$uid]http://img830.i.../img:$uid]
[img:$uid]http://img101.i.../img:$uid]

MOL said:

suga10 said:

I have a hard time believing that it was all Michael through that whole movie. Why would Karen Faye- his makeup artist- have such issues against this movie if it was a really genuine film.

Why would Janet not bother to see the movie? Why did LaToya and Joe ignore the movie?

[Edited 8/23/10 21:49pm]

Janet didn't watch the movie because of the pain seeing her brother alive instilled in her.

Joe and Latoys were the ones who started the doubles rumors. They were the ones who, as soon as they realized they were not getting a paycheck (remember the schemes Joe came up with in order to get a % of the movie?) started this whole "there are body doubles in the movie" B.S..

Karen Faye, prior to Michael's death, was amazingly excited over the concerts. She would talk about how strong and ready Michael was and how she looked forward to the 02 dates. Then MJ dies and Faye's tone completely changes.

The truth is: Michael was strong and ready for the concerts. The "he was weak, uncapable, drugged, forced and frail" was invented by some vultures (we all know who those 4 are) as soon as they realized they couldn't worm their way into AEG's payroll and as soon as their Texas pay-per-view concert was denied by MJ.

EVERYBODY who was in contact with Michael claims he was strong, healthy and ready. Then, on the other hand, you have the likes of Latoya, Leonard Rowe, Oxman and Joe saying the contrary. Someone is lying and we know DAMN WELL who is doing so. It's not as if the ones who rant about MJ's invented poor health didn't have an agenda that includes creating a lawsuit against AEG in hopes to get an enormous payday.

There's no way Michael was capable of doing 50 shows. At the most he could have done 10, but the promoters thought it would generate more money for them by adding more shows and we all know that its all about the money.

When you have some doctor giving propofol to somebody on daily basis for no valid reason, that is not healthy by any means.

And did you not hear what Klein said on TMZ to Harvey, he said the family was trying to get him help right before he died. He also forbid Harvey to say the name of the doctor who was going to treat Michael for rehab. And also how about how Grace had talked to Klein.

[Edited 8/24/10 8:51am]

The only doubles in TII is in the SC Dome Project scenes where he's sliding down the banister and also the silhouette with the dancers may be a double.

Every other scene is THE Michael Jackson. Anybody who thinks otherwise obviously doesn't know what he looks like very well. Any self-respecting fan can spot a lookalike a mile off.