I have a question. I was looking at the This Is It cd inlay I've always wanted to know what this quote meant on the back of the cd.

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Timmy84 said:

greatpink said:

"I see you" (and you made a few very interesting posts here, indeed)

Now, seriously, there is something in this story of love-hate attitude to Joe from the side of MJ that won't add up - for me.

Yeah, he is a brutal monster with the whip, but the real, deep harm to a child is usually done not through the beating - and Joe appears to me to be too... "straight out" (?) for something like this. Too "stupid", if you wish.

I don't mean sexual abuse, if something; I mean the psychic terror, mental pressure, manipulations and brainwashing - all that things that are much more horrible than any parental beatings and do to kids by far greater damage... Beating alone is usually quickly forgotten

I'm just gonna say this and leave this alone and don't look for me to debate but have you guys heard of:

Psychological abuse

Mental abuse

Verbal abuse

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THAT abuse hurts even more than the hits. Believe me.

That is what I've been trying to say. And - yeeeeees, I believe you (!)

That is, Joe appears (to me) too forthright for a really skillful mental abuse. Him as psychologist... please.

Don't look for you to debate

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

And Trust Me I studied Michael too , his life etc but its tired now to me.

It's been the same old song for, what, 17 years now? And yes I meant even before Michael's death. I've been discussing it at Michael forums, I've been discussing it here, it's tired.

greatpink said:

Timmy84 said:

I'm just gonna say this and leave this alone and don't look for me to debate but have you guys heard of:

Psychological abuse

Mental abuse

Verbal abuse

----

THAT abuse hurts even more than the hits. Believe me.

That is what I've been trying to say. And - yeeeeees, I believe you (!)

That is, Joe appears (to me) too forthright for a really skillful mental abuse. Him as psychologist... please.

Don't look for you to debate

Greatpink: one doesn't need to be intelligent in order to mentally abuse another person. One just needs to be evil. And, in that particular matter, Joe is a champion. It's known that he mentally, emotionally and verbally abused and bullied Michael so there's no way around. Here's a man who would have sex with anything that had a skirt on and, yet, made sure his kids knew it. Here's a man who had a daughter out of the wedlock and did everything in his power to show his kids that he loved her (while treating the others like slaves). I could go on and on and on.

suga10 said:

I have a question. I was looking at the This Is It cd inlay I've always wanted to know what this quote meant on the back of the cd.

"This album is dedicated to Michael's children Prince Michael, Paris, and Blanket. Always great to sing with my Brother" Seems random.

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MOL said:

Why, in the blue hell, do people credit Joe for Michael's achievements? In my point of view, Michael would have made it without him. Mozfonky: Joe wasn't just like the other black parents. He was a sex addicted person who saw his children as nothing more than objects which he could use, abuse, exploit and harass.

suga10 said:

MOL said:

Why, in the blue hell, do people credit Joe for Michael's achievements? In my point of view, Michael would have made it without him. Mozfonky: Joe wasn't just like the other black parents. He was a sex addicted person who saw his children as nothing more than objects which he could use, abuse, exploit and harass.

Sorry but you have to give credit where's it due. There's no way the whole family would have gotten where it has today if it was not for Joe. They just would have been a normal family living Gary.

And Katherine had nothing to do with that? Truth is Michael wanted it MORE than Joe I don't know why you would even think he deserves any credit for any success they got later. His impact was actually minimal to what some people give him. So no I can't look at it from his side. His only credit is getting his kids out of Gary, whoop-de-doo. Ain't like people gonna credit Marvin Gay, Sr. for making an impact on Marvin Gaye, Jr.'s life. Everything else was the results of the hard work by the Motown empire, Quincy Jones and Michael Jackson himself.

Told ya I wasn't gonna debate but dammit suga.

Does anybody the news about a movie Michael was working on MidKnight? This was around the Dangerous era...

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

It's been the same old song for, what, 17 years now? And yes I meant even before Michael's death. I've been discussing it at Michael forums, I've been discussing it here, it's tired.

Exactly , I always enjoy michael by myself like I been doing way before he past. I can't talk with other fans if they going to bring the EXTRA in it ...LOL

Problem is they got too emotionally involved in it as if they were HIS relatives. Even his relatives didn't know Michael that well. I don't think talking about his life would solve any questions people have of Michael. It's surely not gonna serve his memory if all we keep bringing up is what he did with his rat in 1972.

bboy87 said:

Does anybody the news about a movie Michael was working on MidKnight? This was around the Dangerous era...

Hmm... I don't know, it's been so long I could barely think of him doing a movie around that time...

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if you know too much information to discuss it, I think you are ready to teach a michael jackson course! So many people have told me I should do it, though I know I can never be strong enough for it and too emotional for it, death or not

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Nice picture ^^

alphastreet said:

if you know too much information to discuss it, I think you are ready to teach a michael jackson course! So many people have told me I should do it, though I know I can never be strong enough for it and too emotional for it, death or not

Depends on WHAT information they want you to do.

A bit of new album info was posted on the MJstar Facebook page:

Michael Jackson`s New Album Details with Track List: First Exclusive Inside Info

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