MyLuv229 said:

WHY IS THE TRIAL GETTING PUSHED BACK AGAIN?! WHY WHY WHY. It's like the world just doesnt give a eff. THere's enough evidence in that damn autopsy report. Doesn't anyone just see that?! It proved Muray's testimony wrong. That's it - throw his ass in jail! I gotta wait for Murary to dip in the pool and take some more kiddy pictures again?! What's next, him skipping at some carnival passing around cotton candy to kids?!!! I'M SO SICK OF THIS!!! SOMEONE JUST KILL HIM! KILL HIM!!!!!!!

Its all very bizzare to say the least.

^^ Sorry, had to vent a little. It's just frustrating. My usual rational self normally dismisses biases and focuses on facts (which isn't a far cry that Murray is guilty).

*Ahem* Shall we get back to discussing Michael's music?

MyLuv229 said:

^^ Sorry, had to vent a little. It's just frustrating. My usual rational self normally dismisses biases and focuses on facts (which isn't a far cry that Murray is guilty).

*Ahem* Shall we get back to discussing Michael's music?

Hell yeah.

From Joyful Jukebox Music.

Someone talked about Lady in my life a few posts back and I realized I hadn't heard this song in a long time!!

Lady in my Life (uncut)

MyLuv229 said:

Someone talked about Lady in my life a few posts back and I realized I hadn't heard this song in a long time!!

Lady in my Life (uncut)

This song right here proves Michael was one of the greatest soul singers of all time.

Timmy84 said:

MyLuv229 said:

Someone talked about Lady in my life a few posts back and I realized I hadn't heard this song in a long time!!

Lady in my Life (uncut)

This song right here proves Michael was one of the greatest soul singers of all time.

I feel he's underappreciated when it comes to his singing. Maybe it's just me.

MOL said:

mozfonky said:

I bought this is it the other day and unlike the Bucharest shows, it really makes me sad. He just doesn't look well to me, he looks unhealthy and frail. I still can't believe he weighed 136 when he supposedly usually weighed about 120. He didn't come close to filling out the clothes. Because the entire show was centered around him it just makes the other people look like oppurtunists because you know they had to know he wasn't really up to the shows. Not that he couldn't have done it, but that he couldn't have done it well. I'm sure the fans would have loved whatever he did though. I'm glad it's taped and filmed because we'll never get to see him again but it's very bittersweet for me.

Michael wasn't neither unhealthy nor frail. You're listening too much to Joe Jackson B.S..

His autopsy claims he weighed 136 pounds so, unless you have been brainwashed by Leo Rowe and Joe, you have to believe it. He was up to the shows and the only oportunistic people are the ones who were not in the shows yet wanted to be.

That whole "he was frail, weak and uncapable" argument is getting tiring. By now, most know it's nothing but made up shit used in hopes to create a lawsuit against AEG (smells like payday). It's already hard to listen to vultures and vampires like Joe, Oxman and Rowe saying it...but having fans doing the same is simply unbearable.

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His dancers said that MJ was in very good shape the day before he died. Therefore, somebody is lying.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

This song right here proves Michael was one of the greatest soul singers of all time.

I feel he's underappreciated when it comes to his singing. Maybe it's just me.

No you're not. He approached songs in a way many of us would have had difficulty especially with the vocals he had. When you think about it, especially going back to the Motown days, it's remarkable it gets overlooked.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

I feel he's underappreciated when it comes to his singing. Maybe it's just me.

No you're not. He approached songs in a way many of us would have had difficulty especially with the vocals he had. When you think about it, especially going back to the Motown days, it's remarkable it gets overlooked.

I know and for a kid at that (at that time).

angel345 said:

MOL said:

Michael wasn't neither unhealthy nor frail. You're listening too much to Joe Jackson B.S..

His autopsy claims he weighed 136 pounds so, unless you have been brainwashed by Leo Rowe and Joe, you have to believe it. He was up to the shows and the only oportunistic people are the ones who were not in the shows yet wanted to be.

That whole "he was frail, weak and uncapable" argument is getting tiring. By now, most know it's nothing but made up shit used in hopes to create a lawsuit against AEG (smells like payday). It's already hard to listen to vultures and vampires like Joe, Oxman and Rowe saying it...but having fans doing the same is simply unbearable.

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His dancers said that MJ was in very good shape the day before he died. Therefore, somebody is lying.

There were definitely doubles used in the movie.

I think it was the real Michael in the Jackson 5 medley, Black or White, Smooth Criminal vintage clip, Jam, They Don't Care About Us, The Way You Make Me Feel, and Threatened.

Janet hasn't seen the film till date so that obviously says a lot. Neither has Joe, or LaToya.

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babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

No you're not. He approached songs in a way many of us would have had difficulty especially with the vocals he had. When you think about it, especially going back to the Motown days, it's remarkable it gets overlooked.

I know and for a kid at that (at that time).

I knew dude was special when I heard Who's Loving You. The guy was still ten when they recorded that song in Hitsville (they didn't go to California until late July '69) in Detroit and to hit those notes while the Funk Brothers and Detroit Symphony were laying down the music... it was truly majestic. That's when I knew Michael was more than just a pop star.

suga10 said:

angel345 said:

His dancers said that MJ was in very good shape the day before he died. Therefore, somebody is lying.

You can tell there were a ton of doubles used in This is It.

I think it was the real Michael in the Jackson 5 medley, Black or White, Smooth Criminal vintage clip, Jam, They Don't Care About Us, and The Way You Make Me Feel, Threatened

Which scenes do you think the "tons of doubles" were used in? Tell me more.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

I know and for a kid at that (at that time).

I knew dude was special when I heard Who's Loving You. The guy was still ten when they recorded that song in Hitsville (they didn't go to California until late July '69) in Detroit and to hit those notes while the Funk Brothers and Detroit Symphony were laying down the music... it was truly majestic. That's when I knew Michael was more than just a pop star.

I'll keep my mouth shut on the doubles thing , just as bad as people thinking he still alive.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I knew dude was special when I heard Who's Loving You. The guy was still ten when they recorded that song in Hitsville (they didn't go to California until late July '69) in Detroit and to hit those notes while the Funk Brothers and Detroit Symphony were laying down the music... it was truly majestic. That's when I knew Michael was more than just a pop star.

Exactly , I love his dancing like everybody else but sometimes I like to just hear him sing. Great voice

I think when he was a young boy, people were vowed by his vocals. You always heard folks like Barry Gordy and others saying they couldn't believe he had that much soul in such a little body. In his adult years, he became more of a visual artists by pairing music and dance. I think that's where we forgot the magic in his voice. The mass audience around the world cared about the pop star, glittery gloves, moonwalking, etc. But once you hear Can't Help It, Lady in My Life, Liberian Girl.. you get sucked right in. It didn't matter if it was Michael Jackson, you felt the voice.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

I knew dude was special when I heard Who's Loving You. The guy was still ten when they recorded that song in Hitsville (they didn't go to California until late July '69) in Detroit and to hit those notes while the Funk Brothers and Detroit Symphony were laying down the music... it was truly majestic. That's when I knew Michael was more than just a pop star.

Exactly , I love his dancing like everybody else but sometimes I like to just hear him sing. Great voice

When I hear him sing a softer song, it feels like I'm here ---> Few singers have been able to do that for me besides him (Chaka, Patti, Luther, Marvin, Stevie, George, etc.). Michael's a part of that list.

Vanilli said:

suga10 said:

You can tell there were a ton of doubles used in This is It.

I think it was the real Michael in the Jackson 5 medley, Black or White, Smooth Criminal vintage clip, Jam, They Don't Care About Us, and The Way You Make Me Feel, Threatened

Which scenes do you think the "tons of doubles" were used in? Tell me more.

Wanna Be Starting Something (Barring that portion where he's wear the TDCAU outfit) Human Nature and Billie Jean Michael's look too different compared to Michael in the Jackson 5 Medley, Black or White.

This is Michael in the last two videos for sure.

Also how could Michael go from looking like this- horrid (definitely a double)

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To nice looking here (The Real Michael)

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MyLuv229 said:

babybugz said:

Exactly , I love his dancing like everybody else but sometimes I like to just hear him sing. Great voice

I think when he was a young boy, people were vowed by his vocals. You always heard folks like Barry Gordy and others saying they couldn't believe he had that much soul in such a little body. In his adult years, he became more of a visual artists by pairing music and dance. I think that's where we forgot the magic in his voice. The mass audience around the world cared about the pop star, glittery gloves, moonwalking, etc. But once you hear Can't Help It, Lady in My Life, Liberian Girl.. you get sucked right in. It didn't matter if it was Michael Jackson, you felt the voice.

And to be frank, the reason I loved the ballads on Invincible is that it reminded us why he was such a great singer in the first place. I still get chills hearing them.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Exactly , I love his dancing like everybody else but sometimes I like to just hear him sing. Great voice

When I hear him sing a softer song, it feels like I'm here ---> Few singers have been able to do that for me besides him (Chaka, Patti, Luther, Marvin, Stevie, George, etc.). Michael's a part of that list.

Yes Like Lady in my Life , I can't help it , She's out of my life (so many more) and the ballads he done on the jacksons albums. LOL at the cloud I know what you mean though. One of my personal favorites is someone put your hand out.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

When I hear him sing a softer song, it feels like I'm here ---> Few singers have been able to do that for me besides him (Chaka, Patti, Luther, Marvin, Stevie, George, etc.). Michael's a part of that list.

Yes Like Lady in my Life , I can't help it , She's out of my life (so many more) and the ballads he done on the jacksons albums. LOL at the cloud I know what you mean though. One of my personal favorites is someone put your hand out.

Timmy84 said:

Love this

Timmy84 said:

MyLuv229 said:

I think when he was a young boy, people were vowed by his vocals. You always heard folks like Barry Gordy and others saying they couldn't believe he had that much soul in such a little body. In his adult years, he became more of a visual artists by pairing music and dance. I think that's where we forgot the magic in his voice. The mass audience around the world cared about the pop star, glittery gloves, moonwalking, etc. But once you hear Can't Help It, Lady in My Life, Liberian Girl.. you get sucked right in. It didn't matter if it was Michael Jackson, you felt the voice.

And to be frank, the reason I loved the ballads on Invincible is that it reminded us why he was such a great singer in the first place. I still get chills hearing them.

Exactly. Michael was a master at creating lush balladry and using his voice give a song more character and life.

MOL said:

mozfonky said:

I bought this is it the other day and unlike the Bucharest shows, it really makes me sad. He just doesn't look well to me, he looks unhealthy and frail. I still can't believe he weighed 136 when he supposedly usually weighed about 120. He didn't come close to filling out the clothes. Because the entire show was centered around him it just makes the other people look like oppurtunists because you know they had to know he wasn't really up to the shows. Not that he couldn't have done it, but that he couldn't have done it well. I'm sure the fans would have loved whatever he did though. I'm glad it's taped and filmed because we'll never get to see him again but it's very bittersweet for me.

Michael wasn't neither unhealthy nor frail. You're listening too much to Joe Jackson B.S..

His autopsy claims he weighed 136 pounds so, unless you have been brainwashed by Leo Rowe and Joe, you have to believe it. He was up to the shows and the only oportunistic people are the ones who were not in the shows yet wanted to be.

That whole "he was frail, weak and uncapable" argument is getting tiring. By now, most know it's nothing but made up shit used in hopes to create a lawsuit against AEG (smells like payday). It's already hard to listen to vultures and vampires like Joe, Oxman and Rowe saying it...but having fans doing the same is simply unbearable.

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you could be right. I know that he was never big to begin with, I know that he even weighed 105 in his prime, but I'm looking at everything, not just the weight. I'm looking at his enthusiasm level and performance too. He just didn't seem all there. his reluctance to extend himself in his vocals and dance were only partially understandable knowing he wanted to save his self for the shows but I'm a singer and I know how to take care of my voice, I also know that if you don't use it like you actually use it in performance, at least a little, you will not be able to perform like you want to. I thought he looked lost on stage, making moves because he didn't seem to know what else to do, now this isn't joe schmo, this is Michael Jackson, he just didn't look ready. Like I said, I'm sure he would have been well recieved, however, for 50 shows, I'm sure that was the biggest thing on his mind.

Unholyalliance said:

mozfonky said:

I bought this is it the other day and unlike the Bucharest shows, it really makes me sad. He just doesn't look well to me, he looks unhealthy and frail. I still can't believe he weighed 136 when he supposedly usually weighed about 120. He didn't come close to filling out the clothes. Because the entire show was centered around him it just makes the other people look like oppurtunists because you know they had to know he wasn't really up to the shows. Not that he couldn't have done it, but that he couldn't have done it well. I'm sure the fans would have loved whatever he did though. I'm glad it's taped and filmed because we'll never get to see him again but it's very bittersweet for me.

I remember watching This Is It and my friend was like "Omg he's so thin. He looks so sick." Then I had to remind her that the man was 50 years old. After a certain point in your life you aren't able to rock the skinny look anymore. (Maybe some people can, but I'm sure they are far and few in between.) When you are older, some meat on your bones is very good for you. It gives you a much healthier look. Michael rocked that weight a whole lot better when he was in his late teens/early 20s than later imho.

Even with all that, I still felt that he looked way better for those concerts than he did during the MSG shows/Invincible era. He kinda looked as if he had lost his neck. Kinda like some of his other brothers.

that's very true, he was 50, but he looked so pale, so gaunt in the face too, maybe it's just my imagination but he looked like he bit off too much.

suga10 said:

alphastreet said:

I'm so sad about the re-testing of the fluids, they couldn't do this shit all along??!! I just don't care if someone assassinates Murray anymore, honestly! There is not going to be any justice at all.

Honestly the fact that it keeps on getting delayed over and over just comes across as suspicious to me. It really should not be taking this long.

The media is not even talking about this at all except TMZ, go figure.

Why is TMZ the first to get all the details but no else can get it.

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Once again, this is very reminiscent of Elvis and his doctor who they went after. The doc actually got off. I guess the determining factor is that the patients (Elvis and Michael) both went to great lengths to get the drugs they wanted. That's no justification and I see Mike's doctor as much more irresponsible and incompetent than Elvis' doc. How someone like that got through med school makes you scratch your head. I went to a university and even though I half assed it, you just don't make, even in 4 year college, by not being on top of things. Maybe the doc was on drugs too.

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

I know and for a kid at that (at that time).

I knew dude was special when I heard Who's Loving You. The guy was still ten when they recorded that song in Hitsville (they didn't go to California until late July '69) in Detroit and to hit those notes while the Funk Brothers and Detroit Symphony were laying down the music... it was truly majestic. That's when I knew Michael was more than just a pop star.

Yeah, that's probably one of my all time favorite performances by anyone, much better than the original.

^^ Doubles - oh come on now. There were no doubles used in This Is It. I have watched that film more times than I care to mention and trust me there is no use of doubles. What they do is cut up various rehearsals over serveral weeks and put them together - WBSS is a classic example of this. They pull together pieces of the performance from various takes depending on the coverage they had to add more excitement to the film.

If anyone can point out a real double then be glad to see it.

Swa