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Reply #90 posted 08/26/10 9:05am

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Reel said:

You wont die, but you might keep other people from dying.

we are all going to die.

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Reply #91 posted 08/26/10 9:31am

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<--walking dead. neutral I'm not speaking on the case or her actions or any of that. Already did. Just letting myself have a knee-jerk reaction to the use of the terms "murder" and "death sentence" and such...as someone who's healthy and been diagnosed since 97. Not making light of the virus, it's certainly no joke. Wish there were other terms out there for some of this stuff. I also hate the term "clean". Sorry, carry on.

There are some ignorant assholes posting shit they know n o t h i n g about...

To fucking hell with the lot of them.

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Reply #92 posted 08/26/10 9:35am

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Tearful German HIV pop star escapes jail term

by Etienne Balmer Etienne Balmer 1 hr 27 mins ago

DARMSTADT, Germany (AFP) – An HIV-positive pop star broke down in tears on Thursday after a German court handed her a two-year suspended sentence for infecting a former sex partner with the virus.

The court in Darmstadt, western Germany, convicted 28-year-old Nadja Benaissa, a member of girl group No Angels, on one count of grievous bodily harm and two counts of attempted bodily harm.

Presiding judge Dennis Wacker also ordered her to do 300 hours of community service with people infected with HIV, saying the sentence was relatively light because she had "learned to be responsible and deal with her illness."

The glamorous half-Moroccan star, wearing a black top and jeans, sighed deeply with relief when the verdict was read out and shortly afterwards began to sob. She cried for several minutes, hiding her eyes with her hands.

The singer had confessed to having unprotected sex and keeping her virus secret but denied intending to infect anyone during a trial that has sparked a media frenzy in Germany.

She had previously made an emotional apology during closing arguments, telling the court: "I am sorry from the bottom of my heart. I would love to turn back the clock, but I can't."

She said she had made an "enormous mistake."

The charges against Benaissa could have led to up to 10 years behind bars, but both the prosecutors and the defence argued for a suspended sentence as she had admitted to the crime and said sorry.

Wacker said the sentence was relatively light because Benaissa was "aware of the mistakes she made and wanted to take responsibility for them." The passing-on of the virus was "not intentional," he ruled.

Benaissa's lawyer Oliver Wallasch said: "I think we can be satisfied with the verdict."

He explained his client's emotional response by saying, "the tension was very high ... but now she can breathe again."

During the trial, medical experts determined she had almost certainly infected one of her ex-boyfriends with the HIV virus, which leads to AIDS, as they both had a strain of the virus that is relatively rare in Germany.

The man, who was a plaintiff in the case, launched a bitter and scathing attack on the singer during the trial, accusing her of causing "a lot of suffering in this world."

Benaissa endured a difficult youth, the court heard.

She began to fall off the rails at the age of 12, taking up with a bad crowd, and became an habitual user of soft drugs and alcohol, then a crack addict at the age of 14, living on the streets near Frankfurt station.

Finding out in 1999 that she was HIV positive and pregnant, she tried to turn her life around and appeared on a television talent show, during which she was chosen to form part of the group No Angels.

The all-female band had a string of hits, mainly in central Europe but split up in 2003. They reformed in 2007 and competed in the 2008 Eurovision Song Contest, coming 23rd out of 25 countries.

Benaissa said doctors had told her the risk of transmitting the virus was "practically zero" and she did not want to jeopardise her success by revealing she was HIV positive.

The case prompted a debate about trial by media and presumption of innocence in a country that partly for historical reasons is highly sensitive about privacy.

Respected news magazine Der Spiegel described the trial as a "witch hunt" and AIDS organisations expressed their concern that HIV carriers would feel pressured to take sole responsibility for safe sex.

One group, "AIDS help", slammed the verdict as giving the "wrong message" about dealing with the HIV virus.

"If the responsibility for prevention is placed only on women and those with HIV, we are not recognising that two people share this responsibility," said Marianne Rademacher from the group.

Wacker, the judge, insisted that "only an open debate without prejudice can help to prevent such cases."

In October an authorised biography of the singer, who is rumoured to be leaving No Angels, is due to be released with the title: "Nadja Benaissa -- Everything is Going to be All Right."

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Reply #93 posted 08/26/10 10:38am

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TonyVanDam said:

MacDaddy said:

She doesn't have AIDS, she's HIV positive.

There is still no "cure" for neither one. sad

HIV is a virus, AIDS is a syndrome. One causes the other, and neither one kills a person. other infections do that.

I contracted HIV over 10 years ago. with proper medical treatment should live another 30 or 40 years.

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Reply #94 posted 08/26/10 10:41am

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JoeTyler said:

This is worse than murder

Yeah, way way worse confused

what a disgusting human being... disbelief confused

i gave myself HIV, no one forced me to have unprocted sex, i knew the risks, i did, i pay for it now.

in this day and age everyone should know that if you are negative and want to stay that way it is your responsibliy to stay that way and wrap it up. it's your health no one cares about it as much as y you do. i always disclose before sex, however that's just me. there is still alot of stigma to being Poz and causes some peope to avoid having sex or dating you. there is still aot of work with both those who a Neg and those who are Poz to stop this, and i don't think i could lay all the responsiblity on her

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Reply #95 posted 08/26/10 10:43am

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minneapolisFunq said:

TonyVanDam said:

If that woman has a cut in her mouth and her male lover didn't know about it.

word

Lack of simple knowledge is killing millions.

HIV is a weak virus outside of the body exposure to air or saliva kills it.

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Reply #96 posted 08/26/10 10:52am

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johnart said:

It absolutely does. This sort of thing has been discussed in a bunch of threads before and it always gets me. There's lots of information readily available and by all means she should've been upfront, but I don't understand how it's solely the poz person's fault.



[Edited 8/18/10 23:28pm]

OK johnart, when I have a cold I cover my mouth so I don't pass it along. I also do not shake hands with people at that time either. Why? Because I don't enjoy having a common cold and do not want you to have it either and would feel guilty if you caught it due to my carelessness. I also have an 8 year old daughter and every time she coughs or sneezes I tell her to mouth so that others don't get her germs - none of which are potentially lethal. every year her school sends home a letter to parents to "PLEASE be considerate of others and leave their sick kids at home" Again, taking responsibility to not get othes sick. If people can expect children to do this when they have the flu is it too much to expect, not just hope, that people will due this with a disease that can morph into something deadly ?

Next I lived in Provincetown in the 80's and it was very common for gay men to have one night stands. By the mid 80's they began dropping like flies because they caught the disease and gaveit to eachother BECAUSE THEY HAD NO IDEA THEY EVEN HAD IT. They were not purposely running around with a devil may care attitude. (back then HIV almost always morphed into full blown AIDs and there wasn't any decent meds). It was an extremely painful time not only for the gay mens community in town but for the whole tiny town. Everybody knew several people who had died by 1989.

In 1990 I moved to Atlanta and answered an add for a busser/ server. Got the job and almost all the servers were gay men. I hung out with Bill. Bill had a friend named Rob that he was deffinately attracted to. Rob was HIV possitive and resposibly told Bill (who did not have the virus) so that Bill could make the informed decision to have sex with Rob or not. Bill was defffinately in love with Rob and they became a couple. Rob showed his love for Bill by chancing Bills rejection due to Rob being HIV possitive. There were still risks involved for Bill to have sex with Rob but they were minamalized because he knew every thing he could do to decrease his chances.

This woman did not give any of the men in her life the heads up to become informed about what they could do to still have all kinds of sex with her and not get infected.

Now, obviously alot of straight men prefer to not use any protection and maybe she did not want to say "you absolutely need to use protection with me because I have an STD" because then he'd ask her which one and possibly she would not get any booty calls at all. Toooooo Bad for her.

It was totally selfish what she did, as selfish as me coughing in your face times a million. In no way do I consider it equally their fault if they in fact caught the disease from her . Are they equally responsible because they shouldn't have been fornicating in the first place???

Are they equally responsible because if they have unprotedted sex with a woman who doesn't tell them she is sick or lies they deserve to be on meds forever for their devil may care attitude?

I mean really, I don't personally know you but you have always struck me as someone who would not only not have unprotected sex with another man AND NOT TELL HIM OF YOUR STATUS, but I can't even picture you coughing in my face or coughing into your hand and then shaking mine. I think you have the right, as we all do, of expecting that level of descency and responsibility from all people.

having personally had people tell me they were sorry and log off or walk away, make rude comments about having sex with someone who is poz and i hadn't brought the subject up yet, to just flat out no's. there is alot of misinformation and fear about HIV with Neg people in the gay community let alone in the straight community. many people i know, espeicaly on one night stands, who don't say anything, but that backfires when they fall for them.

i don't want anyone else to go through this so i always talk about it before hand and have come to expect some rejecting, one guy last who is AMAZING and neg ended up not caring and i thought he would. but at some point someone has to take responsiblity for their own actions, it's like blaming your partner for a pregancy but it took both of you to do it.

oh and everyone needs to get tested.

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Reply #97 posted 08/26/10 10:54am

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Reply #98 posted 09/01/10 4:20pm

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The reason so many of you have such strong (and trifling) opinions about her being guilty is because you're fucking raw with your head in the clouds just like they were - and feel entitled to your irresponsibility. You feel entitled not to have to be the one to bring it up or even think about it.

It doesn't take two people to protect yourself; it only takes one.

yes

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Reply #99 posted 09/01/10 7:45pm

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@ ehuff and john hug I love you guys!
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Reply #100 posted 09/01/10 7:54pm

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Sad.

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Reply #101 posted 09/02/10 7:08am

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UptownCitizen said:

The reason so many of you have such strong (and trifling) opinions about her being guilty is because you're fucking raw with your head in the clouds just like they were - and feel entitled to your irresponsibility. You feel entitled not to have to be the one to bring it up or even think about it.

It doesn't take two people to protect yourself; it only takes one.

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Truth.

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