BklynBabe said:

it takes 2 to protect......

Bklynbabe you know you my girl and all. But that's some crazy shyt you just said right there. How do those condemned fuggers sleep at night pretending that they aint got the AIDS MONSTER mean while they sleeping with folks and infecting them, making their and their familys lives miserable. If i wasnt a Christian I'd type that I hope that people who do that shit die a miserable painful and long death and burn in hell afterwards. It takes 2 to protect...that's blaming the person who may have been stupid enough to have unprotected sex, but that doesnt mean that they should have a death sentence.

I protect myself during sex because I assume that the other person MIGHT NOT KNOW whether or not they are infected, I dont use condoms because I KNOW THE SON OF A BITCH KNOWS THAT HE HAS AIDS AND IS DELIBERATELY FUGGING AROUND. That comment made me spit my beer out.

ludwig said:

MacDaddy said:

She doesn't have AIDS, she's HIV positive.

I KNEW that some mr. know-it-all would mention this. But it came quicker than expected.

Yanno...same damned shyt. So I have the potential to catch a cold, but the symptoms havent manifested yet....but I can still infect that person with the same "cold antibodies" which can and often will lead to them catching a cold. What the hell difference does it make whether she has HIV or AIDS same damned difference. Both lead to a lifetime of noxious coctails just to maintain some degree of a normal life for the rest of your life.

TonyVanDam said:

Graycap23 said:

She claims she did NOT want her partner 2 catch it.

Was that before OR after she finally gotten the memo that she can still pass on the HIV by giving oral sex?!?

Very little information that proves that you can pass the HIV virus by GIVING oral sex. The virus is not very potent in saliva, which is why if you kiss someone with HIV or Aids, you dont get the virus.

johnart said:

BklynBabe said:

it takes 2 to protect......

It absolutely does. This sort of thing has been discussed in a bunch of threads before and it always gets me. There's lots of information readily available and by all means she should've been upfront, but I don't understand how it's solely the poz person's fault.

[Edited 8/18/10 23:28pm]

Because if you know that you definitely have a potentially killer virus running through your blood stream and bodily fluids, and you have unprotected sex with an unsuspecting person...that in itself makes you a damned MURDERER, and it makes the person who didn't use a condom a DAMNED FOOL. That's the difference. Who's to say that the person who you KNOWINGLY infected has access to anti-virals.

People who KNOWINGLY HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX WHILE HAVING HIV OR AIDS SHOULD BE SKINNED ALIVE AND BURNED AT THE STAKE AND FACE WHATEVER DAMNATION COMES IN THE AFTERWORLD.

It's one thing to not know that you are HIV positive and the two of you have sex, and it gets passed on. Who can blame who? Nobody knew. HOWEVER...IF YOUR ASS KNOWS THAT YOU HAVE THE VIRUS....DO NOT SLEEP WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT TELLING THEM YOUR STATUS. YOU ROB THEM OF THE RIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THEMSELVES. And, dont give me that "well we used a condom" shyt either because condoms break, and you can still transmit it. Tell them, get their permission, or just dont fugg them and fugg someone who could care less about their potential lifelong health risks from one night of pleasure. There are many people out there who really arent bothered by that kinda thing.

Reel said:

johnart said:

It absolutely does. This sort of thing has been discussed in a bunch of threads before and it always gets me. There's lots of information readily available and by all means she should've been upfront, but I don't understand how it's solely the poz person's fault.

[Edited 8/18/10 23:28pm]

Because if you know that you definitely have a potentially killer virus running through your blood stream and bodily fluids, and you have unprotected sex with an unsuspecting person...that in itself makes you a damned MURDERER, and it makes the person who didn't use a condom a DAMNED FOOL. That's the difference. Who's to say that the person who you KNOWINGLY infected has access to anti-virals.

People who KNOWINGLY HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX WHILE HAVING HIV OR AIDS SHOULD BE SKINNED ALIVE AND BURNED AT THE STAKE AND FACE WHATEVER DAMNATION COMES IN THE AFTERWORLD.

Well, technically, not all people who are HIV positive die from AIDS.

A car accident, drowning, West Nile Virus, etc., etc. could kill them long before a progression to AIDS would.

Damnation? Really? Like fire and brimstone and a red dude with a tail, horns, and hooves?

and burning ppl at the stake is soooo 17th century

AND it does take two to protect/it's not just on the positive person.. if you don't ask for the person's status (on any/all STDs/STIs) AND you don't insist on condoms... you are partially responsible for what happens to you as a result.

[Edited 8/21/10 0:17am]

PositivityNYC said:

Reel said:

Because if you know that you definitely have a potentially killer virus running through your blood stream and bodily fluids, and you have unprotected sex with an unsuspecting person...that in itself makes you a damned MURDERER, and it makes the person who didn't use a condom a DAMNED FOOL. That's the difference. Who's to say that the person who you KNOWINGLY infected has access to anti-virals.

People who KNOWINGLY HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX WHILE HAVING HIV OR AIDS SHOULD BE SKINNED ALIVE AND BURNED AT THE STAKE AND FACE WHATEVER DAMNATION COMES IN THE AFTERWORLD.

Well, technically, not all people who are HIV positive die from AIDS.

A car accident, drowning, West Nile Virus, etc., etc. could kill them long before a progression to AIDS would.

Damnation? Really? Like fire and brimstone and a red dude with a tail, horns, and hooves?

and burning ppl at the stake is soooo 17th century

AND it does take two to protect/it's not just on the positive person.. if you don't ask for the person's status (on any/all STDs/STIs) AND you don't insist on condoms... you are partially responsible for what happens to you as a result.

[Edited 8/21/10 0:17am]

Any person who KNOWINGLY has HIV and has unprotected sex with someone without disclosing their status deserves whatever HORRIBLE THING that happens to them in this life as well as in the afterworld. Whatever that may be (fire, brimstone or whatever). They deserve death by 1000 cuts in this world.

I'm going to always use condoms as long as I remain unmarried, however condoms are not without risks, and if your ass KNEW that you had it, and knew that you were infecting me with something that can CAUSE DEATH, you deserve something very horrible to happen to you. People still die from Aids...it's just that in the USA because of medication, we hear about those cases less frequently. Again, even in the USA not everyone has access to meds.

What kinda evil goes on in a persons mind to make them want to have sex with someone knowing that they have HIV without protection? What? Nothing but pure evil and selfishness.

I was once on a cruise ship, and met this Canadian chick so we hung out with each other for a few days, and she met up with this dude who was really really thin with tweezed eyebrows that we both just met that evening. And he was like "Howyoudoin"! I'm serious, not trying to be funny, that's how he introduced himself to me. So later that night I heard a knock at my door but was too drunk to get out of bed to answer.

The next morning, she said..."Oh...I tried to wake you to borrow a condom, because the convenience store was closed so we had sex without a condom". Let me say in advance that not everybody "LOOKS" like they have the virus, there is no definitive "look"...but I'm telling yall, if you saw this dude yall would be like....ummmhhh maybe i just shouldnt Even the ones who generally throw caution to the wind would be like...sleep with you without a condom hey? Dude had face wasting and the whole bit going on. He could strut a catwalk better than Rupaul during his "supermodel" days.

Oh well, the next morning after she told me about it...I said nothing. Why ruin her vacation, I figured that I'd leave her friends to put the fear in her when she returned to Canada and told her friends that crazyass story. Ladies, this is why they have detatchable shower heads on most cruise ships, desperate times call for desperate measures.

I just hope for her sake, that she remained safe. I don't care if he looked like Mr. Universe, or Denzel Washington. I aint taking no risk on a cruise ship with someone whom I'll never meet again by having unprotected sex. So yes, you have to protect yourself now a days, but it's still EVIL for someone to knowingly have it and pass it on to someone else.

Reel said:

BklynBabe said:

it takes 2 to protect......

Bklynbabe you know you my girl and all. But that's some crazy shyt you just said right there. How do those condemned fuggers sleep at night pretending that they aint got the AIDS MONSTER mean while they sleeping with folks and infecting them, making their and their familys lives miserable. If i wasnt a Christian I'd type that I hope that people who do that shit die a miserable painful and long death and burn in hell afterwards. It takes 2 to protect...that's blaming the person who may have been stupid enough to have unprotected sex, but that doesnt mean that they should have a death sentence.

I protect myself during sex because I assume that the other person MIGHT NOT KNOW whether or not they are infected, I dont use condoms because I KNOW THE SON OF A BITCH KNOWS THAT HE HAS AIDS AND IS DELIBERATELY FUGGING AROUND. That comment made me spit my beer out.

I know y'all can read better than this The title of the thread is HIV-positive singer admits to unprotected sex in court! And my response is it takes 2 to protect.....

Now the fact that she has HIV and was still fucking around all willy-nilly like that was a good idea is abhorrent to me in the extreme. But I don't think it's crazy to remind folk that both (or however many parties there may be) do bear equal responsibilty in the area of protection.

If this title said HIV positive singer infects man in spite of condom use, it would be a whole different ballgame. You shouldn't let the person you want to fuck have the sole decision as to whether you are going to protect yourself! Saying that you need to protect yourself is not assigning blame to anyone.

Y'all sitting here acting like saying using protection is crazy. C'mon, son! No blame was assigned. It's a no-brainer that chick should've have done what she did. Just a reminder that in the area of protection, both parties have equal responsibility.

Now quit dyck-ryding my comment! Some of y'all ain't protected

[Edited 8/21/10 6:26am]

johnart said:

steelyd said:

Sorry you felt attacked, but too many people think that HIV/AIDS is no big deal or a thing of the past or that how you contract is is blown out of proportion. That's the jist of what I got from you first comment. It's a fact that 3 of my friends are HIV positive, not a claim. Instead of regurgitating someone elses data on HIV, go talk to people who have it and are living with it. HIV/AIDS is no joke.

I live with HIV. It might very well be a fact that 3 of your friends live with HIV but unless you were there and KNEW (somehow,scientifically) the very moment in which it was contracted, to your knowledge it is not actually a fact that your 3 friends contracted it orally. It is only a fact that that is what your friends have told you. Perhaps totally true; perhaps just what they want others to know/think. Just sayin.

[Edited 8/18/10 21:13pm]

Don't TRY negate what I'm saying, because "I wasn't there". First of all, These are friends I KNOW, so I didn't have to "be there". If they are opening up to me about their experiences, I'm going to tend to believe them. AND I didn't say all 3 friends got HIV orally, just one of them did and he KNOWS he got it that way. The other two people I know who are positive told me they know of people over the years who have contracted it that way. True, If you are an extremely premiscuous careless individual, you may not know EXACTLY how you got it. Long story short don't tell people that you can't get it from oral sex. All it takes is one time. It's not about saliva, it's about infected semen getting into contact with open leasions in the mouth. If you are giving head to an infected person, you can definitely get it. If you're and infected person giving head chances may be slimmer that you can pass it, but you never know. Everybody needs to get tested, be honest with their partners & start wrapping it up. Just Sayin.

[Edited 8/21/10 9:33am]

Reel said:

PositivityNYC said:

Well, technically, not all people who are HIV positive die from AIDS.

A car accident, drowning, West Nile Virus, etc., etc. could kill them long before a progression to AIDS would.

Damnation? Really? Like fire and brimstone and a red dude with a tail, horns, and hooves?

and burning ppl at the stake is soooo 17th century

AND it does take two to protect/it's not just on the positive person.. if you don't ask for the person's status (on any/all STDs/STIs) AND you don't insist on condoms... you are partially responsible for what happens to you as a result.

[Edited 8/21/10 0:17am]

Any person who KNOWINGLY has HIV and has unprotected sex with someone without disclosing their status deserves whatever HORRIBLE THING that happens to them in this life as well as in the afterworld. Whatever that may be (fire, brimstone or whatever). They deserve death by 1000 cuts in this world.

I'm going to always use condoms as long as I remain unmarried, however condoms are not without risks, and if your ass KNEW that you had it, and knew that you were infecting me with something that can CAUSE DEATH, you deserve something very horrible to happen to you. People still die from Aids...it's just that in the USA because of medication, we hear about those cases less frequently. Again, even in the USA not everyone has access to meds.

What kinda evil goes on in a persons mind to make them want to have sex with someone knowing that they have HIV without protection? What? Nothing but pure evil and selfishness.

Look, I don't think there's anybody (sane) on the planet that doesn't think that purposely giving someone HIV isn't wrong, isn't a crime.. There are some fucked up people who do do that (hell, there are some ppl who want to be given the virus, but that's another thread topic..) --- we've had nutcases, guys, here in NY who purposely had unprotected sex with many women to give them HIV:

- one wanted to 'get back at' women (he got it from a woman, so women in general had to pay)

- another, mad at the world for ending up positive, said he wanted to take as many ppl out with him (he felt it wasn't 'fair' that it happened to him, so he'd make others go thru it, too)

I found the article I read last week http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...peopleaids

She denied however intending to infect anyone with the virus that causes AIDS as she went on trial for grievous bodily harm. ... "When I was arrested I realised that the way that I had dealt with the illness had been wrong ... I made a big mistake," her lawyer quoted her as saying in a statement read out to the court. ... Benaissa, who says she found out she was HIV positive in 1999, when she was 16 years old and three months pregnant, said she had been told by doctors that the risk of passing on the virus was "practically zero."

What responsible doctor says that kind of mess to a 16 yr old child -- one who was addicted to crack at 14...??

I feel like they set her up - maybe not intentionally, but, they did not advise her well; it was beyond irresponsible to put that thought into a child's head, whether for the baby she gave birth to or for future sexual partners. I also wonder why she -- seemingly -- never did any [thorough?] research on her own as she got older.

A whole lot of stupidity goin' 'round..... the docs, her, and the men she slept with.

As for your posts............

1) You generalize and repeatedly make having HIV out to be a guaranteed death sentence. I know that there are places that don't have great or even good medical care for those who are positive, and those ppl do die sooner and in greater numbers -- such a tragedy -- and the lack of education about it astounds me (like the African men I read about a couple of yrs ago that believe they could get rid of HIV by screwing a virgin, so they raped children and babies), but life expectancy in many places has improved greatly in the last decade.

2)

Reel said:

MacDaddy said:

She doesn't have AIDS, she's HIV positive.

ludwig said:

I KNEW that some mr. know-it-all would mention this. But it came quicker than expected.

Yanno...same damned shyt. So I have the potential to catch a cold, but the symptoms havent manifested yet....but I can still infect that person with the same "cold antibodies" which can and often will lead to them catching a cold. What the hell difference does it make whether she has HIV or AIDS same damned difference. Both lead to a lifetime of noxious coctails just to maintain some degree of a normal life for the rest of your life.

a - If they were the same, there'd be no distinction.

b - Given the viewpoint expressed in your various posts (and, well, logic), your analogy makes zero sense. One cannot correlate a parallel between having/having been exposed to a rhinovirus or coronavirus [causes of the "common cold"], and the passing on of HIV and/or progression of HIV to AIDS.

You wrote "potential to catch a cold" and ""cold antibodies" which can and often will lead to"

~ all 3 words I italicized are not absolutes...

While you were correct to use them when referring to a cold, (not everybody who gets coughed/sneezed on or touches a dirty surface will get sick at all [their immune systems are either strong enough to kill off the rhino-/coronavirus, or they take something like Vitamin C or Zinc to stave off symptoms and help their immune system to kill it off] ~ comparing that to HIV and/or AIDS is ridiculous... HIV+ ppl's immune systems cannott kill off HIV, nor can they fight it off by popping a few vitamins.

And -- according to you -- ppl who fuck others w/o disclosing their HIV+ status are murderers (an absolute [statement]), and ppl who end up with HIV have been given a death sentence (another absolute).

Reply #60 posted 08/20/10 11:28pm

Reel said:

... the person who may have been stupid enough to have unprotected sex, but that doesnt mean that they should have a death sentence.

Reply #63 posted 08/20/10 11:43pm

Reel said:

Because if you know that you definitely have a potentially killer virus running through your blood stream and bodily fluids, and you have unprotected sex with an unsuspecting person...that in itself makes you a damned MURDERER

Not to mention, you can catch cold viruses w/o interacting with another person... The original person with the cold virus doesn't even have to be in the same place the same time you are in order for you to get it.

HIV on the other hand, doesn't live outside the body very long, doesn't 'hang out' on surfaces like stairway/escalator handrails or subway car poles and straps ~ there has to be an exchange of fluids. How are fluids most often exchanged? Sharing needles, and 2 (or more) people fuckin' (sans condoms).

3) I'm relatively sure that every person here with half a brain knows that purposely giving ppl HIV is wrong --- but those who are HIV+, who may have progressed to AIDS, and those of us who care about them... can really do without your generalized rants and redundancy. Nobody likes a 'Negative Nelly.'

I can tell you that after 22 yrs of dealing with losing ppl to AIDS, it doesn't get any easier as the yrs go by.. It is utterly heart-breaking. Though they're healthy, I cried for a week the last time a dear friend told me they were positive....

So, why don't you try to exhibit some modicum of tact and stop with the screaming (all caps) and making HIV out to be a guaranteed death sentence. I don't like to speak for people, but, I'm sure the HIV positive Orgers here can also do without all your negativity.

4)

Reply #60 posted 08/20/10 11:28pm

Reel said:

BklynBabe said:

it takes 2 to protect......

Bklynbabe you know you my girl and all. But that's some crazy shyt you just said right there. ... It takes 2 to protect...that's blaming the person who may have been stupid enough to have unprotected sex, but that doesnt mean that they should have a death sentence.

Reply #63 posted 08/20/10 11:43pm

Reel said:

johnart said:

There's lots of information readily available and by all means she should've been upfront, but I don't understand how it's solely the poz person's fault.

Because if you know that you definitely have a potentially killer virus running through your blood stream and bodily fluids, and you have unprotected sex with an unsuspecting person...that in itself makes you a damned MURDERER, and it makes the person who didn't use a condom a DAMNED FOOL. That's the difference.

a - This "suffer fools gladly" stuff (to put up with them, not hold them accountable for their 'folly' [2 Corinthians 11:19]) is getting old and just not practical in the 21st century...

b - I completely understand your anger, rage, at the thought of someone purposely infecting others with HIV (or anything, really), but an HIV+ person [aware they are pos] sleeping w/someone w/o telling them of their status does not "ROB THE[other person] OF THE RIGHT TO MAKE A DECISION FOR THEMSELVES" --- not entirely (another inaccurate generalization); anybody in this day and age who engages in sex with people they don't or barely know should always make the decision to protect their own damn selves. This guy in the singer's court case is not some completely innocent victim (again, even if they have the same strain of HIV, there is also no proof he got HIV from her). No, she did not disclose her status, but, not one article I've seen about this says he asked and she lied about it.

~ Very likely: He got to date and fuck a celebrity a few times, but he chose not to protect himself (and if he didn't use condoms with her, who else was he bareback with -? he could have had it before he screwed her).

It's sad, unfortunate, etc. -- but it is the non-pos person's responsibility, too, to *always* protect themselves.

5)

Reply #60 posted 08/20/10 11:28pm

Reel said:

If i wasnt a Christian I'd type that I hope that people who do that shit die a miserable painful and long death and burn in hell afterwards.

Really?

Reply #63 posted 08/20/10 11:43pm

Reel said:

People who KNOWINGLY HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX WHILE HAVING HIV OR AIDS SHOULD BE SKINNED ALIVE AND BURNED AT THE STAKE AND FACE WHATEVER DAMNATION COMES IN THE AFTERWORLD.

WOW! 3 posts and 15 minutes later you go from claiming [c/c of some Christian sensibility...] to not want to type you hope such things would befall them, to... doing just that! (I don't come here much -- is that a record -?)

A Christian making themselves judge/jury (or executioner) ~ despite all the

"Judge not, lest ye be judged" and

"Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us" and

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" and

"Thou shalt not kill" and

et cetera, and

et cetera

~ ain't new.

I mean, it didn't seem to matter when, for centuries, Christians around the world burned scores of innocent girls and women at the stake [or simply drowned them] for mere suspicion of being witches [that shit is still going on in Africa.. Google: "Sarah Palin, Thomas Muthee"] -- or, when Christians in Europe tortured & murdered millions of men, women & children during the approx. 800 yrs (from about 1095 to 1834) of various Crusades and Inquisitions for simply not being Christian/not wanting to convert to Christianity --- so, why profess to care about your standing as a ("good") Christian -? Looks like you fit right in and are doing just fine, darling...

"If I wasn't a Christian ..." ?!

Yeah, ok...

Hypocrisy, thy name is Christianity ....

Trust me, it's not that I lack the skills, but I'm just unwilling to go back through your post one point by one point and text you back about shit that I already pointed out, waste of time. When I was talking about catching the common cold, I was speaking in a different context...but you seemed to have gotten the point that I was trying to make anyway...so no need to discuss it further.

Lastly...and again ABSOLUTLELY...if you KNOWINGLY have unprotected sex with someone without disclosing that you are positive with HIV or AIDS (and to me and many other people it doesn't matter which one your immune system is dealing with at the time) you are a MURDERER! In many states there are laws that mandate that you go to jail for this. Just because the person May NOT die because of the advancement of meds, means absolutely nothing. If it will comfort you more, I'll say that the person is an ATTEMPTED MURDERER. I think I've made my position very clear in regards to this post...wheter you choose to agree with it or not.

'HIV-positive singer admits to unprotected sex in court'

Don't have sex in court, unprotected or not!

now let's stop beating that horse okay, cuz we are all basically saying the same thing. I feel like it's org PMS time again.

She in jail yet?

How long this damn trial supposed to take?

Jury should be out for five minutes max!

I hope the dudes get all her money too!

she an evil ass heffa!

DesireeNevermind said:

How long this damn trial supposed to take?

Probably until thursday. We can expect the court's decision at the end of this week.

DesireeNevermind said:

She in jail yet?

How long this damn trial supposed to take?

Jury should be out for five minutes max!

I hope the dudes get all her money too!

she an evil ass heffa!

To be honest, the evil ass person is the man who gave her HIV when she was 16 and got her pregnant! He needs to be in the jail right beside her.

BklynBabe said:

DesireeNevermind said:

She in jail yet?

How long this damn trial supposed to take?

Jury should be out for five minutes max!

I hope the dudes get all her money too!

she an evil ass heffa!

To be honest, the evil ass person is the man who gave her HIV when she was 16 and got her pregnant! He needs to be in the jail right beside her.

Oh hell yes. String his ass up too! Matter of fact....do him first then her. I still say she's evil b/c she's not 16 anymore. She's had plenty of time to reflect on her past and make better choices for her future yet she still chose to infect others. See...told ya there might be a vengeance twist to this story. Some people hurt so much that they just have to hurt others. Misery loves company.

I've come across about 2 or 3 adults in one of the positions that I held at work who have the virus and were born with it. Remember folks born during the mid 80's when early phases of the anti-retro cocktails were starting out survived the virus, are now adults who are sexually active. So now there are a group of people who are positive and didn't "contract it" other than being born with it, and they are in their mid to late 20's by now.

Reel said:

I've come across about 2 or 3 adults in one of the positions that I held at work who have the virus and were born with it. Remember folks born during the mid 80's when early phases of the anti-retro cocktails were starting out survived the virus, are now adults who are sexually active. So now there are a group of people who are positive and didn't "contract it" other than being born with it, and they are in their mid to late 20's by now.

That's interesting. Hadn't thought about that. Has the virus mutated in them by chance? Are they having to take the cocktail of meds to stay healthy or no? I can't remember where I read this but there was an article on children in west african nations who had been born with HIV but miraculously the virus was not found in their blood by the time they reached pre-school age. Not sure if that was a result of medication or mutation or what.

What happens to the offspring of this now 20 something group of people who were born HIV positive?

DesireeNevermind said:

Reel said:

I've come across about 2 or 3 adults in one of the positions that I held at work who have the virus and were born with it. Remember folks born during the mid 80's when early phases of the anti-retro cocktails were starting out survived the virus, are now adults who are sexually active. So now there are a group of people who are positive and didn't "contract it" other than being born with it, and they are in their mid to late 20's by now.

That's interesting. Hadn't thought about that. Has the virus mutated in them by chance? Are they having to take the cocktail of meds to stay healthy or no? I can't remember where I read this but there was an article on children in west african nations who had been born with HIV but miraculously the virus was not found in their blood by the time they reached pre-school age. Not sure if that was a result of medication or mutation or what.

What happens to the offspring of this now 20 something group of people who were born HIV positive?

Well I know for sure that one of the three that I mentioned continues to take her medicine, and the virus (or perhaps the long term use of medication) has knocked out her kidneys so shes on dialysis now and at the time she was 22. She continues to take the meds. I'm pretty sure that they will always have to take the meds unless they cero-converted and that usually happens in infancy when a baby born to a positive mother converts to it's own non positive anti-bodies.

DesireeNevermind said:

BklynBabe said:

To be honest, the evil ass person is the man who gave her HIV when she was 16 and got her pregnant! He needs to be in the jail right beside her.

Oh hell yes. String his ass up too! Matter of fact....do him first then her. I still say she's evil b/c she's not 16 anymore. She's had plenty of time to reflect on her past and make better choices for her future yet she still chose to infect others. See...told ya there might be a vengeance twist to this story. Some people hurt so much that they just have to hurt others. Misery loves company.

That's a possibilty...

But I'm telling you, straight up; my experience here for the last 10 years has been that young people act as if the AIDS epidemic has never happened and are quick to ride raw just based on a person looking nice and trustworthy. It's almost as if they're decades behind in their mentality and still think that AIDS can only strike IV drug users (because IV drugs like heroin make up one of biggest social ills here, it's a mess ). In music circles its also pretty bad (no matter what age). I guess because we don't have as intense of a video ho/groupie movement here, so people aren't getting caught with their pants down and getting knocked up, so again, they naively think all is well in their world, like they're somehow exempt...basically living in la-la land. The Koch Institute reported in the middle of the decade that Germany saw it's first jump in HIV transmission since 1997 because many (I think they said under age 45) simply stopped having protected sex. Condom usage decreased by the tens of millions.

I know that this may not make me sound like a nice person. But I have had sex when I was in my 20's with a few men that I didn't necessarily like as people, or that I just didnt trust to leave my purse around but there was that sexual attraction. So i never wanted any "weiners" inside of me that weren't protected. I came of age when Aids was alive and kicking ass, slaying motherpluckers dead. I just could never risk having unprotected sex. I had unprotected sex with one man ONLY because the condom broke anways so i said "fugg it" and since he was "my man" I just continued our relationship without using a condom. But that was the only man to my knowledge that I did not use a condom with.

Ottensen said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Oh hell yes. String his ass up too! Matter of fact....do him first then her. I still say she's evil b/c she's not 16 anymore. She's had plenty of time to reflect on her past and make better choices for her future yet she still chose to infect others. See...told ya there might be a vengeance twist to this story. Some people hurt so much that they just have to hurt others. Misery loves company.

That's a possibilty...

But I'm telling you, straight up; my experience here for the last 10 years has been that young people act as if the AIDS epidemic has never happened and are quick to ride raw just based on a person looking nice and trustworthy. It's almost as if they're decades behind in their mentality and still think that AIDS can only strike IV drug users (because IV drugs like heroin make up one of biggest social ills here, it's a mess ). In music circles its also pretty bad (no matter what age). I guess because we don't have as intense of a video ho/groupie movement here, so people aren't getting caught with their pants down and getting knocked up, so again, they naively think all is well in their world, like they're somehow exempt...basically living in la-la land. The Koch Institute reported in the middle of the decade that Germany saw it's first jump in HIV transmission since 1997 because many (I think they said under age 45) simply stopped having protected sex. Condom usage decreased by the tens of millions.

See that is so bizarre to me. I mean I can fathom that people think their chances of getting HIV are rare but what about all the other diseases? Shit I'd be scared to get something that could render me sterile or disfigure me. And these dudes ...don't men still worry about getting jacked for child support? I swear...it's like some people think they're literally invincible. someone may not have HIV but there's no telling what else they've got. Still...it's a shame that people just aren't up front about their status. All boils down to not wanting to drive away that potential fuckbuddy I guess.

DesireeNevermind said:

See that is so bizarre to me. I mean I can fathom that people think their chances of getting HIV are rare but what about all the other diseases? Shit I'd be scared to get something that could render me sterile or disfigure me. And these dudes ...don't men still worry about getting jacked for child support? I swear...it's like some people think they're literally invincible. someone may not have HIV but there's no telling what else they've got. Still...it's a shame that people just aren't up front about their status. All boils down to not wanting to drive away that potential fuckbuddy I guess.

Or the shame they feel about being infected, and the fear of being rejected because of that

Still, no excuse NOT to disclose your status. Just be honest, saves you a lot of hassle.

Tpyo Eidt

[Edited 8/24/10 6:01am]

MacDaddy said:

DesireeNevermind said:

See that is so bizarre to me. I mean I can fathom that people think their chances of getting HIV are rare but what about all the other diseases? Shit I'd be scared to get something that could render me sterile or disfigure me. And these dudes ...don't men still worry about getting jacked for child support? I swear...it's like some people think they're literally invincible. someone may not have HIV but there's no telling what else they've got. Still...it's a shame that people just aren't up front about their status. All boils down to not wanting to drive away that potential fuckbuddy I guess.

Or the shame they feel about being infected, and the fear of being rejected because of that

Still, no excuse NOT to disclose your status. Just be honest, saves you a lot of hassle.

Tpyo Eidt

[Edited 8/24/10 6:01am]

Forget about it saving "you" (not you personally) a lot of hassle, what about the life / quality of life of the person that you just infected? Selfishness, rage, and revenge is what that craziness is about. Hey if you got that much shame in using a condom, then just dont have sex ever again. You wont die, but you might keep other people from dying. (Again, not you personally).

Reel said:

MacDaddy said:

Or the shame they feel about being infected, and the fear of being rejected because of that

Still, no excuse NOT to disclose your status. Just be honest, saves you a lot of hassle.

Tpyo Eidt

[Edited 8/24/10 6:01am]

Forget about it saving "you" (not you personally) a lot of hassle, what about the life / quality of life of the person that you just infected? Selfishness, rage, and revenge is what that craziness is about. Hey if you got that much shame in using a condom, then just dont have sex ever again. You wont die, but you might keep other people from dying. (Again, not you personally).

Of course I also mean the other person.

The woman in the article is a sad and bad example for this discussion.

But realise that not all HIV infected feel that they need to inflict this to someone else as well.

[Edited 8/24/10 23:17pm]

It shouldn't be against the law to have unprotected consensual sex with another adult.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100826/ap_en_mu/eu_germany_singer_hiv

she got off with no jail time at all!! she's female and cried and made herself out to be the victim..really sad, the german court system is a joke...

pld71 said:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100826/ap_en_mu/eu_germany_singer_hiv

she got off with no jail time at all!! she's female and cried and made herself out to be the victim..really sad, the german court system is a joke...

She...no doubt, thought it was all about her right to express her sexual 'freedoms'...who cares about responsibilities?

Medical experts confirmed that she had almost certainly infected one of her ex-boyfriends with the HIV virus, as they both had a strain of the virus that is relatively rare in Germany.

The man, who was a plaintiff in the case, launched a bitter and scathing attack on the singer during the trial, accusing her of causing "a lot of suffering in this world".

Benaissa found out she was HIV positive when she was 16 and three months pregnant.

She did not want to jeopardise her success by revealing she was HIV positive.

In October, an authorised biography of the singer, who is rumoured to be leaving No Angels, is due to be released with the title Nadja Benaissa - Everything is Going to be Alright.

This is what's commonly called the 'Pussy Pass'...for those in the know.

Addressing all on here but mainly to straight guys...be very careful...look at the precedent this has set...you'll receive a 'suspended sentence' for basically...as good as...murdering someone.

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