JoeTyler said:

VoicesCarry said:

Who's that sweet angel??

She tried to go commercial and started posing for men's magazines like Stuff - that's a fuckin' sellout.

VoicesCarry said:

JoeTyler said:

Who's that sweet angel??

She tried to go commercial and started posing for men's magazines like Stuff - that's a fuckin' sellout.

THAT's Liz Phair???? ; hell, I never truly liked her music (Fuck and Run remains a personal favourite of mine, though) but damn SHE IS hot...now glad she posed for men's magazines...

JoeTyler said:

VoicesCarry said:

She tried to go commercial and started posing for men's magazines like Stuff - that's a fuckin' sellout.

THAT's Liz Phair???? ; hell, I never truly liked her music (Fuck and Run remains a personal favourite of mine, though) but damn SHE IS hot...now glad she posed for men's magazines...

She did, and she also released an album that sounded like a watered-down Avril Lavigne (which is hard to do), which flopped. Everyone LOL'd.

as far as popular musicians go

prince is the ANTETHESIS of sell out

MJ?

selling fizzy drinks and shoes?

fuckin sellout

missfee said:

Dewrede said:

selling out is changing your music style to the flavour of the month for financial gain

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Exactly. I don't know why some orgers are trying to act like they don't know what it means...let's be for real. The above definition is exactly what the term means.

Notable Examples:

-When M.C. Hammer went the gangsta rap route to sell more records.

-When Lionel Ritchie went solo and forgot where he came from.

-I read somewhere that people felt that Rod Stewart became a sellout when he recorded the disco song "If You Think I'm Sexy".

-And somebody else already mentioned David Bowie...but I happen to like "Let's Dance"

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I like Let's Dance and Do You Think I'm Sexy both

and i must admit i like some of Lionel Richie's sappy ballads as well

Now Shitney, you need to tone it down. You sound too black. You want a crossover hit don't you?

vainandy said:

Now Shitney, you need to tone it down. You sound too black. You want a crossover hit don't you?

Eh, I'm certainly not a fan but I think it is hard to argue that Whitney ever sold out. She's been doing pretty much the same kind of music her whole career, hasn't she? Sure, in the '90s her sound may have gotten slightly "blacker" but basically she has always done pop music.

rialb said:

vainandy said:

Now Shitney, you need to tone it down. You sound too black. You want a crossover hit don't you?

Eh, I'm certainly not a fan but I think it is hard to argue that Whitney ever sold out. She's been doing pretty much the same kind of music her whole career, hasn't she? Sure, in the '90s her sound may have gotten slightly "blacker" but basically she has always done pop music.

Hey, I'm just telling you what the old buzzard told her when she was recording her first album. Apparently, she followed his advice because that was the most dullest pop adult contemporary bullshit I had ever heard from a black artist at that time. And to make matters even worse, the dull asses started coming out of the woodwork after her and everything fun and funky quickly disappeared because the dead asses started trying to make the type of dull shit that made her so much money. She killed funk with her rhythmless little chicken legged ass and shit hop came along later and buried it.

Now, if she "sounded too black", which I find hard to believe because I consider her the "whitest" black woman that ever lived, but if she toned it down because he instructed her to so they could get a crossover hit, then she's a sellout.

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vainandy said:

rialb said:

Eh, I'm certainly not a fan but I think it is hard to argue that Whitney ever sold out. She's been doing pretty much the same kind of music her whole career, hasn't she? Sure, in the '90s her sound may have gotten slightly "blacker" but basically she has always done pop music.

Hey, I'm just telling you what the old buzzard told her when she was recording her first album. Apparently, she followed his advice because that was the most dullest pop adult contemporary bullshit I had ever heard from a black artist at that time. And to make matters even worse, the dull asses started coming out of the woodwork after her and everything fun and funky quickly disappeared because the dead asses started trying to make the type of dull shit that made her so much money. She killed funk with her rhythmless little chicken legged ass and shit hop came along later and buried it.

Now, if she "sounded too black", which I find hard to believe because I consider her the "whitest" black woman that ever lived, but if she toned it down because he instructed her to so they could get a crossover hit, then she's a sellout.

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I Hate when some artists get so much hate for changing a sound.

Van Halen purists freaked out when ''Jump'' came out cause EDVH was not playing guitar the entire song! or when any rock band added synthesizers or piano what's the big deal? it's an instrument right?

Little Richard is one of the king's of R&R and what's his instrument? piano

Jerry Lee Lewis rock icon! instrument is a piano.

Guns N Roses Use Your Illusion albums which combined i think is a masterpiece, but some people thought it was wrong that they added pianos and orchestras to the mix. Why? i mean Appetite is one of the best hard rock albums no doubt but UYI has more depth and the musicianship is even more top notch.

Just my two pennys

Cerebus said:

I saw Metallica open for Ozzy in 1985 and I've been a hardcore fan ever since. Metallica's music was still Metallica until Load/Re-Load/S&M. Then things got all weird and stuff. I know some people thought they sold out on the Black Album, but I'm not one of them. That album rocks hard in the car, in the house and in the headphones. Plus, that tour was seriously ass-kicking! But when the came back after that with haircuts and makeup for Load I was all like, huh?! Thankfully they've found themselves in recent years.

I don't hold anything against Lars or Metallica for sueing Napster. Back then it was new and scary and very few people understood that the service it provided was going to play such a major role in the future distribution of music. There was no iTunes, or any other legal form of digital music distribution (to the best of my knowledge). A lot of artists felt the exactly same way Metallica did. But none of them were willing to push their fan bases as far as Metallica to try and protect their intellectual property (something all other artists are allowed to do without being given shit about it).

Indeed=] Black Album rock's every song is great!

Load/reload is the blah point while there are some good song' they really took it down a notch musically and with song writing.

Garage Inc. despite being a covers albums rocked though!

Nelly Furtado

midiscover said:

Nelly Furtado

Loose was the jump off. I think it's her best record.

VoicesCarry said:

midiscover said:

Nelly Furtado

Loose was the jump off. I think it's her best record.

.......so said the man that was disappointed when Madonna sold-out by doing the same thing with the same producer (Timbaland) that did it with Nelly Furtado.

TonyVanDam said:

VoicesCarry said:

Loose was the jump off. I think it's her best record.

.......so said the man that was disappointed when Madonna sold-out by doing the same thing with the same producer (Timbaland) that did it with Nelly Furtado.

There's a difference between good music and bad music, Tony. Duh.

VoicesCarry said:

TonyVanDam said:

.......so said the man that was disappointed when Madonna sold-out by doing the same thing with the same producer (Timbaland) that did it with Nelly Furtado.

There's a difference between good music and bad music, Tony. Duh.

And then there are two different tracks for 2 different female artists that were done with the same drum machine & synths (which is typical in hip-hop/r&b either way).

If any other female artist would have done 4 Minutes besides Madonna, they would have been one of the best at that moment. But since this is Madonna the queen of pop, she sold-out in the eyes of some of her biggest die-hards.

TonyVanDam said:

VoicesCarry said:

There's a difference between good music and bad music, Tony. Duh.

And then there are two different tracks for 2 different female artists that were done with the same drum machine & synths (which is typical in hip-hop/r&b either way).

If any other female artist would have done 4 Minutes besides Madonna, they would have been one of the best at that moment. But since this is Madonna the queen of pop, she sold-out in the eyes of some of her biggest die-hards.

If Madonna had done a track as good as Showtime or Say It Right, I would not have complained.

When Nelly made Loose, it was a great collaboration with Timbo - it seemed right and the production was top notch. Moreover, the music was infused with Nelly's own sound and personality; it wasn't a Timbo record, it was a Nelly record at heart. And she genuinely had an interest in hip hop and you could feel the joy in the record. The reviews generally bore out that opinion.

I have no problems with Madonna working with Timbaland. Unfortunately, Madonna is known for working with a producer and bringing out the best in him/her by putting her own spin on their sound. 4 Minutes was just Timbo doing Timbo and nothing more. And she was about 2 years too late, when she is known for being 2 years early. It was a cynical record. That's why a lot of people thought Hard Candy was crap.

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Gunsnhalen said:

I Hate when some artists get so much hate for changing a sound.

Van Halen purists freaked out when ''Jump'' came out cause EDVH was not playing guitar the entire song! or when any rock band added synthesizers or piano what's the big deal? it's an instrument right?

Little Richard is one of the king's of R&R and what's his instrument? piano

Jerry Lee Lewis rock icon! instrument is a piano.

Guns N Roses Use Your Illusion albums which combined i think is a masterpiece, but some people thought it was wrong that they added pianos and orchestras to the mix. Why? i mean Appetite is one of the best hard rock albums no doubt but UYI has more depth and the musicianship is even more top notch.

Just my two pennys

Don't forget that "Paradise City" features prominent use of a synthesizer which.

JustErin said:

A lot of people call others "sellouts" when they achieve mainstream success...which is ridiculous because that's really what every artists wants.

Most times it is simply used out of jealousy.

It's not when they achieve mainstream success, it's when they stop being themselves and change or do what's popular IN ORDER TO achieve mainstream success.

The phrase is also used besides with famous people. Another use it among different races.

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rialb said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I Hate when some artists get so much hate for changing a sound.

Van Halen purists freaked out when ''Jump'' came out cause EDVH was not playing guitar the entire song! or when any rock band added synthesizers or piano what's the big deal? it's an instrument right?

Little Richard is one of the king's of R&R and what's his instrument? piano

Jerry Lee Lewis rock icon! instrument is a piano.

Guns N Roses Use Your Illusion albums which combined i think is a masterpiece, but some people thought it was wrong that they added pianos and orchestras to the mix. Why? i mean Appetite is one of the best hard rock albums no doubt but UYI has more depth and the musicianship is even more top notch.

Just my two pennys

Don't forget that "Paradise City" features prominent use of a synthesizer which.

Good point=] i forgot to mention that!

Why did no one complain about that but god forbid Estranged have a piano solo

VoicesCarry said:

vainandy said:

Hey, I'm just telling you what the old buzzard told her when she was recording her first album. Apparently, she followed his advice because that was the most dullest pop adult contemporary bullshit I had ever heard from a black artist at that time. And to make matters even worse, the dull asses started coming out of the woodwork after her and everything fun and funky quickly disappeared because the dead asses started trying to make the type of dull shit that made her so much money. She killed funk with her rhythmless little chicken legged ass and shit hop came along later and buried it.

Now, if she "sounded too black", which I find hard to believe because I consider her the "whitest" black woman that ever lived, but if she toned it down because he instructed her to so they could get a crossover hit, then she's a sellout.

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Did you make this? and can i use it? LOL it's had loling for minutes

NDRU said:

I remember reading an interview with Mariah after her first album, and she was saying it was more pop than she wanted it to be, but that once she got more control the music would get more real ...uh, ok

Nice.

Probably not unlike Elvis making all those forgettable films. If you're constantly rewarded beyond imagination for that which probably had very little to do with your youthful ideals, you start to slowly become that record that this youth-obsessed culture has come to expect/demand.

VoicesCarry said:

vainandy said:

Hey, I'm just telling you what the old buzzard told her when she was recording her first album. Apparently, she followed his advice because that was the most dullest pop adult contemporary bullshit I had ever heard from a black artist at that time. And to make matters even worse, the dull asses started coming out of the woodwork after her and everything fun and funky quickly disappeared because the dead asses started trying to make the type of dull shit that made her so much money. She killed funk with her rhythmless little chicken legged ass and shit hop came along later and buried it.

Now, if she "sounded too black", which I find hard to believe because I consider her the "whitest" black woman that ever lived, but if she toned it down because he instructed her to so they could get a crossover hit, then she's a sellout.

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The upside of recent state of music,,,or lack of is, folks stopped giving a damn about who's a sellout and who's not, they're HUNGRY for anything fresh and unpredictable that could stand out in these mundane playlists that get shoved down our throats by network TV and radio.

vainandy said:

Now Shitney, you need to tone it down. You sound too black. You want a crossover hit don't you?

Dang it VA, you got there before me. I was going to site her as an example of a career that really had an inverse sales-out strategy. Though, who would have known it back then, she had an expiration date - or do those 6s mean something else?

(To be honest, I loved her voice, just hated her music.)