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Reply #90 posted 08/08/10 12:49pm

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alphastreet said:

yeah I have heard that, can't remember where

Me, neither. I would love to read it again.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #91 posted 08/08/10 1:25pm

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Here's a performance from Kriyss Grant. I see Michael's influence rubbed off on him major. I see a few steps incorporated from the THIS IS IT routines, along with "2 Bad"

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Reply #92 posted 08/08/10 3:03pm

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Someone asked for the T.S. lyrics:

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YOU DON'T NEED A BUS PASS FOR ME TO BUS YOUR ASS,NIGGA !
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Reply #93 posted 08/08/10 5:04pm

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ali23 said:

Someone asked for the T.S. lyrics:

[img:$uid]http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab267/95448562/mjjj18.jpg[/img:$uid]

The lyrics are totally changed compared to the HIStory version. I'd love to hear his demo

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Reply #94 posted 08/08/10 5:10pm

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Timmy84 said:

"Don't Stop 'til You Get Enough" is a classic, both the song AND the video. biggrin

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Reply #95 posted 08/08/10 5:12pm

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I Wish Michael had performed don't stop till you get enough more .

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Reply #96 posted 08/08/10 5:14pm

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babybugz said:

I Wish Michael had performed don't stop till you get enough more .

I thing he should have performed it during Victory tour. I think after Victory era, his voice didn't suit the song anymore.

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Reply #97 posted 08/08/10 5:20pm

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ViintageJunkiie said:

babybugz said:

I Wish Michael had performed don't stop till you get enough more .

I thing he should have performed it during Victory tour. I think after Victory era, his voice didn't suit the song anymore.

He was still singing rock with you he could have performed that lol He didn't sing alot of his early hits too much after though.(Well to me he didn't)

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Reply #98 posted 08/08/10 6:04pm

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babybugz said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I thing he should have performed it during Victory tour. I think after Victory era, his voice didn't suit the song anymore.

He was still singing rock with you he could have performed that lol He didn't sing alot of his early hits too much after though.(Well to me he didn't)

LOL but I dont think he could have kept up with hitting those high notes

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Reply #99 posted 08/08/10 6:14pm

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Timmy84 said:

EmeraldSkies said:

*pulls out HIStory booklet* Alpha's right Timmy,there not in there. shrug

Oh for real? neutral

I have to admit it's been years and I don't know what I did with the booklet lol

[Edited 8/8/10 0:28am]

omfg It's not with your CD's?

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Reply #100 posted 08/08/10 6:54pm

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Smokey Robinson's 2009 take of J5's 1969 classic, I Want You Back just came up on my iPod and it finally settled with me. I personally thought that his new album Time Flies When You're Having Fun was an underappreciated record and that his cover of this classic fell under the cracks, but it's so jazzy and smooth.

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Reply #101 posted 08/08/10 9:45pm

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I Wish Michael had performed don't stop till you get enough more .

On the BluRay version of This Is It, Michael actually sings a few parts of Don't Stop and it was one of the songs that they rehearsed for the series of concerts.

Swa

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Reply #102 posted 08/08/10 9:49pm

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silverchild said:

Smokey Robinson's 2009 take of J5's 1969 classic, I Want You Back just came up on my iPod and it finally settled with me. I personally thought that his new album Time Flies When You're Having Fun was an underappreciated record and that his cover of this classic fell under the cracks, but it's so jazzy and smooth.

^^ Sheryl Crow also does a version on her latest album 100 Miles for Memphis and has dedicated it to MJ. The title is I Want You Back (For Michael with love).

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Reply #103 posted 08/08/10 10:36pm

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EmeraldSkies said:

Timmy84 said:

Oh for real? neutral

I have to admit it's been years and I don't know what I did with the booklet lol

[Edited 8/8/10 0:28am]

omfg It's not with your CD's?

Yes it...did. I said I forgot the booklet. Not that I didn't have it. lol

I throw CD cases out too. I got a small ass room the fuck I'm gonna keep it for? lol

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Reply #104 posted 08/08/10 10:52pm

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The fandom phenomenon

August 9, 2010 - 8:17AM

Michael Jackson fans mourn his death in Beijing.

Michael Jackson fans mourn his death in Beijing. Photo: AFP

Why do fans take things so personally? Long-suffering R.E.M. acolyte Barry Divola puts himself and other tragics on the stand.

Sometimes I think my fandom, like my hair, is a thing of the past. Then four little words can turn me back into a sad, obsessive geek.

"It's a personal favourite," writes R.E.M. guitarist Peter Buck in the liner notes to the recently re-released deluxe edition of the band's 1985 album Fables of the Reconstruction. "Oh no, it's not!" I exclaimed on reading his words, in a voice worryingly like that of a six-year-old girl who has felt wronged in some way.

You see, I know things. I am a fan. For me and R.E.M., the first kiss happened when I walked into my local record shop in 1983 to redeem a gift voucher. Flicking through the racks, I saw a record cover that intrigued me. It was a photograph of what looked like the surface of another planet, but was in fact thick tangles of kudzu grass in the American south. The album was R.E.M.'s debut, Murmur. I had no idea who R.E.M. were, but I loved that cover, which impelled me to hand over the voucher and take the album home. As soon as the stylus of my turntable hit the vinyl and those first snare cracks at the beginning ofRadio Free Europe rang out, I was a goner.


R.E.M's Michael Stipe.

R.E.M's Michael Stipe. Photo: Reuters

On my first trip to the US, I undertook a pilgrimage (yes,Pilgrimage is the name of a song from Murmur; yes, I thought this was significant) to Athens, the college town in Georgia where they came from. This wasn't as a journalist but as a hopelessly devoted geek. I wanted to see for myself the place that had produced this music I loved. You can basically experience everything Athens has to offer in about 48 hours. I hung around for a week.

In 1985 I adored and treasured Fables of the Reconstruction, but I know that R.E.M. didn't like it at all. In fact, they were depressed and on the verge of breaking up when they made it. They felt unprepared and they were stuck recording in miserable March in London. Michael Stipe called the record "dark, dank and paranoid". The producer Joe Boyd later said: "I know the group doesn't like it, and that's obviously a source of disappointment to me." And Buck himself said this of the closing track: "I always hated Wendell Gee."

R.E.M. and I had a good run and were happy together for a long time, but then we drifted apart. Every serious fan knows that the band vowed that if one of the group left, they would break up. In 1997, drummer Bill Berry left. R.E.M. continued. They started to suck. I knew they would. It's a fan's job to know. Up (1998) andReveal (2001) didn't completely suck, but they weren't particularly good, either. Around the Sun (2004) sucked so hard that the band could have been sponsored by Electrolux.

Fans set up a makeshift camp a week before the LA screening of Twilight Eclipse.

Fans set up a makeshift camp a week before the LA screening of Twilight Eclipse.

So, why do I still care so much? Why, as an otherwise rational human being, can Buck's words suddenly send me hurtling back to 1985?

"It's not irrational," says Cornel Sandvoss, senior lecturer in the Department of Sociology at the University of Surrey and author of the books Fans and A Game of Two Halves. "Being an R.E.M. fan is one of the strands of your identity. You believed the band to be one thing and they turned out differently, hence expectation is disappointed."

The late, great American music writer Lester Bangs once wrote: "It's tough having heroes. It's the hardest thing in the world. It's harder than beng a hero."

I know exactly what he meant. Heroes can let you down and fans feel it so keenly because they feel they know their heroes so well. "Knowing" a star is, of course, a relative term. Even though fans have probably never met their idol, and probably never will, they spend so much time studying them, gathering information about them, obsessing over them and sharing with other fans in online and real-life communities that in many ways they do know them.

"Fans become so highly knowledgeable that they can interpret new material, career changes, marketing strategies and so on in the light of years of previous engagement," says Dr Matt Hills, reader in Media and Cultural Studies at Cardiff University and author of the book Fan Cultures. "Fandom brings with it a keen sense of discrimination and distinction, as fans evaluate highs and lows in an idol's output."

When the idol doesn't conform to expectations, the backlash can cause whiplash. Bob Dylan experienced this when he picked up an electric guitar in 1965. Many Elvis Costello fans - and I count myself among that greying, geeky collective - wish he'd keep making his first five albums over and over again. Woody Allen satirised his own fanbase when he had an encounter with an alien in the 1980 film Stardust Memories, who told him: "We enjoy your films. Particularly the early funny ones." In the most extreme case of fan retribution, Mark Chapman was so incensed that John Lennon had sold out and become a phony (in Chapman's opinion) that he shot him dead in 1980.

"Fans care intensely about their fan objects, but they also tend to value consistencies and ongoing narratives," Hills says. "Fandom doesn't always deal so well with changes - line-up changes, bands breaking up and so on can all affect the 'authenticity' of the fan object in the fans' eyes."

Both Hills and Sandvoss are at pains to point out that fandom gets bad press. Yes, the love between fan and idol is unrequited and fandom does blur the line between fantasy and reality, but, then again, they say, so does "real" love between two people. We can be let down by a romantic partner just as easily as we can be let down by a pop star, because we have expectations of them both. Hills sees fandom as an "energising passion", where the love can be shared with other fans, as they build communities of like-minded people.

Indeed, fan communities can become so strong that fandom becomes more about the fans than the stars. The British journalist Sheryl Garratt has written about her Bay City Rollers fandom as a teenager in the 1970s.

"Looking back now, I hardly remember the gigs themselves, the songs, or even what the Rollers looked like," she wrote in the 1984 book Signed, Sealed And Delivered: True Stories of Women in Pop. "What I do remember are the bus rides, running home from school together to get to someone's house in time to watch Shang-a-Lang on TV, dancing in lines at the school disco and sitting in each others' bedrooms discussing our fantasies and compiling our scrap-books. Our real obsession was with ourselves: in the end, the actual men behind the posters had very little to do with it at all."

My 1998 book Fanclub had the subtitle It's a Fan's World, Pop Stars Just Live in it. I spent a year diving headfirst into the rabbit hole that is pop music fandom to find out what made the devoted so devoted. I attended Abba and Kiss conventions. I put a Sherbet and a Skyhooks fan in a room together to see if only one would emerge alive. I hung out with fans at airports at five in the morning waiting for a member of Take That to arrive. And at the book launch, all these different fans got along famously. My Kiss fan, a dreadlocked metal dude, chatted amiably with my Abba fan, a gay man who liked to dress up as Frida, and my Duran Duran fan, a magazine writer in her 30s who admitted she still had a piece of paper that she'd rubbed up against Nick Rhodes's dirty car in the '80s. They mightn't have understood each other's tastes, but they understood each other's enthusiasm and obsession. Fans speak the same language, it's just the dialects that are slightly different.

Twelve years later, there's one fan from Fanclub I particularly wonder about. Her fandom was extraordinary. She spoke about her idol with such passion and conviction, and she even managed to get up onstage at a Sydney concert in 1996 and dance with him. In the intervening years, so much had happened to her idol, and none of it was good - he'd been in a court case involving allegations of child molestation, he'd been criticised for dangling his own child over a hotel balcony, his stalled career and money problems had been pilloried by the media and then, on June 25 last year, he died of a heart attack at 50.

Yes, Loretta Tolnay was a Michael Jackson fan. Back then she told me that she would quite literally take a bullet for him, because "in the bigger picture and the greater scheme of things, I'm more dispensable than he is". But that was a long time ago. Would the light of fandom have dimmed in the intervening years?

No, as it turns out. Tolnay is now a 37-year-old learning and development consultant. The night before Jackson died, Tolnay went to bed happy. She had just found out she was pregnant with her second child. The next morning her phone rang with the bad news about her idol.

"My first reaction was disbelief, then horror when I realised it was true," she says. "I sobbed every day for weeks. I put on my work face and went into the office, but I kept running into the bathroom in tears. I couldn't control it. It was terrible."

In the following weeks, Jackson's music was played on the radio more than it had been in years. Normally Tolnay would have been happy and proud of that, but something had changed for her.

"There's a weight in my heart whenever a song of his comes on now," she says. "It makes me realise he's no longer with us and there's going to be no new music and I'll never get to see him on stage again. Unfortunately, I just can't separate the music from the sadness at the moment. I'm a grown woman with a little family, but it still affects me so much. I hope that will pass."

Tolnay and her husband like to say they met through a mutual friend. Eduardo Bolton was also a Jackson fan, who happened to work at the Sheraton on the Park when the star was staying there on his 1996 tour. Bolton wasn't rostered to work the day that Jackson was arriving but worked for free so he could carry the star's bags to his room. A year later, Tolnay was at the hotel and on a whim decided to inquire about having a look at the presidential suite on the pretext that she was planning a function - in reality she wanted to see the place where Jackson married Debbie Rowe in 1996. The person on the desk that night was Bolton, who immediately recognised her as the girl who danced on stage a year beforehand.

The two started dating and in 2003 they decided to marry. Tolnay sent a letter to Jackson. She included photos of the two of them on stage and wrote, "I just wanted to let you know that that moment where I danced with you onstage was the catalyst for two people meeting, and we're getting married this year."

Later that year, the compilation album Number Ones was released. There in the liner notes it says: "'L'" and 'E' - to the future with all my love. Love, Michael Jackson."

"I was so proud and happy that before he died, he knew his life had such a huge impact on these two people all the way around the other side of the world," she says. "If it wasn't for him and our shared appreciation of him, Eduardo and I would never have met. And I was glad that Michael got to hear a good story from some fans, instead of all these people trying to extort money from him or bring him down. He deserved to know that."

In 2008, when Tolnay gave birth to her first child, she dearly wanted to call him Michael. Unfortunately, her married name is Bolton. Even fans have limits. She settled for Miguel.

Source: theage.com.au

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Reply #105 posted 08/08/10 11:41pm

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Timmy84 said:

EmeraldSkies said:

omfg It's not with your CD's?

Yes it...did. I said I forgot the booklet. Not that I didn't have it. lol

I throw CD cases out too. I got a small ass room the fuck I'm gonna keep it for? lol

lol

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Reply #106 posted 08/09/10 12:00am

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Swa said:

The fandom phenomenon

August 9, 2010 - 8:17AM

Michael Jackson fans mourn his death in Beijing.

Michael Jackson fans mourn his death in Beijing. Photo: AFP

Why do fans take things so personally? Long-suffering R.E.M. acolyte Barry Divola puts himself and other tragics on the stand.

Sometimes I think my fandom, like my hair, is a thing of the past. Then four little words can turn me back into a sad, obsessive geek.

"It's a personal favourite," writes R.E.M. guitarist Peter Buck in the liner notes to the recently re-released deluxe edition of the band's 1985 album Fables of the Reconstruction. "Oh no, it's not!" I exclaimed on reading his words, in a voice worryingly like that of a six-year-old girl who has felt wronged in some way.

You see, I know things. I am a fan. For me and R.E.M., the first kiss happened when I walked into my local record shop in 1983 to redeem a gift voucher. Flicking through the racks, I saw a record cover that intrigued me. It was a photograph of what looked like the surface of another planet, but was in fact thick tangles of kudzu grass in the American south. The album was R.E.M.'s debut, Murmur. I had no idea who R.E.M. were, but I loved that cover, which impelled me to hand over the voucher and take the album home. As soon as the stylus of my turntable hit the vinyl and those first snare cracks at the beginning ofRadio Free Europe rang out, I was a goner.


R.E.M's Michael Stipe.

R.E.M's Michael Stipe. Photo: Reuters

On my first trip to the US, I undertook a pilgrimage (yes,Pilgrimage is the name of a song from Murmur; yes, I thought this was significant) to Athens, the college town in Georgia where they came from. This wasn't as a journalist but as a hopelessly devoted geek. I wanted to see for myself the place that had produced this music I loved. You can basically experience everything Athens has to offer in about 48 hours. I hung around for a week.

In 1985 I adored and treasured Fables of the Reconstruction, but I know that R.E.M. didn't like it at all. In fact, they were depressed and on the verge of breaking up when they made it. They felt unprepared and they were stuck recording in miserable March in London. Michael Stipe called the record "dark, dank and paranoid". The producer Joe Boyd later said: "I know the group doesn't like it, and that's obviously a source of disappointment to me." And Buck himself said this of the closing track: "I always hated Wendell Gee."

R.E.M. and I had a good run and were happy together for a long time, but then we drifted apart. Every serious fan knows that the band vowed that if one of the group left, they would break up. In 1997, drummer Bill Berry left. R.E.M. continued. They started to suck. I knew they would. It's a fan's job to know. Up (1998) andReveal (2001) didn't completely suck, but they weren't particularly good, either. Around the Sun (2004) sucked so hard that the band could have been sponsored by Electrolux.

Fans set up a makeshift camp a week before the LA screening of Twilight Eclipse.

Fans set up a makeshift camp a week before the LA screening of Twilight Eclipse.

So, why do I still care so much? Why, as an otherwise rational human being, can Buck's words suddenly send me hurtling back to 1985?

"It's not irrational," says Cornel Sandvoss, senior lecturer in the Department of Sociology at the University of Surrey and author of the books Fans and A Game of Two Halves. "Being an R.E.M. fan is one of the strands of your identity. You believed the band to be one thing and they turned out differently, hence expectation is disappointed."

The late, great American music writer Lester Bangs once wrote: "It's tough having heroes. It's the hardest thing in the world. It's harder than beng a hero."

I know exactly what he meant. Heroes can let you down and fans feel it so keenly because they feel they know their heroes so well. "Knowing" a star is, of course, a relative term. Even though fans have probably never met their idol, and probably never will, they spend so much time studying them, gathering information about them, obsessing over them and sharing with other fans in online and real-life communities that in many ways they do know them.

"Fans become so highly knowledgeable that they can interpret new material, career changes, marketing strategies and so on in the light of years of previous engagement," says Dr Matt Hills, reader in Media and Cultural Studies at Cardiff University and author of the book Fan Cultures. "Fandom brings with it a keen sense of discrimination and distinction, as fans evaluate highs and lows in an idol's output."

When the idol doesn't conform to expectations, the backlash can cause whiplash. Bob Dylan experienced this when he picked up an electric guitar in 1965. Many Elvis Costello fans - and I count myself among that greying, geeky collective - wish he'd keep making his first five albums over and over again. Woody Allen satirised his own fanbase when he had an encounter with an alien in the 1980 film Stardust Memories, who told him: "We enjoy your films. Particularly the early funny ones." In the most extreme case of fan retribution, Mark Chapman was so incensed that John Lennon had sold out and become a phony (in Chapman's opinion) that he shot him dead in 1980.

"Fans care intensely about their fan objects, but they also tend to value consistencies and ongoing narratives," Hills says. "Fandom doesn't always deal so well with changes - line-up changes, bands breaking up and so on can all affect the 'authenticity' of the fan object in the fans' eyes."

Both Hills and Sandvoss are at pains to point out that fandom gets bad press. Yes, the love between fan and idol is unrequited and fandom does blur the line between fantasy and reality, but, then again, they say, so does "real" love between two people. We can be let down by a romantic partner just as easily as we can be let down by a pop star, because we have expectations of them both. Hills sees fandom as an "energising passion", where the love can be shared with other fans, as they build communities of like-minded people.

Indeed, fan communities can become so strong that fandom becomes more about the fans than the stars. The British journalist Sheryl Garratt has written about her Bay City Rollers fandom as a teenager in the 1970s.

"Looking back now, I hardly remember the gigs themselves, the songs, or even what the Rollers looked like," she wrote in the 1984 book Signed, Sealed And Delivered: True Stories of Women in Pop. "What I do remember are the bus rides, running home from school together to get to someone's house in time to watch Shang-a-Lang on TV, dancing in lines at the school disco and sitting in each others' bedrooms discussing our fantasies and compiling our scrap-books. Our real obsession was with ourselves: in the end, the actual men behind the posters had very little to do with it at all."

My 1998 book Fanclub had the subtitle It's a Fan's World, Pop Stars Just Live in it. I spent a year diving headfirst into the rabbit hole that is pop music fandom to find out what made the devoted so devoted. I attended Abba and Kiss conventions. I put a Sherbet and a Skyhooks fan in a room together to see if only one would emerge alive. I hung out with fans at airports at five in the morning waiting for a member of Take That to arrive. And at the book launch, all these different fans got along famously. My Kiss fan, a dreadlocked metal dude, chatted amiably with my Abba fan, a gay man who liked to dress up as Frida, and my Duran Duran fan, a magazine writer in her 30s who admitted she still had a piece of paper that she'd rubbed up against Nick Rhodes's dirty car in the '80s. They mightn't have understood each other's tastes, but they understood each other's enthusiasm and obsession. Fans speak the same language, it's just the dialects that are slightly different.

Twelve years later, there's one fan from Fanclub I particularly wonder about. Her fandom was extraordinary. She spoke about her idol with such passion and conviction, and she even managed to get up onstage at a Sydney concert in 1996 and dance with him. In the intervening years, so much had happened to her idol, and none of it was good - he'd been in a court case involving allegations of child molestation, he'd been criticised for dangling his own child over a hotel balcony, his stalled career and money problems had been pilloried by the media and then, on June 25 last year, he died of a heart attack at 50.

Yes, Loretta Tolnay was a Michael Jackson fan. Back then she told me that she would quite literally take a bullet for him, because "in the bigger picture and the greater scheme of things, I'm more dispensable than he is". But that was a long time ago. Would the light of fandom have dimmed in the intervening years?

No, as it turns out. Tolnay is now a 37-year-old learning and development consultant. The night before Jackson died, Tolnay went to bed happy. She had just found out she was pregnant with her second child. The next morning her phone rang with the bad news about her idol.

"My first reaction was disbelief, then horror when I realised it was true," she says. "I sobbed every day for weeks. I put on my work face and went into the office, but I kept running into the bathroom in tears. I couldn't control it. It was terrible."

In the following weeks, Jackson's music was played on the radio more than it had been in years. Normally Tolnay would have been happy and proud of that, but something had changed for her.

"There's a weight in my heart whenever a song of his comes on now," she says. "It makes me realise he's no longer with us and there's going to be no new music and I'll never get to see him on stage again. Unfortunately, I just can't separate the music from the sadness at the moment. I'm a grown woman with a little family, but it still affects me so much. I hope that will pass."

Tolnay and her husband like to say they met through a mutual friend. Eduardo Bolton was also a Jackson fan, who happened to work at the Sheraton on the Park when the star was staying there on his 1996 tour. Bolton wasn't rostered to work the day that Jackson was arriving but worked for free so he could carry the star's bags to his room. A year later, Tolnay was at the hotel and on a whim decided to inquire about having a look at the presidential suite on the pretext that she was planning a function - in reality she wanted to see the place where Jackson married Debbie Rowe in 1996. The person on the desk that night was Bolton, who immediately recognised her as the girl who danced on stage a year beforehand.

The two started dating and in 2003 they decided to marry. Tolnay sent a letter to Jackson. She included photos of the two of them on stage and wrote, "I just wanted to let you know that that moment where I danced with you onstage was the catalyst for two people meeting, and we're getting married this year."

Later that year, the compilation album Number Ones was released. There in the liner notes it says: "'L'" and 'E' - to the future with all my love. Love, Michael Jackson."

"I was so proud and happy that before he died, he knew his life had such a huge impact on these two people all the way around the other side of the world," she says. "If it wasn't for him and our shared appreciation of him, Eduardo and I would never have met. And I was glad that Michael got to hear a good story from some fans, instead of all these people trying to extort money from him or bring him down. He deserved to know that."

In 2008, when Tolnay gave birth to her first child, she dearly wanted to call him Michael. Unfortunately, her married name is Bolton. Even fans have limits. She settled for Miguel.

Source: theage.com.au

Thank you for posting this Swa,it was a great article. LOL! at her second kid almost being named Michael Bolton.

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Reply #107 posted 08/09/10 1:37am

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ali23 said:

Someone asked for the T.S. lyrics:

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Thanks.

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Continuing the journey through Michael's solo work one album a week, we arrive at Dangerous. Share your thoughts on what this album means to you.

Dangerous

In the years since BAD was released Michael’s start both shone bright and was also tarnished by the slew of Wacko Jacko stories. For a while it seemed the tabloid persona was overshadowing the music. And despite Bad’s record setting 5 consecutive #1 singles, many critics labelled the album a failure due it to not outselling Thriller - a feat that was beyond repeating.

So when Dangerous was released the critics were ready to write it off as the music of a has been who was no longer relevant. But as soon as you pressed play on the CD player you knew it was a return to form.

With a smashing of glass (as if to smash all built up expectation) the album kicks of with the thumping Jam. The beats, crisp and sharp underpin a song that is layered with a global message of concern in some of Michael’s most well crafted lyrics. The arrangement, whilst sparse and void of a bass line for the most part, allows for Michael’s vocals to come to the fore accentuated with occasional horn stabs here and there. The rap by Heavy D was a case of keeping it in the family as he role call’s his previous cameo’s on tracks by Janet and Teddy Riley’s band Guy. This song still has a hard edge with its sudden attacks and is still as funky as it felt back in 92. Of note, this was the first time Michael had incorporated scratching into the musical landscape, and it plays nicely against the old skool funk guitar and horn lines in the final minutes.

Without letting the listener catch a breath, Why You Wanna Trip On Me comes bursting through the speakers. Its soaring guitar intro first makes you think you are about to go head first into a rock track only to have it twist into a funk rhythm and classic funk riff. The stop start feel of the song made it instantly appealing. With a new jack swing touch the beat lays the foundation for Michael to spit out the insanity of being a target for the press when there are bigger issues in the world that need attention. And in classic Michael arrangement, the verses are hard hitting while the verses float in blissful harmonies. Destined to be a fan favourite hearing a snippet of the song in the This Is It movie gave those of us that had always wanted to hear it live a moment of joy.

In The Closet (with its Mystery Girl duet – read Princess Stephanie of Monaco) remains one of Michael’s most sexually suggestive songs – maybe as a challenge to his first choice of vocal partner, Madonna. Once again the beats are sharp but this time have a bit of seduction to them as Michael teases his way through the verses and once again shows why he was unbeatable in the harmony stakes when his vocals are layered against each other in the chorus. Throughout the song Michael uses his voice as a key instrument punctuation the verses with almost doo-wop deliveries and whispered “come ons”. Whilst at times Michael’s lead vocals have a touch of roughness to them, the backing vocal harmonies are as smooth as the finest silk. With a classic MJ touch, the song is laden with melody and vocal hooks from the false start chorus of “she was it give it, ahhh she want’s to give it” to the officially ordained chorus with its falsetto “there’s something about you baby that makes me want to give it to you”. Michael’s spoken word segments also feel more natural than his soft-spoken intro to Don’t Stop or I Just Can’t Stop Loving You. Musically the song has many phrases and it’s not surprise that this track alone spawned over a dozen remixes. Still seductive and still infectious this is one of Michael’s often forgotten about musical gems despite it being a single.

Whereas the first three songs of the album played with and expanded the new jack swing formula, She Drives Me Wild doesn’t mess with it and presents all the key elements of a new jack song. A moment of inventiveness is present in the way that various car sounds are incorporated into the musical landscape from car horns, to tyre skids, to slamming doors, to revving motors. One of the album’s clear-cut dance songs, She Drives Me Wild doesn’t offer lyrics you will find deep meaning but instead provides a fun infectious love song that was guaranteed to be pumped out of speakers all through clubland.

From the opening run of bass notes, Remember The Time just grabs you. The groove is more seductive than some of the harder hitting rhythms that had preceded it. Michael’s delivery is on point, and once again the backing harmonies layer so perfectly they almost wash over the listener. From lush choruses to sparse verses that allow for just Michael’s voice to carry the melody the song became one of the instant stand out tracks of the album. It was a love song that was carried with such joy and celebration you couldn’t help but want to sing along. And whilst the songs either side of it suffer from sounding like derivative new jack songs – and thus place them in a moment of musical time – Remember the Time still sounds fresh and inviting over 15 years later.

Like She Drive Me Wild, Can’t Let Her Get Away is a pure new jack dance tune. Whilst not overly a stand out, the song still has elements that make it fun to listen to but does show a little wear all these years later. Closing out the album’s string of floor fillers, Can’t Let Her Get Away gives a clear not to the new jack vibe and satisfies those fans that wanted Michael to release a dance orientated album.

Whilst Dangerous was seen as a CD orientated album, the track listing (and vinyl release) suggests the listener view it more as a double album with the first 6 songs taking up sides A and B and Heal the World closing out the first disc. Whilst Michael’s heart is clearly in the right place on Heal The World, the childlike simplicity of the arrangement and the lush productions sadly has it come off as a light, overly saccharine track that boarders on the pompous, the song just feels like an overblown version of We Are The World and jars with edgier dance funk that preceded it.

Black or White was a great lead single for this album. The way it fused a great rock riff, with pop sensibilities and a touch of rap was a perfect introduction to where this album would go. While the whole “it’s too late” intro overstayed it’s welcome by about the 5th listen, there is no denying that Black or White is one of Michael’s iconic tracks. Perhaps driven in part by all the speculation around his appearance, this track continues in Michael’s “one world” ideology. Whereas at other points in the album Michael’s voice comes across as raspy and rough, here the verses are sung with such smoothness that the melody sweeps you up and carries you through the track. It’s a song that hooks you from the first beat. The breakdown/rap segment is a particular highlight with Michael’s vocals adding a punch to the rock guitar that grinds underneath, and then flipping it up the guitar effortlessly slides into a funk groove for the rap. With a sense of joy the backing vocals coax you to sing-along with their “yeah yeah yeahs” while Michaels little trumpet vocal trill at 3.26 just always makes me smile.

With an operatic opening Who Is It is built on the same musical credo of other classic tracks like Billie Jean. With its own immediately distinctive bass line, Who Is It delves a little deeper into the darker side of relationships and musically is quite haunting. Lyrically the desperation and paranoia that follows a breakup is present, almost palpable in the way Michael sings with a sense of yearning and pleading. Musically it offers several hooks without straying too far from the firm groove of the beat, but moments of punctuation with strings and synth beds draw the listener deeper and deeper into the track. For me this was one of Michael’s finest moments as a songwriter and also as a singer. And at 6.34 the song never feels like it has overstayed it’s welcome in the slightest, in fact a few more minutes in the hypnotic swing of the track wouldn’t have gone astray.

With the rock cross over blueprint firmly in place Michael unveils Give In To Me and produces another intriguing rock song. This years Eddie Van Halen is Slash and the rock is pushed a little harder to the point of near distortion. But with the roughness comes moments of sweetness like the vocal break down of “but it’s ok, it’s ok” before Slash delivers a melodically soaring solo that doesn’t try too hard to show off tricks but rather sits in the pocket and lets the flow of the solo build organically, the tricks are saved for the solo reprise at the 3.30 minute mark. Give In To Me slinks along and proves that no matter what genre Michael enters he can hold his own.

Picking up where Man In The Mirror left off, Will You Be There sees Michael pen his own gospel and choral inspired song with what are, to this point in his career, the most personal of lyrics and ones that would carry extra weight in the years that came after it. Steeped in deep harmonies that swell around him, Michael sings with a sense of honesty that both inspires and attracts. The stripped back arrangement, whilst sparse, lets the vocals truly shine and you can hear the pressures cracking in Michael’s delivery of “but I’m only human” (a fact lost on many a journalist and fan alike). The midpoint of the song is like a gentle climb up a summit, each step carried by the choir and Michael’s call and response. Each bar pushing higher and higher, and sweeping the listener up in the process until the soft landing of the final two minutes that allow Michael to speak about his life from his point of view, in words that would become strangely prophetic for the years that would unfold before him.

Continuing the gospel feel Keep The Faith sounds more like Man In The Mirror part 2, which isn’t in itself a bad thing, but sadly it comes off as a pale imitation. Whereas Will You Be There feels like, whilst inspired by it, it creates it’s own path and finds it’s own pace. Maybe it was that Keep The Faith follows Will You Be There that has it pale in comparison, almost feeling like Gospel by the numbers and strangely feeling uninspired. That all sad, there are elements that reward you for going with it, especially with a few of the vocal runs Michael throws into the mix.

Gone Too Soon with its dedication to Ryan White sees Michael in ballad mode. Once again the arrangement allows for Michael voice to shine “splendidly bright”. Initially this wasn’t a song that immediately grabs you, but over time you find little moments that reveal themselves to you. It might be the abandon Michael sings, “born to amuse” or the way he holds onto the note in “dying with the rising of the moon”. Sadly now this song is as much about the singer as it was about the subject.

As if closing out the album the way it began, Dangerous provides us with the perfect floor filler bookend. Once again Michael assumes the role of persecuted lover, but this time is drawn into the scene more than in previous explorations. It’s a touch Billie Jean, a touch Dirty Diana blended into solid dance floor filler. And whilst the song does close out the album with an infectious groove, the length of the track does make it begin to tire on the listener. Shaving a few minutes off it wouldn’t have been a bad idea.

With Dangerous, Michael reaffirmed his right to the title King of Pop and delivered an album that mixed genres in a way that was expected, if not demanded, of a Jackson release. Whilst a few low points (Heal The World, Keep The Faith) drag the album and perhaps should have been dropped entirely or substituted for the catchier and richer Someone Put Your Hand out, Dangerous is perhaps Michael’s most consistent album and the last where the listener could easily distance the tabloid persona from the talented creator.

A lot would change for Michael over the ensuing years, but for a brief moment in 1991 and through to 1993 Michael was once again exciting listeners and pushing the art of videos. And he began to rely less on imagined situations and fantasy to draw from as source material, and instead began to draw more on his own life and feelings making the album lyrically his most personal to date. Something that would continue, wether willingly or not, on the follow up HiStory.

Swa

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
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Continuing the journey through Michael's solo work one album a week, we arrive at Dangerous. Share your thoughts on what this album means to you.

Dangerous

In the years since BAD was released Michael’s start both shone bright and was also tarnished by the slew of Wacko Jacko stories. For a while it seemed the tabloid persona was overshadowing the music. And despite Bad’s record setting 5 consecutive #1 singles, many critics labelled the album a failure due it to not outselling Thriller - a feat that was beyond repeating.

So when Dangerous was released the critics were ready to write it off as the music of a has been who was no longer relevant. But as soon as you pressed play on the CD player you knew it was a return to form.

With a smashing of glass (as if to smash all built up expectation) the album kicks of with the thumping Jam. The beats, crisp and sharp underpin a song that is layered with a global message of concern in some of Michael’s most well crafted lyrics. The arrangement, whilst sparse and void of a bass line for the most part, allows for Michael’s vocals to come to the fore accentuated with occasional horn stabs here and there. The rap by Heavy D was a case of keeping it in the family as he role call’s his previous cameo’s on tracks by Janet and Teddy Riley’s band Guy. This song still has a hard edge with its sudden attacks and is still as funky as it felt back in 92. Of note, this was the first time Michael had incorporated scratching into the musical landscape, and it plays nicely against the old skool funk guitar and horn lines in the final minutes.

Without letting the listener catch a breath, Why You Wanna Trip On Me comes bursting through the speakers. Its soaring guitar intro first makes you think you are about to go head first into a rock track only to have it twist into a funk rhythm and classic funk riff. The stop start feel of the song made it instantly appealing. With a new jack swing touch the beat lays the foundation for Michael to spit out the insanity of being a target for the press when there are bigger issues in the world that need attention. And in classic Michael arrangement, the verses are hard hitting while the verses float in blissful harmonies. Destined to be a fan favourite hearing a snippet of the song in the This Is It movie gave those of us that had always wanted to hear it live a moment of joy.

In The Closet (with its Mystery Girl duet – read Princess Stephanie of Monaco) remains one of Michael’s most sexually suggestive songs – maybe as a challenge to his first choice of vocal partner, Madonna. Once again the beats are sharp but this time have a bit of seduction to them as Michael teases his way through the verses and once again shows why he was unbeatable in the harmony stakes when his vocals are layered against each other in the chorus. Throughout the song Michael uses his voice as a key instrument punctuation the verses with almost doo-wop deliveries and whispered “come ons”. Whilst at times Michael’s lead vocals have a touch of roughness to them, the backing vocal harmonies are as smooth as the finest silk. With a classic MJ touch, the song is laden with melody and vocal hooks from the false start chorus of “she was it give it, ahhh she want’s to give it” to the officially ordained chorus with its falsetto “there’s something about you baby that makes me want to give it to you”. Michael’s spoken word segments also feel more natural than his soft-spoken intro to Don’t Stop or I Just Can’t Stop Loving You. Musically the song has many phrases and it’s not surprise that this track alone spawned over a dozen remixes. Still seductive and still infectious this is one of Michael’s often forgotten about musical gems despite it being a single.

Whereas the first three songs of the album played with and expanded the new jack swing formula, She Drives Me Wild doesn’t mess with it and presents all the key elements of a new jack song. A moment of inventiveness is present in the way that various car sounds are incorporated into the musical landscape from car horns, to tyre skids, to slamming doors, to revving motors. One of the album’s clear-cut dance songs, She Drives Me Wild doesn’t offer lyrics you will find deep meaning but instead provides a fun infectious love song that was guaranteed to be pumped out of speakers all through clubland.

From the opening run of bass notes, Remember The Time just grabs you. The groove is more seductive than some of the harder hitting rhythms that had preceded it. Michael’s delivery is on point, and once again the backing harmonies layer so perfectly they almost wash over the listener. From lush choruses to sparse verses that allow for just Michael’s voice to carry the melody the song became one of the instant stand out tracks of the album. It was a love song that was carried with such joy and celebration you couldn’t help but want to sing along. And whilst the songs either side of it suffer from sounding like derivative new jack songs – and thus place them in a moment of musical time – Remember the Time still sounds fresh and inviting over 15 years later.

Like She Drive Me Wild, Can’t Let Her Get Away is a pure new jack dance tune. Whilst not overly a stand out, the song still has elements that make it fun to listen to but does show a little wear all these years later. Closing out the album’s string of floor fillers, Can’t Let Her Get Away gives a clear not to the new jack vibe and satisfies those fans that wanted Michael to release a dance orientated album.

Whilst Dangerous was seen as a CD orientated album, the track listing (and vinyl release) suggests the listener view it more as a double album with the first 6 songs taking up sides A and B and Heal the World closing out the first disc. Whilst Michael’s heart is clearly in the right place on Heal The World, the childlike simplicity of the arrangement and the lush productions sadly has it come off as a light, overly saccharine track that boarders on the pompous, the song just feels like an overblown version of We Are The World and jars with edgier dance funk that preceded it.

Black or White was a great lead single for this album. The way it fused a great rock riff, with pop sensibilities and a touch of rap was a perfect introduction to where this album would go. While the whole “it’s too late” intro overstayed it’s welcome by about the 5th listen, there is no denying that Black or White is one of Michael’s iconic tracks. Perhaps driven in part by all the speculation around his appearance, this track continues in Michael’s “one world” ideology. Whereas at other points in the album Michael’s voice comes across as raspy and rough, here the verses are sung with such smoothness that the melody sweeps you up and carries you through the track. It’s a song that hooks you from the first beat. The breakdown/rap segment is a particular highlight with Michael’s vocals adding a punch to the rock guitar that grinds underneath, and then flipping it up the guitar effortlessly slides into a funk groove for the rap. With a sense of joy the backing vocals coax you to sing-along with their “yeah yeah yeahs” while Michaels little trumpet vocal trill at 3.26 just always makes me smile.

With an operatic opening Who Is It is built on the same musical credo of other classic tracks like Billie Jean. With its own immediately distinctive bass line, Who Is It delves a little deeper into the darker side of relationships and musically is quite haunting. Lyrically the desperation and paranoia that follows a breakup is present, almost palpable in the way Michael sings with a sense of yearning and pleading. Musically it offers several hooks without straying too far from the firm groove of the beat, but moments of punctuation with strings and synth beds draw the listener deeper and deeper into the track. For me this was one of Michael’s finest moments as a songwriter and also as a singer. And at 6.34 the song never feels like it has overstayed it’s welcome in the slightest, in fact a few more minutes in the hypnotic swing of the track wouldn’t have gone astray.

With the rock cross over blueprint firmly in place Michael unveils Give In To Me and produces another intriguing rock song. This years Eddie Van Halen is Slash and the rock is pushed a little harder to the point of near distortion. But with the roughness comes moments of sweetness like the vocal break down of “but it’s ok, it’s ok” before Slash delivers a melodically soaring solo that doesn’t try too hard to show off tricks but rather sits in the pocket and lets the flow of the solo build organically, the tricks are saved for the solo reprise at the 3.30 minute mark. Give In To Me slinks along and proves that no matter what genre Michael enters he can hold his own.

Picking up where Man In The Mirror left off, Will You Be There sees Michael pen his own gospel and choral inspired song with what are, to this point in his career, the most personal of lyrics and ones that would carry extra weight in the years that came after it. Steeped in deep harmonies that swell around him, Michael sings with a sense of honesty that both inspires and attracts. The stripped back arrangement, whilst sparse, lets the vocals truly shine and you can hear the pressures cracking in Michael’s delivery of “but I’m only human” (a fact lost on many a journalist and fan alike). The midpoint of the song is like a gentle climb up a summit, each step carried by the choir and Michael’s call and response. Each bar pushing higher and higher, and sweeping the listener up in the process until the soft landing of the final two minutes that allow Michael to speak about his life from his point of view, in words that would become strangely prophetic for the years that would unfold before him.

Continuing the gospel feel Keep The Faith sounds more like Man In The Mirror part 2, which isn’t in itself a bad thing, but sadly it comes off as a pale imitation. Whereas Will You Be There feels like, whilst inspired by it, it creates it’s own path and finds it’s own pace. Maybe it was that Keep The Faith follows Will You Be There that has it pale in comparison, almost feeling like Gospel by the numbers and strangely feeling uninspired. That all sad, there are elements that reward you for going with it, especially with a few of the vocal runs Michael throws into the mix.

Gone Too Soon with its dedication to Ryan White sees Michael in ballad mode. Once again the arrangement allows for Michael voice to shine “splendidly bright”. Initially this wasn’t a song that immediately grabs you, but over time you find little moments that reveal themselves to you. It might be the abandon Michael sings, “born to amuse” or the way he holds onto the note in “dying with the rising of the moon”. Sadly now this song is as much about the singer as it was about the subject.

As if closing out the album the way it began, Dangerous provides us with the perfect floor filler bookend. Once again Michael assumes the role of persecuted lover, but this time is drawn into the scene more than in previous explorations. It’s a touch Billie Jean, a touch Dirty Diana blended into solid dance floor filler. And whilst the song does close out the album with an infectious groove, the length of the track does make it begin to tire on the listener. Shaving a few minutes off it wouldn’t have been a bad idea.

With Dangerous, Michael reaffirmed his right to the title King of Pop and delivered an album that mixed genres in a way that was expected, if not demanded, of a Jackson release. Whilst a few low points (Heal The World, Keep The Faith) drag the album and perhaps should have been dropped entirely or substituted for the catchier and richer Someone Put Your Hand out, Dangerous is perhaps Michael’s most consistent album and the last where the listener could easily distance the tabloid persona from the talented creator.

A lot would change for Michael over the ensuing years, but for a brief moment in 1991 and through to 1993 Michael was once again exciting listeners and pushing the art of videos. And he began to rely less on imagined situations and fantasy to draw from as source material, and instead began to draw more on his own life and feelings making the album lyrically his most personal to date. Something that would continue, wether willingly or not, on the follow up HiStory.

Swa

I love Dangerous. My favourite tracks are She Drives Me Wild, Who Is It and lately Gone Too Soon even though I can´t listen to it without crying. It´s so pure and beautiful, yet so heartbreaking.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #111 posted 08/09/10 7:43am

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Swa said:

Continuing the journey through Michael's solo work one album a week, we arrive at Dangerous. Share your thoughts on what this album means to you.

Dangerous

In the years since BAD was released Michael’s start both shone bright and was also tarnished by the slew of Wacko Jacko stories. For a while it seemed the tabloid persona was overshadowing the music. And despite Bad’s record setting 5 consecutive #1 singles, many critics labelled the album a failure due it to not outselling Thriller - a feat that was beyond repeating.

So when Dangerous was released the critics were ready to write it off as the music of a has been who was no longer relevant. But as soon as you pressed play on the CD player you knew it was a return to form.

With a smashing of glass (as if to smash all built up expectation) the album kicks of with the thumping Jam. The beats, crisp and sharp underpin a song that is layered with a global message of concern in some of Michael’s most well crafted lyrics. The arrangement, whilst sparse and void of a bass line for the most part, allows for Michael’s vocals to come to the fore accentuated with occasional horn stabs here and there. The rap by Heavy D was a case of keeping it in the family as he role call’s his previous cameo’s on tracks by Janet and Teddy Riley’s band Guy. This song still has a hard edge with its sudden attacks and is still as funky as it felt back in 92. Of note, this was the first time Michael had incorporated scratching into the musical landscape, and it plays nicely against the old skool funk guitar and horn lines in the final minutes.

Without letting the listener catch a breath, Why You Wanna Trip On Me comes bursting through the speakers. Its soaring guitar intro first makes you think you are about to go head first into a rock track only to have it twist into a funk rhythm and classic funk riff. The stop start feel of the song made it instantly appealing. With a new jack swing touch the beat lays the foundation for Michael to spit out the insanity of being a target for the press when there are bigger issues in the world that need attention. And in classic Michael arrangement, the verses are hard hitting while the verses float in blissful harmonies. Destined to be a fan favourite hearing a snippet of the song in the This Is It movie gave those of us that had always wanted to hear it live a moment of joy.

In The Closet (with its Mystery Girl duet – read Princess Stephanie of Monaco) remains one of Michael’s most sexually suggestive songs – maybe as a challenge to his first choice of vocal partner, Madonna. Once again the beats are sharp but this time have a bit of seduction to them as Michael teases his way through the verses and once again shows why he was unbeatable in the harmony stakes when his vocals are layered against each other in the chorus. Throughout the song Michael uses his voice as a key instrument punctuation the verses with almost doo-wop deliveries and whispered “come ons”. Whilst at times Michael’s lead vocals have a touch of roughness to them, the backing vocal harmonies are as smooth as the finest silk. With a classic MJ touch, the song is laden with melody and vocal hooks from the false start chorus of “she was it give it, ahhh she want’s to give it” to the officially ordained chorus with its falsetto “there’s something about you baby that makes me want to give it to you”. Michael’s spoken word segments also feel more natural than his soft-spoken intro to Don’t Stop or I Just Can’t Stop Loving You. Musically the song has many phrases and it’s not surprise that this track alone spawned over a dozen remixes. Still seductive and still infectious this is one of Michael’s often forgotten about musical gems despite it being a single.

Whereas the first three songs of the album played with and expanded the new jack swing formula, She Drives Me Wild doesn’t mess with it and presents all the key elements of a new jack song. A moment of inventiveness is present in the way that various car sounds are incorporated into the musical landscape from car horns, to tyre skids, to slamming doors, to revving motors. One of the album’s clear-cut dance songs, She Drives Me Wild doesn’t offer lyrics you will find deep meaning but instead provides a fun infectious love song that was guaranteed to be pumped out of speakers all through clubland.

From the opening run of bass notes, Remember The Time just grabs you. The groove is more seductive than some of the harder hitting rhythms that had preceded it. Michael’s delivery is on point, and once again the backing harmonies layer so perfectly they almost wash over the listener. From lush choruses to sparse verses that allow for just Michael’s voice to carry the melody the song became one of the instant stand out tracks of the album. It was a love song that was carried with such joy and celebration you couldn’t help but want to sing along. And whilst the songs either side of it suffer from sounding like derivative new jack songs – and thus place them in a moment of musical time – Remember the Time still sounds fresh and inviting over 15 years later.

Like She Drive Me Wild, Can’t Let Her Get Away is a pure new jack dance tune. Whilst not overly a stand out, the song still has elements that make it fun to listen to but does show a little wear all these years later. Closing out the album’s string of floor fillers, Can’t Let Her Get Away gives a clear not to the new jack vibe and satisfies those fans that wanted Michael to release a dance orientated album.

Whilst Dangerous was seen as a CD orientated album, the track listing (and vinyl release) suggests the listener view it more as a double album with the first 6 songs taking up sides A and B and Heal the World closing out the first disc. Whilst Michael’s heart is clearly in the right place on Heal The World, the childlike simplicity of the arrangement and the lush productions sadly has it come off as a light, overly saccharine track that boarders on the pompous, the song just feels like an overblown version of We Are The World and jars with edgier dance funk that preceded it.

Black or White was a great lead single for this album. The way it fused a great rock riff, with pop sensibilities and a touch of rap was a perfect introduction to where this album would go. While the whole “it’s too late” intro overstayed it’s welcome by about the 5th listen, there is no denying that Black or White is one of Michael’s iconic tracks. Perhaps driven in part by all the speculation around his appearance, this track continues in Michael’s “one world” ideology. Whereas at other points in the album Michael’s voice comes across as raspy and rough, here the verses are sung with such smoothness that the melody sweeps you up and carries you through the track. It’s a song that hooks you from the first beat. The breakdown/rap segment is a particular highlight with Michael’s vocals adding a punch to the rock guitar that grinds underneath, and then flipping it up the guitar effortlessly slides into a funk groove for the rap. With a sense of joy the backing vocals coax you to sing-along with their “yeah yeah yeahs” while Michaels little trumpet vocal trill at 3.26 just always makes me smile.

With an operatic opening Who Is It is built on the same musical credo of other classic tracks like Billie Jean. With its own immediately distinctive bass line, Who Is It delves a little deeper into the darker side of relationships and musically is quite haunting. Lyrically the desperation and paranoia that follows a breakup is present, almost palpable in the way Michael sings with a sense of yearning and pleading. Musically it offers several hooks without straying too far from the firm groove of the beat, but moments of punctuation with strings and synth beds draw the listener deeper and deeper into the track. For me this was one of Michael’s finest moments as a songwriter and also as a singer. And at 6.34 the song never feels like it has overstayed it’s welcome in the slightest, in fact a few more minutes in the hypnotic swing of the track wouldn’t have gone astray.

With the rock cross over blueprint firmly in place Michael unveils Give In To Me and produces another intriguing rock song. This years Eddie Van Halen is Slash and the rock is pushed a little harder to the point of near distortion. But with the roughness comes moments of sweetness like the vocal break down of “but it’s ok, it’s ok” before Slash delivers a melodically soaring solo that doesn’t try too hard to show off tricks but rather sits in the pocket and lets the flow of the solo build organically, the tricks are saved for the solo reprise at the 3.30 minute mark. Give In To Me slinks along and proves that no matter what genre Michael enters he can hold his own.

Picking up where Man In The Mirror left off, Will You Be There sees Michael pen his own gospel and choral inspired song with what are, to this point in his career, the most personal of lyrics and ones that would carry extra weight in the years that came after it. Steeped in deep harmonies that swell around him, Michael sings with a sense of honesty that both inspires and attracts. The stripped back arrangement, whilst sparse, lets the vocals truly shine and you can hear the pressures cracking in Michael’s delivery of “but I’m only human” (a fact lost on many a journalist and fan alike). The midpoint of the song is like a gentle climb up a summit, each step carried by the choir and Michael’s call and response. Each bar pushing higher and higher, and sweeping the listener up in the process until the soft landing of the final two minutes that allow Michael to speak about his life from his point of view, in words that would become strangely prophetic for the years that would unfold before him.

Continuing the gospel feel Keep The Faith sounds more like Man In The Mirror part 2, which isn’t in itself a bad thing, but sadly it comes off as a pale imitation. Whereas Will You Be There feels like, whilst inspired by it, it creates it’s own path and finds it’s own pace. Maybe it was that Keep The Faith follows Will You Be There that has it pale in comparison, almost feeling like Gospel by the numbers and strangely feeling uninspired. That all sad, there are elements that reward you for going with it, especially with a few of the vocal runs Michael throws into the mix.

Gone Too Soon with its dedication to Ryan White sees Michael in ballad mode. Once again the arrangement allows for Michael voice to shine “splendidly bright”. Initially this wasn’t a song that immediately grabs you, but over time you find little moments that reveal themselves to you. It might be the abandon Michael sings, “born to amuse” or the way he holds onto the note in “dying with the rising of the moon”. Sadly now this song is as much about the singer as it was about the subject.

As if closing out the album the way it began, Dangerous provides us with the perfect floor filler bookend. Once again Michael assumes the role of persecuted lover, but this time is drawn into the scene more than in previous explorations. It’s a touch Billie Jean, a touch Dirty Diana blended into solid dance floor filler. And whilst the song does close out the album with an infectious groove, the length of the track does make it begin to tire on the listener. Shaving a few minutes off it wouldn’t have been a bad idea.

With Dangerous, Michael reaffirmed his right to the title King of Pop and delivered an album that mixed genres in a way that was expected, if not demanded, of a Jackson release. Whilst a few low points (Heal The World, Keep The Faith) drag the album and perhaps should have been dropped entirely or substituted for the catchier and richer Someone Put Your Hand out, Dangerous is perhaps Michael’s most consistent album and the last where the listener could easily distance the tabloid persona from the talented creator.

A lot would change for Michael over the ensuing years, but for a brief moment in 1991 and through to 1993 Michael was once again exciting listeners and pushing the art of videos. And he began to rely less on imagined situations and fantasy to draw from as source material, and instead began to draw more on his own life and feelings making the album lyrically his most personal to date. Something that would continue, wether willingly or not, on the follow up HiStory.

Swa

I agreed with everything you said,especially about "Heal the World" and "Who Is It?"

'Who is it' is my favorite track from Dangerous,its absolutetly timeless to me.

You could put that song out right now and it would blow every other song on the radio out of the water,because everything on the radio is complete crap(see:Soulja Boy).

Reading this made me go listen to Dangerous again.

Thankie,Swa!

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Whats up with Marlon palming Randy's stomach like he has a bun in the oven? Jackie giving them the side eye like "aint this about a bitch!"

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dag said:

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Whats up with Marlon palming Randy's stomach like he has a bun in the oven? Jackie giving them the side eye like "aint this about a bitch!"

Well, I´ve noticed something else. Marlon´s fingers seem to be too white. Does he have vitiligo as well?

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #114 posted 08/09/10 11:09am

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TonyVanDam said:

The top 5 most viewed Michael Jackson videos on YouTube/VEVO

1. Thriller - 77,753,039

2. Billie Jean - 48,687,556

3. Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough - 38,720,136

4. Smooth Criminal - 38,045,291

5. Bad - 37,154,048

I am not surprised Don't Stop Til You Get Enough is before the likes of Smooth Criminal and Bad. There is something so simple and joyous about that video and it is MJ at his most gorgeous, before the surgery went too far. Also Don't Stop Till you You Get Enough is such a wonderful, classic song which people never seem to get tired of.

Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough was also a #1 hit during the disco era. And disco was all about being happy & joyous! smile

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Reply #115 posted 08/09/10 11:23am

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I think people have forgotten that DSTYGE was EXTREMELY popular when it came out. In the midst of the "disco backlash" too. That song actually sounded more cohesive than other disco records at the time. It was kinda like how Chic's records or Donna's records were. Nothing was dated about the track plus it was like a hit in 20 countries and shit. nod It was MASSIVE.

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Reply #116 posted 08/09/10 12:04pm

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I think people have forgotten that DSTYGE was EXTREMELY popular when it came out. In the midst of the "disco backlash" too. That song actually sounded more cohesive than other disco records at the time. It was kinda like how Chic's records or Donna's records were. Nothing was dated about the track plus it was like a hit in 20 countries and shit. nod It was MASSIVE.

my mom thinks it's mj's best song and associates it with being her grad song, playing it with friends, being THE song when she arrived in the country, everything, it sounds like it was so phenomenal, I wish I was a teen then

And that article was amazing, it makes so much sense and describes what I'm realizing too about myself, that though I was all into Michael, it was really all about me too.

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ViintageJunkiie said:

Whats up with Marlon palming Randy's stomach like he has a bun in the oven? Jackie giving them the side eye like "aint this about a bitch!"

Well, I´ve noticed something else. Marlon´s fingers seem to be too white. Does he have vitiligo as well?

To my knowledge, MJ was the only one that suffered from it. His fingers might look a little lighter due to the lighting

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Continuing the journey through Michael's solo work one album a week, we arrive at Dangerous. Share your thoughts on what this album means to you.

Dangerous

In the years since BAD was released Michael’s start both shone bright and was also tarnished by the slew of Wacko Jacko stories. For a while it seemed the tabloid persona was overshadowing the music. And despite Bad’s record setting 5 consecutive #1 singles, many critics labelled the album a failure due it to not outselling Thriller - a feat that was beyond repeating.

So when Dangerous was released the critics were ready to write it off as the music of a has been who was no longer relevant. But as soon as you pressed play on the CD player you knew it was a return to form.

With a smashing of glass (as if to smash all built up expectation) the album kicks of with the thumping Jam. The beats, crisp and sharp underpin a song that is layered with a global message of concern in some of Michael’s most well crafted lyrics. The arrangement, whilst sparse and void of a bass line for the most part, allows for Michael’s vocals to come to the fore accentuated with occasional horn stabs here and there. The rap by Heavy D was a case of keeping it in the family as he role call’s his previous cameo’s on tracks by Janet and Teddy Riley’s band Guy. This song still has a hard edge with its sudden attacks and is still as funky as it felt back in 92. Of note, this was the first time Michael had incorporated scratching into the musical landscape, and it plays nicely against the old skool funk guitar and horn lines in the final minutes.

Without letting the listener catch a breath, Why You Wanna Trip On Me comes bursting through the speakers. Its soaring guitar intro first makes you think you are about to go head first into a rock track only to have it twist into a funk rhythm and classic funk riff. The stop start feel of the song made it instantly appealing. With a new jack swing touch the beat lays the foundation for Michael to spit out the insanity of being a target for the press when there are bigger issues in the world that need attention. And in classic Michael arrangement, the verses are hard hitting while the verses float in blissful harmonies. Destined to be a fan favourite hearing a snippet of the song in the This Is It movie gave those of us that had always wanted to hear it live a moment of joy.

In The Closet (with its Mystery Girl duet – read Princess Stephanie of Monaco) remains one of Michael’s most sexually suggestive songs – maybe as a challenge to his first choice of vocal partner, Madonna. Once again the beats are sharp but this time have a bit of seduction to them as Michael teases his way through the verses and once again shows why he was unbeatable in the harmony stakes when his vocals are layered against each other in the chorus. Throughout the song Michael uses his voice as a key instrument punctuation the verses with almost doo-wop deliveries and whispered “come ons”. Whilst at times Michael’s lead vocals have a touch of roughness to them, the backing vocal harmonies are as smooth as the finest silk. With a classic MJ touch, the song is laden with melody and vocal hooks from the false start chorus of “she was it give it, ahhh she want’s to give it” to the officially ordained chorus with its falsetto “there’s something about you baby that makes me want to give it to you”. Michael’s spoken word segments also feel more natural than his soft-spoken intro to Don’t Stop or I Just Can’t Stop Loving You. Musically the song has many phrases and it’s not surprise that this track alone spawned over a dozen remixes. Still seductive and still infectious this is one of Michael’s often forgotten about musical gems despite it being a single.

Whereas the first three songs of the album played with and expanded the new jack swing formula, She Drives Me Wild doesn’t mess with it and presents all the key elements of a new jack song. A moment of inventiveness is present in the way that various car sounds are incorporated into the musical landscape from car horns, to tyre skids, to slamming doors, to revving motors. One of the album’s clear-cut dance songs, She Drives Me Wild doesn’t offer lyrics you will find deep meaning but instead provides a fun infectious love song that was guaranteed to be pumped out of speakers all through clubland.

From the opening run of bass notes, Remember The Time just grabs you. The groove is more seductive than some of the harder hitting rhythms that had preceded it. Michael’s delivery is on point, and once again the backing harmonies layer so perfectly they almost wash over the listener. From lush choruses to sparse verses that allow for just Michael’s voice to carry the melody the song became one of the instant stand out tracks of the album. It was a love song that was carried with such joy and celebration you couldn’t help but want to sing along. And whilst the songs either side of it suffer from sounding like derivative new jack songs – and thus place them in a moment of musical time – Remember the Time still sounds fresh and inviting over 15 years later.

Like She Drive Me Wild, Can’t Let Her Get Away is a pure new jack dance tune. Whilst not overly a stand out, the song still has elements that make it fun to listen to but does show a little wear all these years later. Closing out the album’s string of floor fillers, Can’t Let Her Get Away gives a clear not to the new jack vibe and satisfies those fans that wanted Michael to release a dance orientated album.

Whilst Dangerous was seen as a CD orientated album, the track listing (and vinyl release) suggests the listener view it more as a double album with the first 6 songs taking up sides A and B and Heal the World closing out the first disc. Whilst Michael’s heart is clearly in the right place on Heal The World, the childlike simplicity of the arrangement and the lush productions sadly has it come off as a light, overly saccharine track that boarders on the pompous, the song just feels like an overblown version of We Are The World and jars with edgier dance funk that preceded it.

Black or White was a great lead single for this album. The way it fused a great rock riff, with pop sensibilities and a touch of rap was a perfect introduction to where this album would go. While the whole “it’s too late” intro overstayed it’s welcome by about the 5th listen, there is no denying that Black or White is one of Michael’s iconic tracks. Perhaps driven in part by all the speculation around his appearance, this track continues in Michael’s “one world” ideology. Whereas at other points in the album Michael’s voice comes across as raspy and rough, here the verses are sung with such smoothness that the melody sweeps you up and carries you through the track. It’s a song that hooks you from the first beat. The breakdown/rap segment is a particular highlight with Michael’s vocals adding a punch to the rock guitar that grinds underneath, and then flipping it up the guitar effortlessly slides into a funk groove for the rap. With a sense of joy the backing vocals coax you to sing-along with their “yeah yeah yeahs” while Michaels little trumpet vocal trill at 3.26 just always makes me smile.

With an operatic opening Who Is It is built on the same musical credo of other classic tracks like Billie Jean. With its own immediately distinctive bass line, Who Is It delves a little deeper into the darker side of relationships and musically is quite haunting. Lyrically the desperation and paranoia that follows a breakup is present, almost palpable in the way Michael sings with a sense of yearning and pleading. Musically it offers several hooks without straying too far from the firm groove of the beat, but moments of punctuation with strings and synth beds draw the listener deeper and deeper into the track. For me this was one of Michael’s finest moments as a songwriter and also as a singer. And at 6.34 the song never feels like it has overstayed it’s welcome in the slightest, in fact a few more minutes in the hypnotic swing of the track wouldn’t have gone astray.

With the rock cross over blueprint firmly in place Michael unveils Give In To Me and produces another intriguing rock song. This years Eddie Van Halen is Slash and the rock is pushed a little harder to the point of near distortion. But with the roughness comes moments of sweetness like the vocal break down of “but it’s ok, it’s ok” before Slash delivers a melodically soaring solo that doesn’t try too hard to show off tricks but rather sits in the pocket and lets the flow of the solo build organically, the tricks are saved for the solo reprise at the 3.30 minute mark. Give In To Me slinks along and proves that no matter what genre Michael enters he can hold his own.

Picking up where Man In The Mirror left off, Will You Be There sees Michael pen his own gospel and choral inspired song with what are, to this point in his career, the most personal of lyrics and ones that would carry extra weight in the years that came after it. Steeped in deep harmonies that swell around him, Michael sings with a sense of honesty that both inspires and attracts. The stripped back arrangement, whilst sparse, lets the vocals truly shine and you can hear the pressures cracking in Michael’s delivery of “but I’m only human” (a fact lost on many a journalist and fan alike). The midpoint of the song is like a gentle climb up a summit, each step carried by the choir and Michael’s call and response. Each bar pushing higher and higher, and sweeping the listener up in the process until the soft landing of the final two minutes that allow Michael to speak about his life from his point of view, in words that would become strangely prophetic for the years that would unfold before him.

Continuing the gospel feel Keep The Faith sounds more like Man In The Mirror part 2, which isn’t in itself a bad thing, but sadly it comes off as a pale imitation. Whereas Will You Be There feels like, whilst inspired by it, it creates it’s own path and finds it’s own pace. Maybe it was that Keep The Faith follows Will You Be There that has it pale in comparison, almost feeling like Gospel by the numbers and strangely feeling uninspired. That all sad, there are elements that reward you for going with it, especially with a few of the vocal runs Michael throws into the mix.

Gone Too Soon with its dedication to Ryan White sees Michael in ballad mode. Once again the arrangement allows for Michael voice to shine “splendidly bright”. Initially this wasn’t a song that immediately grabs you, but over time you find little moments that reveal themselves to you. It might be the abandon Michael sings, “born to amuse” or the way he holds onto the note in “dying with the rising of the moon”. Sadly now this song is as much about the singer as it was about the subject.

As if closing out the album the way it began, Dangerous provides us with the perfect floor filler bookend. Once again Michael assumes the role of persecuted lover, but this time is drawn into the scene more than in previous explorations. It’s a touch Billie Jean, a touch Dirty Diana blended into solid dance floor filler. And whilst the song does close out the album with an infectious groove, the length of the track does make it begin to tire on the listener. Shaving a few minutes off it wouldn’t have been a bad idea.

With Dangerous, Michael reaffirmed his right to the title King of Pop and delivered an album that mixed genres in a way that was expected, if not demanded, of a Jackson release. Whilst a few low points (Heal The World, Keep The Faith) drag the album and perhaps should have been dropped entirely or substituted for the catchier and richer Someone Put Your Hand out, Dangerous is perhaps Michael’s most consistent album and the last where the listener could easily distance the tabloid persona from the talented creator.

A lot would change for Michael over the ensuing years, but for a brief moment in 1991 and through to 1993 Michael was once again exciting listeners and pushing the art of videos. And he began to rely less on imagined situations and fantasy to draw from as source material, and instead began to draw more on his own life and feelings making the album lyrically his most personal to date. Something that would continue, wether willingly or not, on the follow up HiStory.

Swa

I love everything about this post......biggrin thanks

My favorite of the album is Will You Be There , it's easily the best track on Dangerous.

A pure genius..........R.I.P

MICHAEL JACKSON
R.I.P
مايكل جاكسون للأبد
1958
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Whats up with Marlon palming Randy's stomach like he has a bun in the oven? Jackie giving them the side eye like "aint this about a bitch!"

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