suga10 said:

Timmy84 said:

I have to tell you when I saw Take Two of the Bashit stuff. I got so freaking pissed off at the world. I was like "how can they do that to that man?"

I still get angry thinking about what Bashit did to him. He embarrassed and humilated MJ's trust. That was real low.

Yeah Bashir definitely manipulated that interview. However Michael said some really stupid things in that interview which made him vulnerable to being targeted as being a child molester. As caring as he was- he didn't have to hold Gavin's hand out on tv and he didn't have to say - I tuck kids in, with hot milk and cookies, and its charming. Its all innocent love why the hell did he say stuff like that. He just made himself into a vulnerable target by the media. Michael also justified how it was okay to have kids sleep in the same bed that were not related to him- I mean that's was something that that was not justifiable. He should have learned his lesson about not letting kids stayover after what happened in 1993 when media kept bashing him about Chandler.

If those parts were not even stated on the interview. I think Michael's life would have been very different today.

[Edited 8/21/10 14:52pm]

[Edited 8/21/10 15:00pm]

suga10 said:

Timmy84 said:

I have to tell you when I saw Take Two of the Bashit stuff. I got so freaking pissed off at the world. I was like "how can they do that to that man?"

I still get angry thinking about what Bashit did to him. He embarrassed and humilated MJ's trust. That was real low.

Yeah Bashir definitely manipulated that interview. However Michael said some really stupid things in that interview which made him vulnerable to being targeted as being a child molester. As caring as he was- he didn't have to hold Gavin's hand out on tv and he didn't have to say - I tuck kids in, with hot milk and cookies, and its charming. Its all innocent love why the hell did he say stuff like that. He just made himself into a vulnerable target by the media. Michael also justified how it was okay to have kids sleep in the same bed that were not related to him- I mean that's was just not something that that was justifiable.

If those parts were not even stated on the interview. I think Michael's life would have been very different today.

[Edited 8/21/10 14:52pm]

The thing about that was that whole "sleeping in the bed, cookies and milk, hot air balloon" thing was, for him that WAS normal... he didn't see anything wrong with it because for him it wasn't sexual. And even if he DID think that people would think it was wrong, or take it the wrong way, he didn't care because he wanted to do what HE wanted to do, and didn't feel that he had to answer to anyone. I agree with you, he needed an external sensor, someone to tell him NOT to say those things, but he didn't. What ended up making it worse tho IMO, was Bashir's manipulation of Michael's comments, and all of Bashir's v/o commentary... I swear he used the word "bizarre" about 50-11 times during that mockumentary, basically poisoning the viewers mind and pulling all objectivity out of the entire thing.

Michael did that interview with Bashir because he was looking for understanding and synpathy from the public and thought he could trust Bashir because he was able to do that for Princess Diana, but Bashir had his own agenda. If Bashir had done that docu the way it was intended, the way that he TOLD Michael he WOULD do it, it wouldnt have mattered what Michael said, the whole thing would have turned out differently. Bashir KNEW using that footage of him and Gavin holding hands and what not would have caused a stir, THAT is why he left it in there. Just like there were things he obviously left out, seeing all these new clips from that interview coming to light on youtube. Bashir's a hack and knew exactly what he was doing.

[Edited 8/21/10 15:09pm]

Swa said:

Judge dismisses promoters' lawsuit against Jackson

(AP) – 50 minutes ago

NEW YORK — A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit by a concert promoter against the late Michael Jackson over a failed reunion concert.

U.S. District Judge Harold Baer Jr. granted a motion by lawyers for Jackson's estate to dismiss the case, citing a lack of evidence that the late King of Pop or his family were under a binding agreement to perform at a reunion concert.

AllGood Entertainment Inc., a company started in Morristown, N.J., sued Jackson for $40 million on June 10, 2009, roughly two weeks before the singer's death in Los Angeles at age 50. It claimed Jackson and his then-manager broke a contract for a Jackson reunion show.

AllGood later filed a creditor's claim with Jackson's estate, claiming the potential value of the lawsuit was at least $300 million.

Baer determined that there was a letter of intent between Jackson's then-manager, Frank DiLeo, and AllGood, but never an enforceable contract. He noted that neither Jackson nor any other members of the family who were to be involved in the show ever signed a contract.

Attorneys for Jackson's estate and DiLeo contended that if there was a breach in the contract, AllGood broke the agreement first because it did not issue a payment to Jackson before a required deadline. Baer wrote that there was no evidence that AllGood suffered substantial economic damage because of the failed concert.

"This case never had any merit and the claim was frivolous from day one," Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman said in a statement. "Michael Jackson never agreed to participate in a concert promoted by AllGood as the judge clearly found in his opinion."

An after-hours phone message left for AllGood's attorney, Ira Meyerowitz, was not immediately returned.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Militant said:

/\ ahhhhhh, why did you have to go there.

Along with Michael and 'Pac, Kurt is one of the musicians that I miss the most. Those three and Prince are the artists that have had the biggest impact on my lives. I've been thinking about Kurt a lot these last few days due to Frances Bean turning 18 on Wednesday. His little girl is all grown up and it just makes me so sad to think that things could have been so different.

But, I digress. This was a good clip. Kurt was always real with it, saying that nobody had any right to speculate or judge Michael based on the media hype and sensationalism around the allegations and that he didn't understand what the big deal was. I think Kurt could really relate, because he was one of the biggest stars in music at that time, after "Nevermind" had come out and blown up to a ridiculous level in 1991, even displacing "Dangerous" from the top of the album charts. Kurt was having to deal with that level of media intrusion and tabloid lies a lot, too, so I feel he had a real empathy towards what Michael was going through.

I agree. imho kurt & Michael were more alike than ppl realized - at that time.

jaybendy said:

suga10 said:

Yeah Bashir definitely manipulated that interview. However Michael said some really stupid things in that interview which made him vulnerable to being targeted as being a child molester. As caring as he was- he didn't have to hold Gavin's hand out on tv and he didn't have to say - I tuck kids in, with hot milk and cookies, and its charming. Its all innocent love why the hell did he say stuff like that. He just made himself into a vulnerable target by the media. Michael also justified how it was okay to have kids sleep in the same bed that were not related to him- I mean that's was just not something that that was justifiable.

If those parts were not even stated on the interview. I think Michael's life would have been very different today.

[Edited 8/21/10 14:52pm]

The thing about that was that whole "sleeping in the bed, cookies and milk, hot air balloon" thing was, for him that WAS normal... he didn't see anything wrong with it because for him it wasn't sexual. And even if he DID think that people would think it was wrong, or take it the wrong way, he didn't care because he wanted to do what HE wanted to do, and didn't feel that he had to answer to anyone. I agree with you, he needed an external sensor, someone to tell him NOT to say those things, but he didn't. What ended up making it worse tho IMO, was Bashir's manipulation of Michael's comments, and all of Bashir's v/o commentary... I swear he used the word "bizarre" about 50-11 times during that mockumentary, basically poisoning the viewers mind and pulling all objectivity out of the entire thing.

Michael did that interview with Bashir because he was looking for understanding and synpathy from the public and thought he could trust Bashir because he was able to do that for Princess Diana, but Bashir had his own agenda. If Bashir had done that docu the way it was intended, the way that he TOLD Michael he WOULD do it, it wouldnt have mattered what Michael said, the whole thing would have turned out differently. Bashir KNEW using that footage of him and Gavin holding hands and what not would have caused a stir, THAT is why he left it in there. Just like there were things he obviously left out, seeing all these new clips from that interview coming to light on youtube. Bashir's a hack and knew exactly what he was doing.

[Edited 8/21/10 15:09pm]

Bashir deserves to go to a special circle of hell. What gets me those is the courtiers who didn't stop him, not michael. I mean we all have seen bosses or people in power positions who are just in their own world, you know th "emporer has no clothes" syndrome. I don't get how the people around him allowed all of that. Even Elvis was chastised at points by most of the people around him. Michael didn't have that or the favor of the media either.

tangerine7 said:

Swa said:

Judge dismisses promoters' lawsuit against Jackson

(AP) – 50 minutes ago

NEW YORK — A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit by a concert promoter against the late Michael Jackson over a failed reunion concert.

U.S. District Judge Harold Baer Jr. granted a motion by lawyers for Jackson's estate to dismiss the case, citing a lack of evidence that the late King of Pop or his family were under a binding agreement to perform at a reunion concert.

AllGood Entertainment Inc., a company started in Morristown, N.J., sued Jackson for $40 million on June 10, 2009, roughly two weeks before the singer's death in Los Angeles at age 50. It claimed Jackson and his then-manager broke a contract for a Jackson reunion show.

AllGood later filed a creditor's claim with Jackson's estate, claiming the potential value of the lawsuit was at least $300 million.

Baer determined that there was a letter of intent between Jackson's then-manager, Frank DiLeo, and AllGood, but never an enforceable contract. He noted that neither Jackson nor any other members of the family who were to be involved in the show ever signed a contract.

Attorneys for Jackson's estate and DiLeo contended that if there was a breach in the contract, AllGood broke the agreement first because it did not issue a payment to Jackson before a required deadline. Baer wrote that there was no evidence that AllGood suffered substantial economic damage because of the failed concert.

"This case never had any merit and the claim was frivolous from day one," Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman said in a statement. "Michael Jackson never agreed to participate in a concert promoted by AllGood as the judge clearly found in his opinion."

An after-hours phone message left for AllGood's attorney, Ira Meyerowitz, was not immediately returned.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

Militant said:

/\ ahhhhhh, why did you have to go there.

Along with Michael and 'Pac, Kurt is one of the musicians that I miss the most. Those three and Prince are the artists that have had the biggest impact on my lives. I've been thinking about Kurt a lot these last few days due to Frances Bean turning 18 on Wednesday. His little girl is all grown up and it just makes me so sad to think that things could have been so different.

But, I digress. This was a good clip. Kurt was always real with it, saying that nobody had any right to speculate or judge Michael based on the media hype and sensationalism around the allegations and that he didn't understand what the big deal was. I think Kurt could really relate, because he was one of the biggest stars in music at that time, after "Nevermind" had come out and blown up to a ridiculous level in 1991, even displacing "Dangerous" from the top of the album charts. Kurt was having to deal with that level of media intrusion and tabloid lies a lot, too, so I feel he had a real empathy towards what Michael was going through.

I agree. imho kurt & Michael were more alike than ppl realized - at that time.

Not really, I always thought Kurt's stance as a tortured artist was fake and narcissistic, Michael (like any genius) had very real demons. Actually, though the fans of both hate to hear it, Elvis and Michael were exactly alike in mind boggling ways. Both insomniacs, both had their artistry under attack throughout their lives only to be celebrated after they died, the circumstances surrounding their deaths, all exactly the same as if it were planned that way. sometimes I really do think history has a way of repeating itself.

I didn't mean in the way that the lived died etc not like that.

tangerine7 said:

I didn't mean in the way that the lived died etc not like that.

As much as I supported Michael so much throughout all the mess and was so worried about him and got too emotionally attached, I was so angry with him too for being naive and maybe bitter too after it all died down, even if it was manipulated. I'm over it now but it really could have been avoided. And even if I was mad at him and anyone said anything bad, I suddenly wasn't mad but wanted to cry so hard cause they see him that way, and I used to sometimes think it's all his fault when Bashir was responsible most.

[Edited 8/21/10 19:11pm]

“This is Muscles. And I have trained him to eat interviewers.”

alphastreet said:

As much as I supported Michael so much throughout all the mess and was so worried about him and got too emotionally attached, I was so angry with him too for being naive and maybe bitter too after it all died down, even if it was manipulated. I'm over it now but it really could have been avoided. And even if I was mad at him and anyone said anything bad, I suddenly wasn't mad but wanted to cry so hard cause they see him that way, and I used to sometimes think it's all his fault when Bashir was responsible most.

[Edited 8/21/10 19:11pm]

I see where you're coming from. I do agree to some extent. The purpose of the documentary was a chance for Michael to show his REAL self, but he wasnt opening up - he was still putting out that whole Public-Peter-Pan image. In fact, he didn't even live in Neverland for majority of the year. He wasn't always there when the school buses would drop kids off at the amusement park. I know social/environmental/children issues inspire his humanitarian efforts, but what about the other side of him? He wasn't ready to show the public that. He still wanted to be a mystery. If youre not ready show that, you're better off not doing any documentaries. Honestly, I undestood the real Michael from personal accounts of people who knew him.. who saw him as a regular dude, saw him flirt with women, and saw him drink, curse and get angry like any other human being.

MyLuv229 said:

alphastreet said:

As much as I supported Michael so much throughout all the mess and was so worried about him and got too emotionally attached, I was so angry with him too for being naive and maybe bitter too after it all died down, even if it was manipulated. I'm over it now but it really could have been avoided. And even if I was mad at him and anyone said anything bad, I suddenly wasn't mad but wanted to cry so hard cause they see him that way, and I used to sometimes think it's all his fault when Bashir was responsible most.

[Edited 8/21/10 19:11pm]

I see where you're coming from. I do agree to some extent. The purpose of the documentary was a chance for Michael to show his REAL self, but he wasnt opening up - he was still putting out that whole Public-Peter-Pan image. In fact, he didn't even live in Neverland for majority of the year. He wasn't always there when the school buses would drop kids off at the amusement park. I know social/environmental/children issues inspire his humanitarian efforts, but what about the other side of him? He wasn't ready to show the public that. He still wanted to be a mystery. If youre not ready show that, you're better off not doing any documentaries. Honestly, I undestood the real Michael from personal accounts of people who knew him.. who saw him as a regular dude, saw him flirt with women, and saw him drink, curse and get angry like any other human being.

Hey mama!

Michel's writing on the backs of paintings and clocks

LOL @ the tic-tac-toe

He's so fuckin romantic!!!

mozfonky said:

jaybendy said:

The thing about that was that whole "sleeping in the bed, cookies and milk, hot air balloon" thing was, for him that WAS normal... he didn't see anything wrong with it because for him it wasn't sexual. And even if he DID think that people would think it was wrong, or take it the wrong way, he didn't care because he wanted to do what HE wanted to do, and didn't feel that he had to answer to anyone. I agree with you, he needed an external sensor, someone to tell him NOT to say those things, but he didn't. What ended up making it worse tho IMO, was Bashir's manipulation of Michael's comments, and all of Bashir's v/o commentary... I swear he used the word "bizarre" about 50-11 times during that mockumentary, basically poisoning the viewers mind and pulling all objectivity out of the entire thing.

Michael did that interview with Bashir because he was looking for understanding and synpathy from the public and thought he could trust Bashir because he was able to do that for Princess Diana, but Bashir had his own agenda. If Bashir had done that docu the way it was intended, the way that he TOLD Michael he WOULD do it, it wouldnt have mattered what Michael said, the whole thing would have turned out differently. Bashir KNEW using that footage of him and Gavin holding hands and what not would have caused a stir, THAT is why he left it in there. Just like there were things he obviously left out, seeing all these new clips from that interview coming to light on youtube. Bashir's a hack and knew exactly what he was doing.

[Edited 8/21/10 15:09pm]

Bashir deserves to go to a special circle of hell. What gets me those is the courtiers who didn't stop him, not michael. I mean we all have seen bosses or people in power positions who are just in their own world, you know th "emporer has no clothes" syndrome. I don't get how the people around him allowed all of that. Even Elvis was chastised at points by most of the people around him. Michael didn't have that or the favor of the media either.

Who was gonna tell this man no? Anyone who had anything to say that wasn't what he wanted to hear got sent a pink slip. DiLeo, Branca to name two. The yes folks like Karen Faye got to stick around. Those that kept their mouths shut got to stick around. Those who wanted to continue to receive their paychecks got to stick around. At the end of the day Michael made his own decision to do the interview and everyone around him watched it crash and burn, then were unable to pick up the pieces and fix the damage.

MyLuv229 said:

Michel's writing on the backs of paintings and clocks

LOL @ the tic-tac-toe

He's so fuckin romantic!!!

Isn't it sickening? And now that we kinda sorta know some things about that time period I'm like Awwww......

jaybendy said:

mozfonky said:

Bashir deserves to go to a special circle of hell. What gets me those is the courtiers who didn't stop him, not michael. I mean we all have seen bosses or people in power positions who are just in their own world, you know th "emporer has no clothes" syndrome. I don't get how the people around him allowed all of that. Even Elvis was chastised at points by most of the people around him. Michael didn't have that or the favor of the media either.

Who was gonna tell this man no? Anyone who had anything to say that wasn't what he wanted to hear got sent a pink slip. DiLeo, Branca to name two. The yes folks like Karen Faye got to stick around. Those that kept their mouths shut got to stick around. Those who wanted to continue to receive their paychecks got to stick around. At the end of the day Michael made his own decision to do the interview and everyone around him watched it crash and burn, then were unable to pick up the pieces and fix the damage.

You think so? I guess it's possible but if Elvis had people level with him with all the con men he had around him, i'm sure Michael did too. The guys Elvis had around him were real roaches, yet at times they tried to stop him. I'm thinking that the people around him maybe just didn't see the danger because they weren't very worldly types. I hear that bill bray and some others spoke up and got fired, but you know, there's always two sides to a story.

jaybendy said:

MyLuv229 said:

Michel's writing on the backs of paintings and clocks

LOL @ the tic-tac-toe

He's so fuckin romantic!!!

Isn't it sickening? And now that we kinda sorta know some things about that time period I'm like Awwww......

Yup You know who this was for Did you notice the date, 2/14/91? He wrote that on Valentine's day! I saw that was like Awww Mike's such a romantic cornball!

[Edited 8/21/10 22:26pm]

MyLuv229 said:

alphastreet said:

As much as I supported Michael so much throughout all the mess and was so worried about him and got too emotionally attached, I was so angry with him too for being naive and maybe bitter too after it all died down, even if it was manipulated. I'm over it now but it really could have been avoided. And even if I was mad at him and anyone said anything bad, I suddenly wasn't mad but wanted to cry so hard cause they see him that way, and I used to sometimes think it's all his fault when Bashir was responsible most.

[Edited 8/21/10 19:11pm]

I see where you're coming from. I do agree to some extent. The purpose of the documentary was a chance for Michael to show his REAL self, but he wasnt opening up - he was still putting out that whole Public-Peter-Pan image. In fact, he didn't even live in Neverland for majority of the year. He wasn't always there when the school buses would drop kids off at the amusement park. I know social/environmental/children issues inspire his humanitarian efforts, but what about the other side of him? He wasn't ready to show the public that. He still wanted to be a mystery. If youre not ready show that, you're better off not doing any documentaries. Honestly, I undestood the real Michael from personal accounts of people who knew him.. who saw him as a regular dude, saw him flirt with women, and saw him drink, curse and get angry like any other human being.

yeah I know what you mean, he had multiple sides to him like all of us do, and I don't just cry for him being gone, I cry for the fact people call him you-know-what when he doesn't deserve it, it's almost like he was already killed and now it's just physically and I tell myself everytime I want to start crying that he's with god now he's fine, I repeat it until I'm calm

some handwritten notes from 1979

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First Note:

I can't conduct business successfully with anyone unless we meet on a week to week basis.

If we can't meet weekly I must move on because it will not work.

I'm going to write a lot of great songs in the future movie script as well I want the biggest film company but will we be if we don't communicate weekly. No professional successfully company work the way we do.


Second Note:

Make sure to tell him I was looking for him at the platinum party.

I don't want to be with any company I can't communicate with. I can't do business like that and you can't and you can't either that's why I must speak to you.

We must have a true real marriage or it will never work. I'm not a psychologist. I speak from the heart only.

Third note:

Will yet.I'm not bragging or boasting. I say this in a very thankful way. I will be doing a lot of great great thing in the future and i during all chat tune like to still be on CBS as an artist.

But if my belief is you doing the best you can with me not there then I will never be happy.

and I'm not trying to use psychology to get hits. I say this from the heart. I want to paint beautiful pictures in my field and i want the world.


Fourth Note:

to all see it. So do this with my song. Please yet check with me every week on my albums. I put my heart in the album. Now I would like is see your heart. You are president of the company you represent CBS, Everyoe, as a whole. So I want to speak to you. I want to know ( cannot make out) my records going. So call me please. Supply of albums in store. I want pop. Demand by pop. I never want to speak to everyone at the company tells me its instant. 3 platinum. But I say I won't be happy unless I speak to yall. Because they don't seem to get the job done after I speak to you.



Fifth Note:

Rowe its your job to make sure I get that money into the account for the house.

The tour will not go on unless I am secured that the money is coming down right.

But I must know how much Randy and I will make with the deduction of cost to other things like Shaco(?) this. How much will we make after all our payments to them people.

Do we have chaser lights?

bboy87 said:

some handwritten notes from 1979

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First Note:

I can't conduct business successfully with anyone unless we meet on a week to week basis.

If we can't meet weekly I must move on because it will not work.

I'm going to write a lot of great songs in the future movie script as well I want the biggest film company but will we be if we don't communicate weekly. No professional successfully company work the way we do.


Second Note:

Make sure to tell him I was looking for him at the platinum party.

I don't want to be with any company I can't communicate with. I can't do business like that and you can't and you can't either that's why I must speak to you.

We must have a true real marriage or it will never work. I'm not a psychologist. I speak from the heart only.

Third note:

Will yet.I'm not bragging or boasting. I say this in a very thankful way. I will be doing a lot of great great thing in the future and i during all chat tune like to still be on CBS as an artist.

But if my belief is you doing the best you can with me not there then I will never be happy.

and I'm not trying to use psychology to get hits. I say this from the heart. I want to paint beautiful pictures in my field and i want the world.


Fourth Note:

to all see it. So do this with my song. Please yet check with me every week on my albums. I put my heart in the album. Now I would like is see your heart. You are president of the company you represent CBS, Everyoe, as a whole. So I want to speak to you. I want to know ( cannot make out) my records going. So call me please. Supply of albums in store. I want pop. Demand by pop. I never want to speak to everyone at the company tells me its instant. 3 platinum. But I say I won't be happy unless I speak to yall. Because they don't seem to get the job done after I speak to you.



Fifth Note:

Rowe its your job to make sure I get that money into the account for the house.

The tour will not go on unless I am secured that the money is coming down right.

But I must know how much Randy and I will make with the deduction of cost to other things like Shaco(?) this. How much will we make after all our payments to them people.

Do we have chaser lights?

I've seen these before but could never make out all of the words so I just inspected his handwriting. Thanks for the "translation"

I'm guessing this is 76-77ish since they were on CBS at that time. I love all this talk about money money money and making sure the record goes into the pop categories at the wrecka stow, then...

"Do we have chaser lights?"

I feel angry right now. I know people did like him before he passed, but now I feel so angry about it all like if I publicly show love for him, I'll be placed in the poser category too, though I'm not!

on a good note though, I saw a pic of a kid who's my cousin's friend that I taught a long time ago, he's dressed like mj and has on a cute red shirt with an armband and all these black buckles including one over the shoulder, I was like OMGGGG though I think I remember a long time ago he saw someone with shiny clothes and said "like mj" so someone at his place is a fan I'm sure.

[Edited 8/21/10 23:37pm]

jaybendy said:

bboy87 said:

some handwritten notes from 1979

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First Note:

I can't conduct business successfully with anyone unless we meet on a week to week basis.

If we can't meet weekly I must move on because it will not work.

I'm going to write a lot of great songs in the future movie script as well I want the biggest film company but will we be if we don't communicate weekly. No professional successfully company work the way we do.


Second Note:

Make sure to tell him I was looking for him at the platinum party.

I don't want to be with any company I can't communicate with. I can't do business like that and you can't and you can't either that's why I must speak to you.

We must have a true real marriage or it will never work. I'm not a psychologist. I speak from the heart only.

Third note:

Will yet.I'm not bragging or boasting. I say this in a very thankful way. I will be doing a lot of great great thing in the future and i during all chat tune like to still be on CBS as an artist.

But if my belief is you doing the best you can with me not there then I will never be happy.

and I'm not trying to use psychology to get hits. I say this from the heart. I want to paint beautiful pictures in my field and i want the world.


Fourth Note:

to all see it. So do this with my song. Please yet check with me every week on my albums. I put my heart in the album. Now I would like is see your heart. You are president of the company you represent CBS, Everyoe, as a whole. So I want to speak to you. I want to know ( cannot make out) my records going. So call me please. Supply of albums in store. I want pop. Demand by pop. I never want to speak to everyone at the company tells me its instant. 3 platinum. But I say I won't be happy unless I speak to yall. Because they don't seem to get the job done after I speak to you.



Fifth Note:

Rowe its your job to make sure I get that money into the account for the house.

The tour will not go on unless I am secured that the money is coming down right.

But I must know how much Randy and I will make with the deduction of cost to other things like Shaco(?) this. How much will we make after all our payments to them people.

Do we have chaser lights?

I've seen these before but could never make out all of the words so I just inspected his handwriting. Thanks for the "translation"

I'm guessing this is 76-77ish since they were on CBS at that time. I love all this talk about money money money and making sure the record goes into the pop categories at the wrecka stow, then...

"Do we have chaser lights?"

Dude was about THE BUSINESS, ya heard me?

Timmy84 said:

jaybendy said:

I've seen these before but could never make out all of the words so I just inspected his handwriting. Thanks for the "translation"

I'm guessing this is 76-77ish since they were on CBS at that time. I love all this talk about money money money and making sure the record goes into the pop categories at the wrecka stow, then...

"Do we have chaser lights?"

Dude was about THE BUSINESS, ya heard me?

I remember reading about how he would fire someone in a heartbeat, if they showed signs of incompetence. Not out of meanness or power mongering but because it got in his way. That was a big part of his rep in his prime, one that interestingly has been overshadowed and forgotten with how careless he did become with things. It's funny but if you look at the 84 interview of Michael and the 56 interviews of elvis, you can see the same absolute self-assuredness which they both lost in that tailspin throughout the years. It's so ironic because it makes it seem like both became less mature as they got older. Michael and Elvis both had a moment, not only could they do know wrong, they knew it and it came through in their every mannerism.

[Edited 8/21/10 23:46pm]

jaybendy said:

bboy87 said:

some handwritten notes from 1979

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First Note:

I can't conduct business successfully with anyone unless we meet on a week to week basis.

If we can't meet weekly I must move on because it will not work.

I'm going to write a lot of great songs in the future movie script as well I want the biggest film company but will we be if we don't communicate weekly. No professional successfully company work the way we do.


Second Note:

Make sure to tell him I was looking for him at the platinum party.

I don't want to be with any company I can't communicate with. I can't do business like that and you can't and you can't either that's why I must speak to you.

We must have a true real marriage or it will never work. I'm not a psychologist. I speak from the heart only.

Third note:

Will yet.I'm not bragging or boasting. I say this in a very thankful way. I will be doing a lot of great great thing in the future and i during all chat tune like to still be on CBS as an artist.

But if my belief is you doing the best you can with me not there then I will never be happy.

and I'm not trying to use psychology to get hits. I say this from the heart. I want to paint beautiful pictures in my field and i want the world.


Fourth Note:

to all see it. So do this with my song. Please yet check with me every week on my albums. I put my heart in the album. Now I would like is see your heart. You are president of the company you represent CBS, Everyoe, as a whole. So I want to speak to you. I want to know ( cannot make out) my records going. So call me please. Supply of albums in store. I want pop. Demand by pop. I never want to speak to everyone at the company tells me its instant. 3 platinum. But I say I won't be happy unless I speak to yall. Because they don't seem to get the job done after I speak to you.



Fifth Note:

Rowe its your job to make sure I get that money into the account for the house.

The tour will not go on unless I am secured that the money is coming down right.

But I must know how much Randy and I will make with the deduction of cost to other things like Shaco(?) this. How much will we make after all our payments to them people.

Do we have chaser lights?

I've seen these before but could never make out all of the words so I just inspected his handwriting. Thanks for the "translation"

I'm guessing this is 76-77ish since they were on CBS at that time. I love all this talk about money money money and making sure the record goes into the pop categories at the wrecka stow, then...

"Do we have chaser lights?"

These are definitely from 1979 or maybe early 1980. He was frustrated with the way Off The Wall was promoted. The majority of the letters are from when he was on the Destiny Tour, recording Off The Wall, promoting Off The Wall, and writing for Triumph)

(from December 1978 to June 1979, Michael was promoting Destiny with his brothers along with the Destiny Tour, going back and forth to LA to record Off The Wall, and preparing for the Triumph album all at the same time)

mozfonky said:

Timmy84 said:

Dude was about THE BUSINESS, ya heard me?

I remember reading about how he would fire someone in a heartbeat, if they showed signs of incompetence. Not out of meanness or power mongering but because it got in his way. That was a big part of his rep in his prime, one that interestingly has been overshadowed and forgotten with how careless he did become with things. It's funny but if you look at the 84 interview of Michael and the 56 interviews of elvis, you can see the same absolute self-assuredness which they both lost in that tailspin throughout the years. It's so ironic because it makes it seem like both became less mature as they got older. Michael and Elvis both had a moment, not only could they do know wrong, they knew it and it came through in their every mannerism.

[Edited 8/21/10 23:46pm]

Yeah I noticed that reading about Elvis in his early years too.

bboy87 said:

jaybendy said:

I've seen these before but could never make out all of the words so I just inspected his handwriting. Thanks for the "translation"

I'm guessing this is 76-77ish since they were on CBS at that time. I love all this talk about money money money and making sure the record goes into the pop categories at the wrecka stow, then...

"Do we have chaser lights?"

These are definitely from 1979 or maybe early 1980. He was frustrated with the way Off The Wall was promoted. The majority of the letters are from when he was on the Destiny Tour, recording Off The Wall, promoting Off The Wall, and writing for Triumph)

(from December 1978 to June 1979, Michael was promoting Destiny with his brothers along with the Destiny Tour, going back and forth to LA to record Off The Wall, and preparing for the Triumph album all at the same time)

So I guess that's where the question about chaser lights came from.

[Edited 8/22/10 5:29am]

MyLuv229 said:

jaybendy said:

Isn't it sickening? And now that we kinda sorta know some things about that time period I'm like Awwww......

Yup You know who this was for Did you notice the date, 2/14/91? He wrote that on Valentine's day! I saw that was like Awww Mike's such a romantic cornball!

[Edited 8/21/10 22:26pm]

Who is it for? I am personally not sure? They are very cute though.

bboy87 said:

some handwritten notes from 1979

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First Note:

I can't conduct business successfully with anyone unless we meet on a week to week basis.

If we can't meet weekly I must move on because it will not work.

I'm going to write a lot of great songs in the future movie script as well I want the biggest film company but will we be if we don't communicate weekly. No professional successfully company work the way we do.


Second Note:

Make sure to tell him I was looking for him at the platinum party.

I don't want to be with any company I can't communicate with. I can't do business like that and you can't and you can't either that's why I must speak to you.

We must have a true real marriage or it will never work. I'm not a psychologist. I speak from the heart only.

Third note:

Will yet.I'm not bragging or boasting. I say this in a very thankful way. I will be doing a lot of great great thing in the future and i during all chat tune like to still be on CBS as an artist.

But if my belief is you doing the best you can with me not there then I will never be happy.

and I'm not trying to use psychology to get hits. I say this from the heart. I want to paint beautiful pictures in my field and i want the world.


Fourth Note:

to all see it. So do this with my song. Please yet check with me every week on my albums. I put my heart in the album. Now I would like is see your heart. You are president of the company you represent CBS, Everyoe, as a whole. So I want to speak to you. I want to know ( cannot make out) my records going. So call me please. Supply of albums in store. I want pop. Demand by pop. I never want to speak to everyone at the company tells me its instant. 3 platinum. But I say I won't be happy unless I speak to yall. Because they don't seem to get the job done after I speak to you.



Fifth Note:

Rowe its your job to make sure I get that money into the account for the house.

The tour will not go on unless I am secured that the money is coming down right.

But I must know how much Randy and I will make with the deduction of cost to other things like Shaco(?) this. How much will we make after all our payments to them people.

Do we have chaser lights?

LMAO @ the random chaser lights question. Mike was about business even at 21! It worked - Off the Wall got him 20 mil

jaybendy said:

suga10 said:

Yeah Bashir definitely manipulated that interview. However Michael said some really stupid things in that interview which made him vulnerable to being targeted as being a child molester. As caring as he was- he didn't have to hold Gavin's hand out on tv and he didn't have to say - I tuck kids in, with hot milk and cookies, and its charming. Its all innocent love why the hell did he say stuff like that. He just made himself into a vulnerable target by the media. Michael also justified how it was okay to have kids sleep in the same bed that were not related to him- I mean that's was just not something that that was justifiable.

If those parts were not even stated on the interview. I think Michael's life would have been very different today.

[Edited 8/21/10 14:52pm]

The thing about that was that whole "sleeping in the bed, cookies and milk, hot air balloon" thing was, for him that WAS normal... he didn't see anything wrong with it because for him it wasn't sexual. And even if he DID think that people would think it was wrong, or take it the wrong way, he didn't care because he wanted to do what HE wanted to do, and didn't feel that he had to answer to anyone. I agree with you, he needed an external sensor, someone to tell him NOT to say those things, but he didn't. What ended up making it worse tho IMO, was Bashir's manipulation of Michael's comments, and all of Bashir's v/o commentary... I swear he used the word "bizarre" about 50-11 times during that mockumentary, basically poisoning the viewers mind and pulling all objectivity out of the entire thing.

Michael did that interview with Bashir because he was looking for understanding and synpathy from the public and thought he could trust Bashir because he was able to do that for Princess Diana, but Bashir had his own agenda. If Bashir had done that docu the way it was intended, the way that he TOLD Michael he WOULD do it, it wouldnt have mattered what Michael said, the whole thing would have turned out differently. Bashir KNEW using that footage of him and Gavin holding hands and what not would have caused a stir, THAT is why he left it in there. Just like there were things he obviously left out, seeing all these new clips from that interview coming to light on youtube. Bashir's a hack and knew exactly what he was doing.

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I knew from the very beginning that the interview was a lie even before i saw take two and could prove my point that it was manipulated. I just had that feeling.

But funny thing is, yeah I agree that Mike could have kept certain things to himself, but he was always like that saying more than he should. He was just that open.

As for that holding hands thing with Gavin, there´s something very interesting about it. This scene is cut in a way that you don´t know who took whose hand. All you see is all of sudden Mike sitting there holding Mike´s hand and with people´s view of Mike and Bashir´s commentary, you are autamitacaly led to believe that it was Mike who took Gavin´s hand. BUT if you wait till the last interview in Miami, Bashir goes back to Gavin and during their discussion, he shows them sitting there together holding hand, but this time, you can see it from the beginning. Bashir speaks over the footage so most people don´t pay attention to what Mike is saying, but he says that "he deserved all the joys in life" and at that point, Gavin leans on Mike, puts his head over Michael´s shoulder and takes his hand. Now what you expect Mike to do in this situation, pull away and say don´t do that, don´t touch me, people would interpret it in the wrong way? And if he did that, wouldn´t it look even more suspicious? People would wonder, why did he pull away? he probably feels quilty about something...See I believe that Mike just got into certain situations without even knowing how and had to pay for it big time.

alphastreet said:

I feel angry right now. I know people did like him before he passed, but now I feel so angry about it all like if I publicly show love for him, I'll be placed in the poser category too, though I'm not!

on a good note though, I saw a pic of a kid who's my cousin's friend that I taught a long time ago, he's dressed like mj and has on a cute red shirt with an armband and all these black buckles including one over the shoulder, I was like OMGGGG though I think I remember a long time ago he saw someone with shiny clothes and said "like mj" so someone at his place is a fan I'm sure.

[Edited 8/21/10 23:37pm]

Don't let it get to you. That's just how it is as an MJ fan. You can never publically show your love for him (before or after he died) because haters will hate. That's why I come on these threads and boards because it's like getting closure for his death. Any expression of fanhood that I've displayed publically has been met with criticisms and jokes. Hate to say, I just keep it a secret. Can't argue with everyone!

[Edited 8/22/10 8:22am]

dag said:

But funny thing is, yeah I agree that Mike could have kept certain things to himself, but he was always like that saying more than he should. He was just that open.

As for that holding hands thing with Gavin, there´s something very interesting about it. This scene is cut in a way that you don´t know who took whose hand. All you see is all of sudden Mike sitting there holding Mike´s hand and with people´s view of Mike and Bashir´s commentary, you are autamitacaly led to believe that it was Mike who took Gavin´s hand. BUT if you wait till the last interview in Miami, Bashir goes back to Gavin and during their discussion, he shows them sitting there together holding hand, but this time, you can see it from the beginning. Bashir speaks over the footage so most people don´t pay attention to what Mike is saying, but he says that "he deserved all the joys in life" and at that point, Gavin leans on Mike, puts his head over Michael´s shoulder and takes his hand. Now what you expect Mike to do in this situation, pull away and say don´t do that, don´t touch me, people would interpret it in the wrong way? And if he did that, wouldn´t it look even more suspicious? People would wonder, why did he pull away? he probably feels quilty about something...See I believe that Mike just got into certain situations without even knowing how and had to pay for it big time.

I agree on the hand-holding and leaning-on-the-shoulder point. I knew the documentary was manipulated just from the sheer narration. That's how you know it's a poor documentary - when you don't see what's being said. He kept talking about Neverland being a frightening and unsafe place, but you never saw that evidentially in the footage. Basically, what you see and what you hear narrated were incompatible. When it first aired, I never saw it fully - just bits and pieces. Never understood why VH1 had it on constant replay either.