Swa said:

^^ I seem to recall in a comic of Moonwalker I had at the time there was a whole other part to the story about the music store and how Michael knew the kids. It wasn't a huge backstory but it did show that he had the store to help the kids out.

a Moonwalker comic book? I vaguely remember hearing about that....

bboy87 said:

Swa said:

^^ I seem to recall in a comic of Moonwalker I had at the time there was a whole other part to the story about the music store and how Michael knew the kids. It wasn't a huge backstory but it did show that he had the store to help the kids out.

a Moonwalker comic book? I vaguely remember hearing about that....

The picture could also be the beginning deleted scene of the film. Possibly Michael leaving Katie and telling her he'll be back and to meet him at the Club later that night. Hmmm

bboy87 said:

Swa said:

^^ I seem to recall in a comic of Moonwalker I had at the time there was a whole other part to the story about the music store and how Michael knew the kids. It wasn't a huge backstory but it did show that he had the store to help the kids out.

a Moonwalker comic book? I vaguely remember hearing about that....

I need to find that. I had the Moonwalker Storybook at the time...but not a comic book.

bboy87 said:

Swa said:

Judge dismisses promoters' lawsuit against Jackson

(AP) – 50 minutes ago

NEW YORK — A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit by a concert promoter against the late Michael Jackson over a failed reunion concert.

U.S. District Judge Harold Baer Jr. granted a motion by lawyers for Jackson's estate to dismiss the case, citing a lack of evidence that the late King of Pop or his family were under a binding agreement to perform at a reunion concert.

AllGood Entertainment Inc., a company started in Morristown, N.J., sued Jackson for $40 million on June 10, 2009, roughly two weeks before the singer's death in Los Angeles at age 50. It claimed Jackson and his then-manager broke a contract for a Jackson reunion show.

AllGood later filed a creditor's claim with Jackson's estate, claiming the potential value of the lawsuit was at least $300 million.

Baer determined that there was a letter of intent between Jackson's then-manager, Frank DiLeo, and AllGood, but never an enforceable contract. He noted that neither Jackson nor any other members of the family who were to be involved in the show ever signed a contract.

Attorneys for Jackson's estate and DiLeo contended that if there was a breach in the contract, AllGood broke the agreement first because it did not issue a payment to Jackson before a required deadline. Baer wrote that there was no evidence that AllGood suffered substantial economic damage because of the failed concert.

"This case never had any merit and the claim was frivolous from day one," Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman said in a statement. "Michael Jackson never agreed to participate in a concert promoted by AllGood as the judge clearly found in his opinion."

An after-hours phone message left for AllGood's attorney, Ira Meyerowitz, was not immediately returned.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

The lawsuit was so ridiculous

When Michael announced the o2 shows, he recieved about 5 lawsuits that following week

Joe Jackson and Leonard Rowe must be PISSED! The funniest thing, Bboy, is that 2 out of those 5 lawsuits came from his own flesh and blood.

[Edited 8/21/10 11:14am]

Excerpt from Dieter Wiesner's interview:

[Edited 8/21/10 11:35am]

Vanilli said:

Does anyone know what footage from "This Is It" is from June 24th late evening, if any?

I remember reading in one article that night was the first night Michael saw the Thriller

spider - so does that mean the footage of the spider was from June 24th? Anyone know?

Also, does anyone know the last song Michael performed on June 24th? I've heard from

some fans it was "Heal The World."

Earth Song was the last song he performed that night. If you watch the movie again you'll see him in a black tshirt with white letters, it's says Curls for my Girls... apparently a fan gave it to him a few days prior and he wore it on his last night. Any footage u see of him in the movie wearing that tshirt is the night of the 24th.

Swa said:

Judge dismisses promoters' lawsuit against Jackson

(AP) – 50 minutes ago

NEW YORK — A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit by a concert promoter against the late Michael Jackson over a failed reunion concert.

U.S. District Judge Harold Baer Jr. granted a motion by lawyers for Jackson's estate to dismiss the case, citing a lack of evidence that the late King of Pop or his family were under a binding agreement to perform at a reunion concert.

AllGood Entertainment Inc., a company started in Morristown, N.J., sued Jackson for $40 million on June 10, 2009, roughly two weeks before the singer's death in Los Angeles at age 50. It claimed Jackson and his then-manager broke a contract for a Jackson reunion show.

AllGood later filed a creditor's claim with Jackson's estate, claiming the potential value of the lawsuit was at least $300 million.

Baer determined that there was a letter of intent between Jackson's then-manager, Frank DiLeo, and AllGood, but never an enforceable contract. He noted that neither Jackson nor any other members of the family who were to be involved in the show ever signed a contract.

Attorneys for Jackson's estate and DiLeo contended that if there was a breach in the contract, AllGood broke the agreement first because it did not issue a payment to Jackson before a required deadline. Baer wrote that there was no evidence that AllGood suffered substantial economic damage because of the failed concert.

"This case never had any merit and the claim was frivolous from day one," Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman said in a statement. "Michael Jackson never agreed to participate in a concert promoted by AllGood as the judge clearly found in his opinion."

An after-hours phone message left for AllGood's attorney, Ira Meyerowitz, was not immediately returned.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

This whole thing was a mess anyway. IIRC Frank wasn't even his manager at the time anyway.

jaybendy said:

Swa said:

Judge dismisses promoters' lawsuit against Jackson

(AP) – 50 minutes ago

NEW YORK — A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit by a concert promoter against the late Michael Jackson over a failed reunion concert.

U.S. District Judge Harold Baer Jr. granted a motion by lawyers for Jackson's estate to dismiss the case, citing a lack of evidence that the late King of Pop or his family were under a binding agreement to perform at a reunion concert.

AllGood Entertainment Inc., a company started in Morristown, N.J., sued Jackson for $40 million on June 10, 2009, roughly two weeks before the singer's death in Los Angeles at age 50. It claimed Jackson and his then-manager broke a contract for a Jackson reunion show.

AllGood later filed a creditor's claim with Jackson's estate, claiming the potential value of the lawsuit was at least $300 million.

Baer determined that there was a letter of intent between Jackson's then-manager, Frank DiLeo, and AllGood, but never an enforceable contract. He noted that neither Jackson nor any other members of the family who were to be involved in the show ever signed a contract.

Attorneys for Jackson's estate and DiLeo contended that if there was a breach in the contract, AllGood broke the agreement first because it did not issue a payment to Jackson before a required deadline. Baer wrote that there was no evidence that AllGood suffered substantial economic damage because of the failed concert.

"This case never had any merit and the claim was frivolous from day one," Jackson estate attorney Howard Weitzman said in a statement. "Michael Jackson never agreed to participate in a concert promoted by AllGood as the judge clearly found in his opinion."

An after-hours phone message left for AllGood's attorney, Ira Meyerowitz, was not immediately returned.

Copyright © 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

This whole thing was a mess anyway. IIRC Frank wasn't even his manager at the time anyway.

Prior to Michael's death, there was a debate as to wherever Frank was his current manager or Tohme Tohme was. After MJ's death, both of them kept putting it out there that they managed MJ or were managing him at the time of his death but Frank had more say than Tohme. I don't think we heard much from Tohme after July... I may be wrong but we sure saw a lot from Frank.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...aY#t=0m10s

Cinnie said:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...aY#t=0m10s

I feel like I'm a teacher in this bitch.

Timmy84 said:

Cinnie said:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...aY#t=0m10s

I feel like I'm a teacher in this bitch.

I had it cued ten seconds in though

Cinnie said:

Timmy84 said:

I feel like I'm a teacher in this bitch.

I had it cued ten seconds in though

Shit I thought you were trying to embed it. My bad then.

[Edited 8/21/10 12:37pm]

Timmy84 said:

Cinnie said:

I had it cued ten seconds in though

Shit I thought you were trying to embed it. My bad then.

I actually suggested the org add a [ youtube ] tag back in 2007.

http://prince.org/msg/8/251999

Timmy84 said:

jaybendy said:

This whole thing was a mess anyway. IIRC Frank wasn't even his manager at the time anyway.

Prior to Michael's death, there was a debate as to wherever Frank was his current manager or Tohme Tohme was. After MJ's death, both of them kept putting it out there that they managed MJ or were managing him at the time of his death but Frank had more say than Tohme. I don't think we heard much from Tohme after July... I may be wrong but we sure saw a lot from Frank.

You're right. I think maybe I saw one interview with Tohme after Michael passed, then nothing. That dude disappeared... and I have a feeling he did so with money he embezzled from Michael. But that's another story.

I remember seeing an interview with Frank in which he says that Michael had already agreed to the 02 showsm then called Frank in to be his manager. Thats why I felt like this AGE lawsuit was a bunch of hooey. (I love that word. HOOEY!) How you gon make an agreement with a man who's NOT Michael manager? That's like them coming to me and asking me to ask Michael to do these shows.

Cinnie said:

Timmy84 said:

Shit I thought you were trying to embed it. My bad then.

I actually suggested the org add a [ youtube ] tag back in 2007.

http://prince.org/msg/8/251999

Ah... now I know who to thank then.

jaybendy said:

Timmy84 said:

Prior to Michael's death, there was a debate as to wherever Frank was his current manager or Tohme Tohme was. After MJ's death, both of them kept putting it out there that they managed MJ or were managing him at the time of his death but Frank had more say than Tohme. I don't think we heard much from Tohme after July... I may be wrong but we sure saw a lot from Frank.

You're right. I think maybe I saw one interview with Tohme after Michael passed, then nothing. That dude disappeared... and I have a feeling he did so with money he embezzled from Michael. But that's another story.

I remember seeing an interview with Frank in which he says that Michael had already agreed to the 02 showsm then called Frank in to be his manager. Thats why I felt like this AGE lawsuit was a bunch of hooey. (I love that word. HOOEY!) How you gon make an agreement with a man who's NOT Michael manager? That's like them coming to me and asking me to ask Michael to do these shows.

Yeah it was almost like full circle since Frank was there when MJ was rising at the time and to see him come back. I think his presence probably gave Michael some confidence in his art again. But yeah I can see how that'll be ridiculous if you're gonna make an agreement with a man who's not a manager of someone.

Frank was a kick ass manager. Sure he had his control issues, but between him and Branca they really made some incredibly sound business decisions that worked out well for Michael and are STILL working out well for him even after his death.

He really should have kept Frank. He was like Michael's alter ego. Plus they were too cute together, looking like the number 10.

Frank said Michael called him. I think he knew he needed help and was finally working to get his shit together. I really don't think he wanted to do these shows (or was afraid) but I think he was like eff it, if I'ma do them, let me do this right, and called up the only man he knew would have his back.

Tohme. Shady ass. I blame Jermaine. All he KNOWS is shady people. I mean yeah he did stop the forclosure of Neverland BUT he was gonna allow that auction to take place and I am convinced he didn't get Michael's approval for those 50 shows. And nobody can convince me he didn't steal money from Michael too. How u just gon disappear?

jaybendy said:

Frank was a kick ass manager. Sure he had his control issues, but between him and Branca they really made some incredibly sound business decisions that worked out well for Michael and are STILL working out well for him even after his death.

He really should have kept Frank. He was like Michael's alter ego. Plus they were too cute together, looking like the number 10.

Frank said Michael called him. I think he knew he needed help and was finally working to get his shit together. I really don't think he wanted to do these shows (or was afraid) but I think he was like eff it, if I'ma do them, let me do this right, and called up the only man he knew would have his back.

Tohme. Shady ass. I blame Jermaine. All he KNOWS is shady people. I mean yeah he did stop the forclosure of Neverland BUT he was gonna allow that auction to take place and I am convinced he didn't get Michael's approval for those 50 shows. And nobody can convince me he didn't steal money from Michael too. How u just gon disappear?

A part of me thinks Jermaine is more naive than Michael ever was and that's odd considering as kids growing up, Michael looked up to Jermaine as a musical inspiration but I think in time when the student outmastered the teacher, it's embarassing. I wanna believe Jermaine TRIED to have his brother's best interest but in hindsight we know he didn't. I would think despite Jermaine's response to the contrary that Michael didn't trust his brother and he didn't even wanna talk to him prior to his death because of business. It still drives me a little mad that Jermaine even did what he did. I just think Michael WANTED to trust his brother and when he found out how shady so and so was he felt hurt. Jermaine did more hurt than good to him when he suggested Tohme.

Timmy84 said:

jaybendy said:

Frank was a kick ass manager. Sure he had his control issues, but between him and Branca they really made some incredibly sound business decisions that worked out well for Michael and are STILL working out well for him even after his death.

He really should have kept Frank. He was like Michael's alter ego. Plus they were too cute together, looking like the number 10.

Frank said Michael called him. I think he knew he needed help and was finally working to get his shit together. I really don't think he wanted to do these shows (or was afraid) but I think he was like eff it, if I'ma do them, let me do this right, and called up the only man he knew would have his back.

Tohme. Shady ass. I blame Jermaine. All he KNOWS is shady people. I mean yeah he did stop the forclosure of Neverland BUT he was gonna allow that auction to take place and I am convinced he didn't get Michael's approval for those 50 shows. And nobody can convince me he didn't steal money from Michael too. How u just gon disappear?

A part of me thinks Jermaine is more naive than Michael ever was and that's odd considering as kids growing up, Michael looked up to Jermaine as a musical inspiration but I think in time when the student outmastered the teacher, it's embarassing. I wanna believe Jermaine TRIED to have his brother's best interest but in hindsight we know he didn't. I would think despite Jermaine's response to the contrary that Michael didn't trust his brother and he didn't even wanna talk to him prior to his death because of business. It still drives me a little mad that Jermaine even did what he did. I just think Michael WANTED to trust his brother and when he found out how shady so and so was he felt hurt. Jermaine did more hurt than good to him when he suggested Tohme.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

A part of me thinks Jermaine is more naive than Michael ever was and that's odd considering as kids growing up, Michael looked up to Jermaine as a musical inspiration but I think in time when the student outmastered the teacher, it's embarassing. I wanna believe Jermaine TRIED to have his brother's best interest but in hindsight we know he didn't. I would think despite Jermaine's response to the contrary that Michael didn't trust his brother and he didn't even wanna talk to him prior to his death because of business. It still drives me a little mad that Jermaine even did what he did. I just think Michael WANTED to trust his brother and when he found out how shady so and so was he felt hurt. Jermaine did more hurt than good to him when he suggested Tohme.

Jermaine is jealous of Michael , he probably got a poster of him on his wall and looks at it saying I wish I was Michael Wasn't he trying to get his little fame again last year lol.

Yeah.

That's what ticked me off. It's like "get the grease off the screen."

dag said:

Claire73 said:

I know its got Martin Bashit in but I just LOVE Michael in this

OMG Thanks sooooo much for this. This is also one of my all time favourite MJ footages of all time. I adore him. I wish I had the whole thing. I´ve heard there´s about an hour of this interview. I´d die to see it.

I can´t understand all that they´re saying. Can you help me, please?

1:44 - Bashir says something about Liz and Mike puts on a very sad face...Something she´s not young and that he´s gonna regret it.

2:55 - What does Mike reply to Bashir´s comment on Tatum?

3:55 - What does Mike say about music...something is dying or what?

4:34 - They talk about women throwing clothes on the screen. What does Mike reply? He also says something about children´s day. I can´t make it out,

And whose funeral is he attending?

Thanks in advance.

[Edited 8/7/10 9:47am]

Bashir's a snot rag. Seeing all this hidden footage shows so clearly how he acted like someone Michael could trust, then edited that shit down to make him look like a freaking crazy person. ugh.

at 1:44 Michael just seems to be saying "I know, I know... The French underneath, roughly translated, says "she's one of the most beautful people in the world, I love her."

[Edited 8/21/10 14:01pm]

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Jermaine is jealous of Michael , he probably got a poster of him on his wall and looks at it saying I wish I was Michael Wasn't he trying to get his little fame again last year lol.

Yeah.

That's what ticked me off. It's like "get the grease off the screen."

I have to tell you when I saw Take Two of the Bashit stuff. I got so freaking pissed off at the world. I was like "how can they do that to that man?"

I still get angry thinking about what Bashit did to him. He embarrassed and humilated MJ's trust. That was real low.

babybugz said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah.

That's what ticked me off. It's like "get the grease off the screen."

He dirty up my whole television set last year

I kept seeing dirty spots around my TV too I was like "fucking Jermaine! "

Timmy84 said:

babybugz said:

Jermaine is jealous of Michael , he probably got a poster of him on his wall and looks at it saying I wish I was Michael Wasn't he trying to get his little fame again last year lol.

Yeah.

That's what ticked me off. It's like "get the grease off the screen."

Jermaine is a fame whore. I have a love/hate relationship with Erms. I feel sorry for him because it's clear he wants SOOOO MUCH to be a star, but it's never gonna happen. Michael had more talent in his right eyeball than Jermaine ever will, not to mention the fact that Jermaine can't seem to stay focused on anything for too long anyway. I alsofeel badly for him because I mean Joe Jackson is his father. Yeesh.

The Jermaine Tohme thing is interesting. It seems like initially Tohme seemed legit, but then something happened and Michael knew it. He was probably like "DAMN IT JERMAINE!" introducing him to yet another POS sideways "business man". Dr. Tohme Tohme. Doctor of what? We still don't know.

I love Michael, I do, but damn it he needed to do some background checks on folks for real. Thome, Murray BOTH needed to be thoroughly investigated.

jaybendy said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah.

That's what ticked me off. It's like "get the grease off the screen."

Jermaine is a fame whore. I have a love/hate relationship with Erms. I feel sorry for him because it's clear he wants SOOOO MUCH to be a star, but it's never gonna happen. Michael had more talent in his right eyeball than Jermaine ever will, not to mention the fact that Jermaine can't seem to stay focused on anything for too long anyway. I alsofeel badly for him because I mean Joe Jackson is his father. Yeesh.

The Jermaine Tohme thing is interesting. It seems like initially Tohme seemed legit, but then something happened and Michael knew it. He was probably like "DAMN IT JERMAINE!" introducing him to yet another POS sideways "business man". Dr. Tohme Tohme. Doctor of what? We still don't know.

I love Michael, I do, but damn it he needed to do some background checks on folks for real. Thome, Murray BOTH needed to be thoroughly investigated.

Michael always loved his family. I guess Jermaine convinced him...in SOME way...that Tohme was legit. He had to find out the hard way that he wasn't legit.

jaybendy said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah.

That's what ticked me off. It's like "get the grease off the screen."

I love Michael, I do, but damn it he needed to do some background checks on folks for real. Thome, Murray BOTH needed to be thoroughly investigated.

Timmy84 said:

I have to tell you when I saw Take Two of the Bashit stuff. I got so freaking pissed off at the world. I was like "how can they do that to that man?"

I still get angry thinking about what Bashit did to him. He embarrassed and humilated MJ's trust. That was real low.

The lowest of the low. I remember when it aired I was sitting there thinking "people aren't gonna understand this". It was like I knew what Michael was trying to say, but Bashir twisted things around so much I just felt so bad. I remember going to work defending him like "No no that's not what he meant..." Bashir man... I just had no idea how that "docu" would turn into this... thing. Then the part two.. with the outtakes and with Debbie... Debbie made things worse. It was like Michael was trying to explain or justify his life to other people, and he shouldn't have had to do that because his life, just because of who he was, could never even be considered normal or understandable.

jaybendy said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah.

That's what ticked me off. It's like "get the grease off the screen."

Jermaine is a fame whore. I have a love/hate relationship with Erms. I feel sorry for him because it's clear he wants SOOOO MUCH to be a star, but it's never gonna happen. Michael had more talent in his right eyeball than Jermaine ever will, not to mention the fact that Jermaine can't seem to stay focused on anything for too long anyway. I alsofeel badly for him because I mean Joe Jackson is his father. Yeesh.

The Jermaine Tohme thing is interesting. It seems like initially Tohme seemed legit, but then something happened and Michael knew it. He was probably like "DAMN IT JERMAINE!" introducing him to yet another POS sideways "business man". Dr. Tohme Tohme. Doctor of what? We still don't know.

I love Michael, I do, but damn it he needed to do some background checks on folks for real. Thome, Murray BOTH needed to be thoroughly investigated.

I always felt though Jermaine cared about Michael, there always a side of him who didn't have his Michael's best interest at heart. I mean introducing Tohme to Michael- come on now

And as we can see now, Jermaine's definitely cashing in, while the other brothers are staying low profile.

Timmy84 said:

I have to tell you when I saw Take Two of the Bashit stuff. I got so freaking pissed off at the world. I was like "how can they do that to that man?"

I still get angry thinking about what Bashit did to him. He embarrassed and humilated MJ's trust. That was real low.

Yeah Bashir definitely manipulated that interview. However Michael said some really stupid things in that interview which made him vulnerable to being targeted as being a child molester. As caring as he was- he didn't have to hold Gavin's hand out on tv and he didn't have to say - I tuck kids in, with hot milk and cookies, and its charming. Its all innocent love why the hell did he say stuff like that. He just made himself into a vulnerable target by the media. Michael also justified how it was okay to have kids sleep in the same bed that were not related to him- I mean that's was something that that was not justifiable. He should have learned his lesson about not letting kids stayover after what happened in 1993 when media kept bashing him about Chandler.

If those parts were not even stated on the interview. I think Michael's life would have been very different today.

[Edited 8/21/10 14:52pm]

[Edited 8/21/10 15:00pm]