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Reply #390 posted 08/14/10 8:07pm

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http://www.thestate.com/2...ckson.html

Rock Hill doc recalls saving Jackson in '95

Wednesday, Jul. 08, 2009


When Dr. William Alleyne II heard about Michael Jackson's death last week while on vacation, this doctor who specializes in lung ailments in Rock Hill turned young again.

In his mind, he was just Bill Alleyne, the young guy who spent money out of his pocket to buy Michael Jackson albums. The guy who became a doctor and took his new bride to Michael Jackson concerts.

“It was an overwhelming sense of sadness,” Alleyne said.

Sure, Bill Alleyne is a Michael Jackson fan like millions. But Dr. William Alleyne had more reason to be sad than most fans. Alleyne said Tuesday, for the first time in 14 years, “I was the doctor who saved Michael Jackson's life.”

In December 1995, Alleyne was the critical care director at Beth Israel North Hospital, on the Upper East Side in New York City across the way from the mayor's Gracie Mansion. He was the guy in charge when one of the nurses told him, “We have Michael Jackson coming here.”

Alleyne didn't believe it then.

“I said, ‘Ha, ha, very funny,'” Alleyne recalled.

He had seen patients who were stars, or spouses of stars, but this was different. Thousands of people started clamoring outside the hospital. The place was turning into bedlam.

“Ten minutes later, they rolled Michael Jackson in on a stretcher,” Alleyne said Tuesday from his Rock Hill office where he's one of the partners at Carolina Pulmonary Physicians. But in 1995, Alleyne was the doctor to the King of Pop. Jackson had collapsed after a rehearsal for an upcoming HBO special at the nearby Beacon Theater.

Alleyne and his wife had seen Jackson before in concert, on television, and now, in 1995, Jackson was waiting, unconscious, for Bill Alleyne to save his life.

“Mr. Jackson was in critical condition,” Alleyne said. “He was dehydrated. He had low blood pressure. He had a rapid heart rate. He was near death.”

Alleyne went from doctor to a star to doctor of a man who could die. Alleyne, an acquaintance of Jackson's doctor at the time who had seen some of that doctor's patients, had been picked personally by that doctor to be the attending physician for Jackson's emergency care. Alleyne gave the order to have the defibrillator ready if needed to treat the abnormal heart rhythm of the most famous entertainer with the best rhythm on Earth.

After about an hour or so that December dusk, Alleyne said he had Jackson stabilized with intravenous fluids and other treatment, and transferred Jackson to intensive care. But in the meantime, the crowd outside had become massive, a mob scene.

“I looked outside the window, and the crowd was shoulder to shoulder, huge, far more than when the mayor's mansion across the street had hosted the pope, the president, even Nelson Mandela,” Alleyne recalled.

And inside the hospital, Alleyne said, “it was absolute pandemonium.”

Jackson's entourage had muscled into intensive care. Alleyne had a brief showdown with one bodyguard who did not want to let Alleyne in the room again after Alleyne had left briefly. Alleyne recalled he said to the bodyguard, “Your boss is dying in there, and I am going in there to save his life. You can be the one who has to say you wouldn't let me in.”

Bill Alleyne walked in and saved Michael Jackson.

But the crush of people inside wasn't over. The entourage of Jackson's then-wife, Lisa Marie Presley, came in. Presley came in, too. Then through the middle of the crowd, another entourage, and Janet Jackson, Michael's sister.

“Here is Janet, drop-dead, stop-the clock gorgeous, and she said, ‘Thank you for taking care of my brother,'” Alleyne recalled.

Alleyne found time to call home. His wife, Cheryl Courtlandt, a physician herself who now is a pediatrician at Levine's Children's Hospital in Charlotte, was home with two small kids.

“I'm gonna be a little late honey,” Alleyne told his wife. “Turn on the news.”

"If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson
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Reply #391 posted 08/14/10 8:21pm

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MyLuv229 said:

Michael introducing his band during Dangerous. Love how carefree he moves here. And the leg-pop when he kissed Siedah. I also like the handshake at :50

THANK YOU!

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Reply #392 posted 08/14/10 8:24pm

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loquaciousthe3rd said:

mimi07 said:

lol it's a sweet song and i think it's better than the girl is mine.

Mhmmm...love that song. smile

LOL! Its a sweet song for a 16 year old, not a grown man.

I actually like the demo of TGIM better than the version that ended up on the album. I know, I'm strange. I've just never been a fan of Paul's voice.

Prince esta muerto...
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Reply #393 posted 08/14/10 8:26pm

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ali23 said:

MyLuv229 said:

Michael introducing his band during Dangerous. Love how carefree he moves here. And the leg-pop when he kissed Siedah. I also like the handshake at :50

THANK YOU!

I love the way his body moves.. he's so lanky but comfortable in it, it's really cute.

And Siedah = a million times better than Sheryl Crow.

Prince esta muerto...
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Reply #394 posted 08/14/10 8:36pm

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I REALLY ENJOYED THIS!

Especially "Human Nature" and "Beat It"

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Reply #395 posted 08/14/10 8:45pm

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I like that Bad outfit from Dangerous

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Reply #396 posted 08/14/10 9:35pm

SherryJackson

I absolutely love this song....been ages since I heard it...Freddie and Michael...just lovely!

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Reply #397 posted 08/14/10 9:47pm

alphastreet

I like this song too

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Reply #398 posted 08/14/10 11:06pm

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bboy87 said:

There are so many layers to HIStory that it may take one years to fully understand it all. Someone said in the thread before previous thread felt that HIStory was an album of b-sides and I had to strongly disagree...*snip*

ITA. When I first listened to it never struck me as really radio friendly pop. In fact, it never really struck me as 'pop.' It felt like raw emotions to me. Some people don't really like it and I'm not mad at them for that. Though, one of the awesome things about the album is that while others, most notably rappers, are dissing their fellow artists, Michael was dissing a United States District Attorney. One who just tried to put him in jail. I have to give him props for that one. That took some serious balls, even though the man went after him, again, a little less than a decade later.

All this talk about HIStory reminded me of this video I came across one day:

http://www.tv.com/video/1...n-of-music

It's a video of Priya David, from CBS, speaking with Vibe Magazine Editor in Chief Danyel Smith about Michael Jackson's influence in music and the African-American community.

Towards the last two minutes of the video the interviewer asks the editor what does she think MJ's stance on race was. So the woman answers to the effect that she believed he was proud of who he was. Then when presented with the question of why she believes so, the editor answers something like, "Um...I like to believe that he did. I can feel it inside of me."
Ok, so the editor never called out the interviewer on all of the race questions, but the answer that the editor gave in the last 2 minutes were pretty rageworthy in itself. For example, when I look at his art I can see him referencing black history pretty frequently in the 90s, especially in HIStory. Hell, didn't MJ go back to r&b in Invincible? Maybe she didn't bother to listen to these albums, but I would think that you would want to educate yourself a bit before you decide to go on national tv to be interviewed. Even before HIStory there was Michael's use of the black panther imagery in Black or White and it is no secret that the Black Panter is synonymous with the Black Panther movement in the mid 60-70s in the US. MJ was not only alive at that time, but he, apparently, loved to read history and even dedicated an entire song to it. In Remember the Time he set it up back in ancient Egypt and went against popular Hollywood depictions by making sure that everyone featured in the video was black. Someone who wasn't proud of who they were would not be embracing their history like that. They would be running away from it & not even acknowledge it.
Even looking beyond all that, MJ's recurring message in his music and art was the equality of everyone in all of his music dating ALL the way back to his earliest penned works with the Jacksons. Always. No matter how much lighter he was or how much smaller his nose became, he never changed his tune. I think it's very sad when people like to focus on that element, as it is pretty shallow on their behalf, rather than looking at what's right in front of them. If she could have thwarted the interviewer's questions by answering it in that manner rather than to trying to answer from her perspective and her clouded nostalgia goggles then maybe that interview wouldn't have been so rage-worthy. I mean, what did the man have to do? Go out with baggy pants down to his knees w/his drawers showing? Did he have to go out there pistol whipping brothas' and getting arrested for it? Did he not have enough big booty video girls in his music videos? Should he have had been arrested for having illegal narcotics on him? Should he have walked around in a dashiki? All to prove that he was proud to be who he was born as? Would he have, truly, fared out better by acting as a walking stereotype for some?
/rant
I didn't mean to rant, but all this discussion of this album reminded me of this video.

[Edited 8/14/10 23:08pm]

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Reply #399 posted 08/14/10 11:10pm

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HIStory took me two years to understand where Michael was coming from. By the time that Bashit documentary aired, I began listening to the album with new eyes and saw that this album was from a man who was obviously spilling his guts for everyone to see and folks still were pissing at him as if he wasn't human.

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Reply #400 posted 08/14/10 11:20pm

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poor michael was just too damned big, i think the same fate more or less would have happened between mike and the public/media with anyone else. The added neurosis of blackness just cemented the deal. People forget now but Elvis raped Priscilla, he almost killed a 13 year old with pills accidentally, broke a womans ankle. All things which could have ruined him even then, today there would be no way to keep those things quiet. There are always leaches to come out on famous people, i've studied enough of them to know it. Jack Dempsey had women accusing him of rape, being a pimp. It's just an occupational hazard for the famous. Money makes people absolutely insane.

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Reply #401 posted 08/15/10 12:31am

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Unholyalliance said:

bboy87 said:

There are so many layers to HIStory that it may take one years to fully understand it all. Someone said in the thread before previous thread felt that HIStory was an album of b-sides and I had to strongly disagree...*snip*

ITA. When I first listened to it never struck me as really radio friendly pop. In fact, it never really struck me as 'pop.' It felt like raw emotions to me. Some people don't really like it and I'm not mad at them for that. Though, one of the awesome things about the album is that while others, most notably rappers, are dissing their fellow artists, Michael was dissing a United States District Attorney. One who just tried to put him in jail. I have to give him props for that one. That took some serious balls, even though the man went after him, again, a little less than a decade later.

All this talk about HIStory reminded me of this video I came across one day:

http://www.tv.com/video/1...n-of-music

It's a video of Priya David, from CBS, speaking with Vibe Magazine Editor in Chief Danyel Smith about Michael Jackson's influence in music and the African-American community.

Towards the last two minutes of the video the interviewer asks the editor what does she think MJ's stance on race was. So the woman answers to the effect that she believed he was proud of who he was. Then when presented with the question of why she believes so, the editor answers something like, "Um...I like to believe that he did. I can feel it inside of me."
Ok, so the editor never called out the interviewer on all of the race questions, but the answer that the editor gave in the last 2 minutes were pretty rageworthy in itself. For example, when I look at his art I can see him referencing black history pretty frequently in the 90s, especially in HIStory. Hell, didn't MJ go back to r&b in Invincible? Maybe she didn't bother to listen to these albums, but I would think that you would want to educate yourself a bit before you decide to go on national tv to be interviewed. Even before HIStory there was Michael's use of the black panther imagery in Black or White and it is no secret that the Black Panter is synonymous with the Black Panther movement in the mid 60-70s in the US. MJ was not only alive at that time, but he, apparently, loved to read history and even dedicated an entire song to it. In Remember the Time he set it up back in ancient Egypt and went against popular Hollywood depictions by making sure that everyone featured in the video was black. Someone who wasn't proud of who they were would not be embracing their history like that. They would be running away from it & not even acknowledge it.
Even looking beyond all that, MJ's recurring message in his music and art was the equality of everyone in all of his music dating ALL the way back to his earliest penned works with the Jacksons. Always. No matter how much lighter he was or how much smaller his nose became, he never changed his tune. I think it's very sad when people like to focus on that element, as it is pretty shallow on their behalf, rather than looking at what's right in front of them. If she could have thwarted the interviewer's questions by answering it in that manner rather than to trying to answer from her perspective and her clouded nostalgia goggles then maybe that interview wouldn't have been so rage-worthy. I mean, what did the man have to do? Go out with baggy pants down to his knees w/his drawers showing? Did he have to go out there pistol whipping brothas' and getting arrested for it? Did he not have enough big booty video girls in his music videos? Should he have had been arrested for having illegal narcotics on him? Should he have walked around in a dashiki? All to prove that he was proud to be who he was born as? Would he have, truly, fared out better by acting as a walking stereotype for some?
/rant
I didn't mean to rant, but all this discussion of this album reminded me of this video.

[Edited 8/14/10 23:08pm]

nod

I've mentioned this a couple of times here but I'm gonna mention it again lol

One of my favorite current artists, Dam Funk said his biggest pet peeve was the comparison between Michael and Prince because Michael was more of an entertainer chasing hits (along with him saying he never plays Michael's music during his DJ nights)

and I really had to look at Michael's solo catalog and look at the state music was in when each album was released and the stories behind them and that statement doesn't ring true to me.

This may be the stan in me talking, but, Michael didn't chase hits, he just made them lol His music fit on radio and clubs of that time, but it also had it's own mark where it can be played years after. Even the first part of Dangerous heavily relying on the New Jack Swing sound, still felt different. It had that "Jackson Sound" as I like to call it. He would take a popular sound and do his own twist. Similar to Stevie in that respect that they could both take something new or current and twist it and make it theirs. The only time I feel Michael may have been "chasing" hits was Invincible, but even with that album, I can only think of maybe 6 songs that would have actually fit on the radio (Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Whatever Happens, You Rock My World, Invincible, Unbreakable)

and I definitely agree with you on the race issue. He never denied who he was and where he came from. In fact, he was more partial to his heritage. During Oprah's interview in 1993, she kept saying it was his first interview in 14 years and it makes you say what? because he had just done a huge interview with Ebony and Jet barely a year before lol In fact he had done several interviews with Ebony and Jet in those 14 years. He never strayed away from R&B either, always helped out black charities, was a huge supporter of BET (before and after the fuckery lol ) Ebony, Jet, and many black organizations

Katt Williams' commentary from a couple of years ago still irks me for those reasons you mentioned and I just stated neutral

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #402 posted 08/15/10 12:39am

Timmy84

Some black folks act brain-fart like when it's mentioned that MJ always showed pride in who he was. Unless they were a fan or unless they followed his career like that, they would look at you with weird faces. Thing is MJ NEVER turned his back on the black community or "black music". He was always producing stuff that was steep in black culture. Some folks just don't realize that. And thing is MJ never really put too much into it, he was proud to be black but he presented himself to ALL people. He was a unifier. He refuse to segregate himself and I think that was a problem for some black folks who didn't get what he was doing especially after Thriller. His music was an integrated musical pot and he wanted his fans the same way but he was always the first to remind you of WHO he was.

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Reply #403 posted 08/15/10 12:47am

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Timmy84 said:

Some black folks act brain-fart like when it's mentioned that MJ always showed pride in who he was. Unless they were a fan or unless they followed his career like that, they would look at you with weird faces. Thing is MJ NEVER turned his back on the black community or "black music". He was always producing stuff that was steep in black culture. Some folks just don't realize that. And thing is MJ never really put too much into it, he was proud to be black but he presented himself to ALL people. He was a unifier. He refuse to segregate himself and I think that was a problem for some black folks who didn't get what he was doing especially after Thriller. His music was an integrated musical pot and he wanted his fans the same way but he was always the first to remind you of WHO he was.

You know, I had to pause a clip of Moonwalker. The one where they show that huge audience in Liverpool during the Bad Tour and I thought "To think, a black kid from Gary Indiana, which was one of the most segregated areas at the time, from poverty, did THAT...."

wow.....

"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #404 posted 08/15/10 1:11am

Timmy84

bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:

Some black folks act brain-fart like when it's mentioned that MJ always showed pride in who he was. Unless they were a fan or unless they followed his career like that, they would look at you with weird faces. Thing is MJ NEVER turned his back on the black community or "black music". He was always producing stuff that was steep in black culture. Some folks just don't realize that. And thing is MJ never really put too much into it, he was proud to be black but he presented himself to ALL people. He was a unifier. He refuse to segregate himself and I think that was a problem for some black folks who didn't get what he was doing especially after Thriller. His music was an integrated musical pot and he wanted his fans the same way but he was always the first to remind you of WHO he was.

You know, I had to pause a clip of Moonwalker. The one where they show that huge audience in Liverpool during the Bad Tour and I thought "To think, a black kid from Gary Indiana, which was one of the most segregated areas at the time, from poverty, did THAT...."

wow.....

Yeah I thought the same thing when I looked at that picture. Same when I saw him on HBO and you heard NOTHING but cheers at this man who came from where he came from. It's mind blowing. I almost cry thinking about it. And he was from the same background as you and me. I felt pride just thinking about it.

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Reply #405 posted 08/15/10 2:44am

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^^ The Oprah Interview was I think Michael's first LIVE television interview in 14 years (at least in the states). I am guessing that was what she was playing at.

As my long discussion of the HiStory album attests (a page back), when I want to feel in touch with Michael the person through his art, this is the album I listen too. I like that he stood up for himself and went on the attack - even though at times he plays the victim on the album he is fully justified.

When Michael came from a moment of tension or anger in his music was often when he was being his most innovative.

"I'm not human I'm a dove, I'm ur conscience. I am love"
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Reply #406 posted 08/15/10 7:02am

angel345

MyLuv229 said:

angel345 said:

I don't mind the popcorn and candy, but they can have the clowns. Besides, MJ has been around enough clowns to last him a lifetime.

Do you mean metaphorical clowns? Dr. Klein, Faye, LaToya, other Jackson members... that Tatiana chick was clownish too

[Edited 8/14/10 18:48pm]

Metaphorically nod It's sad the man barely had a true friendship with someone. Besides, I've seen MJ in a clown suit or two lol

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Reply #407 posted 08/15/10 7:29am

angel345

bboy87 said:

Unholyalliance said:

ITA. When I first listened to it never struck me as really radio friendly pop. In fact, it never really struck me as 'pop.' It felt like raw emotions to me. Some people don't really like it and I'm not mad at them for that. Though, one of the awesome things about the album is that while others, most notably rappers, are dissing their fellow artists, Michael was dissing a United States District Attorney. One who just tried to put him in jail. I have to give him props for that one. That took some serious balls, even though the man went after him, again, a little less than a decade later.

All this talk about HIStory reminded me of this video I came across one day:

http://www.tv.com/video/1...n-of-music

It's a video of Priya David, from CBS, speaking with Vibe Magazine Editor in Chief Danyel Smith about Michael Jackson's influence in music and the African-American community.

Towards the last two minutes of the video the interviewer asks the editor what does she think MJ's stance on race was. So the woman answers to the effect that she believed he was proud of who he was. Then when presented with the question of why she believes so, the editor answers something like, "Um...I like to believe that he did. I can feel it inside of me."
Ok, so the editor never called out the interviewer on all of the race questions, but the answer that the editor gave in the last 2 minutes were pretty rageworthy in itself. For example, when I look at his art I can see him referencing black history pretty frequently in the 90s, especially in HIStory. Hell, didn't MJ go back to r&b in Invincible? Maybe she didn't bother to listen to these albums, but I would think that you would want to educate yourself a bit before you decide to go on national tv to be interviewed. Even before HIStory there was Michael's use of the black panther imagery in Black or White and it is no secret that the Black Panter is synonymous with the Black Panther movement in the mid 60-70s in the US. MJ was not only alive at that time, but he, apparently, loved to read history and even dedicated an entire song to it. In Remember the Time he set it up back in ancient Egypt and went against popular Hollywood depictions by making sure that everyone featured in the video was black. Someone who wasn't proud of who they were would not be embracing their history like that. They would be running away from it & not even acknowledge it.
Even looking beyond all that, MJ's recurring message in his music and art was the equality of everyone in all of his music dating ALL the way back to his earliest penned works with the Jacksons. Always. No matter how much lighter he was or how much smaller his nose became, he never changed his tune. I think it's very sad when people like to focus on that element, as it is pretty shallow on their behalf, rather than looking at what's right in front of them. If she could have thwarted the interviewer's questions by answering it in that manner rather than to trying to answer from her perspective and her clouded nostalgia goggles then maybe that interview wouldn't have been so rage-worthy. I mean, what did the man have to do? Go out with baggy pants down to his knees w/his drawers showing? Did he have to go out there pistol whipping brothas' and getting arrested for it? Did he not have enough big booty video girls in his music videos? Should he have had been arrested for having illegal narcotics on him? Should he have walked around in a dashiki? All to prove that he was proud to be who he was born as? Would he have, truly, fared out better by acting as a walking stereotype for some?
/rant
I didn't mean to rant, but all this discussion of this album reminded me of this video.

[Edited 8/14/10 23:08pm]

nod

I've mentioned this a couple of times here but I'm gonna mention it again lol

One of my favorite current artists, Dam Funk said his biggest pet peeve was the comparison between Michael and Prince because Michael was more of an entertainer chasing hits (along with him saying he never plays Michael's music during his DJ nights)

and I really had to look at Michael's solo catalog and look at the state music was in when each album was released and the stories behind them and that statement doesn't ring true to me.

This may be the stan in me talking, but, Michael didn't chase hits, he just made them lol His music fit on radio and clubs of that time, but it also had it's own mark where it can be played years after. Even the first part of Dangerous heavily relying on the New Jack Swing sound, still felt different. It had that "Jackson Sound" as I like to call it. He would take a popular sound and do his own twist. Similar to Stevie in that respect that they could both take something new or current and twist it and make it theirs. The only time I feel Michael may have been "chasing" hits was Invincible, but even with that album, I can only think of maybe 6 songs that would have actually fit on the radio (Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Whatever Happens, You Rock My World, Invincible, Unbreakable)

and I definitely agree with you on the race issue. He never denied who he was and where he came from. In fact, he was more partial to his heritage. During Oprah's interview in 1993, she kept saying it was his first interview in 14 years and it makes you say what? because he had just done a huge interview with Ebony and Jet barely a year before lol In fact he had done several interviews with Ebony and Jet in those 14 years. He never strayed away from R&B either, always helped out black charities, was a huge supporter of BET (before and after the fuckery lol ) Ebony, Jet, and many black organizations

Katt Williams' commentary from a couple of years ago still irks me for those reasons you mentioned and I just stated neutral

I saw a skit that he did on MJ, and you've probably seen it, he was dissing him so bad that some people in the audience stopped laughing and the rest continued to laugh. This person, when you read the comments on YouTube called Katt Williams a leprechaun pimp because he had the green blazer and tie with his hair slicked back. If he didn't like MJ, fine but it didn't have to resort to this. The last I've heard about Katt Williams, he was in a mental institution. Is that right?

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Reply #408 posted 08/15/10 7:37am

angel345

suga10 said:

MyLuv229 said:

Do you mean metaphorical clowns? Dr. Klein, Faye, LaToya, other Jackson members... that Tatiana chick was clownish too

[Edited 8/14/10 18:48pm]

I can't stand Karen Faye. She's far from what you deem a professional, and always behaved like she owned Michael. lol She also was jealous of every woman who came near Michael.

And Tatiana was nuts too. She was pretty, she is too desperate. If Michael wanted her, he could have made his attempts.

[Edited 8/14/10 19:33pm]

Well, it does seem like some of the women he's encountered in his life becomes obsessed with him. I've kinda wonder why hmmm If you can follow a man all around the globe to be with him, then he must got it going on. You know who did this. I assume you do lol

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Reply #409 posted 08/15/10 12:24pm

alphastreet

some of us female fans are obsessed too and it's hard to get over it

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Reply #410 posted 08/15/10 12:25pm

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angel345 said:

bboy87 said:

nod

I've mentioned this a couple of times here but I'm gonna mention it again lol

One of my favorite current artists, Dam Funk said his biggest pet peeve was the comparison between Michael and Prince because Michael was more of an entertainer chasing hits (along with him saying he never plays Michael's music during his DJ nights)

and I really had to look at Michael's solo catalog and look at the state music was in when each album was released and the stories behind them and that statement doesn't ring true to me.

This may be the stan in me talking, but, Michael didn't chase hits, he just made them lol His music fit on radio and clubs of that time, but it also had it's own mark where it can be played years after. Even the first part of Dangerous heavily relying on the New Jack Swing sound, still felt different. It had that "Jackson Sound" as I like to call it. He would take a popular sound and do his own twist. Similar to Stevie in that respect that they could both take something new or current and twist it and make it theirs. The only time I feel Michael may have been "chasing" hits was Invincible, but even with that album, I can only think of maybe 6 songs that would have actually fit on the radio (Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Whatever Happens, You Rock My World, Invincible, Unbreakable)

and I definitely agree with you on the race issue. He never denied who he was and where he came from. In fact, he was more partial to his heritage. During Oprah's interview in 1993, she kept saying it was his first interview in 14 years and it makes you say what? because he had just done a huge interview with Ebony and Jet barely a year before lol In fact he had done several interviews with Ebony and Jet in those 14 years. He never strayed away from R&B either, always helped out black charities, was a huge supporter of BET (before and after the fuckery lol ) Ebony, Jet, and many black organizations

Katt Williams' commentary from a couple of years ago still irks me for those reasons you mentioned and I just stated neutral

I saw a skit that he did on MJ, and you've probably seen it, he was dissing him so bad that some people in the audience stopped laughing and the rest continued to laugh. This person, when you read the comments on YouTube called Katt Williams a leprechaun pimp because he had the green blazer and tie with his hair slicked back. If he didn't like MJ, fine but it didn't have to resort to this. The last I've heard about Katt Williams, he was in a mental institution. Is that right?

I just saw this a few minutes ago and I think it goes along well with this discussion.

YOU DON'T NEED A BUS PASS FOR ME TO BUS YOUR ASS,NIGGA !
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Reply #411 posted 08/15/10 12:33pm

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bboy87 said:

nod

I've mentioned this a couple of times here but I'm gonna mention it again lol

One of my favorite current artists, Dam Funk said his biggest pet peeve was the comparison between Michael and Prince because Michael was more of an entertainer chasing hits (along with him saying he never plays Michael's music during his DJ nights)

and I really had to look at Michael's solo catalog and look at the state music was in when each album was released and the stories behind them and that statement doesn't ring true to me.

This may be the stan in me talking, but, Michael didn't chase hits, he just made them lol His music fit on radio and clubs of that time, but it also had it's own mark where it can be played years after. Even the first part of Dangerous heavily relying on the New Jack Swing sound, still felt different. It had that "Jackson Sound" as I like to call it. He would take a popular sound and do his own twist. Similar to Stevie in that respect that they could both take something new or current and twist it and make it theirs. The only time I feel Michael may have been "chasing" hits was Invincible, but even with that album, I can only think of maybe 6 songs that would have actually fit on the radio (Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Whatever Happens, You Rock My World, Invincible, Unbreakable)

and I definitely agree with you on the race issue. He never denied who he was and where he came from. In fact, he was more partial to his heritage. During Oprah's interview in 1993, she kept saying it was his first interview in 14 years and it makes you say what? because he had just done a huge interview with Ebony and Jet barely a year before lol In fact he had done several interviews with Ebony and Jet in those 14 years. He never strayed away from R&B either, always helped out black charities, was a huge supporter of BET (before and after the fuckery lol ) Ebony, Jet, and many black organizations

Katt Williams' commentary from a couple of years ago still irks me for those reasons you mentioned and I just stated neutral

I saw a skit that he did on MJ, and you've probably seen it, he was dissing him so bad that some people in the audience stopped laughing and the rest continued to laugh. This person, when you read the comments on YouTube called Katt Williams a leprechaun pimp because he had the green blazer and tie with his hair slicked back. If he didn't like MJ, fine but it didn't have to resort to this. The last I've heard about Katt Williams, he was in a mental institution. Is that right?

I think he was evaluated at an institution, yes. That destroyed his entire show for me. I was gonna dig it but when he got into MJ, he ripped my heart apart. disbelief Especially with his ignorance towards vitiligo.

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Reply #412 posted 08/15/10 12:34pm

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angel345 said:

bboy87 said:

nod

I've mentioned this a couple of times here but I'm gonna mention it again lol

One of my favorite current artists, Dam Funk said his biggest pet peeve was the comparison between Michael and Prince because Michael was more of an entertainer chasing hits (along with him saying he never plays Michael's music during his DJ nights)

and I really had to look at Michael's solo catalog and look at the state music was in when each album was released and the stories behind them and that statement doesn't ring true to me.

This may be the stan in me talking, but, Michael didn't chase hits, he just made them lol His music fit on radio and clubs of that time, but it also had it's own mark where it can be played years after. Even the first part of Dangerous heavily relying on the New Jack Swing sound, still felt different. It had that "Jackson Sound" as I like to call it. He would take a popular sound and do his own twist. Similar to Stevie in that respect that they could both take something new or current and twist it and make it theirs. The only time I feel Michael may have been "chasing" hits was Invincible, but even with that album, I can only think of maybe 6 songs that would have actually fit on the radio (Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Whatever Happens, You Rock My World, Invincible, Unbreakable)

and I definitely agree with you on the race issue. He never denied who he was and where he came from. In fact, he was more partial to his heritage. During Oprah's interview in 1993, she kept saying it was his first interview in 14 years and it makes you say what? because he had just done a huge interview with Ebony and Jet barely a year before lol In fact he had done several interviews with Ebony and Jet in those 14 years. He never strayed away from R&B either, always helped out black charities, was a huge supporter of BET (before and after the fuckery lol ) Ebony, Jet, and many black organizations

Katt Williams' commentary from a couple of years ago still irks me for those reasons you mentioned and I just stated neutral

I saw a skit that he did on MJ, and you've probably seen it, he was dissing him so bad that some people in the audience stopped laughing and the rest continued to laugh. This person, when you read the comments on YouTube called Katt Williams a leprechaun pimp because he had the green blazer and tie with his hair slicked back. If he didn't like MJ, fine but it didn't have to resort to this. The last I've heard about Katt Williams, he was in a mental institution. Is that right?

I really don't like todays comedians, too rude, too brash and dishonest. By dishonest I mean I think they are willing to say anything for a laugh without any thought to situation or taste. I drove Cedric the Entertainer while he was in Seattle, you know what? I had nothing to say to him, I did go nuts for his bodyguard though, who was with my idol richard Pryor for many years.

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Reply #413 posted 08/15/10 12:39pm

alphastreet

Nice clip

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Reply #414 posted 08/15/10 1:19pm

suga10

Why is TMZ obessesd with MJ, unless he's alive or something lol

Remember they broke the news of his death 7 minutes before anyone else in the national media.

http://www.tmz.com/2010/04/30/michael-jackson-cirque-du-soleil-executive-producer-elvis-las-vegas/

MJ's Cirque Show -- The Elvis Connection


Some serious progress is being made on the Michael Jackson Cirque du Soleil project -- TMZ has learned two Executive Producers have been selected ... and one of 'em has a tie with Elvis.

The powers that be at Cirque have tapped one guy to run the permanent Vegas show and another guy to E.P. the traveling arena show.

One of the guys in charge of the show is Stephane Mongeau -- the same dude who oversaw that awesome Elvis-themed Cirque du Soleil show.

As we first reported, the tour will begin in the Fall of 2011 and travel throughout North America.


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Reply #415 posted 08/15/10 1:26pm

alphastreet

some fans say to watch out for tmz and he will be back, I'm tired of wondering and have just let it go....it's too painful and I'm all cried out and bitter now sad

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Reply #416 posted 08/15/10 1:36pm

suga10

alphastreet said:

some fans say to watch out for tmz and he will be back, I'm tired of wondering and have just let it go....it's too painful and I'm all cried out and bitter now sad

Keep the faith.

I think TMZ knows a lot about what going on with anything Michael Jackson wink That's why they talk about him still.

why isn't Dr Conrad Murray in jail at all? He is having the time of his life.

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Reply #417 posted 08/15/10 1:54pm

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I hate Conrad Murray. I only hope for the sake of justice - he has to suffer as much as

Michael's family, friends, and fans have had to these past years.

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Reply #418 posted 08/15/10 2:06pm

babybugz

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suga10 said:

alphastreet said:

some fans say to watch out for tmz and he will be back, I'm tired of wondering and have just let it go....it's too painful and I'm all cried out and bitter now sad

Keep the faith.

I think TMZ knows a lot about what going on with anything Michael Jackson wink That's why they talk about him still.

why isn't Dr Conrad Murray in jail at all? He is having the time of his life.

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He's having the time of his life because he knows nothing is going to happen to him , I could tell since day one unless they still got the case going on ? I stop keeping up.
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Reply #419 posted 08/15/10 2:08pm

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Timmy84 said:

HIStory took me two years to understand where Michael was coming from. By the time that Bashit documentary aired, I began listening to the album with new eyes and saw that this album was from a man who was obviously spilling his guts for everyone to see and folks still were pissing at him as if he wasn't human.

Probably his second best album at least top 3 I don't listen to it much though.
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