I bought a live-dvd of K&TG some years ago. It's a gig at the German tv-show Musik Laden. They do a great version of "Summer Madness",

and an extended funkjam of "Get Down On It", with their synthman performing a sizzling solo on a portable keyboard.

There's also a camera-topshot during the show where you see all the great vintage synthgear which they brought with them.

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To whom it may concern,

funk ain't slap bass. There's a lot of stuff out there faking the funk. Just because a song has some slap bass, don't make it funk! It may contain a funky bassline, but there must be a clear distinction. Funk is an attitude and a lifestyle. Funk is nasty, stanky and greasy. And as George Clinton said, "Funk is it's own reward".

^

Funk is definitely an attitude.

True that, though slapbass was still an ingredient added to the mix of funkhistory, by that dude in your avie lol

Shango said:

True that, though slapbass was still an ingredient added to the mix of funkhistory, by that dude in your avie lol

I think Larry added an ingredient to his "slap bass" that made it funky. So did Flea in a way during the early RHCP years. Some songs have slap bass but are missing many ingredients to make it a "funk" song.

vainandy said:

Uh...I don't give a damn what none of you motherfuckers say, I love "Celebration". It's one of my favorites from Kool and The Gang.

If you wanna talk some weak shit, lets talk about "Misled" and "Joanna". Now, that's some weak shit.

We will let you slide on that one.

I will pass on Celebration and Cherish. Just like Soul Alive and a couple of

others mentioned i do like Misled. It's one of their more underrated songs but

probably not meant for the funk crowd. Love the lead guitar in the song.

I always liked Joanna too. It's a good r&b record that happened to crossover

to pop. One of my favorite KTG records with JT nobody ever talks about is Street Kids.

vainandy said:

TonyVanDam said:

Excuse you, at least Misled has a rock guitar on the track. And I'm also a huge fan of the video (even if it is a rip-off of Thriller & Raiders Of The Lost Ark!).

Celebration is ther definitely mainstream pop classic, without question. But THAT track gets played to death too often by every business parties that is hosted by white folks. I rather play Jungle Boogie, Spirit Of The Boogie, Ladies Night, OR Get Down On It ahead of Celebration.

I think that rock guitar was the first thing to turn me off to the song because it was so obvious they were intentionally trying their absolutely damndest to crossover. "Tonight" had a rock guitar also but the song had a more danceable feel to it. "Misled" was up and down and all over the place. It went from slow to fast and from slow to fast.

Speaking of videos, I can't remember what the video for "Misled" looked like but I remember hating the way most 1980s black videos were made at the time. They would include a dancefloor full of mostly white people and some of the songs that had a dancefloor full of white people, the songs were completely unknown to the majority of white people in general. Then, they always would dress them in those damn leotards and leg warmers and have them doing those choreographed, sissy looking leaping and toe pointing dances. They looked like they were in rehearsal gear rehearsing for a ballet or a broadway show or something. This was definately not a true depiction of where a lot of these songs were played at the time. A lot of them were played in black clubs and skating rinks and there sure as hell wasn't no damn leotards, leg warmers, leaping, and toe pointing in those places. If someone had come in there with that shit on dancing those dances, they would have gotten their ass beat.

Misled (the video) is about JT waking up from having a nightmare concerning an incident that happen many years earlier invoiving an ancient artifact that JT (a little boy at the time) and this old man (Indiana Jones-wannabe) were searching for. The very white female deity known as Misled is awaken and JT ran out of fear while the old man stay long enough for Misled to give him the artifact.

Meanwhile in the present (1984) Misled has return to seek the now adult JT to remind him of some unfinished business concerning the artifact. Later on in the video, there was a flashback on how the young JT successfully escape the Middie East (?) with the artifact without the old man who beaten to death by a mob that were also looking for the artifact.

Just so you know, the rest of Kool & The Gang are also in the video playing the roles of masked cult members that are just there as Misled's backing dancers. Nonetheless, THIS is one of the best awesomely bad videos that is so fun to watch considering that Misled (the video) was suppose to be for Kool & The Gang what Thriller was for Michael Jackson.

Timmy84 said:

Shango said:

True that, though slapbass was still an ingredient added to the mix of funkhistory, by that dude in your avie lol

I think Larry added an ingredient to his "slap bass" that made it funky. So did Flea in a way during the early RHCP years. Some songs have slap bass but are missing many ingredients to make it a "funk" song.

Flea didn't add shit. By the time RHCP got popular, slap bass was out the door. Flea didn't bring anything new to the game that wasn't already there. Whites just started to pay attention to it because they were the first mainstream artists to be known for doing "funk". Now Mark King of Level 42 took the game up a notch, but not within the spectrum of pop music.

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BlaqueKnight said:

Timmy84 said:

I think Larry added an ingredient to his "slap bass" that made it funky. So did Flea in a way during the early RHCP years. Some songs have slap bass but are missing many ingredients to make it a "funk" song.

Flea didn't add shit. By the time RHCP got popular, slap bass was out the door. Flea didn't bring anything new to the game that wasn't already there. Whites just started to pay attention to it because they were the first mainstream artists to be known for doing "funk". Now Mark King of Level 42 took the game up a notch, but not within the spectrum of pop music.

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Flea may not of added anything but he sure as hell kept the tradition alive.

Flea is a supreme bassist and to question his funk credentials is plain retarded.

Timmy84 said:

^

Funk is definitely an attitude.

An attitude a whole bunch of motherfuckers in here don't have

phunkdaddy said:

One of my favorite KTG records with JT nobody ever talks about is Street Kids.

I have 'As One' on CD.It's a mysterious,forgotten Kool and The Gang album that nobody ever mentions.It was released in 1982 but quickly disappeared.Sandwiched between two blockbuster albums----1981's 'Something Special' and 1983's 'In The Heart---it barely went gold."Let's Go Dancing (Ooh La La La)" did OK as a single,though.

Shango said:

vainandy said:

I don't think funk ever recovered, at least not the kind of funk I was looking for anyway. I remember in the 1990s, there was groups like Brand New Heavies and Jamiroquai but they had a more early 1970s sound and hints of jazz in their music which was definately not what I wanted. When Jamiroquai sped things up the 2000s and started going towards a faster, more "disco" tempo and feel, that's when I started loving their music but I hated their 1990s stuff. It was too jazzy or "artsy" sounding for me.

You didn't dig ^this^ one though ? ... got some phat slapbass in the mix

I love Jamiroquai.I like their approach to making music.Unlike most modern-day R&B artists,they act as if hip-hop never happened They're making music like we're still in 1978 and that's okay with me.

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

I have 'As One' on CD.It's a mysterious,forgotten Kool and The Gang album that nobody ever mentions.It was released in 1982 but quickly disappeared.Sandwiched between two blockbuster albums----1981's 'Something Special' and 1983's 'In The Heart---it barely went gold."Let's Go Dancing (Ooh La La La)" did OK as a single,though.

I can't forget Let's Go Dancing. That was on the radio damn near every morning i

got ready for school.

Yeah it's odd that it was the only big single off the album. Street Kids, Big Fun,

and Hi De Hi Hi De Ho were all tight songs. I'm not sure if Street Kids was a

single or not but it got some airplay. I know the latter two were singles.

minneapolisFunq said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Flea didn't add shit. By the time RHCP got popular, slap bass was out the door. Flea didn't bring anything new to the game that wasn't already there. Whites just started to pay attention to it because they were the first mainstream artists to be known for doing "funk". Now Mark King of Level 42 took the game up a notch, but not within the spectrum of pop music.

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Flea may not of added anything but he sure as hell kept the tradition alive.

Flea is a supreme bassist and to question his funk credentials is plain retarded.

Who is questioning RHCP's funk credentials? They were produced by George Clinton.

That is not what I said. Now please explain to me what you think Flea added to funk bass that Louis Johnson, Aaron Mills, Stanley Clarke, Dexter Redding, Marcus Miller, Buddy Hankerson, Mark Adams, James Jamerson, Nathan Phillips, and many, many others hadn't already done before him? I won't even mention Bootsy or Larry. What's retatrded is trying to place RHCP in the same time frame and then trying to imply that they were even remotely close to impacting a genre that peaked in the mid-70s and was on the downswing just as they were getting started.

I swear sometimes I feel like Sly Stallone in Demolition Man talking to Sandra Bullock.

Its like tring to say that cell phones strongly impacted the communications industry in the mid 70s. Why even bother.

I feel like Antoine Dodson right now

You are so dumb, you are really dumb! For real!

YOU said it yourself.

Flea helped xpose the slap bass technique to a wider(whiter) audience than any of those artists you mentioned.

Flea has a unique technique that combines influences from different genres including punk, funk, and rock.

To say he didn't have any impact is another fucking fail on your behalf

BlaqueKnight said:

Timmy84 said:

I think Larry added an ingredient to his "slap bass" that made it funky. So did Flea in a way during the early RHCP years. Some songs have slap bass but are missing many ingredients to make it a "funk" song.

Flea didn't add shit. By the time RHCP got popular, slap bass was out the door. Flea didn't bring anything new to the game that wasn't already there. Whites just started to pay attention to it because they were the first mainstream artists to be known for doing "funk". Now Mark King of Level 42 took the game up a notch, but not within the spectrum of pop music.

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I think Mark King is better than Flea. But that's just me of course.

And if we're going to have a massive argument about white funk bass players, let discuss Tina Weymouth (Talking Head/Tom Tom Club) & Richard Finch (KC & The Sunshine Band) while we at it.

vainandy said:

Funk was a genre full of rhythm. At the risk of stereotyping, most white people have not liked music that was extremely rhythmic. Some do, but most don't. That's why a genre like shit hop could do so well in the pop market.

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Total nonsense. You are on this message board so you clearly think Prince has something to do with funk. Let me axe you this: Who exactly do you think bought Prince records in overwhelming numbers back when he actually sold albums, blacks? Hardly. Every single black person I know, bar none, thinks Prince is weird and they don't like his music. Of course that's not the case with everyone, but if you make a general statement you'll get a general rebuttal.

White people don't like rhythmic music? What is "Shit Hop" to you? It's nothing but rhythm. There's nothing to it but drums and talking. You can't get any closer to rhythmic music than that.

Funk is shit. It's time for something new. Funk is rhythmically exciting and harmonically bland. It's about a repeating vamp and a beat. It doesn't get any more basic than that. It feels good, but it's old news. We need rhythm AND harmony. I'm not talking about singing, either. I'm talking about melody and chords. Africa gave us rhythm, Europe gave us harmony. Put the 2 together and let's fucking think AND feel at the same time.

Children...

steakfinger said:

vainandy said:

Funk was a genre full of rhythm. At the risk of stereotyping, most white people have not liked music that was extremely rhythmic. Some do, but most don't. That's why a genre like shit hop could do so well in the pop market.

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[Edited 8/4/10 14:38pm]

Total nonsense. You are on this message board so you clearly think Prince has something to do with funk. Let me axe you this: Who exactly do you think bought Prince records in overwhelming numbers back when he actually sold albums, blacks? Hardly. Every single black person I know, bar none, thinks Prince is weird and they don't like his music. Of course that's not the case with everyone, but if you make a general statement you'll get a general rebuttal.

White people don't like rhythmic music? What is "Shit Hop" to you? It's nothing but rhythm. There's nothing to it but drums and talking. You can't get any closer to rhythmic music than that.

Funk is shit. It's time for something new. Funk is rhythmically exciting and harmonically bland. It's about a repeating vamp and a beat. It doesn't get any more basic than that. It feels good, but it's old news. We need rhythm AND harmony. I'm not talking about singing, either. I'm talking about melody and chords. Africa gave us rhythm, Europe gave us harmony. Put the 2 together and let's fucking think AND feel at the same time.

Children...

"You are so dumb. You are really dumb. for real"

Ah we have a Sir Nose D'VoidOFunk in here.

Starchildren, let's whip it to him!

minneapolisFunq said:

I feel like Antoine Dodson right now

You are so dumb, you are really dumb! For real!

YOU said it yourself.

Flea helped xpose the slap bass technique to a wider(whiter) audience than any of those artists you mentioned.

Flea has a unique technique that combines influences from different genres including punk, funk, and rock.

To say he didn't have any impact is another fucking fail on your behalf

You seem to have 0 reading comprehension skills.

You can't "wish" Flea into impacting an era that he wasn't relevant in.

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BlaqueKnight said:

minneapolisFunq said:

I feel like Antoine Dodson right now

You are so dumb, you are really dumb! For real!

YOU said it yourself.

Flea helped xpose the slap bass technique to a wider(whiter) audience than any of those artists you mentioned.

Flea has a unique technique that combines influences from different genres including punk, funk, and rock.

To say he didn't have any impact is another fucking fail on your behalf

You seem to have 0 reading comprehension skills.

I said Flea didn't add anything new as in he didn't add anything new in terms of technique. His style was not new nor was it unique.

I didn't say "He had no impact" because as you stated, I explained the extent of his contribution but that is concerning EXPOSURE, not PLAYING. You can't seem to keep up.

Larry Grahm added something new. Jaco Pastorius added something. Victor Wooten added something. Louis Johnson changed the style of thumping. James Jamerson changed the style of "rolling" or fingered bass playing. Bootsy added the "pull" technique. Flea simply took what had already been done and did it. That doesn't detract from his playing. You can't seem to not get emotional about every little thing.

Regardless, the genre of funk was all but DONE by the time RHCP came out, so he didn't bring anything to the table as far as the genre was concerned. That's like saying Madonna contributed heavily to disco. Yeah, 15 years after disco was dead. So did she contribute heavily to disco? NO. Same goes for RHCP.

You can't rewrite history to suit your own personal preferences.

And you're embarrassing yourself acting like a schoolgirl in every post. Didn't your momma teach you any manners?

And you can't strawman an argument with me, so you really need to quit trying to twist my posts. Its a waste.

You can't "wish" Flea into impacting an era that he wasn't relevant in.

RHCP first released an album in 1984.

U may not have liked it, but FUNK was still alive during this time.

Flea has a hybrid technique, he fused genre's in a way that has never been seen before.

Your bias is your downfall.

You can't contribute to something because it isn't relevant? what sense does that make?

Flea laid some of the groundwork for the future of funk, which is the basis of this thread.

He expanded the popular belief of what a bassist should be.

Talking about manners?

U came at me and I responded

You have taken swipes at me subliminally in the past and now you finally mustered up the courage to address me personally.

U started it, deal with it.

btw, id rather look like a schoolgirl than a salty ass old man

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive said:

I have 'As One' on CD.It's a mysterious,forgotten Kool and The Gang album that nobody ever mentions.It was released in 1982 but quickly disappeared.Sandwiched between two blockbuster albums----1981's 'Something Special' and 1983's 'In The Heart---it barely went gold."Let's Go Dancing (Ooh La La La)" did OK as a single,though.

I can't forget Let's Go Dancing. That was on the radio damn near every morning i

got ready for school.

Yeah it's odd that it was the only big single off the album. Street Kids, Big Fun,

and Hi De Hi Hi De Ho were all tight songs. I'm not sure if Street Kids was a

single or not but it got some airplay. I know the latter two were singles.

I haven't played this CD in years.I'll have to pull it out again and check out those songs you mentioned."Big Fun" was the first single,but it disappeared quickly.

minneapolisFunq said:

RHCP first released an album in 1984.

Which was not a funk album. It wasn't until 1985 when they actually had ANYTHING that got any realistic airplay and even then it certainly wasn't on R&B stations. The only reason "freaky Styley" got mentioned at all was because George and most of P-Funk played on it with them and even George himself wasn't doing to great in 85.

They didn't really pop off until Mother's Milk in 89 with their cover of STEVIE WONDER'S "Higher Ground". To be honest, their first REAL song that gave them an identity was "Give It Away" in like '91. Stars didn't happen overnight like they do now. In 1985, funk as a genre was pretty much dead even though people were still using elements of funk in their music. People were jamming to Prince, Sheila, Cheryl Lynn, Ray Parker Jr, Tina Turner, Peabo Bryson, Freddie Jackson, The Pointer Sisters, Rockwell had Somebody's Watching Me, the Jacksons had State Of Shock...nobody was checking for Red Hot Chili Peppers. You are way off base.

U may not have liked it, but FUNK was still alive during this time.

Oh yeah. Blaqueknight, the funk hater. I've been on this board since it was black with purple letters, preaching about the funk. You are wet behind the ears and embarrassing yourself with every sentence. Many of the vets on here are laughing at you and wondering why I haven't chewed you up before now. I've been letting you hang yourself. Please continue. You amuse me.

Flea has a hybrid technique, he fused genre's in a way that has never been seen before.

Bullshit. No he doesn't.

Your bias is your downfall.

Your lack of knowledge is yours.

You can't contribute to something because it isn't relevant? what sense does that make?

You are making up shit. You are pulling it out of your ass. Several other posters have stated FACTS about the era because they actually know what was going on and they know what was being played. Even in disagreement, they post facts. You wallow in your ignorance, displace artists and their impact and just plain get shit WRONG. Funk changed from the late 60s to the late 70s but by the id 80s it was pretty much DONE as a genre. You keep pretending like it wasn't and everybody who was actually around back then is laughing at you because we all know what was actually being played back then. WE WERE THERE.

Flea laid some of the groundwork for the future of funk, which is the basis of this thread.

With this statement, you have lost all credibility.

He expanded the popular belief of what a bassist should be.

WFT does this even mean? HA! There were a thousand great bassists before him. I guess they didn't count?

Talking about manners?

U came at me and I responded

You have taken swipes at me subliminally in the past and now you finally mustered up the courage to address me personally.

U started it, deal with it.

There you go again with this nonesense. If I addressed something you posted and you took it personally...oh well. Believe me, I don't care enough about you to care what you think. All of this internet tough guy talk is bullshit. Guys like you talk tough online but never bring it on in real life. I do, so this little internet shit-talk-fest ain't phasing me. You need to brush up on your music history intead of trying to be Bobby badass online.

btw, id rather look like a schoolgirl than a salty ass old man

Its funny that you call me old and yet I'm considerably younger than the artist who's site you are on. I'd hate to see what you would call Prince.

Just give it a rest, man. You are out of your league. Next time, come with some facts, please.

Rather than cuss you out like I could have easily done, I'm actually trying to school you. You need it. Its been a long time since anybody has been this wrong about a whole genre of music on here.

This is just laughable

You have some crazy egotistical issues

"The Red Hot Chili Peppers" was not a 'funk' album, but it contained elements of funk music. (just as you stated regarding everything else during that time period)

(same goes 4FreakyStyley)

^

can't tell me that track isn't funky, Flea is ripping shit up. Keep in mind that there was no input from GC on this/

Personally I think GC still had some flavors left, RnB skeletons in the closet was solid. (1986)

.....

How can you say that Flea doesn't have an original bass technique? The lack of knowledge you mentioned seems to apply to yourself as well.

Again

You were there? ohhh, sorry.....

Lol who gives a flying fuck, you are SO lame.

I can still listen to the music from that era, what difference does it make?

You try and act like I don't acknowledge the fact that the musical landscape was changing, Funk was still in production all throughout the 80s. Just because YOU don't like 80s Funk and YOU don't consider it 'real' doesn't mean that it wasn't there. How many times have I made this point? Your bias is your downfall. I enjoy all types of Funk. I can understand why you don't like the more modernized poppish sound of the mid-late 80s but to criticize my opinion and say' i'm wet behind the ears' because of my preferred style is nothing more than a blatantly one-sided opinion.

Hmm, I don't think I was very 'credible' from your standpoint to begin with, whats new?

Flea let people of different genres know that you can keep it funky without comprimising whatever sound you were originally shooting for.

It's a generalization, but a lot of people never really heard/got into bass until they heard Flea ripping it up, like it or not.

I wouldn't say that he is the reason why I like Bass, but I saw the Chili Peppers in 1998 and it kind of changed my perspective. It subconsciously planted the seed in the back of my mind.

From a mainstream standpoint, I can't think of another Bassist who has had the same level of recognition. Of course it would be a lot different if more 'black' music was given a chance on pop radio back in the days.

You may disagree, but I don't think its that big of a stretch to write what I did. He helped lay the foundation for future funkateers. (*helped, he isn't solely responsible by any means, I was using him as an example and this shit got blown out of proportion)

(with all that said I don't know if I would consider him my favorite (funk)bassist, he is up there though)

You can deny it all you want, but we both know whats good. You can use a cop-out such as "if the shoe fits, wear it", but that doesn't really work when you purposely threw something out ust to mess with me.

You can cut the pretentious act

You adressed me, I responded. It's that simple.

I agreed with one of your posts and it lead to this current debate.

U really shouldn't be crying about getting disrespected on the internet, you may not be 'old' but i'm not a 'kid' either.

I never mentioned anything about a physical altercation, why are you insinuating that I would be afraid to have a conversation about music in person?

You are out of MY league if you are getting angered to the point of violence due to my posts.

I'm always defending my personal interests, I used to think that we as Funk enthusiasts would get along well but I was completely wrong. (not just U)

steakfinger said:

vainandy said:

Funk was a genre full of rhythm. At the risk of stereotyping, most white people have not liked music that was extremely rhythmic. Some do, but most don't. That's why a genre like shit hop could do so well in the pop market.

Total nonsense. You are on this message board so you clearly think Prince has something to do with funk. Let me axe you this: Who exactly do you think bought Prince records in overwhelming numbers back when he actually sold albums, blacks? Hardly. Every single black person I know, bar none, thinks Prince is weird and they don't like his music. Of course that's not the case with everyone, but if you make a general statement you'll get a general rebuttal.

White people don't like rhythmic music? What is "Shit Hop" to you? It's nothing but rhythm. There's nothing to it but drums and talking. You can't get any closer to rhythmic music than that.

Funk is shit. It's time for something new. Funk is rhythmically exciting and harmonically bland. It's about a repeating vamp and a beat. It doesn't get any more basic than that. It feels good, but it's old news. We need rhythm AND harmony. I'm not talking about singing, either. I'm talking about melody and chords. Africa gave us rhythm, Europe gave us harmony. Put the 2 together and let's fucking think AND feel at the same time.

Children...

SoulAlive said:

steakfinger said:

Total nonsense. You are on this message board so you clearly think Prince has something to do with funk. Let me axe you this: Who exactly do you think bought Prince records in overwhelming numbers back when he actually sold albums, blacks? Hardly. Every single black person I know, bar none, thinks Prince is weird and they don't like his music. Of course that's not the case with everyone, but if you make a general statement you'll get a general rebuttal.

White people don't like rhythmic music? What is "Shit Hop" to you? It's nothing but rhythm. There's nothing to it but drums and talking. You can't get any closer to rhythmic music than that.

Funk is shit. It's time for something new. Funk is rhythmically exciting and harmonically bland. It's about a repeating vamp and a beat. It doesn't get any more basic than that. It feels good, but it's old news. We need rhythm AND harmony. I'm not talking about singing, either. I'm talking about melody and chords. Africa gave us rhythm, Europe gave us harmony. Put the 2 together and let's fucking think AND feel at the same time.

Children...

Wow. I know you qualified it, but if I polled 10 random black people within my age group, based on past experience, the results would be as follows:

2 out of 10 would tell me they grew up fans of Prince's early work, then he lost them after Purple Rain or ATWIAD.

3 out of 10 would claim to adore much or most, if not all, of his work.

2 would tell me they respect him and think he's had a few jams (or slow jams) that will keep the party going.

3 will tell me what every single black person, bar none, told you.

And those are conservative estimates.

The whites made up much of Prince's "platinum firewall" in the 80's when most everything he made went platinum (at or after year of release) regardless of how it was received by the larger audiences. But loyal black fans were a bigger part of that firewall too. I wouldn't underestimate his black following over time if I were you.

No one can sell as many records as Prince did without strong "majority" support, but still.

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Shango said:

vainandy said:

I don't think funk ever recovered, at least not the kind of funk I was looking for anyway. I remember in the 1990s, there was groups like Brand New Heavies and Jamiroquai but they had a more early 1970s sound and hints of jazz in their music which was definately not what I wanted. When Jamiroquai sped things up the 2000s and started going towards a faster, more "disco" tempo and feel, that's when I started loving their music but I hated their 1990s stuff. It was too jazzy or "artsy" sounding for me.

You didn't dig ^this^ one though ? ... got some phat slapbass in the mix

Man, do they ever miss Stewart Zender. His work on several early Jamiroquai tracks, including one of my favs, "Mr. Moon," was a joy to behold.

minneapolisFunq said:

This is just laughable

You have some crazy egotistical issues

"The Red Hot Chili Peppers" was not a 'funk' album, but it contained elements of funk music. (just as you stated regarding everything else during that time period)

(same goes 4FreakyStyley)

^

can't tell me that track isn't funky, Flea is ripping shit up. Keep in mind that there was no input from GC on this/

Personally I think GC still had some flavors left, RnB skeletons in the closet was solid. (1986)

.....

How can you say that Flea doesn't have an original bass technique? The lack of knowledge you mentioned seems to apply to yourself as well.

Again

You were there? ohhh, sorry.....

Lol who gives a flying fuck, you are SO lame.

I can still listen to the music from that era, what difference does it make?

You try and act like I don't acknowledge the fact that the musical landscape was changing, Funk was still in production all throughout the 80s. Just because YOU don't like 80s Funk and YOU don't consider it 'real' doesn't mean that it wasn't there. How many times have I made this point? Your bias is your downfall. I enjoy all types of Funk. I can understand why you don't like the more modernized poppish sound of the mid-late 80s but to criticize my opinion and say' i'm wet behind the ears' because of my preferred style is nothing more than a blatantly one-sided opinion.

Hmm, I don't think I was very 'credible' from your standpoint to begin with, whats new?

Flea let people of different genres know that you can keep it funky without comprimising whatever sound you were originally shooting for.

It's a generalization, but a lot of people never really heard/got into bass until they heard Flea ripping it up, like it or not.

I wouldn't say that he is the reason why I like Bass, but I saw the Chili Peppers in 1998 and it kind of changed my perspective. It subconsciously planted the seed in the back of my mind.

From a mainstream standpoint, I can't think of another Bassist who has had the same level of recognition. Of course it would be a lot different if more 'black' music was given a chance on pop radio back in the days.

You may disagree, but I don't think its that big of a stretch to write what I did. He helped lay the foundation for future funkateers. (*helped, he isn't solely responsible by any means, I was using him as an example and this shit got blown out of proportion)

(with all that said I don't know if I would consider him my favorite (funk)bassist, he is up there though)

You can deny it all you want, but we both know whats good. You can use a cop-out such as "if the shoe fits, wear it", but that doesn't really work when you purposely threw something out ust to mess with me.

You can cut the pretentious act

You adressed me, I responded. It's that simple.

I agreed with one of your posts and it lead to this current debate.

U really shouldn't be crying about getting disrespected on the internet, you may not be 'old' but i'm not a 'kid' either.

I never mentioned anything about a physical altercation, why are you insinuating that I would be afraid to have a conversation about music in person?

You are out of MY league if you are getting angered to the point of violence due to my posts.

I'm always defending my personal interests, I used to think that we as Funk enthusiasts would get along well but I was completely wrong. (not just U)

I think RHCP are not influential in funk, they are influential in rock for incorporating funk & rapping at a time when not too many other people were.

They were not creating new funk sounds, they were carrying the baton to a new group of people (like me) who were not familiar with Parliament Funkadelic yet (even though it happened years before).

It is similar to Stevie Ray Vaughn--he was not creating something new in blues, he was incorporating blues into rock and bringing it to a mass audience, and doing it well enough that the old blues masters took note and appreciated his skill--like any funk artist could appreciate that Flea is a skilled bass player.

namepeace said:

SoulAlive said:

Wow. I know you qualified it, but if I polled 10 random black people within my age group, based on past experience, the results would be as follows:

2 out of 10 would tell me they grew up fans of Prince's early work, then he lost them after Purple Rain or ATWIAD.

3 out of 10 would claim to adore much or most, if not all, of his work.

2 would tell me they respect him and think he's had a few jams (or slow jams) that will keep the party going.

3 will tell me what every single black person, bar none, told you.

And those are conservative estimates.

The whites made up much of Prince's "platinum firewall" in the 80's when most everything he made went platinum (at or after year of release) regardless of how it was received by the larger audiences. But loyal black fans were a bigger part of that firewall too. I wouldn't underestimate his black following over time if I were you.

No one can sell as many records as Prince did without strong "majority" support, but still.

[Edited 8/11/10 12:54pm]

I don't underestimate his black audience at all, I was being facetious towards the knucklehead who started this thread. I qualified it jokingly in response to his qualifying remark of "At the risk of stereotyping...". Rhythm and the enjoyment thereof has absolutely NOTHING to do with race and it's extremely offensive to suggest otherwise. It's about culture and where/when you grew up. I was using sarcasm to illustrate the totally idiocy of the original poster's claim. What I said is as silly as his, except I was aware of my remarks sounding ignorant. White people don't like rhythm. Good lord, man. Really?

Incidentally, I wouldn't presume I'm white.