minneapolisFunq said:

TonyVanDam said:

Have you ever even heard F*** Tha Police?

F*** Tha Poice was political. And I did say N.W.A. had that edge when Ice Cube was WITH then. And speaking of positive, Express Yourself was a positive song with Dr. Dre on lead vocals.

Now N.W.A. without Ice Cube was only pure shock value AND a self-parody. Nigga4life is one of those album that might have been funny back in the days, but shameful these days.

I stand by my previous statements.

NWA is garbage and dont get me started on 2livecrew.

I notice that you weren't born until after 1988 (correct if I'm wrong).

But my favorite hip-hop/rap era is 88-93. There were plenty of rap groups at the time. But N.W.A., Public Enemy, 2 Live Crew, & Salt-N-Pepa were played a lot in my teen years. Then again, we had options. If gangsta rap wasn't your cup of tea, you still had many other types of rap to choose from. I miss those days.

I feel bad for today's generation of rap fans that seems to not have enough options of what they can listen to. How far underground can they go to find what they want?

TonyVanDam said:

minneapolisFunq said:

I stand by my previous statements.

NWA is garbage and dont get me started on 2livecrew.

I notice that you weren't born until after 1988 (correct if I'm wrong).

But my favorite hip-hop/rap era is 88-93. There were plenty of rap groups at the time. But N.W.A., Public Enemy, 2 Live Crew, & Salt-N-Pepa were played a lot in my teen years. Then again, we had options. If gangsta rap wasn't your cup of tea, you still had many other types of rap to choose from. I miss those days.

I feel bad for today's generation of rap fans that seems to not have enough options of what they can listen to. How far underground can they go to find what they want?

I was born in 1991. But anyway, the way the music industry is nowadays, the options of getting good music is very low. I just stick to Kanye now (and sometimes Ludacris).

NastradumasKid said:

I don't like neither one of them. SB is just lame and Weezy is just overrated, I remember when the guy was in Hot Boys for gods sakes (and even then, that shit was crappy )

But, even I hate it when people blame those two for ruining hip hop. Some of yall must have forgotten the following D4L, Dem Franchise Boyz, Lil John and The EastSide Boys....

Oh and let's not forget the asshole of all assholes...Diddy.

If you're going to blame someone, blame these jerks, (especially the first two for giving birth to Soulija Bitch) for ruining hip hop.

And Hell I'll even go as far as to saying NWA and 2LiveCrew kind of ruined it also.

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When that style of music went mainstream it did .. there were always rappers that were good for catchy records but not taken seriously . When everybody started doing that style of "hip hop" it didn't help.

babybugz said:

NastradumasKid said:

I don't like neither one of them. SB is just lame and Weezy is just overrated, I remember when the guy was in Hot Boys for gods sakes (and even then, that shit was crappy )

But, even I hate it when people blame those two for ruining hip hop. Some of yall must have forgotten the following D4L, Dem Franchise Boyz, Lil John and The EastSide Boys....

Oh and let's not forget the asshole of all assholes...Diddy.

If you're going to blame someone, blame these jerks, (especially the first two for giving birth to Soulija Bitch) for ruining hip hop.

And Hell I'll even go as far as to saying NWA and 2LiveCrew kind of ruined it also.

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When that style of music went mainstream it did .. there were always rappers that were good for catchy records but not taken seriously . When everybody started doing that style of "hip hop" it didn't help.

But they're one of the reasons we have Soulija Boi. But as much as I can't stand SB and Wayne, I really do get sick and tired of people always blaming them for ruining Hip Hop (although those two REALLY didn't make it any better), when it was already becoming crappy before than. When songs like "White-T" came along, I really wanted to stop listening to rap. When songs like "Chicken Noddle Soup" came out, and the fact that it came from NY, I was like WTF???!!!!

NastradumasKid said:

TonyVanDam said:

I notice that you weren't born until after 1988 (correct if I'm wrong).

But my favorite hip-hop/rap era is 88-93. There were plenty of rap groups at the time. But N.W.A., Public Enemy, 2 Live Crew, & Salt-N-Pepa were played a lot in my teen years. Then again, we had options. If gangsta rap wasn't your cup of tea, you still had many other types of rap to choose from. I miss those days.

I feel bad for today's generation of rap fans that seems to not have enough options of what they can listen to. How far underground can they go to find what they want?

I was born in 1991. But anyway, the way the music industry is nowadays, the options of getting good music is very low. I just stick to Kanye now (and sometimes Ludacris).

Any hip-hop track from 1994-present, I'm very picky. Nas has yet to release a worth follow-up to Stillmatic. Jay-Z (despite that he can NOT be trusted these days) only impressed me with Vol.2: Hard Knock Life & The Black Album. Busta Rhyme has lost his way years ago. Snoop Dogg is still active, but his singles are better than his albums. Dr. Dre has yet to release Detox.

I never thought I say this, but sometimes I miss No Limit Records.

NastradumasKid said:

babybugz said:

When that style of music went mainstream it did .. there were always rappers that were good for catchy records but not taken seriously . When everybody started doing that style of "hip hop" it didn't help.

But they're one of the reasons we have Soulija Boi. But as much as I can't stand SB and Wayne, I really do get sick and tired of people always blaming them for ruining Hip Hop (although those two REALLY didn't make it any better), when it was already becoming crappy before than. When songs like "White-T" came along, I really wanted to stop listening to rap. When songs like "Chicken Noddle Soup" came out, and the fact that it came from NY, I was like WTF???!!!!

I’m not ashamed to admit I liked crank dat lol but I don’t think it was fair at that time when everyone was blaming soulja boy for destroying hip hop in 2007.Most of them was mad he blew up at the time with a B.S song and couldn’t deal with it. He’s only relevant on the internet now (or a 106 & park countdown LOL)he’s not even a mention in the music industry now I honestly didn't see those songs any different from what fresh prince and kid n play was doing back in the day(of course they are way better than these songs but just using a example) .. hell Nelly made a whole career out of that .

TonyVanDam said:

NastradumasKid said:

I was born in 1991. But anyway, the way the music industry is nowadays, the options of getting good music is very low. I just stick to Kanye now (and sometimes Ludacris).

Any hip-hop track from 1994-present, I'm very picky. Nas has yet to release a worth follow-up to Stillmatic. Jay-Z (despite that he can NOT be trusted these days) only impressed me with Vol.2: Hard Knock Life & The Black Album. Busta Rhyme has lost his way years ago. Snoop Dogg is still active, but his singles are better than his albums. Dr. Dre has yet to release Detox.

I never thought I say this, but sometimes I miss No Limit Records.

Yeah, I'm only 20 but what does that have to do with my opinion on hiphop?

Looking at things from a different perspective it really makes no sense for us to be complaining about hiphop because like you said, we have other options and arent limited to one sub-genre of rap.

You can get your Autotuned Lil Wayne or keepit old school with some Organized Konfusion with a click of the mouse.

Luckily Hiphop is still in full swing, there is still good stuff out there to look forward to, its just not as plentiful as it once was.

"Money" being the ONLY objective ruined hip hop,,,,and the rest of mainstream music.

TonyVanDam said:

vainandy said:

No, Dr. Dre did in the early 1990s by making the boring slow shit mainstream.

Doing it slow may make it more intense but you can't reach that feeling if you never get it hard. And ain't nothing hard about those soft pounding drum machines. Shit hop is like impotence.

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Harlepolis said:

"Money" being the ONLY objective ruined hip hop,,,,and the rest of mainstream music.

That's true. Trying to reach the widest audience possible in order to make the most money definately weakens the product. I can think of a certain little barbie doll that was well known for that back in the mid 1980s.

TonyVanDam said:

NastradumasKid said:

I was born in 1991. But anyway, the way the music industry is nowadays, the options of getting good music is very low. I just stick to Kanye now (and sometimes Ludacris).

Any hip-hop track from 1994-present, I'm very picky. Nas has yet to release a worth follow-up to Stillmatic. Jay-Z (despite that he can NOT be trusted these days) only impressed me with Vol.2: Hard Knock Life & The Black Album. Busta Rhyme has lost his way years ago. Snoop Dogg is still active, but his singles are better than his albums. Dr. Dre has yet to release Detox.

I never thought I say this, but sometimes I miss No Limit Records.

Nas's N***er was actually better than Hip Hop is Dead and Street Disciples combined. Jay-z, I already know your hatre towards him , should have just stayed retired, Busta, now that I agree, Snoop hasn't had a real good song in a long time, and Dre is never going to release that album he promised, I don't know why people still hoping for it, it's been how long? 11 years? Really? It takes that long to make an album.

And another thing, I hate when people always blame the South for ruining Hip Hop and that wasn't even the case. Some people must have never heard of OutKast (before they went all mainstream), YoungBloodz, Goodie Mob, and Trick Daddy. I guess nevermind these guys.

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lol@ trick daddy

Trick luv da kids

No Limit Records? At this point, I rather be listening to some artists, who isn't Lil Wayne, from Cash Money records, during the 90s.

minneapolisFunq said:

lol@ trick daddy

Trick luv da kids

What? I like him and he really isn't that bad.

dont blame it on them honey it was toasted be4 they even came on the show it was ruined 2 days after it started

NastradumasKid said:

minneapolisFunq said:

lol@ trick daddy

Trick luv da kids

What? I like him and he really isn't that bad.

Baby cuz im a thug!

I bought "thug holiday" because I liked the single "in the wind" and was very disappointed with the rest of the album.

although I was only like 13 I dont think my opinion would change if I heard it again today.

paisleypark4 said:

[img:$uid]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cVKJpfYWBfc/RlDtb-HzVDI/AAAAAAAAAEM/yCPFIn-ln00/s400/MasterP.jpg[/img:$uid] To me..this was pt. 2 of the end of mainstream hip hop

Well, I do think he kind of sucks. But I did like that song "Bout it Bout it". But his brothers, C-murder and Silkk the Shocker were just the worst...

NastradumasKid said:

No Limit Records? At this point, I rather be listening to some artists, who isn't Lil Wayne, from Cash Money records, during the 90s.

Like this?:

TonyVanDam said:

NastradumasKid said:

No Limit Records? At this point, I rather be listening to some artists, who isn't Lil Wayne, from Cash Money records, during the 90s.

Like this?:

Yeah, but listening to it now with Lil Wayne in the end makes me cringe.

minneapolisFunq said:

NastradumasKid said:

What? I like him and he really isn't that bad.

Baby cuz im a thug!

I bought "thug holiday" because I liked the single "in the wind" and was very disappointed with the rest of the album.

although I was only like 13 I dont think my opinion would change if I heard it again today.

I see. Well, I will say that song "Nah" with Trina kind of ruined it for me.

Oh I fully blame this man:

Hip Hop was alive and kicking until 1997.

In 1997 that little motherfucker launched the downward spiral of Hip Hop, with his watering down and overly commercializing it. Wearing out his welcome as a guest, in appearances of songs by other artists and sampling damn near every hit song ever made, to make his own hit songs.

From then on...Hip Hop has been dying a very painful and slow death!

If I could get Dr. Jack Kervorkian to "assist" it...I damn sure would!

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paisleypark4 said:

[img:$uid]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cVKJpfYWBfc/RlDtb-HzVDI/AAAAAAAAAEM/yCPFIn-ln00/s400/MasterP.jpg[/img:$uid] To me..this was pt. 2 of the end of mainstream hip hop

[img:$uid]http://wmdeez.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/lil-wayne-kissing-baby.jpg[/img:$uid]

CORRECTION: THIS^ couple killed mainstream hip-hop far worse than Master P. That's Lil'Wayne......oops, I mean Lil'Wendy & his boyfriend Baby The Birdman

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Oh I fully blame this man:

Hip Hop was alive and kicking until 1997.

In 1997 that little motherfucker launched the downward spiral of Hip Hop, with his watering down and overly commercializing it. Wearing out his welcome as a guest, in appearances of songs by other artists and sampling damn near every hit song ever made, to make his own hit songs.

From then on...Hip Hop has been dying a very painful and slow death!

If I could get Dr. Jack Kervorkian to "assist" it...I damn sure would!

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[Edited 7/14/10 12:09pm]

Don't forget his popularizing of Hip-Hop/R&B collaborations... Not all of them were bad, but still, he's the reason why Hip Hop and R&B can no longer be distinguished between the two.

TonyVanDam said:

paisleypark4 said:

[img:$uid]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_cVKJpfYWBfc/RlDtb-HzVDI/AAAAAAAAAEM/yCPFIn-ln00/s400/MasterP.jpg[/img:$uid] To me..this was pt. 2 of the end of mainstream hip hop

[img:$uid]http://wmdeez.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/lil-wayne-kissing-baby.jpg[/img:$uid]

CORRECTION: THIS^ couple killed mainstream hip-hop far worse than Master P. That's Lil'Wayne......oops, I mean Lil'Wendy & his boyfriend Baby The Birdman

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Oh god, not that shit again. If Wayne and Baby are gay, that's their business, partner!!!!

NastradumasKid said:

TonyVanDam said:

[img:$uid]http://wmdeez.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/lil-wayne-kissing-baby.jpg[/img:$uid]

CORRECTION: THIS^ couple killed mainstream hip-hop far worse than Master P. That's Lil'Wayne......oops, I mean Lil'Wendy & his boyfriend Baby The Birdman

[Edited 7/14/10 12:12pm]

Oh god, not that shit again. If Wayne and Baby are gay, that's their business, partner!!!!

I was about to say, "What the hell is wrong with you?" because I thought they were really father and son, shows how much I know about either of 'em but since I just found out they are not...carry on!

NastradumasKid said:

TonyVanDam said:

[img:$uid]http://wmdeez.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/lil-wayne-kissing-baby.jpg[/img:$uid]

CORRECTION: THIS^ couple killed mainstream hip-hop far worse than Master P. That's Lil'Wayne......oops, I mean Lil'Wendy & his boyfriend Baby The Birdman

[Edited 7/14/10 12:12pm]

Oh god, not that shit again. If Wayne and Baby are gay, that's their business, partner!!!!

I agree.

But I'm not calling Lil' Wayne out of being gay OR bi. I'm calling him out of being one of the usual hyporcrites in shit-hop that likes to play that anti-gay hard role, knowing damn good and well that he loves Baby on a down low. F*** him!

Rumor has it that Lil'Wayne invented the controversial "no homo" catch phrase. It's funny in context on The Boondocks, but THAT phrase is disrespectful according to some that mention it in previous threads.

[img:$uid]http://wmdeez.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/lil-wayne-kissing-baby.jpg[/img:$uid]

I'm sorry but I just can't help laughing my ass off, at the expressions on the faces of the guys with the headbands on and the guy whose head is decisively, turned away looking at nothing but that pillar!