sosgemini said:

paisleypark4 said:

sosgemini said: Sosgemini...serfiously....I'm talking about funk that was better than princes..not copied from and sound like...its like sayin Ready For the Worlds first album was better than Around the World In a Day ..which it was however forgetting during thus time Prince came with The Dance Electric and She's Always In My Hair. During these past ten years I can pick a handful of one off songs that sound like prince....Private..."we got some breaking up to do". The Dream "yamaha", Justin "futuresex", Keri Hilson "slow dance", Chris Brown "you", Lloyd "street Love", Van Hunt "lowest 1 of my dreams" all come for Prince but can you HONSTLY say thes artists with copycat sounds really embody the sound and the funk? Or making funk like music without actually keeping true to the sound in their artistry and albums produced? If you going to come for Prince come with artists that stick with the sound and not one track album cuts with Prince like sounds...and none of you can put an album and artist that encompass the full mpls sound on a whole album. Gtfo with that ish

My response? You're thinking too hard, undo.

Sorry, it's just not that important a subject for me.

Dude u gotta understand when I read this I was walking and sweating in the blazing hot sun hungry and mad. I snapped..I had to snap because he was coming for Prince with people most certainly have no business.

But this is to the poster:

Seriously in all love to all lovers of Princes music; this is ludacrise to Princes recent output. How you going to gang up a bunch of one off songs pulled from different people to stand up to one man's creativity 2000-2010? D'Angelo have yet to even grace the lands of Prince's recent output..Prince is albums deep over him by this point and "Untitled" is his only crowning Prince like acheivement, Maxwell has one Prince like tune "Get To Know Ya" and definitley not Justin Timberfake; that fool had to steal Prince's bandmembers just to try to look important.

Seriosuly do any of these artists encompass the Mpls sound truthfully and as a whole?

Your thesis on this subject surely has not been thoughfully processed.

Van Hunt is definitely not trying to be the next Prince.

That being said I do feel that he has the best chance of any of these artist mentioned in this thread to have a long career with similar parallels to Prince's own. He has already established that he can change up his styles and he's a good musician and he has a good voice. He does has a following that is probably full of Prince fans like myself because we see those parallels and want to watch this cat grow into something spectacular like we did with Prince when we first heard Dirty Mind or Controversy. Personally I enjoy the majority of Van's music and look foward to seeing where he takes us next.

Maxwell is equally accomplished but he is for all intents just a singer and a better at singing ballads than anything else he's done. His uptempo joints are alright but they're not groundbreaking or even that funky. He does deserves respect for his talent though.

paisleypark4 said:

Dude u gotta understand when I read this I was walking and sweating in the blazing hot sun hungry and mad. I snapped..I had to snap because he was coming for Prince with people most certainly have no business.

But this is to the poster:

Seriously in all love to all lovers of Princes music; this is ludacrise to Princes recent output. How you going to gang up a bunch of one off songs pulled from different people to stand up to one man's creativity 2000-2010? D'Angelo have yet to even grace the lands of Prince's recent output..Prince is albums deep over him by this point and "Untitled" is his only crowning Prince like acheivement, Maxwell has one Prince like tune "Get To Know Ya" and definitley not Justin Timberfake; that fool had to steal Prince's bandmembers just to try to look important.

Seriosuly do any of these artists encompass the Mpls sound truthfully and as a whole?

Your thesis on this subject surely has not been thoughfully processed.

Ahhh, gotcha. I was all sorts of confused.

coltrane3 said:

When Meshell Ndegeocello released "The World Has Made Me the Man of My Dreams" a couple of years ago, the first thing I thought, was "Prince" (at least in his heyday). The stylistic range, the suredness in trying new things, the creative pulse, all while writing brilliant, memorable songs. The whole package was just mindblowing, IMO.

Of course, I'm a huge Meshell fan and having listened to all of her music, and it would be insulting at this point to say she's "A Better Prince Artist." She's truly her own artist and has earned her own place in my book. But, the whole package of that album completely reminded me what an inspired, creative musician could do, and which, IMO, Prince used to do.

coltrane3, I said in Reply #6 what you already said, very, very well. "Prince music," as people use the term, more accurately describes the characteristics you lay out here. His best work covers all of your bases, as does the work of so many others. The experience that people have listening to "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker" or "17 Days" is similar to the experience of listening to "Tuesday Heartbreak," "Being A Girl," "Stop The World," "Greatdayinamornin'," et cetera.

As to Ndegeocello herself, she's brilliant. She's had a run that has been criminally ignored by the audience-at-large and the mediocracy. She creates from the heart and soul, melding different influences and sounds to shape her own "thing."

Prince simply can't do what Me'Shell does now, or has done throughout her career. Her sounbd comes from a passion, soul and perspective all its own. Exhibit A is one of the most brilliant tracks from TWHMMTMOMD that simply kills.

[Edited 7/6/10 19:42pm]

Another established artist in the "Tradition," IMHO:

namepeace said:

coltrane3 said:

When Meshell Ndegeocello released "The World Has Made Me the Man of My Dreams" a couple of years ago, the first thing I thought, was "Prince" (at least in his heyday). The stylistic range, the suredness in trying new things, the creative pulse, all while writing brilliant, memorable songs. The whole package was just mindblowing, IMO.

Of course, I'm a huge Meshell fan and having listened to all of her music, and it would be insulting at this point to say she's "A Better Prince Artist." She's truly her own artist and has earned her own place in my book. But, the whole package of that album completely reminded me what an inspired, creative musician could do, and which, IMO, Prince used to do.

coltrane3, I said in Reply #6 what you already said, very, very well. "Prince music," as people use the term, more accurately describes the characteristics you lay out here. His best work covers all of your bases, as does the work of so many others. The experience that people have listening to "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker" or "17 Days" is similar to the experience of listening to "Tuesday Heartbreak," "Being A Girl," "Stop The World," "Greatdayinamornin'," et cetera.

As to Ndegeocello herself, she's brilliant. She's had a run that has been criminally ignored by the audience-at-large and the mediocracy. She creates from the heart and soul, melding different influences and sounds to shape her own "thing."

Prince simply can't do what Me'Shell does now, or has done throughout her career. Her sounbd comes from a passion, soul and perspective all its own. Exhibit A is one of the most brilliant tracks from TWHMMTMOMD that simply kills.

[Edited 7/6/10 19:42pm]

As much as I agree with your sentiment, I just have one small disagreement, I consider her latest work even better than The World Has Made Me.

sosgemini said:

namepeace said:

coltrane3, I said in Reply #6 what you already said, very, very well. "Prince music," as people use the term, more accurately describes the characteristics you lay out here. His best work covers all of your bases, as does the work of so many others. The experience that people have listening to "The Ballad of Dorothy Parker" or "17 Days" is similar to the experience of listening to "Tuesday Heartbreak," "Being A Girl," "Stop The World," "Greatdayinamornin'," et cetera.

As to Ndegeocello herself, she's brilliant. She's had a run that has been criminally ignored by the audience-at-large and the mediocracy. She creates from the heart and soul, melding different influences and sounds to shape her own "thing."

Prince simply can't do what Me'Shell does now, or has done throughout her career. Her sounbd comes from a passion, soul and perspective all its own. Exhibit A is one of the most brilliant tracks from TWHMMTMOMD that simply kills.

[Edited 7/6/10 19:42pm]

As much as I agree with your sentiment, I just have one small disagreement, I consider her latest work even better than The World Has Made Me.

If I disagree, and I do, I can't say you're wrong.

Especially considering . . .

HonestMan13 said:

Van Hunt is definitely not trying to be the next Prince.

That being said I do feel that he has the best chance of any of these artist mentioned in this thread to have a long career with similar parallels to Prince's own. He has already established that he can change up his styles and he's a good musician and he has a good voice. He does has a following that is probably full of Prince fans like myself because we see those parallels and want to watch this cat grow into something spectacular like we did with Prince when we first heard Dirty Mind or Controversy. Personally I enjoy the majority of Van's music and look foward to seeing where he takes us next.

I feel much the same way about Van, and once defended him on this point so vociferously on his blog that he sent me an email to thank me. In some ways, he was a better writer starting out in his solo career than Prince was.

But Prince in his formative stages never had to deal with the industry as it exists today. It's a damn shame that his two label releases never got any momentum, but he's competing against a music scene still dominated by hip-hop and more stratified than it appears.

Unfortunately, as I see it (and others here are far more versed in the industry than I) a black artist playing music has it harder than (s)he used to, from the standpoint of becoming a commercial success and getting sustained label support. I would have loved to have bought Popular but as far as I know it'll never be released. I dug a lot of the tracks on the "In Case of Emergency" compilation he put out last year.

There seem to be industry-related impediments to realizing the kind of impact the Princes, Stevies, Slys and Jimis enjoyed in times past. That has to be a factor.

Lewis Taylor has a few songs that don't necessarily sound like Prince but give the vibe. He's dope.

The whole Lewis Taylor album has the vibe.

pinkcashmere75 said:

Lewis Taylor has a few songs that don't necessarily sound like Prince but give the vibe. He's dope.

The whole Lewis Taylor album has the vibe.

As long as I've been here, there have been passionate LT fans in this forum. That's an artist I really wish had stayed in the game.

namepeace said:

sosgemini said:

As much as I agree with your sentiment, I just have one small disagreement, I consider her latest work even better than The World Has Made Me.

If I disagree, and I do, I can't say you're wrong.

Especially considering . . .

Well Meshell writes from her thougts at the time and her experience growing as a person..she definitley is not 52 years old so she is still in her "discovery mode" where Prince has kind of been through that stage almost from 1988 - 2000 when he finally.."celebrated" his stance on his religious beliefs being the Rainbow Children...afterwards he has just been making..feel good music because his life and stances on religion basically has not changed too much from outside opinion..he is now reflective on his life rather than still 'dealing with life' like Meshell. So with that said Meshell's musical input is strong with much personality; but that does not make it any more "better" or "worse" than prince's output.

They are two diffrent people in two different stages in life...as all singers and artists are.

HonestMan13 said:

Van Hunt is definitely not trying to be the next Prince.

That being said I do feel that he has the best chance of any of these artist mentioned in this thread to have a long career with similar parallels to Prince's own. He has already established that he can change up his styles and he's a good musician and he has a good voice. He does has a following that is probably full of Prince fans like myself because we see those parallels and want to watch this cat grow into something spectacular like we did with Prince when we first heard Dirty Mind or Controversy. Personally I enjoy the majority of Van's music and look foward to seeing where he takes us next.

Maxwell is equally accomplished but he is for all intents just a singer and a better at singing ballads than anything else he's done. His uptempo joints are alright but they're not groundbreaking or even that funky. He does deserves respect for his talent though.

Co-sign on the Van Hunt part. (the maxwell part too) Van Hunt has bene the most impresive artist that is in the relm of what Prince was. But is still Van Hunt

JoeTyler said:

NOBODY, FUCKIN' NOBODY

Nevertheless, Lady Gaga, specially with The Fame album, has released some songs that are almost as good as the classics of Dirty Mind or Controversy...

[Edited 7/3/10 15:16pm]

And I thought the original post was hilarious, but this is just as bad, if not worse.

paisleypark4 said:

namepeace said:

If I disagree, and I do, I can't say you're wrong.

Especially considering . . .

Well Meshell writes from her thougts at the time and her experience growing as a person..she definitley is not 52 years old so she is still in her "discovery mode" where Prince has kind of been through that stage almost from 1988 - 2000 when he finally.."celebrated" his stance on his religious beliefs being the Rainbow Children...afterwards he has just been making..feel good music because his life and stances on religion basically has not changed too much from outside opinion..he is now reflective on his life rather than still 'dealing with life' like Meshell. So with that said Meshell's musical input is strong with much personality; but that does not make it any more "better" or "worse" than prince's output.

They are two diffrent people in two different stages in life...as all singers and artists are.

you're right, and I said as much in Reply No. 9, which you can read for yourself because I'm having trouble cutting and pasting it.

To reiterate, Prince cannot do what Me'Shell does, because her sound comes from a passion and experience all her own. Her work stands alone.

I think we're all trying to find different ways to say the same thing.

Nobody mentioned Janelle Monae yet, her live skills are outstanding, definately a student of JB, Prince, MJ and has one of the best albums of the year now. She's doing more than half the people on the original list.

OperatingThetan said:

NobodyUknow said:

I believe these Cats are doing better Prince music than Prince himself is doing of late...

1.Van Hunt

2.Maxwell

3.D'Angelo

4.Sam Bostic

5.Justin Timberlake

6.Bilal

7.Robin Thicke

There could be more....

Feel free to add 2 the list or rip mine a new 1.

Bullshit.

D'Angelo has done fuck all in years. Has nowhere near the legacy.

Justin Timberlake, invalidates the whole of your list in my opinion. How you can seriously suggest that this ex-boy-band copy-cat is superior to Prince is beyond me. It is akin to claiming Timbaland is a better producer than Quincy Jones. Or that Madonna is a better guitar-player than Jimi Hendrix.

Robin Thicke and Bilal are so-so. Nothing memorable or amazing.

Maxwell is talented, but here again, is the major fault of your argument; he is brilliant strictly within soul music.

Prince is and never has been a soul singer. His music is much more eclectic. Tell me how many of the Artists above cover the range of styles that Prince does? How many have released an album comparable to 'Sign 'O' Times'.

Are any of those Artists capable of making 'Parade'? 'Around the World in a Day'?

How many of these are multi-instrumentalists? How many albums have they released?

Van Hunt is amazing, the closest to genius, but not really in relation to Prince. Prince is in a different category when properly considering his recording history.

Again, Justin Timberlake? What the fuck ...

You said it all.

However, I will say that listening to Maxwell's new album, I can't help but think "why can't Prince put this much soul into his music?"...not that I want to turn into a soul singer, but the depth of emotion in the music just isn't there for the most part.

blumer said:

Nobody mentioned Janelle Monae yet, her live skills are outstanding, definately a student of JB, Prince, MJ and has one of the best albums of the year now. She's doing more than half the people on the original list.

I really dig ArchAndroid.

blumer said:

Nobody mentioned Janelle Monae yet, her live skills are outstanding, definately a student of JB, Prince, MJ and has one of the best albums of the year now. She's doing more than half the people on the original list.

She more of a Michael Jackson then a Prince too me. But still def. one of the best out there right now! no doubt!

TonyVanDam said:

NobodyUknow said:

I believe these Cats are doing better Prince music than Prince himself is doing of late...

1.Van Hunt

2.Maxwell

3.D'Angelo

4.Sam Bostic

5.Justin Timberlake

6.Bilal

7.Robin Thicke

There could be more....

Feel free to add 2 the list or rip mine a new 1.

Most of THAT^ is f***ing whack!

THIS is real Prince clone:

The band is Private. The band leader is Thomas Troelsen. He's pretty good in sounding like Prince OR Michael with ease.

I like it..does sound like a Prince rip off band from the mid 80s but in a good way.

FunkiestOne said:

TonyVanDam said:

The band is Private. The band leader is Thomas Troelsen. He's pretty good in sounding like Prince OR Michael with ease.

I like it..does sound like a Prince rip off band from the mid 80s but in a good way.

I dig that almost immediately. It looks like some director with a sense of irony hired the lighting and production crew from the 1999 videos, aped the choreography from the outro sequence of the "When Doves Cry" video, called Hertz and put together this video.

Great find TVD.

FunkiestOne said:

TonyVanDam said:

Most of THAT^ is f***ing whack!

THIS is real Prince clone:

The band is Private. The band leader is Thomas Troelsen. He's pretty good in sounding like Prince OR Michael with ease.

I like it..does sound like a Prince rip off band from the mid 80s but in a good way.

Doesn't remind me of Prince or Michael Jackson at all. The music in the beginning reinds me of Alexander O'Neal and the voice reminds me a lot of a very talaeted local artist and friend of mine:

Serious said:

FunkiestOne said:

I like it..does sound like a Prince rip off band from the mid 80s but in a good way.

Doesn't remind me of Prince or Michael Jackson at all. The music in the beginning reinds me of Alexander O'Neal and the voice reminds me a lot of a very talaeted local artist and friend of mine:

I hate it that I cannot edit my post without fucking up the youtube link . I am too tired to post obviously .

NobodyUknow said:

I believe these Cats are doing better Prince music than Prince himself is doing of late...

1.Van Hunt

2.Maxwell

3.D'Angelo

4.Sam Bostic

5.Justin Timberlake

6.Bilal

7.Robin Thicke

There could be more....

Feel free to add 2 the list or rip mine a new 1.

And DAngeNoShow has done what lately?

phunkdaddy said:

NobodyUknow said:

I believe these Cats are doing better Prince music than Prince himself is doing of late...

1.Van Hunt

2.Maxwell

3.D'Angelo

4.Sam Bostic

5.Justin Timberlake

6.Bilal

7.Robin Thicke

There could be more....

Feel free to add 2 the list or rip mine a new 1.

And DAngeNoShow has done what lately?

D's last abum is better Prince's last 5 at least...

So D is in no rush 2 catch up.

NobodyUknow said:

I believe these Cats are doing better Prince music than Prince himself is doing of late...

1.Van Hunt

2.Maxwell

3.D'Angelo

4.Sam Bostic

5.Justin Timberlake

6.Bilal

7.Robin Thicke

There could be more....

Feel free to add 2 the list or rip mine a new 1.

MORE 2 MY LIST.....

NobodyUknow said:

phunkdaddy said:

And DAngeNoShow has done what lately?

D's last abum is better Prince's last 5 at least...

So D is in no rush 2 catch up.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Transversely, i will take Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999,

Purple Rain, Diamonds and Pearls, Gold(any single one of those albums) > D AngeNoShow's

whole career.

D shouldn't be in no rush to catch up particularly when you can't beat what you

can't catch.

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phunkdaddy said:

NobodyUknow said:

D's last abum is better Prince's last 5 at least...

So D is in no rush 2 catch up.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Transversely, i will take Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999,

Purple Rain, Diamonds and Pearls, Gold(any single one of those albums) > D AngeNoShow's

whole career.

D shouldn't be in no rush to catch up particularly when you can't beat what you

can't catch.

[Edited 7/8/10 21:27pm]

No doubt....NOBODY can copete with any of those mentioned...but I said lately....

in the last 10 years or more he (Prince) has been putting out

mostly bootie a$$ work.

Breaks my heart to admit and type it... but....

it's true....

NobodyUknow said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Transversely, i will take Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999,

Purple Rain, Diamonds and Pearls, Gold(any single one of those albums) > D AngeNoShow's

whole career.

D shouldn't be in no rush to catch up particularly when you can't beat what you

can't catch.

[Edited 7/8/10 21:27pm]

No doubt....NOBODY can copete with any of those mentioned...but I said lately....

in the last 10 years or more he (Prince) has been putting out

mostly bootie a$$ work.

Breaks my heart to admit and type it... but....

it's true....

I like Musicology, 3121, and some songs off of Lotusflower.

Didn't care for Planet Earth much outside of Guitar.

I just think he has the MJ syndrome. It's hard to top or come

close to the monster you've created with your past work.

phunkdaddy said:

NobodyUknow said:

No doubt....NOBODY can copete with any of those mentioned...but I said lately....

in the last 10 years or more he (Prince) has been putting out

mostly bootie a$$ work.

Breaks my heart to admit and type it... but....

it's true....

I like Musicology, 3121, and some songs off of Lotusflower.

Didn't care for Planet Earth much outside of Guitar.

I just think he has the MJ syndrome. It's hard to top or come

close to the monster you've created with your past work.

I don't believe that....He believes his $h!t don't stink...

and he believes his hype that he's a genius...and has no

true friend to tell him his work is lame not 4 the masses and simply

not fonky....why would a so called genius listen to someone he believes

he is better than....???

True creativity does not disapate....

He just ain't ahead of the curve anymore... but... other Cat's are ahead of the curve

by standing on his shoulders....just like Prince did when standing on his music heroes shoulders.

NobodyUknow said:

phunkdaddy said:

I like Musicology, 3121, and some songs off of Lotusflower.

Didn't care for Planet Earth much outside of Guitar.

I just think he has the MJ syndrome. It's hard to top or come

close to the monster you've created with your past work.

I don't believe that....He believes his $h!t don't stink...

and he believes his hype that he's a genius...and has no

true friend to tell him his work is lame not 4 the masses and simply

not fonky....why would a so called genius listen to someone he believes

he is better than....???

True creativity does not disapate....

He just ain't ahead of the curve anymore... but... other Cat's are ahead of the curve

by standing on his shoulders....just like Prince did when standing on his music heroes shoulders.

There are not many pop musicians who can continue to crank out consistently great albums in heavy volume, with no assistance from outside producers. Prince said it best in "Don't Play Me," he feels like his only competition is himself in the past. If any artist spends a ton of time playing to himself, then eventually, their work will be impacted.