RipTheJacker said:

i got another one to add :

Craig Mack- Flava In Ya Ear(the remix is a hip-hop classic)

Easy Mo Bee produced the beat, which was turned down by Q-Tip & Big Daddy Kane

Easy Mo Bee played Biggie's "Warning" beat to Big Daddy Kane first too, because Kane loved Isaac Hayes (the sample). He thought Kane would snatch it up for sure, but he was like "blah, next"

Cinnie said:

SoulAlive said:

Cinnie said:

Wow, all this time I thought 1982's Midnight Love WAS a Motown release. I never heard the story about Marvin signing with Columbia.

Marvin was pissed with Motown after they released his 1981 album 'In Our Lifetime' before he was completely finished with it.He wanted to do some more work on it but they took the recordings and rush-released it behind his back.He got his payback,though, when "Sexual Healing" became a monster hit for Columbia Records

I didn't know In Our Lifetime was "unfinished" either! We always heard about Michael Jackson being begged to be on Motown 25, so I didn't think that when Marvin participated it was anything short of "expected".

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Cinnie said:

RipTheJacker said:

i got another one to add :

Craig Mack- Flava In Ya Ear(the remix is a hip-hop classic)

Easy Mo Bee produced the beat, which was turned down by Q-Tip & Big Daddy Kane

Easy Mo Bee played Biggie's "Warning" beat to Big Daddy Kane first too, because Kane loved Isaac Hayes (the sample). He thought Kane would snatch it up for sure, but he was like "blah, next"

i haven't heard the "warning" beat, but if biggie got it i'm sure it's good. i'll go search for it.

"All I Wanna Do Is Make Love To You" recorded by Heart (1990) but first offered to Don Henley. I can hear it, but with some lyric changes. Can't imagine DH singing..."he brought the woman out of me, so many times easily."

"Can't Stop Falling into Love" recorded by Cheap Trick (1990) but first offered to Rod Stewart.

Zzzline Dion rejected 'I Don't Want to Miss a Thing' by Aerosmith

Did James Brown rejected a Prince tune?

Patti also passed on "If You Don't Know Me By Now."

Chante Moore passed on SWV's "Weak."

Willie Nelson wrote "Crazy." for friend Billy Walker. He turned it down and it became a big hit for Patsy Cline.

Sophie Ellis-Bextor turned down "Can't Get You Out of My Head" which was a hit for Kylie Minogue.

Celine Dion turned down "There You'll Be." Faith Hill had a hit with it.

Cinnie said:

SoulAlive said:

Cinnie said: Marvin was pissed with Motown after they released his 1981 album 'In Our Lifetime' before he was completely finished with it.He wanted to do some more work on it but they took the recordings and rush-released it behind his back.He got his payback,though, when "Sexual Healing" became a monster hit for Columbia Records

I didn't know In Our Lifetime was "unfinished" either! We always heard about Michael Jackson being begged to be on Motown 25, so I didn't think that when Marvin participated it was anything short of "expected".

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Marvin only agreed to do it at the final minute. Michael was the last person to agree to do the Motown 25 thing. But Marvin almost didn't show up either. Took a leap of faith for the both of them to agree to it knowing relations both had with Motown were shaky: Marvin leaving Motown because of "In Our Lifetime" rush release and Michael and his brothers/father battling the label for control of royalties though it was settled in 1980, Michael was still trying to buy its rights. He had no personal problems with Berry (since Berry convinced him to do it for Suzanne) but Marvin was more antagonistic against Berry due to their complicated relationship which was more personal since Marvin and Berry had been together for 22 years and Marvin & Berry were estranged ex-brothers-in-law.

Hudson said:

Patti also passed on "If You Don't Know Me By Now."

Chante Moore passed on SWV's "Weak."

Willie Nelson wrote "Crazy." for friend Billy Walker. He turned it down and it became a big hit for Patsy Cline.

Sophie Ellis-Bextor turned down "Can't Get You Out of My Head" which was a hit for Kylie Minogue.

Celine Dion turned down "There You'll Be." Faith Hill had a hit with it.

Patti said at the time she and Labelle (Nona and Sarah) were giving the song, that due to scheduling conflicts, they weren't able to do it. Kenny & Leon had gave them the song while they were working on Laura Nyro's "Gonna Take a Miracle".

The writer of "Weak", Brian Alexander Morgan, had a mad crush on Chante at the time he wrote it. He thought about giving it to her but he felt she would feel uneasy by the song's lyrics so he gave it to SWV, whom he was working with at the time.

That's interesting about Willie Nelson giving "Crazy" to originally Billy Walker before Patsy touched it. I couldn't see how it would've been a hit with anyone besides Patsy.

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Patti was also giving "I Will Always Love You" to record for the Burnin' album but she didn't wanna do it at the time and then they gave it to Whitney and Patti said she felt REAL dumb. In fact she said that about ALL the songs she rejected, she said she felt real stupid not accepting them. But Patti herself got classics so I don't think it's that difficult. LOL

I think George Michael had originally recorded "Heaven Help Me" for himself but instead decided to give it to Deon Estus, who was working on a solo album. I do believe it may have been intended for George because the song sounds so George-esque. But that's just me lol

Hudson said:

Celine Dion turned down "There You'll Be." Faith Hill had a hit with it.

I find it comical when songs are given to huge voices like Patti or Celine, only to be hits for average singers

And vice versa, all those songs people intended for Britney

Cinnie said:

Hudson said:

Celine Dion turned down "There You'll Be." Faith Hill had a hit with it.

I find it comical when songs are given to huge voices like Patti or Celine, only to be hits for average singers

And vice versa, all those songs people intended for Britney

I think it comes to how the artist initially thinks about the songs giving to them. Many think the songs are beneath them, then when they become hits with someone else, they're always somewhere going "DAMN WHY DIDN'T I DO IT!?!" That's why Patti did most of her rejects in concert. She was given "I Have Nothing" too and turned it down and ended up putting it in her repertoire a few times.

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Celine Dion is a huge voice? Since when?

Kinda weird how the final versions of all these hits you can expect writing credit for the producers or the singer, even after the song has been passed around like a bottle of ketchup

Although I did see "B. Norwood" (which is BRANDY) on the writing credits for one song passed around to some un-related artist, I think it was J.Lo.

midiscover said:

Celine Dion is a huge voice? Since when?

Since "Where Does My Heart Beat Now", nah git gon'

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Cinnie said:

midiscover said:

Celine Dion is a huge voice? Since when?

Since "When Does My Heart Beat Now", nah git gon'

First off, that song is horrible, thin, and lacks any real hook or creativity.

Celine's voice is thinner. She can hold a note, but there's no soul, no depth, no bottom to it. She's lifeless in her long notes. She's not that great at singing more upbeat songs either. She's a squawker, not a hitter.

ernestsewell said:

Cinnie said:

Since "When Does My Heart Beat Now", nah git gon'

First off, that song is horrible, thin, and lacks any real hook or creativity.

Celine's voice is thinner. She can hold a note, but there's no soul, no depth, no bottom to it. She's lifeless in her long notes. She's not that great at singing more upbeat songs either. She's a squawker, not a hitter.

The "debate" was over before you got here. Get back on topic.

Cinnie said:

midiscover said:

Celine Dion is a huge voice? Since when?

Since "Where Does My Heart Beat Now", nah git gon'

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Now where were we..

Cinnie said:

Kinda weird how the final versions of all these hits you can expect writing credit for the producers or the singer, even after the song has been passed around like a bottle of ketchup

Although I did see "B. Norwood" (which is BRANDY) on the writing credits for one song passed around to some un-related artist, I think it was J.Lo.

I wonder what other songs that were intended for someone else...

I think the Supremes were originally supposed to be recorded by them but I think Berry wanted HDH to give it to the Isley Brothers, who had just signed to Motown.

Needless to say, Berry doing that gave the Isleys some unwanted disrespect from other Motown peers who had struggled three years to get a hit and here come the Isleys, already established in some level, getting a hit in first base in Motown.

Cinnie said:

ernestsewell said:

First off, that song is horrible, thin, and lacks any real hook or creativity.

Celine's voice is thinner. She can hold a note, but there's no soul, no depth, no bottom to it. She's lifeless in her long notes. She's not that great at singing more upbeat songs either. She's a squawker, not a hitter.

The "debate" was over before you got here. Get back on topic.

Apparently it wasn't. She's still horrible, no matter when the deaf folks disagreement started.

Cinnie said:

midiscover said:

Celine Dion is a huge voice? Since when?

Since "Where Does My Heart Beat Now", nah git gon'

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Her voice isn't big.

ernestsewell said:

Cinnie said:

Since "When Does My Heart Beat Now", nah git gon'

First off, that song is horrible, thin, and lacks any real hook or creativity.

Celine's voice is thinner. She can hold a note, but there's no soul, no depth, no bottom to it. She's lifeless in her long notes. She's not that great at singing more upbeat songs either. She's a squawker, not a hitter.

Okayyyy

Here's a hip-hop inclusion:

Kanye said in the ending of "Last Call" from College Dropout that he intended for "Heart of the City" to be given to DMX but someone in his camp thought Jay-Z would like it so he played it for Shawn (Jay-Z) and he was sold on it. According to Kanye, Jay-Z really dug it.

I can't imagine what X would've done with it lol

midiscover said:

ernestsewell said:

First off, that song is horrible, thin, and lacks any real hook or creativity.

Celine's voice is thinner. She can hold a note, but there's no soul, no depth, no bottom to it. She's lifeless in her long notes. She's not that great at singing more upbeat songs either. She's a squawker, not a hitter.

Okayyyy

Did you read it like it was a put down to Faith Hill or something? How can you two both spin off into a tangent so quickly?

My point was it is ironic that certain songs were intended for certain voices when obviously it wasn't really crucial who it was.

Cinnie said:

ernestsewell said:

First off, that song is horrible, thin, and lacks any real hook or creativity.

Celine's voice is thinner. She can hold a note, but there's no soul, no depth, no bottom to it. She's lifeless in her long notes. She's not that great at singing more upbeat songs either. She's a squawker, not a hitter.

The "debate" was over before you got here. Get back on topic.

She was certainly good enough to have the second highest grossing tour by a female ever. People that hate on certain people just because it's the popular thing to do are a joke, not Celine. Her concerts are always spectacular, I'd even say they are second only to Tina Turner shows.

Cinnie said:

midiscover said:

Okayyyy

Did you read it like it was a put down to Faith Hill or something? How can you two both spin off into a tangent so quickly?

My point was it is ironic that certain songs were intended for certain voices when obviously it wasn't really crucial who it was.

I simply asked since when was Celine Dion ever considered a "big/huge voice" and you got all defensive. Its okay.

Timmy84 said:

Here's a hip-hop inclusion:

Kanye said in the ending of "Last Call" from College Dropout that he intended for "Heart of the City" to be given to DMX but someone in his camp thought Jay-Z would like it so he played it for Shawn (Jay-Z) and he was sold on it. According to Kanye, Jay-Z really dug it.

I can't imagine what X would've done with it lol

Then there's that story about Jay-Z begging the producer Ski to give him "Luchini" by Camp Lo. That woulda actually been hot though, lol

midiscover said:

Celine Dion is a huge voice? Since when?