midiscover said:

trueiopian said:

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Even to The Velvet Rope?

Discipline IS her worst album ever. Far worse than 40 Y.O.

The only good songs on that album is 'Feedback' and even 'Rock Wit U' is medicore at best. Kylie Minogue probably could've done a better version. 'Luv' is trash. '2nite' is okay. The ballads are laughable and embarssing among her classics.

I don't see how anyone could compare that crap to The Velvet Rope.

But to each their own.

Bishhhh!!!!

Rock Wit U is amazing.

LMSO! It was cute around the time she debuted the music video. Its just and a bit try hard. Just my opinion.

I wish she just letted Discipline flop gracefully. Launching a tour and a few shitty performances was so unnecessary. But I still love her. I love how she acts like the Rock wit U tour never happened. Ahaaa!

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bboy87 said:

midiscover said:

Discipline is ok but not good, imo. and at that last part.

You tryin' to hate on Come Give Your Love To Me, Don't Mess Up This Good Thing, and You'll Never Find (A Love Like Mine) ?

Well, forget ya'll

I love her debut too 'You'll Never Find' is my fave.

AlexdeParis said:

midiscover said:

Um So what album is her best?

Rhythm Nation 1814 is clearly her best album and Control is clearly second. They're both phenomenal albums that sound just as fresh now as when they were released.

Yea, RN1814 is her best (2nd imo) and Control is nice too.

IMHO Control is perfect except for "You Can Be Mine." RN, janet., and TVR are perfect. All For You is good. Everything afterwards is disappointing.

the Control album is her most overrated album ever.

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trueiopian said:

LMSO! It was cute around the time she debuted the music video. Its just and a bit try hard. Just my opinion.

I wish she just letted Discipline flop gracefully. Launching a tour and a few shitty performances was so unnecessary. But I still love her. I love how she acts like the Rock wit U tour never happened. Ahaaa!

She was going through some personal thangs Plus the material didn't seem age appropriate. So the fan reception was not good. I thought the tour was awesome. I hope she tours again and NOT cancel the shows only to blame it on the economy or some BS. She needs to suck it up and pick venues with a lower capacity.

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Her 5 worst

1. The One

2. Show Me

3. You Can Be Mine

4. Luv 2 Luv

5. Discipline

trueiopian said:

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Even to The Velvet Rope?

Discipline IS her worst album ever. Far worse than 40 Y.O.

The only good songs on that album is 'Feedback' and even 'Rock Wit U' is medicore at best. Kylie Minogue probably could've done a better version. 'Luv' is trash. '2nite' is okay. The ballads are laughable and embarssing among her classics.

I don't see how anyone could compare that crap to The Velvet Rope.

But to each their own.

I don’t recognize 20YO and Discipline as Janet albums; they are not good at all, real embarrassments to her catalog she had no control over them at all.

paper said:

I don’t recognize 20YO and Discipline as Janet albums; they are not good at all, real embarrassments to her catalog she had no control over them at all.

Is that true? Would Janet really have to relinquish her control over her music just because Damita Jo didn't sell?

midiscover said:

the Control album is her most overrated album ever.

[Edited 6/22/10 22:19pm]

Let me clarify my previous statement by saying that I love every album of Janet's (barring the pre-control albums which I have yet to hear). I find that she is incredibly consistent. 20 YO, to me, is my least favorite. I really enjoy All For You, Damita Jo, and The Velvet Rope. My problem with each of these albums, however, is that there are too many ballads on them (esp. on TVR). and this sags the flow of the album. Having said that, I still wouldn't rate any of them below a B. Discipline was one of those albums that I put on repeat for days when it came out, and I find it strong from end to end.

=0P

midiscover said:

the Control album is her most overrated album ever.

I don't believe that to be true. It might be the most overPLAYED album of her career, but it's not overrated. Monte Moir's "The Pleasure Principle" is worth the cost alone. Musically, it was edgy yet very radio friendly. Funky, and pop worthy. It was just really milked for singles, and rightly so. She wanted to make a mark on the scene, and she did. Six singles, and all of them making #1 somewhere on the charts. Pretty amazing, but it did its job. I don't always want to hear those old songs though. It's been 24 years since that was out. I've heard them enough. So yeah, I'm tired of that album most of the time, but I still have to give props to the impact it had for her, and on the listener.

And OMG the "video version" of "Control" on the 12" - HOOHAAAAAA. Love that! The Julien Temple directed "When I Think Of You", made to look like it's all in one take. HOOHAAAAA. Love that! Her in a warehouse dancing to that funky track (what I think is the funkiest track on the whole record), "The Pleasure Principle". HOOOHAAAAAA. Love that!

ernestsewell said:

midiscover said:

the Control album is her most overrated album ever.

I don't believe that to be true. It might be the most overPLAYED album of her career, but it's not overrated. Monte Moir's "The Pleasure Principle" is worth the cost alone. Musically, it was edgy yet very radio friendly. Funky, and pop worthy. It was just really milked for singles, and rightly so. She wanted to make a mark on the scene, and she did. Six singles, and all of them making #1 somewhere on the charts. Pretty amazing, but it did its job. I don't always want to hear those old songs though. It's been 24 years since that was out. I've heard them enough. So yeah, I'm tired of that album most of the time, but I still have to give props to the impact it had for her, and on the listener.

And OMG the "video version" of "Control" on the 12" - HOOHAAAAAA. Love that! The Julien Temple directed "When I Think Of You", made to look like it's all in one take. HOOHAAAAA. Love that! Her in a warehouse dancing to that funky track (what I think is the funkiest track on the whole record), "The Pleasure Principle". HOOOHAAAAAA. Love that!

I love the remixes of that song.

AshK said:

paper said:

I don’t recognize 20YO and Discipline as Janet albums; they are not good at all, real embarrassments to her catalog she had no control over them at all.

Is that true? Would Janet really have to relinquish her control over her music just because Damita Jo didn't sell?

Yes. When 20YO failed she let everyone on Discipline, she did nothing but the vocals. Even Larry King asked her about this.

paper said:

trueiopian said:

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Even to The Velvet Rope?

Discipline IS her worst album ever. Far worse than 40 Y.O.

The only good songs on that album is 'Feedback' and even 'Rock Wit U' is medicore at best. Kylie Minogue probably could've done a better version. 'Luv' is trash. '2nite' is okay. The ballads are laughable and embarssing among her classics.

I don't see how anyone could compare that crap to The Velvet Rope.

But to each their own.

I don’t recognize 20YO and Discipline as Janet albums; they are not good at all, real embarrassments to her catalog she had no control over them at all.

Me too. I like to act like those albums never happened just like Janet does

AshK said:

paper said:

I don’t recognize 20YO and Discipline as Janet albums; they are not good at all, real embarrassments to her catalog she had no control over them at all.

Is that true? Would Janet really have to relinquish her control over her music just because Damita Jo didn't sell?

Yes

After Damita Jo did poorly. She let JD take control over her next project. I assume she expected an album just as successful as Emancipation of a KFC addict. Little did she know he was trying to make her over in to some Hip-Hop princess. Ugh!

Discipline was just a waste of time. She did nothing but provide her vocals and she let LA Reid and JD control the whole project. You can tell she was uncomfortable with the album. Every time she was asked about it her eyes got all big and she stuttered. Even the whole concept of the album didn't make sense.

ernestsewell said:

midiscover said:

the Control album is her most overrated album ever.

I don't believe that to be true. It might be the most overPLAYED album of her career, but it's not overrated. Monte Moir's "The Pleasure Principle" is worth the cost alone. Musically, it was edgy yet very radio friendly. Funky, and pop worthy. It was just really milked for singles, and rightly so. She wanted to make a mark on the scene, and she did. Six singles, and all of them making #1 somewhere on the charts. Pretty amazing, but it did its job. I don't always want to hear those old songs though. It's been 24 years since that was out. I've heard them enough. So yeah, I'm tired of that album most of the time, but I still have to give props to the impact it had for her, and on the listener.

And OMG the "video version" of "Control" on the 12" - HOOHAAAAAA. Love that! The Julien Temple directed "When I Think Of You", made to look like it's all in one take. HOOHAAAAA. Love that! Her in a warehouse dancing to that funky track (what I think is the funkiest track on the whole record), "The Pleasure Principle". HOOOHAAAAAA. Love that!

Yea, the album is great, there's no denying that but many critics overrate the album, imo.

midiscover said:

ernestsewell said:

I don't believe that to be true. It might be the most overPLAYED album of her career, but it's not overrated. Monte Moir's "The Pleasure Principle" is worth the cost alone. Musically, it was edgy yet very radio friendly. Funky, and pop worthy. It was just really milked for singles, and rightly so. She wanted to make a mark on the scene, and she did. Six singles, and all of them making #1 somewhere on the charts. Pretty amazing, but it did its job. I don't always want to hear those old songs though. It's been 24 years since that was out. I've heard them enough. So yeah, I'm tired of that album most of the time, but I still have to give props to the impact it had for her, and on the listener.

And OMG the "video version" of "Control" on the 12" - HOOHAAAAAA. Love that! The Julien Temple directed "When I Think Of You", made to look like it's all in one take. HOOHAAAAA. Love that! Her in a warehouse dancing to that funky track (what I think is the funkiest track on the whole record), "The Pleasure Principle". HOOOHAAAAAA. Love that!

Yea, the album is great, there's no denying that but many critics overrate the album, imo.

Do you really think they overrate it? I don't. The album is "classic and made a BIG impact on music. With her stage perofrmances and videos, she changed the game for women performers. I would say that "Control" contains more "iconic" JJ songs than any of her other projects.

Even though RN was a "big" and "iconic" project also, people still refer to the "Control" singles more than any of her other work.

It is definitely the album that made her a star and will probably go down as her most memorable....with RN in a close 2nd.

None of Janet's albums are overrated.

Rare pic, janet. era:

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Midiscover, me, truiopian and bboy are gonna send a bomb over to your house. Gimme your Janet stan card RIGHT FUCKING NOW motherfucker!

Control is overrated my left nut.

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trueiopian said:

AshK said:

Is that true? Would Janet really have to relinquish her control over her music just because Damita Jo didn't sell?

Yes

After Damita Jo did poorly. She let JD take control over her next project. I assume she expected an album just as successful as Emancipation of a KFC addict. Little did she know he was trying to make her over in to some Hip-Hop princess. Ugh!

Discipline was just a waste of time. She did nothing but provide her vocals and she let LA Reid and JD control the whole project. You can tell she was uncomfortable with the album. Every time she was asked about it her eyes got all big and she stuttered. Even the whole concept of the album didn't make sense.

Thank you. I don't recognize these albums as Janet projects at all. Kept saying the girl was uninterested in making albums at that time and she was only doing them for label purposes (20 YO to get out of Virgin and Discipline because of an argument between her and L.A. Shady). Record industry politics can do that to you.

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As for "Son of a Gun", wrong single choice. Should've went with "Come On Get Up" (after "All for You" and before "Someone to Call My Lover") and then "Trust a Try". I wouldn't have released "Son of a Gun" at all.

Timmy84 said:

As for "Son of a Gun", wrong single choice. Should've went with "Come On Get Up" (after "All for You" and before "Someone to Call My Lover") and then "Trust a Try". I wouldn't have recorded "Son of a Gun" at all.

Fixed.

NMuzakNSoul said:

Timmy84 said:

As for "Son of a Gun", wrong single choice. Should've went with "Come On Get Up" (after "All for You" and before "Someone to Call My Lover") and then "Trust a Try". I wouldn't have recorded "Son of a Gun" at all.

Fixed.

trueiopian said:

None of Janet's albums are overrated.

Rare pic, janet. era:

[img:$uid]http://i49.tinypic.com/nx5q82.jpg[/img:$uid]

Stunning!

This song is a filler.

midiscover said:

the Control album is her most overrated album ever.

[Edited 6/22/10 22:19pm]

You mean All for You Control is her most influential album.

trueiopian said:

None of Janet's albums are overrated.

Rare pic, janet. era:

[img:$uid]http://i49.tinypic.com/nx5q82.jpg[/img:$uid]

Never saw that one! Thank you!

ernestsewell said:

trueiopian said:

None of Janet's albums are overrated.

Rare pic, janet. era:

[img:$uid]http://i49.tinypic.com/nx5q82.jpg[/img:$uid]

Never saw that one! Thank you!

I've been seeing it. I saw it on a forum (or was it a Janet fan site?).

trueiopian said:

AshK said:

Is that true? Would Janet really have to relinquish her control over her music just because Damita Jo didn't sell?

Yes

After Damita Jo did poorly. She let JD take control over her next project. I assume she expected an album just as successful as Emancipation of a KFC addict. Little did she know he was trying to make her over in to some Hip-Hop princess. Ugh!

Discipline was just a waste of time. She did nothing but provide her vocals and she let LA Reid and JD control the whole project. You can tell she was uncomfortable with the album. Every time she was asked about it her eyes got all big and she stuttered. Even the whole concept of the album didn't make sense.

: KFC addict remark. You know Janet has her weight issues too lol

That explains why really they didn't feel like Janet albums then, I just assumed she was trying to play it safe after Damita Jo () or just didn't have anything left to give. She should have listened to 'Control' a few more times because without her touch her music doesn't have any personality.