Was I the only one who was STUNNED when this song flopped on the charts? I remember that Janet was riding high on the success of the ALL FOR YOU song/album and then SOMEONE TO CALL MY LOVER was also a top 5 hit. SON OF A GUN was always my fav song from the CD and when I saw the big budget video for the song released, I just KNEW that it was going to be a smash and then all of a sudden, it was played on radio/MTV a few times, then it faded. What happened?

I thought it was a poor choice for a single. For the 3rd single, I thought that she would have released an "original" song (one that didn't contain a sample). Especially since AFY and STCML both were based on samples. I was hoping she would have released "Come On Get Up," "Feels So Right," or "Trust A Try".

Well, it didn't flop, but it should have done better. But i don't care...the video was so cool!

I remember I didn't like it all that much when I heard it on the album, but it can grow on you. It felt a bit too forced (unlike "Got 'Til It's Gone", which seemed organic). There were many great single choices on the album. Even attempting one of the ballads might have worked but "Feels So Right", which was and maybe still is played on a Detriot radio station from time to time, would have been a great fun song that might have hit. After "Someone to Call My Lover" (one of my least favorite singles, but I understand why it was a hit), they really messed up that album big time!

I like the single remix far more than the album version, but still...the song isn't her best single choice.

=0P

I love that one but I was upset with the choice teoo at the time. I can tell janet wanted trust a try so badly and was saying so even before someone to call my lover became a single, but it didn't happen. If janet released that single, she could have done huge things with it and looked even more like an innovator for those who tried to have an edgy song like that after. I am glad we got a tour performance of it though, gives me chills

"Come On Get Up" should have been the next single, not "Son Of A Gun". SOAG should have been the very last thing to be released from that CD, with a couple of other tracks before it.

Also don't forget that "Doesn't Really Matter" was a hit single before the album came out (and was a slightly different mix on the album), and continued to carry the album a bit initially until "All For You" caught on.

The singles were:

Doesn't Really Matter

All For You

Someone To Call my Lover

Son Of A Gun

The should have been:

Doesn't Really Matter

All For You

Come On Get Up (the other great summer song, the first being...)

Someone To Call My Lover

Trust A Try*

Son Of A Gun*

*Should have been a two-part video, like a mini story line since the subject matter is similar.

I agree Come On Get Up has hit written all over it! It should have been next after All For You and then Someone To Call My Lover should have come along in late summer '01. I thought Son Of A Gun was a fun sassy song and I loved the video but it really wasnt that strong of a song.

ernestsewell said:

"Come On Get Up" should have been the next single, not "Son Of A Gun". SOAG should have been the very last thing to be released from that CD, with a couple of other tracks before it.

Also don't forget that "Doesn't Really Matter" was a hit single before the album came out (and was a slightly different mix on the album), and continued to carry the album a bit initially until "All For You" caught on.

The singles were:

Doesn't Really Matter

All For You

Someone To Call my Lover

Son Of A Gun

The should have been:

Doesn't Really Matter

All For You

Come On Get Up (the other great summer song, the first being...)

Someone To Call My Lover

Trust A Try*

Son Of A Gun*

*Should have been a two-part video, like a mini story line since the subject matter is similar.

"Come On Get Up" was released as a promo with remixes, but was pulled at the last minute. There are a few promos floating around.

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The album is probably her worst post control IMO, so i thought there wasn't many obvious single choices but I would have done:

All for you

STCML

Trust a try

feels so right

When we oooo

robertlove said:

Well, it didn't flop, but it should have done better. But i don't care...the video was so cool!

I love AFY, that was the last time she was great. SoaG is my favorite Janet track I just wish Missy never had a part in the video or on the concert dvd. I don't agree with releassing "Come On Get Up" after "All For You." You need to separate them with a different sounding song like "Someone to Call My Lover."

Virgin wanted Son of a Gun to be a single. Janet didn't. She wanted 'Come on Get Up' instead. This is just another case of a label thinking they know the artist's audience better than the artist. Fail. Reminds me of how LA Reid demanded that 'Rock Wit U' be a single instead of Janet's choice for 'Luv'. Janet is smart and knows what will work, too bad the label heads are idiots and don't want to listen to her.

Anyway, all the remixes in the world couldn't save that single from flopping. It charted on the bottom half of many Europe countries. I love the song though. Janet also wanted to release more singles off AFY. Such as 'Trust a Try'. She knows its a fan favorite and goes back to her Rock roots. Meh. Virgin did her wrong. They could've milked that album for another year or so.

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mancabdriver said:

The album is probably her worst post control IMO, so i thought there wasn't many obvious single choices but I would have done:

All for you

STCML

Trust a try

feels so right

When we oooo

I think Damita Jo or 20YO would fall in2 that category. I like DJ, but the singles from that album SUCKED. So much better stuff on that album than the singles.

As for AFY, I agree about Feels So Right and Trust A Try, but not When We Ooo. That song would never get radio play.

IMHO, the problem was the horrid Missy Elliott mix of the song.

It is my belief that this song is the last display of utter brilliance on the part of Jimmy, Terry and Janet. Yes, the song contains a re-used portion of another song but what they (and credit to Carly Simon) were able to do with it was pure genius.

sosgemini said:

IMHO, the problem was the horrid Missy Elliott mix of the song.

It is my belief that this song is the last display of utter brilliance on the part of Jimmy, Terry and Janet. Yes, the song contains a re-used portion of another song but what they (and credit to Carly Simon) were able to do with it was pure genius.

Come on?!

daPrettyman said:

sosgemini said:

IMHO, the problem was the horrid Missy Elliott mix of the song.

It is my belief that this song is the last display of utter brilliance on the part of Jimmy, Terry and Janet. Yes, the song contains a re-used portion of another song but what they (and credit to Carly Simon) were able to do with it was pure genius.

Come on?!

No, seriously. I was floored when I first heard the song.

daPrettyman said:

"Come On Get Up" was released as a promo with remixes, but was pulled at the last minute. There are a few promos floating around.

Well then I just need to find me them remixes!

daPrettyman said:

mancabdriver said:

The album is probably her worst post control IMO, so i thought there wasn't many obvious single choices but I would have done:

All for you

STCML

Trust a try

feels so right

When we oooo

I think Damita Jo or 20YO would fall in2 that category. I like DJ, but the singles from that album SUCKED. So much better stuff on that album than the singles.

As for AFY, I agree about Feels So Right and Trust A Try, but not When We Ooo. That song would never get radio play.

I liked almost all songs on 20YO and DJ - I admit the single choices for 20YO were the worst songs of the album along with really weak videos (I cringe when I watch COM). But I thought 'I want you' and 'all nite' were good enough singles with a great videos.

The all for you album was a complete disappointment after TVR. I only really like ‘AFY’, when we oooo’, STCML and ‘feels so right’. The rest are forgettable, I don’t even really like TAT or DRM – but they are fan favourites so they would be good single choices.

daPrettyman said:

mancabdriver said:

The album is probably her worst post control IMO, so i thought there wasn't many obvious single choices but I would have done:

All for you

STCML

Trust a try

feels so right

When we oooo

I think Damita Jo or 20YO would fall in2 that category. I like DJ, but the singles from that album SUCKED. So much better stuff on that album than the singles.

As for AFY, I agree about Feels So Right and Trust A Try, but not When We Ooo. That song would never get radio play.

Yea, AFY isn't a bad album.

midiscover said:

daPrettyman said:

I think Damita Jo or 20YO would fall in2 that category. I like DJ, but the singles from that album SUCKED. So much better stuff on that album than the singles.

As for AFY, I agree about Feels So Right and Trust A Try, but not When We Ooo. That song would never get radio play.

Yea, AFY isn't a bad album.

I didn't say it was. I actually love it. I also like Damita Jo, but the single choices KILLED the project.

Horrible single choice.

Janet wasn't audible in this song. It was just "Mumble, mumble ,mumble - I betcha think this song is about youuu". But I loveeeee this song. I think its genius - the lyrics, the sampling and everything. But Missy Elliot was so unnecessary. Yuck! Virgin should've just went along with Janet's wishes and let 'Trust a Try' be a single. That song is epic!

daPrettyman said:

midiscover said:

Yea, AFY isn't a bad album.

I didn't say it was. I actually love it. I also like Damita Jo, but the single choices KILLED the project.

I know, I was agreeing with you. Also there aren't many single worthy songs on Damita Jo. Maybe, R&B Junkie and All Nite but thats about it.

I remember the song and video being everywhere. I just found out awhile ago that it only peaked at 28 on the Hot 100

midiscover said:

daPrettyman said:

I didn't say it was. I actually love it. I also like Damita Jo, but the single choices KILLED the project.

I know, I was agreeing with you. Also there aren't many single worthy songs on Damita Jo. Maybe, R&B Junkie and All Nite but thats about it.

I really think "Island Life" and "My Baby" would have been great Urban singles. "Spending Time With You"would have been a good Urban AC single also.

daPrettyman said:

midiscover said:

I know, I was agreeing with you. Also there aren't many single worthy songs on Damita Jo. Maybe, R&B Junkie and All Nite but thats about it.

I really think "Island Life" and "My Baby" would have been great Urban singles. "Spending Time With You"would have been a good Urban AC single also.

Before tittygate she was hot enough that any of the standout tracks on DJ would have been hits, but I don't think 20YO or Discipline had any good single worthy tracks. Still think you can make about one good album out of her last 3, I remember how most of the fans were so disappointed when DJ came out, people just expected more since it wa a Janet album after all. It's grown on me since but there's a lot of filler in the middle.

trueiopian said:

Horrible single choice.

Janet wasn't audible in this song. It was just "Mumble, mumble ,mumble - I betcha think this song is about youuu". But I loveeeee this song. I think its genius - the lyrics, the sampling and everything. But Missy Elliot was so unnecessary. Yuck! Virgin should've just went along with Janet's wishes and let 'Trust a Try' be a single. That song is epic!

daPrettyman said:

I thought it was a poor choice for a single. For the 3rd single, I thought that she would have released an "original" song (one that didn't contain a sample). Especially since AFY and STCML both were based on samples. I was hoping she would have released "Come On Get Up," "Feels So Right," or "Trust A Try".

Says it all. The worst song on an otherwise great cd.

I felt You Ain't Right should have been a single. That was a great

club jam.

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Hudson said:

daPrettyman said:

I really think "Island Life" and "My Baby" would have been great Urban singles. "Spending Time With You"would have been a good Urban AC single also.

Before tittygate she was hot enough that any of the standout tracks on DJ would have been hits, but I don't think 20YO or Discipline had any good single worthy tracks. Still think you can make about one good album out of her last 3, I remember how most of the fans were so disappointed when DJ came out, people just expected more since it wa a Janet album after all. It's grown on me since but there's a lot of filler in the middle.

20 Y.O. is mostly crap, but it has some good songs ("Enjoy," "Daybreak," "With U") that would make good singles. Discipline was her best album in years to my ears, with "LUV," "Feedback," and "Rock With U" being my favorites.

AlexdeParis said:

Hudson said:

Before tittygate she was hot enough that any of the standout tracks on DJ would have been hits, but I don't think 20YO or Discipline had any good single worthy tracks. Still think you can make about one good album out of her last 3, I remember how most of the fans were so disappointed when DJ came out, people just expected more since it wa a Janet album after all. It's grown on me since but there's a lot of filler in the middle.

20 Y.O. is mostly crap, but it has some good songs ("Enjoy," "Daybreak," "With U") that would make good singles. Discipline was her best album in years to my ears, with "LUV," "Feedback," and "Rock With U" being my favorites.

I have a hard time imagining those on the radio, maybe it's just cause I'm used to her not having hits anymore. Discipline is my least favorite of her albums, not counting the ones before Control.