Dreamer2 said:

Militant said:

Wasn't feeling it. I think he's taking advantage of the fact that so many people miss MJ to try and make himself look better.

I sorry to say this but only Americans would buy this fake sh*t, sorry , Chris Brown faked that sh*t, and he used MJ's memory to suck up to fans and people who respect MJ's work..

This is sick, I had already given Chris Brown the time of day, and hoped he could get his career back on track, and come to the UK when the visa stuff had been sorted, but not now, that fake MJ tribute has ended that.

Chris Brown you have let yourself down and let MJ down, Fame is not worth it, your sad.

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The only thing that gave me some degree of doubt is that at the very end...he takes his entire arm and wipes his tears. I mean Chris...you already broke down on stage, couldn't you wait until you got behind stage to wipe your face. That arm / face wipe just looked a bit...well fake to me.

Chris Brown was as big of an MJ fan as anyone out there. MJ had a direct influence on Chris and it was widely known. Which is why he did such an execellent job impersonating him. Jermaine introduced him.

Hell, fake or not.... everybody needs to be forgiven at some point. We can't banish the boy to hell at this early stage. The boy was only 19 when he did what he did. It was terrible and I hope that he's not an Ike Turner in the making but I'll hold out on my usual skepticism and give him one more chance.

Reel said:

Swa said:

^^ Chris Brown did a good job. Hopefully now he can hang up doing an MJ set in his shows. One interesting part was seeing him lipsynch Michael's parts during Remember the Time, Smooth Criminal etc - didn't see the reason for that.

Have to say I loved that the audience jumped in with singing Man In The Mirror - that crowd missed MJ like we all do.

You know the crowd jumping in and singing for Chris when he had his emotional meltdown, made me think that they were "supporting him" and kind of "picking up his slack and wrapping their arms around him through because the song had to be completed regardless of the meltdown. Just my opinion.

I think Chris did an excellent job. I'm not surprised about the lipsynch. Not everyone can perform and sing the way that MJ could. That was truly a gift that MJ had. Chris Brown has the potential to be a great showman. He needs a lot of work with his vocals, he may never be a great singer, but like Janet Jackson his showmanship will make up for his mediocre singing. I want to see more of him, so we need to stop hanging the BOY for his mistakes (as if we don't have our own) and let hm move on and become a man and give him a chance like we wanted the world to do with MJ.

cdcgold said:

ya'll heard about Jemaines wife being pregnant with twins? Yep twins.

Should we hold a name contest for them?

I suggest "Jerroyalty" and "Jernobility"

greatpink said:

cdcgold said:

ya'll heard about Jemaines wife being pregnant with twins? Yep twins.

Should we hold a name contest for them?

I suggest "Jerroyalty" and "Jernobility"

Great idea!

Damn; Jermaine's penis has done damages again!

I vote for "Jerroyalty". How many kids does he have...that we know of, since, just like Poppa Joe, Jermaine has his share of bastard kids?

greatpink said:

cdcgold said:

ya'll heard about Jemaines wife being pregnant with twins? Yep twins.

Should we hold a name contest for them?

I suggest "Jerroyalty" and "Jernobility"

Jermaine said he's going to name them Mecca and Medina. Their girls.

cdcgold said:

greatpink said:

Should we hold a name contest for them?

I suggest "Jerroyalty" and "Jernobility"

Jermaine said he's going to name them Mecca and Medina. Their girls.

I smell more child support lawsuits on the way within 4 years.

The girls' names reflect Jermaine's ego.

Mecca, as we all know, is Islamism's Vaticano while Medina is the city where Prophet Mohammed is buried. What about normal, regular and sometimes boring names like...Mary, Elaine, Katherine...???

Unknown bastard kids aside, Jermaine has...9 kids (if my memory serves me well). He's almost beating Joe's record. Unkown bastard children aside, Joe has 12 children (don0't forget about Brandon, Joh' Vonnie and Donte).

cdcgold said:

ya'll heard about Jemaines wife being pregnant with twins? Yep twins.

Jermaine needs to keep his ______ in his pants, or at least keep it covered with something. He already has like 10 kids. I think like 1 or 2 are adopted.

Reel said:

cdcgold said:

ya'll heard about Jemaines wife being pregnant with twins? Yep twins.

Jermaine needs to keep his ______ in his pants, or at least keep it covered with something. He already has like 10 kids. I think like 1 or 2 are adopted.

Well the good news is that this momma has money... Just in case the marriage falls apart.

cdcgold said:

greatpink said:

Should we hold a name contest for them?

I suggest "Jerroyalty" and "Jernobility"

Jermaine said he's going to name them Mecca and Medina. Their girls.

You are kidding, right?

Really, since I had learnt that they named their TV Episodes "The Jacksons: A Family DYNASTY" I thought nothing those broths would ever do could shock me again.

But I admit "MECCA" got me

"at least once in his lifetime each Muslim is expected to undertake a pilgrimage to..." = "everybody was there"

No, I can't think of any better names. "Jerantoinette" or "Jerbrynhild" perhaps, but they are not as good

Someone who went to the Forever Michael Memorial event that Katherine was a part of gave their recap of went on

that night:

Michael Jackson's Housing Debt Weighs on Estate, Heirs

By Shira Levine Jun 30th 2010 @ 11:22AM

Michael Jackson lives on through a mountain of real estate debt still on the books at the one-year anniversary of his passing. Due to this and other deficits, his personal estate's money woes remain steep and still affect the family members he left behind.

With little liquidity floating around, eyes are on Jackson's real estate holdings. So far, the Jackson family home, a 5-bedroom 7-bathroom, 10,476-square-foot home at 4641 Hayvenhurst Ave; in Encino, Calif., where his mother, Katherine, lives, has managed to avoid foreclosure.

But just in the nick of time. The save comes thanks to the roughly $200 million that the singer has brought in posthumously in the 12 months following his death. But while renewed popularity in Jackson's music has helped pay off debt, by no means are his plethora of properties in the clear -- a harsh reality that could affect Jackson's three children and his 80-year-old mother.

Come December 2010, the pop star's estate is expected to fork over $300 million of the $500 million debt that the Smooth Criminal and Thriller singer owes due to over-the-top spending throughout his life and, most excessively, in his final years. By the end of 2010, Barclays PLC expects the matured $300-million loan that they gave Jackson to be paid in full. In addition to the Encino home, Jackson's other costly and famed real estate is his Neverland Ranch at 5225 Figueroa Mountain Road in Los Olivos, Calif., a property that sits on 2,676 acres near Santa Barbara.

Neverland was bailed out of foreclosure by Colony Capital LLC, an L.A. real estate investment firm that bought the note and placed the estate in a joint venture with Jackson back in 2008. (Colony takes care of the ranch's overhead, maintenance and tax costs.) It's currently not for sale and experts say it most likely will not be converted into a tourist attraction like Graceland, Elvis Presley's opulent pad. There's also the family's home from Michael's childhood in Gary, Ind., at 2300 Jackson St. A condo owned by Jackson near the Encino enclave was four months late on loan payments and homeowner dues, so was also allegedly in danger of foreclosing until it was recently paid off. At the time of his death, Jackson was living in a rented mansion in Holmby Hills, a high-end L.A. neighborhood near Bel Air.

Despite his various financial holdings, at the time of his death Jackson was plagued with unpaid bills. The Encino home, which was slated to foreclose on the day after Jackson died, had outstanding debts that included thousands of dollars in utility bills. Several months had passed without anyone, be it Jackson, his mother, or any other Jackson family members making a payment. Besides Katherine and the singer's three children, the offspring of two of Michael's brothers also live in the family home.

For a family that has amassed such massive wealth, the Jacksons were in danger of being without running water because of only $9,000 owed to the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power. Their phone/cable/internet service was nearly disconnected because $1,300 was left unpaid. Another lesson, perhaps, on the dangers of overextending yourself in property ownership.

http://www.housingwatch.c...com_inline

can I get an "amen"??

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cdcgold said:

greatpink said:

Should we hold a name contest for them?

I suggest "Jerroyalty" and "Jernobility"

Jermaine said he's going to name them Mecca and Medina. Their girls.

Good thing,cause you darn well that if they were boys one of them would get named Michael.

Jacksom 5's first TV appearnce. This is before I Want You Back even came out, yet they had the audience eating out of their hands.

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At least 3 people in that photo are now dead. So sad.

Reel said:

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At least 3 people in that photo are now dead. So sad.

more like 6

That's when Black Hollywood was at it's most.....together

In all of my life, I have yet to see a child who has as much vocal control as Michael had at such a young age. I'm convinced that no such child exists. Even when little kids can sing, they have trouble with vocal control.

mimi07 said:

This is one of the J5 cuts I just have to put on heavy rotation everytime...just soulful voices from Michael at 14 years old. Classic! Even though Looking Through The Windows from 1972 wasn't one of their strongest works, it still had some slamming jams on there and this is one of them.

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silverchild said:

mimi07 said:

This is one of the J5 cuts I just have to put on heavy rotation everytime...just soulful voices from Michael at 14 years old. Classic! Even though Looking Through The Windows from 1972 wasn't one of their strongest works, it still had some slamming jams on there and this is one of them.

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It's one of my favorites. I've been taking my time with each J5 album. They were so much more than the four #1s, Never Can Say Goodbye, and Dancing Machine

Children Of The Light is another favorite of mine from Looking Through The Windows

bboy87 said:

silverchild said:

This is one of the J5 cuts I just have to put on heavy rotation everytime...just soulful voices from Michael at 14 years old. Classic! Even though Looking Through The Windows from 1972 wasn't one of their strongest works, it still had some slamming jams on there and this is one of them.

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It's one of my favorites. I've been taking my time with each J5 album. They were so much more than the four #1s, Never Can Say Goodbye, and Dancing Machine

Children Of The Light is another favorite of mine from Looking Through The Windows

Ah yes, Children of the Light is another gem. I've been playing Looking Through The Windows, Skywriter and Get It Together alot lately also and there are just gems on these albums that deserve to be rediscovered. Get It Together has become one of my favorite J5 albums...actually I've come to conclude that its one of their greatest recordings. G.I.T, Don't Say Goodbye Again, Hum Along and Dance, It's Too Late to Change The Time, You Need Love Like I Do...WOW!

Is this Michael? - I'm not sure

greatpink said:

Is this Michael? - I'm not sure

Oh yeah that's him...I assume that this photo is dated back to 1972 or '73. I've never seen this pic before. Beautiful!

greatpink said:

Is this Michael? - I'm not sure

He looked so content here. One would never ever assume what he was "going through" or had "gone through" by looking at this picture. This is how MJ looked when I had my biggest crush on him. The look captured in this picture, and the picture on the cover of the Off the Wall album gave me crushes as a child.

I had hoped that after the anniversary I would stop crying a river every day like a clock, but noooooooo.

And I am not so very "young and sentimental" and was not exactly the biggest fan of him.

What happened to him was just... SO incredibly unfair

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dag said:

Swa said:

Gone Too Soon - The Ian Helperin documentary.

Gone too soon just aired here in Australia (the complete version) and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. The film is respectful, honest and paints for the most part a positive impression of Michael. It wasn't overly salacious as I thought it would be, but tempered with an open and objective point of view. There was no mention of Michael being gay (a salacious point that is a blip in the biography he wrote last year), and the documentary made more of an attempt to understand Michael, what he had been through, and what lay ahead for him.

Halperin uses a few "tabloid" techniques (going "undercover", or shooting a piece from the ambulance that Michael was transported to hospital in) and sometimes presents people with an allusion that they knew Michael without giving real context but he reiterates his belief that Michael was innocent of both abuse allegations and criticises the media that failed to present the facts.

Even when discussing Michael's kids he balances the obvious curiosity about the kids parentage and even alludes to who he thinks fathered them, but in the same breath he says whether or not Michael is their biological father is irrelevant as Michael WAS their father, and a good one at that.

His finally summary gives you an overview of the show, but I would recommend seeing it if you have the opportunity.

"There was a time when I condemned Michael Jackson because I didn't really know who he was, because I didn't really know the true story. After 5 years of piecing it all together, I finally understand what the world has lost. Rest In Peace Michael Jackson"

~~~ did anyone else watch this? Be interested to see other's views who sat through and watched it all ~~~

The second part of the documentary aired over here yesterday and even thought at first, it seemed OK logically, I couldn´t help but to feel furious inside and thinking it over again, I realized why I felt this way.

I don´t think that you can reach „objectivity“ by puttin pozitive and negative opinions together. Nonsense. I was glad at first that some things were said FINALLY, but I realized that they were no good in the end because by mixing pozitive and negative opinions, fans will find there their own thing to make them happy and shut them up, but haters will, too, and guess whose arguments will eventually prevail? The ones of the haters? Why? Here´s an example:

Many people claimed that Mike was a great father, but the public´s opinion of Mike´s paranting skills is based only on pictures of the kids wearing masks and him dangling Blanet over the balcony. That was shown three times! I don´t think that you can persuade someone into believing he was a great father no matter how many people say it when you only show the pictures with masks and that balcony scene. So the argument of the man screaming „how could he do such things to those children?“ won in the end because the argument that he was a good father was not supported by any positive footage of Mike and his kids or some stories on how he raised the kids.

His marriages! Many people expressed their opinions about his marriage to LMP, but why didn´t they let LMP comment on it?

Many people expressing contradictory opinions and how do you expect the public to know what´s what? So in short, another dissapointment.

And I am sorry for confusing you with the love letters to June Chandler. It wasn´t to June Chandler, but some other June who was his spritiual advisor or what. In the small clips, they showed the letter just after speaking about tha Chandler case, so when it said Dear June, I thought it was Chandler.

Thanks for your insight Dag

You might be right in "fans" only taking the positive, and haters latching onto the negative - but the example you gave of the radio DJ mouthing off came across as sensationalist and I think anyone objective would by the time this guy got on realised he was more shock-jock than informed source.

As for why LMP wasn't on it, maybe she wasn't asked - or maybe she didn't want to be part of it.

In all I think the documentary was surprisingly positive and I think for the average viewer it would have helped inform them of Michael's live and made them question their judgements.

As for haters - they will always hate and can't have their minds changes. Just as those fans who think Michael never did anything wrong. Both sides are extremes and won't have their minds changed. Most people however would have viewed it mostly with an open mind, and one would assume at the end would have come out with a positive view of Michael.

Anyone else view the whole thing? Thoughts?

greatpink said:

I had hoped that after the anniversary I would stop crying a river every day like a clock, but noooooooo.

And I am not so very "young and sentimental" and was not exactly the biggest fan of him.

What happened to him was just... SO incredibly unfair

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Is that you in the picture?