phunkdaddy said:

NastradumasKid said:

Here's my list...

Ciara- Ok, I recent heard her new song on the radio...it sucks...she really hasn't had a REAL good song since she debut.

Jay-z- Dude is like well into his 40s and that so-called "retirement" was BS. And that sorry excuse for a song "New York", IMO was terrible.

Usher- I lost interest in him ever since "Confessions"...and here he is, as of 2010, making music that songs more appropriate for someone in their late teens, early 20s, than someone who is in their 30s.

Ashanti- The last song I heard from her was from 5 years ago, and besides she was never good at singing anyway.

Charlie Wilson- He really needs to stop acting like he's 20 years old again...

Ron Isley/Isley Brothers- Same goes for him also. The last album he had from like 4 years ago sucked anyway. Another thing, even though it still cool when it was cut down to a duo, the Isley Brothers were not the same when O Kelly died, Rudolph left, and Marvin got sick (and later died recently) and Jasper left.

R. Kelly- Forget about that "Chocolate Factory" mess, dude hasn't had a decent song since 2002.

Bobby Valentino- Some dude who was in some very little known group, Mista, and his singles are BETTER than his albums.

Prince- I grew up listening to Prince and I love him very much but dude has been acting like a bitch for the past 10+ years and every since he became a JW, which is fine, but he hasn't really been good when it came to his music. And that last album he had...I didn't even need to buy it to know that it was worthless.

Dr. Dre- He just needs to give up...wait over 10 years for a damn album is pointless.

Ja Rule- He needs to forget about ressurecting his already dead career, which was destroyed by 50, and stop whining like a brat because Prince didn't want you to butcher his music for your vanity.

Ginuwine- He has not been relevant in years...

Timbaland- I've lost respect from him a long time ago. partially because of he stole foreign music without paying the original artists or even giving them credit. And also his music/beats sounds generic.

50 cent- Does anyone really care about him anymore?

Lionel Richie- He seriously needs to sit his ass down, he has not been truly relevant since the 80s.

[Edited 6/14/10 2:42am]

Pretty much agree with 99 percent of the list but LMAO at the Charlie Wilson

and Lionel Richie comments.

Why you dissing Mista and Blackberry Molasses Nastra?

[Edited 6/14/10 11:02am]

I'm not dissing Mista, you know very well not many people knew they existed.

shorttrini said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah and people INVITE Stevie to their shit. It ain't like he's saying "I need to be on there!" No the people ASKED STEVIE to come. Maybe that's another reason why he never finish his albums. But I'm sure Stevie don't mind this though lol

I hear you, Timmy. But let's face it, people are inviting him on their stuff based on who he is and the reputation that he has. Thish has very little to do with whether or not he has anything left in his tank. They know that if a person hears that Stevie Wonder is going to appear on their album, it will be a hit. Nobody wants to be the person to tell Stevie that he just does not have it anymore.

Personally I thought A Time to Love was his best album in a while so to me he didn't lose a lot.

Timmy84 said:

shorttrini said:

I hear you, Timmy. But let's face it, people are inviting him on their stuff based on who he is and the reputation that he has. Thish has very little to do with whether or not he has anything left in his tank. They know that if a person hears that Stevie Wonder is going to appear on their album, it will be a hit. Nobody wants to be the person to tell Stevie that he just does not have it anymore.

Personally I thought A Time to Love was his best album in a while so to me he didn't lose a lot.

Hell yeah. it was a solid album, few too many ballads maybe. Overall a great return to form though.

Timmy84 said:

shorttrini said:

I hear you, Timmy. But let's face it, people are inviting him on their stuff based on who he is and the reputation that he has. Thish has very little to do with whether or not he has anything left in his tank. They know that if a person hears that Stevie Wonder is going to appear on their album, it will be a hit. Nobody wants to be the person to tell Stevie that he just does not have it anymore.

Personally I thought A Time to Love was his best album in a while so to me he didn't lose a lot.

But we all agree that Dr. Dre should just give up and Lauryn Hill should too.

'A Time 2 Love' has some great moments,but there are too many ballads on it.I wanted to hear more stuff like "So What The Fuss".Wanted to hear Stevie get funky,instead of a bunch of sappy love songs.

SoulAlive said:

'A Time 2 Love' has some great moments,but there are too many ballads on it.I wanted to hear more stuff like "So What The Fuss".Wanted to hear Stevie get funky,instead of a bunch of sappy love songs.

The opening track, If Your Love Can Not Be Moved is right amongst the top of the list of all time brilliant Stevie Wonder songs for me. Extremely powerful song.

After that there were four or five very good songs throughout the disc, and too many schmaltzy ballads.

I can't see how people could listen to that album and say "he's finsihed". His voice sounded great and he had an album that was half good/half bad.

Let's give it a dignified name...er uh....retirement? Yes these artist should retire from music and pursue other interests.

Ashanti (she really needs to quit....beyonce and ciara buried her long ago)

Solange Knowles (she had the nerve to even try)

Lionel Ritchie (he still livin?)

Eminem (yeah that's right- O>V>E>R)

Springstein ( I can't believe he still performs)

McCartney ( I can't believe he still performs)

Brittney Spears ( I wish she'd get married, preggo and have a nervous breakdown all over again)

Whitney Houston (poor chile)

Lloyd ( he was hot for a minute but the now the timer went off)

Rascal Flats ( I'd rather they succumb to meteor)

Tony Bennet ( he is just too damned old to even pee)

Marrk said:

errant said:

I can't help but tie that avatar of yours with those same sentences. Before he died, anyway.

Be grateful, At least he had the sense to break from it. Not much filler in his catalogue it has to be said. Quality over quantity.

A new Prince release? these days i wince at Prince.

50% of HIStory and Invincible were filler. Probably 30% or so of Bad and Dangerous. MJ fans are lucky that he was so lazy.

DesireeNevermind said:

Let's give it a dignified name...er uh....retirement? Yes these artist should retire from music and pursue other interests.

Ashanti (she really needs to quit....beyonce and ciara buried her long ago)

Solange Knowles (she had the nerve to even try)

Lionel Ritchie (he still livin?)

Eminem (yeah that's right- O>V>E>R)

Springstein ( I can't believe he still performs)

McCartney ( I can't believe he still performs)

Brittney Spears ( I wish she'd get married, preggo and have a nervous breakdown all over again)

Whitney Houston (poor chile)

Lloyd ( he was hot for a minute but the now the timer went off)

Rascal Flats ( I'd rather they succumb to meteor)

Tony Bennet ( he is just too damned old to even pee)

I agree with everyone on this your except McCartney. I'm not a huge fan but I do think he still puts on a pretty darn good show and has had some decent songs recently.

And for the record, I'll one up you on Rascal Flats by saying I'd rather choke on my own dog's balls than hear anything from them ever again. They're about as interesting as driftwood.

Fenwick said:

DesireeNevermind said:

Let's give it a dignified name...er uh....retirement? Yes these artist should retire from music and pursue other interests.

Ashanti (she really needs to quit....beyonce and ciara buried her long ago)

Solange Knowles (she had the nerve to even try)

Lionel Ritchie (he still livin?)

Eminem (yeah that's right- O>V>E>R)

Springstein ( I can't believe he still performs)

McCartney ( I can't believe he still performs)

Brittney Spears ( I wish she'd get married, preggo and have a nervous breakdown all over again)

Whitney Houston (poor chile)

Lloyd ( he was hot for a minute but the now the timer went off)

Rascal Flats ( I'd rather they succumb to meteor)

Tony Bennet ( he is just too damned old to even pee)

I agree with everyone on this your except McCartney. I'm not a huge fan but I do think he still puts on a pretty darn good show and has had some decent songs recently.

And for the record, I'll one up you on Rascal Flats by saying I'd rather choke on my own dog's balls than hear anything from them ever again. They're about as interesting as driftwood.

now that's committment to the cause.

poetcorner61 said:

shorttrini said:

Ok. So I am here watching the 25th Anniversary Rock & Roll Hall of Fame concert, and it got me to thinking..."What artist do you think show just "call it a day and just go home". Here are my choices.

1. Stevie Wonder - As much as he is a legend, in my opinion, he just does not have it anymore. His voice is not what it used to be.

2. Madonna - Her best days are behind her, as far as I am concerned. She has not released anything of substance, since "Erotica".

3. Paul Simon - Same as Madonna....His last great album was "Graceland".

4. Quincy Jones - After the "We are the world" and Strawberry Letter 23" incidents, he has a room waiting for him at Bellvue.

5. Janet Jackson - As long as she continues to make music for the hearing impaired, she will never be what she was in my book.

6. Anita Baker - Can we say, "National Anthem"

7. John Legend - The only good thing that he put out was his debut, after that it was all down hill.

This is what I came up with so far. What about you guys...

I agree with Quincy, John Legend, ..Stevie maybe...I just think that music is just not what it is anymore..live instruments and funk was his THING...and while he still did use live instruments on his album...the "umph" factor was not there. But My Love Is On Fire and So Whats The Fuss were hot tunes in my opinion.

I totally disagree with Madonna...not after the biggest selling female tour of all time behind her....u serious?

AAnd...Hard Candy was my favorite Madonna album after "Madonna".

errant said:

Marrk said:

Be grateful, At least he had the sense to break from it. Not much filler in his catalogue it has to be said. Quality over quantity.

A new Prince release? these days i wince at Prince.

50% of HIStory and Invincible were filler. Probably 30% or so of Bad and Dangerous. MJ fans are lucky that he was so lazy.

I agree with you on Invincible and Dangerous. But Bad and History are almost perfect to me, my favourite albums of his. So no, not really that lucky. Blood On The Dancefloor (another favourite of mine) proves he should of released more albums even if they were EP's or remixes.

I don't like telling anyone to quit doing what they want to do if they're not hurting anyone.

What if someone came to you at your job and said "You know, the burger you flipped wasn't as good as the one you flipped 3 weeks ago. Maybe you should hang it up".

I may not like 90% of the music and musicians out today, but I damn sure ain't gonna tell anybody to "hang it up".

Arnotts said:

errant said:

50% of HIStory and Invincible were filler. Probably 30% or so of Bad and Dangerous. MJ fans are lucky that he was so lazy.

I agree with you on Invincible and Dangerous. But Bad and History are almost perfect to me, my favourite albums of his. So no, not really that lucky. Blood On The Dancefloor (another favourite of mine) proves he should of released more albums even if they were EP's or remixes.

I think Bad is a perfect pop album and Dangerous is not far behind even though Dangerous is Michael's 2nd best selling album ever.

Harlepolis said:

shorttrini said:

I hear you, Timmy. But let's face it, people are inviting him on their stuff based on who he is and the reputation that he has. Thish has very little to do with whether or not he has anything left in his tank. They know that if a person hears that Stevie Wonder is going to appear on their album, it will be a hit. Nobody wants to be the person to tell Stevie that he just does not have it anymore.

Trini, what did you think of "A Time To Love"?

I thought that it was very uneven. There were too many ballads for my tastes and I love Stevie's ballads. I listen to it once in a blue moon. I'm more a fan of 70's Stevie, "Talking Book", "Inner Visions", those albums stirred something inside me. I can say that about his more recent material.

Arnotts said:

errant said:

50% of HIStory and Invincible were filler. Probably 30% or so of Bad and Dangerous. MJ fans are lucky that he was so lazy.

I agree with you on Invincible and Dangerous. But Bad and History are almost perfect to me, my favourite albums of his. So no, not really that lucky. Blood On The Dancefloor (another favourite of mine) proves he should of released more albums even if they were EP's or remixes.

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Scream

They Don't Care About Us

Stranger In Moscow

This Time Around

Earth Song

D.S.

Money

Come Together

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Tabloid Junkie

2 Bad

History

Little Susie

Smile

well gosh darn it, I was wrong. Bad was almost 50% too. I always remember it being better than it is. I guess because I usually skip those tracks.

errant said:

Arnotts said:

I agree with you on Invincible and Dangerous. But Bad and History are almost perfect to me, my favourite albums of his. So no, not really that lucky. Blood On The Dancefloor (another favourite of mine) proves he should of released more albums even if they were EP's or remixes.

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Scream

They Don't Care About Us

Stranger In Moscow

This Time Around

Earth Song

D.S.

Money

Come Together

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Tabloid Junkie

2 Bad

History

Little Susie

Smile

well gosh darn it, I was wrong. Bad was almost 50% too. I always remember it being better than it is. I guess because I usually skip those tracks.

Man alive are our tastes similar. I would most definitely put Another Part of Me and Liberian Girl back in the good pile from your list, (except for the ridiculously cornball female intro on LIberian Girl) and believe it or not, I would put Dirty Diana in the bad pile.

Totally agree with your History list except I think you need to revisit Tabloid Junkie. Killer chorus.

errant said:

Arnotts said:

I agree with you on Invincible and Dangerous. But Bad and History are almost perfect to me, my favourite albums of his. So no, not really that lucky. Blood On The Dancefloor (another favourite of mine) proves he should of released more albums even if they were EP's or remixes.

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

"Liberian Girl" and "Another Part of Me" are two of the album's best songs (#3 and #4 IMO).

Fenwick said:

errant said:

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Scream

They Don't Care About Us

Stranger In Moscow

This Time Around

Earth Song

D.S.

Money

Come Together

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Tabloid Junkie

2 Bad

History

Little Susie

Smile

well gosh darn it, I was wrong. Bad was almost 50% too. I always remember it being better than it is. I guess because I usually skip those tracks.

Man alive are our tastes similar. I would most definitely put Another Part of Me and Liberian Girl back in the good pile from your list, (except for the ridiculously cornball female intro on LIberian Girl) and believe it or not, I would put Dirty Diana in the bad pile.

Totally agree with your History list except I think you need to revisit Tabloid Junkie. Killer chorus.

I used to like Tabloid Junie a lot, but I tired of it quickly. Of the ones I marked out, it's the only marginal one for me. Come Together is fine too but I have no idea why it was put on that album 7 years later and after it had already shown up as a b-side a few years earlier.

AlexdeParis said:

errant said:

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

"Liberian Girl" and "Another Part of Me" are two of the album's best songs (#3 and #4 IMO).

Liberian Girl is nice. And it's an interesting track by MJ standards. But it puts me to sleep. Another Part Of Me is.... I like it, but it's fairly generic compared to the stronger tracks, IMO.

shorttrini said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah and people INVITE Stevie to their shit. It ain't like he's saying "I need to be on there!" No the people ASKED STEVIE to come. Maybe that's another reason why he never finish his albums. But I'm sure Stevie don't mind this though lol

I hear you, Timmy. But let's face it, people are inviting him on their stuff based on who he is and the reputation that he has. Thish has very little to do with whether or not he has anything left in his tank. They know that if a person hears that Stevie Wonder is going to appear on their album, it will be a hit. Nobody wants to be the person to tell Stevie that he just does not have it anymore.

Maybe nobody wants to tell him he doesn't have it anymore because they don't feel that way, seeing as he's still pretty strong vocally and musically?

Obviously everyone has different opinions, and given my username and avatar, I'm going to be a bit biased.... but I just find it amazing that an artist like Stevie Wonder or Prince is one of the names in here as someone who should just retire from the music business? I just find that incredible, when there are tons of artists who are a hell of a lot less talented than them. Not every album is going to be a Sign O The Times or a an Innervisions.

Personally, I thought A Time To Love was his best album since Hotter Than July: So What The Fuss, A Time To Love, If Your Love Cannot Be Moved, My Love Is On Fire and Please Don't Hurt My Baby were all classic Stevie.

And even if you don't like his recent material, doesn't this man have a back catalog big enough? Who the hell complains about a guy with a massive amount of hits jamming with an all-live band, doing completely live music for 2 and a half to 3 hours at each show?

*On MJ's HIStory, tons of those tracks being listed as "bad" have awesome production and replay factor when you appreciate things like the background vocals and string sections. Of course, that's totally subjective and just my opinion, but I have found that HIStory, more than any other album, bennefits from repeat listenings. I also enjoy the vocals on Smile, even if musically and lyrically it's a bit corny.

Anyways, just my .02, but if Stevie and Prince are being asked to retire because of their quality, then our standards must be so high that we may as well just ask music to cease existance.

[Edited 6/15/10 2:28am]

AlexdeParis said:

"Liberian Girl" and "Another Part of Me" are two of the album's best songs (#3 and #4 IMO).

I agree In fact,those are my two favorite songs on that album.

Those two songs and "Man In The Mirror" are the highlights of that album.The remaining songs are either mediocre ("The Way You Make Me Feel",title track) or just plain lousy ("Speed Demon","Smooth Criminal").

SoulAlive said:

AlexdeParis said:

"Liberian Girl" and "Another Part of Me" are two of the album's best songs (#3 and #4 IMO).

I agree In fact,those are my two favorite songs on that album.

Those two songs and "Man In The Mirror" are the highlights of that album.The remaining songs are either mediocre ("The Way You Make Me Feel",title track) or just plain lousy ("Speed Demon","Smooth Criminal").

oh no SoulAlive...no sir. I refuse to let you talk about my favorite songs like that.

missfee said:

SoulAlive said:

I agree In fact,those are my two favorite songs on that album.

Those two songs and "Man In The Mirror" are the highlights of that album.The remaining songs are either mediocre ("The Way You Make Me Feel",title track) or just plain lousy ("Speed Demon","Smooth Criminal").

oh no SoulAlive...no sir. I refuse to let you talk about my favorite songs like that.

Superstition said:

shorttrini said:

I hear you, Timmy. But let's face it, people are inviting him on their stuff based on who he is and the reputation that he has. Thish has very little to do with whether or not he has anything left in his tank. They know that if a person hears that Stevie Wonder is going to appear on their album, it will be a hit. Nobody wants to be the person to tell Stevie that he just does not have it anymore.

Obviously everyone has different opinions, and given my username and avatar, I'm going to be a bit biased.... but I just find it amazing that an artist like Stevie Wonder or Prince is one of the names in here as someone who should just retire from the music business? I just find that incredible, when there are tons of artists who are a hell of a lot less talented than them. Not every album is going to be a Sign O The Times or a an Innervisions.

I actually agree with this.

Prince & Stevie might not bring us work thats in the same caliber as say "Talking Book" or "Sign O' The Times", but they still can deliver ON STAGE which is a saving grace considering that there're people who could pass as their grand children but don't even have the same energy, drive or freshness they do possesse. Hell, some of their peers can't shape themselves up nowadays either.

True, they're content with themselves now(why shouldn't they be) but you never know when inspiration strikes, and when it happens, hopefully they'll release something from it.

I'm not ready for Prince & Stevie to throw the towels yet, either.

errant said:

Arnotts said:

I agree with you on Invincible and Dangerous. But Bad and History are almost perfect to me, my favourite albums of his. So no, not really that lucky. Blood On The Dancefloor (another favourite of mine) proves he should of released more albums even if they were EP's or remixes.

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Scream

They Don't Care About Us

Stranger In Moscow

This Time Around

Earth Song

D.S.

Money

Come Together

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Tabloid Junkie

2 Bad

History

Little Susie

Smile

well gosh darn it, I was wrong. Bad was almost 50% too. I always remember it being better than it is. I guess because I usually skip those tracks.

Well I do still think your wrong as I wouldnt of crossed out most the songs you did.

Mine would be

Bad

The Way You Make Me Feel

Speed Demon

Liberian Girl

Just Good Friends

Another Part Of Me

Man In The Mirror

I Just Can't Stop Loving You

Dirty Diana

Smooth Criminal

Leave Me Alone

Scream

They Don't Care About Us

Stranger In Moscow

This Time Around

Earth Song

D.S.

Money

Come Together

You Are Not Alone

Childhood

Tabloid Junkie

2 Bad

History

Little Susie

Smile

There would be alot more crosses on Dangerous and Invincible though. Hell most of Off The Wall would be crossed out by me and replaced with Destiny and Triumph songs.

seeingvoices12 said:

Marrk said:

Your thumb'll sure get tired hitting the skip button all day long.

I'd take Prince's Crystal Ball release over the BEST of Mj's ENTIRE career output.

Arnotts said:

'Off The Wall' is Michael's best album!