PDogz said:

TD3 said:

Woolfolk hooks up with the group on special occasions but these days I think he's doing session work/projects.

Thanks. He and Phillip Bailey made magic on "Reasons".

I like the their original sax player Don Myrick. He played on the original live version, unfortunately he passed away some years ago.

PDogz said:

TD3 said:

Woolfolk hooks up with the group on special occasions but these days I think he's doing session work/projects.

Thanks. He and Phillip Bailey made magic on "Reasons".

I like the their original sax player Don Myrick. He played on the original live version, unfortunately he passed away some years ago.

[Edited 6/12/10 19:58pm]

PDogz said:

TD3 said:

Woolfolk hooks up with the group on special occasions but these days I think he's doing session work/projects.

Thanks. He and Phillip Bailey made magic on "Reasons".

You are welcome. Yes they did....

Just speculation....

As with Rolling Stones bassist Bill Wyman & Fleetwodd Mac Keyboardist Christine McVie, I think it gets old and you've been their done that like upteem times. . . it's time to move on.

TonyVanDam said:

errant said:

16 responses and no one's said Prince yet. shocking

That is because Prince's lawyers still have tabs on THIS site.

But not Jay-Z's Illuminati?

SoulAlive said:

AlexdeParis said:

Haven't we had this conversation before? "Bad Girl" and "Deeper and Deeper" are better than anything on Hard Candy, but the vast majority of Hard Candy is better than anything else on Erotica. Only the terrible last 2 songs of True Blue save Erotica from being Madonna's worst album.

'Erotica' is my favorite Madonna album I enjoy 'Hard Candy' too.It's not one of her most amazing albums,but it's alot of fun.Alot of great grooves throughout."Miles Away" is one of the best songs she has ever done.'Confessions On A Dancefloor' is her best album of the last decade.

still continuing to embarrass yourself with this Miles Away fetish, I see

INteresting views...

I think we should separate the performances from the recordings....for this reason..

Take EWF for example....

Let's say Maurice did not have Parkinsons.....he would still be 69 years old this year December..

Now do you honestly think that he, along with the others...EVEN IF the original 9 was to re-group, would be able to physically entertain the way they did nearly 35 years ago?? would their performances be boring if they did September, etc...and moved with less energy than they used to and for all of us who remember the 70s...what would we say when we look back and inevitably compare.....

I can see folk...."They too slow".... Look at Phil...he's overweight...he dont move like he used to...If u got eh best out of an EWF performance today with all originals..it would STILL not be able to compare to the spark, energy and vitality of the 70s because of each one's advanced age....Even if they performed some of their songs that dont normally show up in concert performances.....

Do we continue to celebrate Tina Turner, for ex....because she can still rock those High heels..even though she might not perform to the frenzy of her younger days in Proud Mary?

How do you draw that proverbial line where U allow for some inevitable deterioration in performance but still allow for that artist to do their thing...

U2 will slow down one day...Rollin stones....hey, yes, even them too...

Its a fact...we grow old...and certain performers who rely on physicality as well as visual and vocals will not be able to perform as they used to...

Now for sure...there would be MAJOR cache if Maurice was there...regardless if he didnt move like he used too...but people would still compare them to their heyday...be honest.....

Now if these same artists can rock it in the studio...vocals in tact, etc...let them carry on...but U have to define what U want from your legends when they reach that age when the physical starts to fail them......human nature will take over and folk will complain that these artists dont do it like they used to...as if any one if us fans can either......

What might be useful is for us to figure out which artists/legends have a better chance of surving their "senior" years than others....

[Edited 6/13/10 6:05am]

[Edited 6/13/10 6:13am]

Allnall said:

INteresting views...

I think we should separate the performances from the recordings....for this reason..

Take EWF for example....

Let's say Maurice did not have Parkinsons.....he would still be 69 years old this year December..

Now do you honestly think that he, along with the others...EVEN IF the original 9 was to re-group, would be able to physically entertain the way they did nearly 35 years ago??

I can see folk...."They too slow".... Look at Phil...he's overweight...he dont move like he used to...If u got eh best out of an EWF performance today with all originals..it would STILL not be able to compare to the spark, energy and vitality of the 70s because of each one's advanced age....

U2 will slow down one day...Rollin stones....hey, yes, even them too...

Its a fact...we grow old...and certain performers who rely on physicality as well as visual and vocals will not be able to perform as they used to...

Now for sure...there would be MAJOR cache if Maurice was there...regardless if he didnt move like he used too...but people would still compare them to their heyday...be honest...

Now if these same artists can rock it in the studio...vocals in tact, etc...let them carry on...but U have to define what U want from your legends when they reach that age when the physical starts to fail them......human nature will take over and folk will complain that these artists dont do it like they used to...as if any one if us fans can either......

What might be useful is for us to figure out which artists/legends have a better chance of surving their "senior" years than others....

I think recordings and performances go hand in hand. Why? Well, if the material is bad, then there is no way in hell, it going to sound any better live. The only thing that might save that performer, would be them doing their old hits, as is the case with EW&F or Madonna for that matter. Someone made a comment that they would take half a Stevie than a whole Stevie. While that's all well and good, that does not force or motivate the artist to write or look for better material. It's almost as if they are taking some of their fans for granted by releasing sub-par material or putting on sub-par shows.

Ashanti - She's just not relevant anymore, and I'm not sure if she ever was

Keri Hilson - Extremely non-talented and can't sing nor dance worth a damn live...somebody take her polaroid and tell her that she needs to be dismissed.

Beyawnce - Unfortunately, she isn't going to go away without a fight, but when that day comes when her career sizzles (and that day WILL DEFINITELY come) I will be so

Rhianna - She's just a hype artist and the only reason why people still checking for her is because they feel sorry for her ass over that CB incident that she most likely provoked. 10 years from now people will be like "Remember that Rhianna girl?"

Ciara - Though her singing isn't relevant, homegirl can at least dance her ass off, but for the most part, she's just eye candy anyway

Usher - To me he's pulling a "Hammer" stunt right now, lowering his standards to reach the current audience. It's.not.going.to.work.Usher.

The Rolling Stones - Seriously, who enjoys watching skeletons still trying to rock on stage???

[Edited 6/13/10 6:40am]

Hudson said:

Every rapper and reggae artist.

You haven't heard Morgan Heritage if you believe that. One of the best reggae bands ever.

missfee said:

Ashanti - She's just not relevant anymore, and I'm not sure if she ever was

Keri Hilson - Extremely non-talented and can't sing nor dance worth a damn live...somebody take her polaroid and tell her that she needs to be dismissed.

Beyawnce - Unfortunately, she isn't going to go away without a fight, but when that day comes when her career sizzles (and that day WILL DEFINITELY come) I will be so

Rhianna - She's just a hype artist and the only reason why people still checking for her is because they feel sorry for her ass over that CB incident that she most likely provoked. 10 years from now people will be like "Remember that Rhianna girl?"

Ciara - Though her singing isn't relevant, homegirl can at least dance her ass off, but for the most part, she's just eye candy anyway

Usher - To me he's pulling a "Hammer" stunt right now, lowering his standards to reach the current audience. It's.not.going.to.work.Usher.

The Rolling Stones - Seriously, who enjoys watching skeletons still trying to rock on stage???

[Edited 6/13/10 6:40am]

Great list, Fee. I could not agree more about Usher, I don't know what happened. He was better when he was telling Jermaine's story on "Confessions".

TonyVanDam said:

1. Rhianna -- Even if she is a member of Jay-Z's Illuminati-inspired Roc Nation crew, it will NEVER exclude that fact that her live performances gets worse every year. And also, I freaking sick and tired of her "Dark Rhianna" persona. Her ass has got to go.

2. R. Kelly -- This artist has not released an album worth having since 12 Play. Every new album since had tracks that contained THE SAME chord progressions as the tracks on 12 Play. Since it's common knowledge about R's lust for underage girls, I can NEVER hear his earlier songs the same way again.

3. Queen -- watching/listening to this without the late Freddie Mercury is like Culture Club WITHOUT Boy George, Genesis WITHOUT Phil Collins, Kool & The Gang WITHOUT Robert "Kool" Bell or JT Taylor.........It's so wrong, It's not natural, and Brian May & Roger Taylor needs to be ashamed of themselves for letting this "Queen + ______" project goes on like this.

4. Whitney Houston -- Why the f*** did she listen to Clive Davis is beyond me. But as the world public knows, Whitney's past drug problems has damage her once great singing vocals. She's done.

5. Jermaine Dupri -- With exceptions for Mariah, JD can no longer produced tracks for himself OR other artist that are worth buying. He growing failures of trying to make great beats for then-girlfriend Janet Jackson was his ultimate downfall that put a damage to an otherwise good looking resume of hits that he has produces for other artists through the years. JD's time to retire is overdue.

Hold on there, 'Chocolate Factory" was the last great R. Kelly dropped because he was actually playing/writing music again like on Born Into The 90's/R. Kelly (1995). But then he wanted 2 be forvever young and we got bombs like TP3,Double Up, and Untitled, lol

diamondpearl1 said:

TonyVanDam said:

1. Rhianna -- Even if she is a member of Jay-Z's Illuminati-inspired Roc Nation crew, it will NEVER exclude that fact that her live performances gets worse every year. And also, I freaking sick and tired of her "Dark Rhianna" persona. Her ass has got to go.

2. R. Kelly -- This artist has not released an album worth having since 12 Play. Every new album since had tracks that contained THE SAME chord progressions as the tracks on 12 Play. Since it's common knowledge about R's lust for underage girls, I can NEVER hear his earlier songs the same way again.

3. Queen -- watching/listening to this without the late Freddie Mercury is like Culture Club WITHOUT Boy George, Genesis WITHOUT Phil Collins, Kool & The Gang WITHOUT Robert "Kool" Bell or JT Taylor.........It's so wrong, It's not natural, and Brian May & Roger Taylor needs to be ashamed of themselves for letting this "Queen + ______" project goes on like this.

4. Whitney Houston -- Why the f*** did she listen to Clive Davis is beyond me. But as the world public knows, Whitney's past drug problems has damage her once great singing vocals. She's done.

5. Jermaine Dupri -- With exceptions for Mariah, JD can no longer produced tracks for himself OR other artist that are worth buying. He growing failures of trying to make great beats for then-girlfriend Janet Jackson was his ultimate downfall that put a damage to an otherwise good looking resume of hits that he has produces for other artists through the years. JD's time to retire is overdue.

Hold on there, 'Chocolate Factory" was the last great R. Kelly dropped because he was actually playing/writing music again like on Born Into The 90's/R. Kelly (1995). But then he wanted 2 be forvever young and we got bombs like TP3,Double Up, and Untitled, lol

Are people scared to mention Prince? lol

IAintTheOne said:

diamondpearl1 said:

Hold on there, 'Chocolate Factory" was the last great R. Kelly dropped because he was actually playing/writing music again like on Born Into The 90's/R. Kelly (1995). But then he wanted 2 be forvever young and we got bombs like TP3,Double Up, and Untitled, lol

Are people scared to mention Prince? lol

I was waiting for you, Ness. I KNOW you have your our views on this...

shorttrini said:

Ok. So I am here watching the 25th Anniversary Rock & Roll Hall of Fame concert, and it got me to thinking..."What artist do you think show just "call it a day and just go home". Here are my choices.

1. Stevie Wonder - As much as he is a legend, in my opinion, he just does not have it anymore. His voice is not what it used to be.

2. Madonna - Her best days are behind her, as far as I am concerned. She has not released anything of substance, since "Erotica".

3. Paul Simon - Same as Madonna....His last great album was "Graceland".

4. Quincy Jones - After the "We are the world" and Strawberry Letter 23" incidents, he has a room waiting for him at Bellvue.

5. Janet Jackson - As long as she continues to make music for the hearing impaired, she will never be what she was in my book.

6. Anita Baker - Can we say, "National Anthem"

7. John Legend - The only good thing that he put out was his debut, after that it was all down hill.

This is what I came up with so far. What about you guys...

Stevie Wonder and John Legend both have a lot of gas in their tanks. Stevie is always working on something whether or not he's releasing an album. He's starred on many other people's tracks and has produced a few for others, as well as released a new song here or there.

It's not like the market is saturated with Stevie products... he's pretty easy to avoid if you don't want to hear him.

Superstition said:

shorttrini said:

Ok. So I am here watching the 25th Anniversary Rock & Roll Hall of Fame concert, and it got me to thinking..."What artist do you think show just "call it a day and just go home". Here are my choices.

1. Stevie Wonder - As much as he is a legend, in my opinion, he just does not have it anymore. His voice is not what it used to be.

2. Madonna - Her best days are behind her, as far as I am concerned. She has not released anything of substance, since "Erotica".

3. Paul Simon - Same as Madonna....His last great album was "Graceland".

4. Quincy Jones - After the "We are the world" and Strawberry Letter 23" incidents, he has a room waiting for him at Bellvue.

5. Janet Jackson - As long as she continues to make music for the hearing impaired, she will never be what she was in my book.

6. Anita Baker - Can we say, "National Anthem"

7. John Legend - The only good thing that he put out was his debut, after that it was all down hill.

This is what I came up with so far. What about you guys...

Stevie Wonder and John Legend both have a lot of gas in their tanks. Stevie is always working on something whether or not he's releasing an album. He's starred on many other people's tracks and has produced a few for others, as well as released a new song here or there.

It's not like the market is saturated with Stevie products... he's pretty easy to avoid if you don't want to hear him.

It's not the fact that I don't want to hear him, I think Stevie is a legend and a master at his craft. I have said here many times, that SITKOL, should be required listening in schools. That being said, his voice is not what it used to be, and neither is some of his material. As for John, his material has been sub-par since the first album. I call him the "Black Tony Bennett", because he bores the shit out of me, with what he has been doing since his debut.

shorttrini said:

IAintTheOne said:

Are people scared to mention Prince? lol

I was waiting for you, Ness. I KNOW you have your our views on this...

It's obvious

shorttrini said:

sexyfunkystrange said:

I would exclude Madonna.

Both Ray of Light and Confessions on a Dance Floor outsold as well as musically exceeded Erotica. And unlike the rest, shes continued to score top 10 singles throughout the decade. That alone sets her apart and disqualifies her from the list.

Just because they outsold the rest, does not mean that they are any good. A good example of what I mean would be "Thriller". Yes, it did make and break records, but that does not mean that it was a good album. It just means that MJ, had a great marketing strategy and team. Musically, Madonna's best album was her first and Michael's was, "Off The Wall".

I know a lot of people have problems with MJ but Thriller is a good record when you sell 40 million copies around the world you are not just working off of hype. Artist today only wish they could sell that many copies and actually put out that quality of music.

Also disagree with you on Stevie Wonder. Dude has been selling out venues for the last two years or so and getting rave reviews. I will go with you on John Legend as I have never witnesses live audiences so unmoved by a performer. He never had it from the jump and no amount of marketing can make people feel a performer.

lastdecember said:

But why should anyone hang it up so to speak? The quality of material is judged by us, they might feel different, i mean in the acting field most get better with age, and do their best work when older not younger, best examples Tom Hanks and Sean Penn, lets talk about the garbage movies these two did early and then what they did later in their careers.

So to say hang it up to someone like Elton John, i mean if that was the case had he hung it up in the 90's then his best album in 25 years "songs from the west coast" would never have been made. I think it should be more applied to artists to accept their age and who they are now (mariah and others) I mean some like Mariah and yes even Prince need a change, Mariah needs a HUGE change in everything, Prince just needs to stop the RB shit, cut it out, let it go, RB doesnt care about you unless you do one of those painting by number ballads you have been doing since "do me baby". But again i would never say Prince hang it up, what the fuck is the alternative out there, cause these new jacks aint getting shit done, and dont give me Lady GaGa one fucking album phenom, or Amy Crackhouse another one album wonder, they has done nothing, so im not telling the older cats to take a hike cause i dont trust these new jacks with shit, because they aint got it.

RB doesnt care about you unless you do one of those painting by number ballads you have been doing since "do me baby". "

Wow this is so typical of the attitude toward RnB on this board. P should never stop performing RnB music because that is his base. His RnB cuts always get play on RnB stations that have the grown and sexy format. In addtion, he is the only RnB star from the 80's that never sold out completly to pop music. Once again if you don't know anything about RnB just don't comment.

IAintTheOne said:

diamondpearl1 said:

Hold on there, 'Chocolate Factory" was the last great R. Kelly dropped because he was actually playing/writing music again like on Born Into The 90's/R. Kelly (1995). But then he wanted 2 be forvever young and we got bombs like TP3,Double Up, and Untitled, lol

Are people scared to mention Prince? lol

nobody is scared too mention Prince. Most people on this board are fans and don't want to see P stop performing live or put out new material. His bad songs are still better than most of the crap on the radio as hard as it is for some to admit it.

laurarichardson said:

shorttrini said:

Just because they outsold the rest, does not mean that they are any good. A good example of what I mean would be "Thriller". Yes, it did make and break records, but that does not mean that it was a good album. It just means that MJ, had a great marketing strategy and team. Musically, Madonna's best album was her first and Michael's was, "Off The Wall".

I know a lot of people have problems with MJ but Thriller is a good record when you sell 40 million copies around the world you are not just working off of hype. Artist today only wish they could sell that many copies and actually put out that quality of music.

Also disagree with you on Stevie Wonder. Dude has been selling out venues for the last two years or so and getting rave reviews. I will go with you on John Legend as I have never witnesses live audiences so unmoved by a performer. He never had it from the jump and no amount of marketing can make people feel a performer.

As I said before, just because your album sells 40 or you manage to sell out an arena, does not mean that what you have put out, is any good. I just means that you have been in the business a long time and that your rep, preceeds you. If MJ had not have passed on, the material from "Thriller" would not be in rotation as it is. "Off The Wall", is a better sounding, more cohesive album than "Thriller". As for Stevie, again, the fact that he is selling out venues has little to do with material and more to do with his "superstar", status. Stevie will never recapture the days of old.

Every single one of the current artists out today. That way, the bullshit would go out of style and good music could come back.

Allnall said:

INteresting views...

I think we should separate the performances from the recordings....for this reason..

Take EWF for example....

Let's say Maurice did not have Parkinsons.....he would still be 69 years old this year December..

Now do you honestly think that he, along with the others...EVEN IF the original 9 was to re-group, would be able to physically entertain the way they did nearly 35 years ago?? would their performances be boring if they did September, etc...and moved with less energy than they used to and for all of us who remember the 70s...what would we say when we look back and inevitably compare.....

I can see folk...."They too slow".... Look at Phil...he's overweight...he dont move like he used to...If u got eh best out of an EWF performance today with all originals..it would STILL not be able to compare to the spark, energy and vitality of the 70s because of each one's advanced age....Even if they performed some of their songs that dont normally show up in concert performances.....

Do we continue to celebrate Tina Turner, for ex....because she can still rock those High heels..even though she might not perform to the frenzy of her younger days in Proud Mary?

How do you draw that proverbial line where U allow for some inevitable deterioration in performance but still allow for that artist to do their thing...

U2 will slow down one day...Rollin stones....hey, yes, even them too...

Its a fact...we grow old...and certain performers who rely on physicality as well as visual and vocals will not be able to perform as they used to...

Now for sure...there would be MAJOR cache if Maurice was there...regardless if he didnt move like he used too...but people would still compare them to their heyday...be honest.....

Now if these same artists can rock it in the studio...vocals in tact, etc...let them carry on...but U have to define what U want from your legends when they reach that age when the physical starts to fail them......human nature will take over and folk will complain that these artists dont do it like they used to...as if any one if us fans can either......

What might be useful is for us to figure out which artists/legends have a better chance of surving their "senior" years than others....

[Edited 6/13/10 6:05am]

[Edited 6/13/10 6:13am]

Good observation.

I think even if Maurice didn't have Parkinson's i think he still would have relegated

himself to studio work with maybe guest appearances here and there on tour.

A lot of it has to do with keeping good health. If you feel good and don't abuse your body

then you probably can continue to perform into your sixties.

Look at Smokey Robinson and Otis Williams. These guys are still going strong and

Smokey appears to be in great health. My fear is when it's time for the great bands(funk,rock)

to hang it up, it's going to be an end of and era especially funk because you have

two generations of artists in R&B that don't play music and some artists outside the continent

are gonna try to tell you how to play funk when they didn't create it.

[Edited 6/13/10 12:21pm]

[Edited 6/13/10 12:21pm]

phunkdaddy said:

Allnall said:

INteresting views...

I think we should separate the performances from the recordings....for this reason..

Take EWF for example....

Let's say Maurice did not have Parkinsons.....he would still be 69 years old this year December..

Now do you honestly think that he, along with the others...EVEN IF the original 9 was to re-group, would be able to physically entertain the way they did nearly 35 years ago?? would their performances be boring if they did September, etc...and moved with less energy than they used to and for all of us who remember the 70s...what would we say when we look back and inevitably compare.....

I can see folk...."They too slow".... Look at Phil...he's overweight...he dont move like he used to...If u got eh best out of an EWF performance today with all originals..it would STILL not be able to compare to the spark, energy and vitality of the 70s because of each one's advanced age....Even if they performed some of their songs that dont normally show up in concert performances.....

Do we continue to celebrate Tina Turner, for ex....because she can still rock those High heels..even though she might not perform to the frenzy of her younger days in Proud Mary?

How do you draw that proverbial line where U allow for some inevitable deterioration in performance but still allow for that artist to do their thing...

U2 will slow down one day...Rollin stones....hey, yes, even them too...

Its a fact...we grow old...and certain performers who rely on physicality as well as visual and vocals will not be able to perform as they used to...

Now for sure...there would be MAJOR cache if Maurice was there...regardless if he didnt move like he used too...but people would still compare them to their heyday...be honest.....

Now if these same artists can rock it in the studio...vocals in tact, etc...let them carry on...but U have to define what U want from your legends when they reach that age when the physical starts to fail them......human nature will take over and folk will complain that these artists dont do it like they used to...as if any one if us fans can either......

What might be useful is for us to figure out which artists/legends have a better chance of surving their "senior" years than others....

[Edited 6/13/10 6:05am]

[Edited 6/13/10 6:13am]

Good observation.

I think even if Maurice didn't have Parkinson's i think he still would have relegated

himself to studio work with maybe guest appearances here and there on tour.

A lot of it has to do with keeping good health. If you feel good and don't abuse your body

then you probably can continue to perform into your sixties.

Look at Smokey Robinson and Otis Williams. These guys are still going strong and

Smokey appears to be in great health. My fear is when it's time for the great bands(funk,rock)

to hang it up, it's going to be an end of and era especially funk because you have

two generations of artists in R&B that don't play music and some artists outside the continent

are gonna try to tell you how to play funk when they didn't create it.

[Edited 6/13/10 12:21pm]

[Edited 6/13/10 12:21pm]

OMG did you say Smokey??? [img:$uid]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/5.gif[/img:$uid]

shorttrini said:

laurarichardson said:

I know a lot of people have problems with MJ but Thriller is a good record when you sell 40 million copies around the world you are not just working off of hype. Artist today only wish they could sell that many copies and actually put out that quality of music.

Also disagree with you on Stevie Wonder. Dude has been selling out venues for the last two years or so and getting rave reviews. I will go with you on John Legend as I have never witnesses live audiences so unmoved by a performer. He never had it from the jump and no amount of marketing can make people feel a performer.

As I said before, just because your album sells 40 or you manage to sell out an arena, does not mean that what you have put out, is any good. I just means that you have been in the business a long time and that your rep, preceeds you. If MJ had not have passed on, the material from "Thriller" would not be in rotation as it is. "Off The Wall", is a better sounding, more cohesive album than "Thriller". As for Stevie, again, the fact that he is selling out venues has little to do with material and more to do with his "superstar", status. Stevie will never recapture the days of old.

If you think a artist of Stevie Wonder level needs to recapture the days of old you need to get off of whatever you are on. No need for Stevie to try and recapture anything and while his most recent material is not great he certainly was not going backward and trying to redo "Talking Book"

I am not going to address your issues with Thriller. It sold millions because it was good and actually better than "Off The Wall" great music, martketing, and timing.

laurarichardson said:

shorttrini said:

As I said before, just because your album sells 40 or you manage to sell out an arena, does not mean that what you have put out, is any good. I just means that you have been in the business a long time and that your rep, preceeds you. If MJ had not have passed on, the material from "Thriller" would not be in rotation as it is. "Off The Wall", is a better sounding, more cohesive album than "Thriller". As for Stevie, again, the fact that he is selling out venues has little to do with material and more to do with his "superstar", status. Stevie will never recapture the days of old.

If you think a artist of Stevie Wonder level needs to recapture the days of old you need to get off of whatever you are on. No need for Stevie to try and recapture anything and while his most recent material is not great he certainly was not going backward and trying to redo "Talking Book"

I am not going to address your issues with Thriller. It sold millions because it was good and actually better than "Off The Wall" great music, martketing, and timing.

Allot of old funk and R&B heads would disagree with your comment about "Thriller". "Off The Wall", is a funkier, less commerical album. As for Stevie, I don't want him to "redo" "Talking Book", but I would sure like him to go back and listen to it.

missfee said:

phunkdaddy said:

Good observation.

I think even if Maurice didn't have Parkinson's i think he still would have relegated

himself to studio work with maybe guest appearances here and there on tour.

A lot of it has to do with keeping good health. If you feel good and don't abuse your body

then you probably can continue to perform into your sixties.

Look at Smokey Robinson and Otis Williams. These guys are still going strong and

Smokey appears to be in great health. My fear is when it's time for the great bands(funk,rock)

to hang it up, it's going to be an end of and era especially funk because you have

two generations of artists in R&B that don't play music and some artists outside the continent

are gonna try to tell you how to play funk when they didn't create it.

[Edited 6/13/10 12:21pm]

[Edited 6/13/10 12:21pm]

OMG did you say Smokey??? [img:$uid]http://www.pic4ever.com/images/5.gif[/img:$uid]

shorttrini said:

laurarichardson said:

If you think a artist of Stevie Wonder level needs to recapture the days of old you need to get off of whatever you are on. No need for Stevie to try and recapture anything and while his most recent material is not great he certainly was not going backward and trying to redo "Talking Book"

I am not going to address your issues with Thriller. It sold millions because it was good and actually better than "Off The Wall" great music, martketing, and timing.

Allot of old funk and R&B heads would disagree with your comment about "Thriller". "Off The Wall", is a funkier, less commerical album. As for Stevie, I don't want him to "redo" "Talking Book", but I would sure like him to go back and listen to it.

contrasting the commercial appeal of Thriller vs. Off The Wall is like trying to decide between White and Ivory for paint color.

errant said:

shorttrini said:

Allot of old funk and R&B heads would disagree with your comment about "Thriller". "Off The Wall", is a funkier, less commerical album. As for Stevie, I don't want him to "redo" "Talking Book", but I would sure like him to go back and listen to it.

contrasting the commercial appeal of Thriller vs. Off The Wall is like trying to decide between White and Ivory for paint color.