Aryll said:

shorttrini said:

She's all ready doing it. Hard Candy is awfull compared to her past material.

I've forgiven her for that.

I haven't. See, if I am a fan of yours, that does not mean that I am gonna support you when you put out dumb shit. When everybody is in agreement that your latest is not up to par, then you should know about it. Just because you are who you are, does not save you from me, your fan, from voicing my displeasure with you....dumb shit is dumb shit, no matter how or in what way it is played.

shorttrini said:

The Temptations.

In reality, most of the original member of the Tempations have died already, but for about the last 20 years, there have been so many lineup changes that the band should seriously be called a tribute band. In fact, I would say that all of the bigger name groups of the 60's, 70's, and 80's who have essentially broken up or had members leave but have one remaining member using the official band name should call it quits already (or at least change the name of the group).

I remember a few years ago when Todd Rundgren joined the remaining members of the Cars and toured with them as the "new" Cars, and Rick Ocasek was pissed. (Benjamin Orr had died a couple of years earlier.) Ocasek mocked them up in the media, and while the new lineup played a few concerts, they didn't necessarily pack in the crowds.

728huey said:

I would say that all of the bigger name groups of the 60's, 70's, and 80's who have essentially broken up or had members leave but have one remaining member using the official band name should call it quits already (or at least change the name of the group).

I would agree. It's like buying a re-recorded "Greatest Hits" collection, with none of the original recordings included.

PDogz said:

The 800 pound Gorilla in the room: CHRIS BROWN!

He don't need to folks are already hanging it up with a BANG for him.

Harlepolis said:

PDogz said:

The 800 pound Gorilla in the room: CHRIS BROWN!

He don't need to folks are already hanging it up with a BANG for him.

No Kidding, lol. Folks turned on THAT brother with The Quickness! Poor Thang, he thought his booty was golden, lol.

shorttrini said:

Aryll said:

Never. Bedtime Stories and Ray of Light were great albums. She'll be doing shit even when she's dead.

She's all ready doing it. Hard Candy is awfull compared to her past material.

Hard Candy is way better than Erotica. Outside of "Bad Girl" and "Deeper and Deeper," that album is pretty disappointing. Meanwhile, Hard Candy is fun.

AlexdeParis said:

shorttrini said:

She's all ready doing it. Hard Candy is awfull compared to her past material.

Hard Candy is way better than Erotica. Outside of "Bad Girl" and "Deeper and Deeper," that album is pretty disappointing. Meanwhile, Hard Candy is fun.

errant said:

AlexdeParis said:

Hard Candy is way better than Erotica. Outside of "Bad Girl" and "Deeper and Deeper," that album is pretty disappointing. Meanwhile, Hard Candy is fun.

I was just going to say the same thing, errant....

errant said:

AlexdeParis said:

Hard Candy is way better than Erotica. Outside of "Bad Girl" and "Deeper and Deeper," that album is pretty disappointing. Meanwhile, Hard Candy is fun.

Haven't we had this conversation before? "Bad Girl" and "Deeper and Deeper" are better than anything on Hard Candy, but the vast majority of Hard Candy is better than anything else on Erotica. Only the terrible last 2 songs of True Blue save Erotica from being Madonna's worst album.

shorttrini said:

Ok. So I am here watching the 25th Anniversary Rock & Roll Hall of Fame concert, and it got me to thinking..."What artist do you think show just "call it a day and just go home". Here are my choices.

1. Stevie Wonder - As much as he is a legend, in my opinion, he just does not have it anymore. His voice is not what it used to be.

2. Madonna - Her best days are behind her, as far as I am concerned. She has not released anything of substance, since "Erotica".

3. Paul Simon - Same as Madonna....His last great album was "Graceland".

4. Quincy Jones - After the "We are the world" and Strawberry Letter 23" incidents, he has a room waiting for him at Bellvue.

5. Janet Jackson - As long as she continues to make music for the hearing impaired, she will never be what she was in my book.

6. Anita Baker - Can we say, "National Anthem"

7. John Legend - The only good thing that he put out was his debut, after that it was all down hill.

This is what I came up with so far. What about you guys...

I disagree with only THAT^ first one. Even at his worst, I would rather put up with a flawed Stevie Wonder than the absolute "best" of these shit-hop/rhythmless bullshit (r&b) and C.R.A.P. artists of the 2000's & 2010's.

*C.R.A.P. = Contemporary Rap & Pop

AlexdeParis said:

errant said:

Haven't we had this conversation before? "Bad Girl" and "Deeper and Deeper" are better than anything on Hard Candy, but the vast majority of Hard Candy is better than anything else on Erotica. Only the terrible last 2 songs of True Blue save Erotica from being Madonna's worst album.

well, sure, I guess Hard Candy is "fun" but considering the lyrics and vocals are completely phoned in, I just can't put it up there with Erotica, which I rate among her best. in fact, I'd say Hard Candy is possibly her worst full-fledged studio album to date.

I know its hard for the artist to judge at the time as they dont know whats going to be great and whats going to sink but these are the artists I think should of stopped at a certain point so that they're careers would of been practically perfect pop careers.

Madonna after 'Die Another day'. American Life was the beginning of her downfall and although fans like to say Confessions was a huge hit it still wasnt all that. She had so much credibility with Music of still being relevant with young people but it was with Confessions that I truly noticed she lost that 'thing' she had with people in general despite the success. All the people I knew (most were teenagers at the time) still didnt give a damn about her.

Janet after 'Feel It Boy'. That was the last time I remember hearing a Janet song everywhere. Or maybe its more she shouldnt of done the Superbowl than she should of hung it up after that.

Kylie Minogue after 'Giving You Up' and the Greatest Hits. Kylie was the longest lasting pop princess into the new millenium as far as the hits are concerned but after her cancer battle I dont think anything was the same again. X didnt really bring her back like I thought it would.

And Mariah carey should of after Glitter. Yes it was a huge bomb, but it was a memorable classic one like Madonnas Erotica. Charmbracelet was the snoozefest that really killed her career at the time and like Madonna although she had a comeback with The Emancipation of Mimi, I really dont think it added anything to her career quality or impact wise.

Of course I'm not a hardcore fan of any of these people so its easy for me to say this, I'm just thinking in terms of commerical success and public interest.

1. Rhianna -- Even if she is a member of Jay-Z's Illuminati-inspired Roc Nation crew, it will NEVER exclude that fact that her live performances gets worse every year. And also, I freaking sick and tired of her "Dark Rhianna" persona. Her ass has got to go.

2. R. Kelly -- This artist has not released an album worth having since 12 Play. Every new album since had tracks that contained THE SAME chord progressions as the tracks on 12 Play. Since it's common knowledge about R's lust for underage girls, I can NEVER hear his earlier songs the same way again.

3. Queen -- watching/listening to this without the late Freddie Mercury is like Culture Club WITHOUT Boy George, Genesis WITHOUT Phil Collins, Kool & The Gang WITHOUT Robert "Kool" Bell or JT Taylor.........It's so wrong, It's not natural, and Brian May & Roger Taylor needs to be ashamed of themselves for letting this "Queen + ______" project goes on like this.

4. Whitney Houston -- Why the f*** did she listen to Clive Davis is beyond me. But as the world public knows, Whitney's past drug problems has damage her once great singing vocals. She's done.

5. Jermaine Dupri -- With exceptions for Mariah, JD can no longer produced tracks for himself OR other artist that are worth buying. He growing failures of trying to make great beats for then-girlfriend Janet Jackson was his ultimate downfall that put a damage to an otherwise good looking resume of hits that he has produces for other artists through the years. JD's time to retire is overdue.

errant said:

16 responses and no one's said Prince yet. shocking

That is because Prince's lawyers still have tabs on THIS site.

AlexdeParis said:

But why should anyone hang it up so to speak? The quality of material is judged by us, they might feel different, i mean in the acting field most get better with age, and do their best work when older not younger, best examples Tom Hanks and Sean Penn, lets talk about the garbage movies these two did early and then what they did later in their careers.

So to say hang it up to someone like Elton John, i mean if that was the case had he hung it up in the 90's then his best album in 25 years "songs from the west coast" would never have been made. I think it should be more applied to artists to accept their age and who they are now (mariah and others) I mean some like Mariah and yes even Prince need a change, Mariah needs a HUGE change in everything, Prince just needs to stop the RB shit, cut it out, let it go, RB doesnt care about you unless you do one of those painting by number ballads you have been doing since "do me baby". But again i would never say Prince hang it up, what the fuck is the alternative out there, cause these new jacks aint getting shit done, and dont give me Lady GaGa one fucking album phenom, or Amy Crackhouse another one album wonder, they has done nothing, so im not telling the older cats to take a hike cause i dont trust these new jacks with shit, because they aint got it.

As long as people can do what they love, they should do it. I would never say an artist should hang it up. Some people said "James Brown / George Clinton should hang it up." But that's just insane. These cats have done more for music than just about anyone.

SoulAlive said:

Earth Wind and Fire. They are my favorite band but it's time for them to hang it up.Maurice hasn't toured with them since 1994 and these days,their shows are boring and uninspired.It's just three original members (Philip,Ralph and Verdine) onstage with a bunch of musicians who were never part of EW&F.Without Maurice,it's just not the same.To make matters worse,Philip can barely hit most of those notes anymore.

I guess it depends on when you catch them. I recorded the tour they did with

Chicago with both bands on stage from a few years ago and they kicked ass.

I also recorded their performance on Tom Joyner of course it was an older

performance from 2007. Phillip bought out the Kalimba and they played some

old classic joints like Kalimba Story and Evil. It was a good performance.

They are coming to Charlotte on June 24. If tickets are reasonable i will check

them out.

Actually watching EWF performance in Japan from 1990 with Maurice on TVone now and this performance

is actually a little embarrassing. They are performing their sellout song For the Love of You

featuring Hammer and they are doing that silly New Jack Swing dance looking like deformed

guppies. I have all the respect in the world for Maurice but so far this hasn't performance

has been less than spectacular. The current lineup performs better than this lineup is.

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Who the hell is this clown they have rapping with them? He makes Tony of NPG

look like a rap legend.

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Every rapper and reggae artist.

Hudson said:

Every rapper and reggae artist.

I actually used to LOVE reggae music. But over the past 10 years or so, I've lost complete respect for most reggae artists and for the Jamaican culture in general.

PDogz said:

Harlepolis said:

He don't need to folks are already hanging it up with a BANG for him.

No Kidding, lol. Folks turned on THAT brother with The Quickness! Poor Thang, he thought his booty was golden, lol.

just nickel gold plated, oh well. Que Sera, Sera

SoulAlive said:

shorttrini said:

They have become a novelty act, without Maurice.

About ten years ago,Ralph said that he couldn't imagine doing this stuff when he's in his 60s.Well,I think they're all in their 60s now

It's time for Earth, Wind, & Fire to hang it up. Larry Dunn knew when to leave.

PDogz said:

Hudson said:

Every rapper and reggae artist.

I actually used to LOVE reggae music. But over the past 10 years or so, I've lost complete respect for most reggae artists and for the Jamaican culture in general.

agree 100%

TD3 said:

SoulAlive said:

shorttrini said: About ten years ago,Ralph said that he couldn't imagine doing this stuff when he's in his 60s.Well,I think they're all in their 60s now

It's time for Earth, Wind, & Fire to hang it up. Larry Dunn knew when to leave.

Whatever happened to Andrew Woolfolk who played the sax on the live version of "Reasons"?

TD3 said:

SoulAlive said:

shorttrini said: About ten years ago,Ralph said that he couldn't imagine doing this stuff when he's in his 60s.Well,I think they're all in their 60s now

It's time for Earth, Wind, & Fire to hang it up. Larry Dunn knew when to leave.

Yeah the original lineup with Larry was lethal. Are you watching this pathetic performance

from EWF on TVone now? They have some clown on stage rapping with them making

it even worse. This is with Maurice.

PDogz said:

TD3 said:

It's time for Earth, Wind, & Fire to hang it up. Larry Dunn knew when to leave.

Whatever happened to Andrew Woolfolk who played the sax on the live version of "Reasons"?

I think he left the band after the Heritage album.

PDogz said:

TD3 said:

It's time for Earth, Wind, & Fire to hang it up. Larry Dunn knew when to leave.

Whatever happened to Andrew Woolfolk who played the sax on the live version of "Reasons"?

Woolfolk hooks up with the group on special occasions but these days I think he's doing session work/projects.

phunkdaddy said:

PDogz said:

Whatever happened to Andrew Woolfolk who played the sax on the live version of "Reasons"?

I think he left the band after the Heritage album.

I mean, I see he left the band after the 1987 - 1993 incarnation of EWF, but to where and why? He was one of my favorite players. Just something I've always wondered about.

TD3 said:

PDogz said:

Whatever happened to Andrew Woolfolk who played the sax on the live version of "Reasons"?

Woolfolk hooks up with the group on special occasions but these days I think he's doing session work/projects.

Thanks. He and Phillip Bailey made magic on "Reasons".