Timmy84 said:

PricelessHo said:

you know, i honestly don't care for her supposed creative image nor do i get curious to check out her perfomances coz from what i've seen so far, she's always trying to do way too many things that she ends up with a perfect mess on stage.

as far as her music goes though, i think she has shown progress with The Fame Monster than what she did on The Fame, which to me was stacked with fillers, aside from it's singles, as apposed to Monster which i thought had a grander/richer sound to it and way catchier melodies. i think it'll take a 3rd release from her for me to decide where i stand from her music.

Technically "The Fame Monster" were songs left out from "The Fame"... but it's being passed as a second album I guess.

Not all of them.

purplesweat said:

Timmy84 said:

Technically "The Fame Monster" were songs left out from "The Fame"... but it's being passed as a second album I guess.

Not all of them.

Right. The Fame Monster were songs recorded while she was on tour. Recorded AFTER The Fame was released.

Cinnie said:

The only Madonna reference I really caught was "Vogue" with the similar black/white lighting and barrel-bra.

Madonna didn't invent blasphemy

I agree. So female singers arent allowed to do spanish themed songs anymore without it being a ripoff of La Isla Bonita? Though I do agree the Vogue imagery thing was too much and she should of cut it because that was going beyond copying for that. Overall I'm not impressed with the video. I LOVE the beginning. She should have made the whole filmclip based on that look and storyline, something very Nightmare Before Christmas-y. She would have topped herself with that.

Arnotts said:

Cinnie said:

The only Madonna reference I really caught was "Vogue" with the similar black/white lighting and barrel-bra.

Madonna didn't invent blasphemy

I agree. So female singers arent allowed to do spanish themed songs anymore without it being a ripoff of La Isla Bonita? Though I do agree the Vogue imagery thing was too much and she should of cut it because that was going beyond copying for that. Overall I'm not impressed with the video. I LOVE the beginning. She should have made the whole filmclip based on that look and storyline, something very Nightmare Before Christmas-y. She would have topped herself with that.

It's the video which a Madonna rip-off, not the song... the song screams Ace Of Base lol

Arnotts said:

Cinnie said:

The only Madonna reference I really caught was "Vogue" with the similar black/white lighting and barrel-bra.

Madonna didn't invent blasphemy

I agree. So female singers arent allowed to do spanish themed songs anymore without it being a ripoff of La Isla Bonita? Though I do agree the Vogue imagery thing was too much and she should of cut it because that was going beyond copying for that. Overall I'm not impressed with the video. I LOVE the beginning. She should have made the whole filmclip based on that look and storyline, something very Nightmare Before Christmas-y. She would have topped herself with that.

That opening sequence is very Janet Rhythm Nation. After that is when the Madonna similarities come in.

SEANMAN said:

Arnotts said:

I agree. So female singers arent allowed to do spanish themed songs anymore without it being a ripoff of La Isla Bonita? Though I do agree the Vogue imagery thing was too much and she should of cut it because that was going beyond copying for that. Overall I'm not impressed with the video. I LOVE the beginning. She should have made the whole filmclip based on that look and storyline, something very Nightmare Before Christmas-y. She would have topped herself with that.

That opening sequence is very Janet Rhythm Nation. After that is when the Madonna similarities come in.

When I say the beginning was great I dont mean the men stomping around like military men, but the opening sequence of her where its snowing and she has them weird glasses on. Where she looks like a ruler of an ice world or something. That would of been a cool concept.

I think this post sums it up best.

Hudson said:

I think this post sums it up best.

I agree it's a good summary but it was said by the org's own VoicesCarry, reply #33 on this thread. http://prince.org/msg/8/3...sg_7483881

[Edited 6/16/10 23:45pm]

Cinnie said:

Hudson said:

I think this post sums it up best.

I agree it's a good summary but it was said by the org's own VoicesCarry, reply #33 on this thread. http://prince.org/msg/8/3...sg_7483881

[Edited 6/16/10 23:45pm]

So they are the same person, hopefully.

Hudson said:

Cinnie said:

I agree it's a good summary but it was said by the org's own VoicesCarry, reply #33 on this thread. http://prince.org/msg/8/3...sg_7483881

[Edited 6/16/10 23:45pm]

So they are the same person, hopefully.

It is, just sayin...

Hudson said:

VoicesCarry said:

This video is about gay rights. It's about gay men not being able to come out and being trapped in sham marriages with women (hence the puppet strings) and about how religion and society play a role in this entrapment - hence the mob imagery (Stonewall, anyone?) and the Christian (primary Catholic) symbolism. When all the boys are dancing (beginning at 3:25), it's a very violent visualization of self-hate. They grab each other's necks in mock strangulation at one point, then beat each other. The dysfunctional sex and gender-f**king are not coincidental, and the way they throw her around at the end is about them fighting back and taking their resentment out on the women they marry. It's a militant piece of work.

I think this post sums it up best.

Dreamer2 said:

I think most people can see gaga is more talented than the person she's copying i.e. madonna, CA is slowly coming around to the idea that gaga is a new force in music, hence the copycat album bionic which is tanking at the moment...

I'm sorry, but I will never be able to ever believe that copies are better than the original. They are either good, passable, or terrible. That's like saying that MJ was better than James Brown and Jackie Wilson; or that Prince is better than Jimi Hendrix and Sly Stone; or that Madonna is better than Joan Jett, Janis Joplin, and Debbie Harry...ugh no. I find it funny that anyone would even consider a copycat to be better than the original unless they can do something miraculous like walk on water, wake the dead, heal the sick, or turn water into wine. Even in that case, Jesus was never better than God.

Just because Gaga can write fun pop songs, sing, and play piano well doesn't really make her better than Madonna to me because Gaga had a formal education at a top performing arts school as a teenager. How much of that talent is actually taught at the end of the day? Like I said in another thread, nobody taught Prince, Stevie Wonder, or Lionel Richie how to play piano; they are all self-taught pianists. Anyone can be taught to sing and play an instrument well if the teacher is good, but am I going to praise that person over someone who didn't have any formal education at all...hellz no! I don't discredit that individual's talents and a formal education doesn't keep me from enjoying what they offer up, because Tupac, Aaliyah, and Jada Pinkett Smith all went to performing arts schools and I love all of them and admire their talents, but raw talent is in a league of it's own IMO. The only thing Madonna got a formal education in was dance but that was mostly after she had gotten out of high school and into college on a dance scholarship.

I'm not saying Lady Gaga isn't talented because I think she's definitely a breath of fresh air for the music industry in that she sees the importance of writing, producing, and playing instruments on her albums, but she's still copying several musical icons and I just can't praise her (or anyone else) for that whether I'm a fan of that person or not.

Christina's album is more tanking from bad publicity (mostly on her part) and mediocre material that was hyped up greatly. I actually like 'Bionic', but it's no where near as good as B2B, Stripped, or even her debut album; but she's not the only artist in history to have a shitty album in their catelogue. Prince has several but he also has over 30 albums that he's released in his career so that's to be expected. Gaga will have one someday if she remains in the music industry; it's inevitable.

How often do we see over-hyped new artists usually sell millions of copies of their debuts albums and the sales after that never equal that debut? MJ happened to get bigger sells with his sophomore album 'Thriller' than his solo debut and Janet's first two albums didn't come close to the numbers that 'Control' pulled in, but how often does that happen nowadays with new or veteran artists? Very seldom. Hype helps sell everything from music to movies to fashion trends to food to vacation destinations. It's how successful an artist can be after the hype has died away that really determines staying power to me. After the hype is gone, will people outside of her loyal fanbase still care enough to buy an album from Lady Gaga or will the thrill be gone? Only time will tell, but she's got the talent to have a long career in the music industry so I wish her and her fans all the best. All just my

noimageatall said:

carlcranshaw said:

For those of you in bands.

Play Alejandro and then go into this.

Exactly what I thought...

Is there ANYONE who is original now? I mean, original as in, "OMG, did you SEE THAT???? I've never seen THAT before!!" Like when Lil' Kim first appeared, or when Vanity 6 wore lingerie, and Madonna wore her underwear outside of her clothes, or Eminem proved white boys could rap and not be a joke.

Everything mainstream now is a copy of what came before, and bad copies at that. I swear I want to see something REAL that I haven't seen EVER! Sadly I believe those days are long gone.

*sigh* Stole the words right out my mouth.

It's a depressing state of affairs isn't it?