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Reply #30 posted 06/08/10 8:54pm

VoicesCarry

Amazing video.

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Reply #31 posted 06/08/10 9:28pm

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Aryll said:

She peaked at Bad Romance video-wise. Everything after that has been her trying too, too hard to be artistic and trying to out-do herself. She needs to tone it down, separate herself from Madonna, and do a fun video for once.

I agree. BR and Paparazzi were truly great videos. Now it's obviously that she's trying to outdo herself.

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Reply #32 posted 06/08/10 9:30pm

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its a video bruv. wheather u like it or not u watched it. people use 2 say the same about prince

THANK YOU.

THIS IS PRINCE DOT ORG PEOPLE

REMEMBER THAT.

I love it. The longer she keeps making people go WTFF the better.

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Reply #33 posted 06/08/10 10:27pm

VoicesCarry

This video is about gay rights. It's about gay men not being able to come out and being trapped in sham marriages with women (hence the puppet strings) and about how religion and society play a role in this entrapment - hence the mob imagery (Stonewall, anyone?) and the Christian (primary Catholic) symbolism. When all the boys are dancing (beginning at 3:25), it's a very violent visualization of self-hate. They grab each other's necks in mock strangulation at one point, then beat each other. The dysfunctional sex and gender-f**king are not coincidental, and the way they throw her around at the end is about them fighting back and taking their resentment out on the women they marry. It's a militant piece of work.

[Edited 6/8/10 22:43pm]

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Reply #34 posted 06/08/10 10:31pm

trueiopian

Me likey! but why the fuck is she ALWAYS being thrown around or someone is snatching her clothes off in ALL her videos? confuse

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Reply #35 posted 06/08/10 10:50pm

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CHIC0 said:

soul4thought said:

Plus this video is nothing but a combination of "Vogue" and "Like A Prayer" with absolutely nothing to say.

ok since someone else went there... lol

i saw those as well and to add

"Express Yourself"

and the video montage of 'Reinvention Tour'

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i don't mind being influenced, but too me it was just too obvious. shrug

I don't even know Madonna's catalog very well, but that IS Madonna singing and talking in this song, right? Right? That's not Gaga's voice. disbelief Can't be. Sounds too much like Madonna.

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Reply #36 posted 06/08/10 10:53pm

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VoicesCarry said:

This video is about gay rights. It's about gay men not being able to come out and being trapped in sham marriages with women (hence the puppet strings) and about how religion and society play a role in this entrapment - hence the mob imagery (Stonewall, anyone?) and the Christian (primary Catholic) symbolism. When all the boys are dancing (beginning at 3:25), it's a very violent visualization of self-hate. They grab each other's necks in mock strangulation at one point, then beat each other. The dysfunctional sex and gender-f**king are not coincidental, and the way they throw her around at the end is about them fighting back and taking their resentment out on the women they marry. It's a militant piece of work.

[Edited 6/8/10 22:43pm]

thumbs up!

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Reply #37 posted 06/08/10 11:05pm

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Lady Gaga--who famously revealed to Barbara Walters in her 2009 "Most Interesting People" interview that she herself is bisexual, and whose hit "Poker Face" dealt with that topic--has long been an outspoken advocate for the LGBT community. She's appeared on the cover of Out magazine, marched for gay rights in D.C., received a GLAAD Award for Outstanding Musical Artist, and headlined/hosted a benefit concert for marriage equality, among other activist activities. When she picked up her VMA moonman at last year's MTV Video Music Awards, she even proudly held it aloft and declared, "This is for God and the gays!" But she has never addressed gay issues as directly or politically in a video as she does in her compelling new clip, "Alejandro."

In her outlandish past videos, Gaga has appeared in a futuristic wheelchair, pranced around a fiery bathhouse, and embarked on a "Thelma-&-Louise"-style road trip with Beyoncé, but in the just-premiered "Alejandro," she is uncharacteristically serious. The classy black-and-white clip, lensed by high-fashion photographer/Madonna collaborator Steven Klein, is a seven-minute "celebration of my love and appreciation for the gay community, my admiration of their bravery, their love for one another, and their courage in relationships," according to Gaga's June 1 interview with CNN's Larry King, during which she premiered a short teaser of the "Alejandro" video.

Of course, now that the full "Alejandro" is out, we can all see that it's not a blatant political PSA--as with all Gaga videos, it's a piece of performance art, open to interpretation. But the video's vaguely "Rhythm Nation"-reminiscent vibe, not to mention what Gaga described to King as its "homoerotic military theme," could be construed as a creative critique of the U.S. military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy. And the video's wardrobe of nun's habits and other religious imagery could be viewed as references to the Catholic Church's demonization of homosexuality.

The Catholic imagery in particular is reminiscent of works by Gaga's obvious predecessor, the aforementioned Madonna, another pop female whose conflicted feelings about religion have been explored in her own videos such as "Oh Father" and the banned "Like a Prayer." As Gaga told King: "I struggle with my feelings about the Church in particular....in terms of religion, I'm very religious. I was raised Catholic. I believe in Jesus. I believe in God. I'm very spiritual. I pray very much. But at the same time, there is no one religion that doesn't hate or speak against or be prejudiced against another racial group or religious group, or sexual group. For that, I think religion is also bogus. So I suppose you could say I'm a quite religious woman that is very confused about religion. And I dream and envision a future where we have a more peaceful religion or a more peaceful world, a more peaceful state of mind for the younger generation. And that's what I dream for."

At the very least, the "Alejandro" video is a thank-you gift to Gaga's large and devoted LGBT fanbase, the affectionately nicknamed "Little Monsters" who have helped make her the biggest female pop star on the planet. "The gay community...has been the most enormous blessing of my life, that I have them and their support and the way that they truly understand me and support me," Gaga told King. "My admiration for the gay community comes from an incredibly steadfast and joyful courage and very bravery that they have for one another, for their community. To be gay and to live openly in this society is something that requires a tremendous amount of strength and steadfastness....I celebrate their culture and their union and who they are, in my music, and in my fashion, and in my work, every day. And I will forever."

Of course, "Alejandro" is controversial and polarizing--no Gaga video would be complete without a little shock value--but by Gaga standards, this video is actually almost downright tame, and this time, she isn't dancing with cans of Miracle Whip or disco sticks or hats fashioned out of princess phones. This time, there seems to be a message behind Gaga's madness. Will people listen to what she has to say? Regardless, this is yet another Lady Gaga video that will be impossible to ignore.

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Reply #38 posted 06/08/10 11:08pm

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i love the video and i think it's visually stunning, but i think it's too dark and unfitting for the song. i expected something fun.

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Reply #39 posted 06/08/10 11:57pm

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Her best video behind "Bad Romance". And that may change for me when I watch it again.

Wow.

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Reply #40 posted 06/09/10 1:27am

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It's too long. Other than the 'rifel bra' there's nothing particularly exciting here.

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Reply #41 posted 06/09/10 2:37am

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RKJCNE said:

the premiere crashed her website and twitter! its taking forever to load!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhh

tease

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Reply #42 posted 06/09/10 2:39am

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carlcranshaw said:

For those of you in bands.

Play Alejandro and then go into this.

nod thumbs up!

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Reply #43 posted 06/09/10 2:46am

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the beat reminds me of this XD

http://www.youtube.com/wa...KksMJY1z0g

''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #44 posted 06/09/10 3:08am

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Men Without Hats + Madonna = This?

Not really feeling it. The song isn't that great.

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Reply #45 posted 06/09/10 3:15am

millwall

why so much hate. she's very talented. i'd give her 1.

if gaga continues with this standard of work she could exceed madonna.

make sure u don't take advice frm prince or u might end up like terrence trent darby. joke

b4 u all start hatin

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Reply #46 posted 06/09/10 3:36am

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Zinzi said:

the beat reminds me of this XD

http://www.youtube.com/wa...KksMJY1z0g

Vegaboys?!? Oh please! I'm thinking Gaga was beatbiting Ace Of Base.

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Reply #47 posted 06/09/10 3:39am

TonyVanDam

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millwall said:

why so much hate. she's very talented. i'd give her 1.

if gaga continues with this standard of work she could exceed madonna.

make sure u don't take advice frm prince or u might end up like terrence trent darby. joke

b4 u all start hatin

What you call "hating", we call it "remembering our music history". Acknowledging where Gaga is getting her inspirations/ideas from is NOT "hating".

Don't get twisted.

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Reply #48 posted 06/09/10 4:04am

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It's on MTV now, looks much better on my tv.

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Reply #49 posted 06/09/10 5:08am

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too many themes...nothing makes any sense..images just in there for shock value and no real message in the video that i can see?

confused



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Reply #50 posted 06/09/10 8:43am

Zinzi

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gaga's video's also start to show an air of desperation of wanting gays to love her..she ends up steryotyping them in this

she's starting to remind me of the woman teacher in everybody hates chris..the one that goes on about chris being black all the time and ends up saying racist stuff

''now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, a fanatical criminal''
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Reply #51 posted 06/09/10 10:27am

Red

GaGaDonna! What $ can do.

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Reply #52 posted 06/09/10 10:45am

Timmy84

You know what's odd, the FIRST thing that came to mind when I first head "Alejandro" especially with the beat was Ace of Base then the lyrics came and the melody and it was like:

"Tropical the island breeze
All of nature wild and free
This is where I long to be
La isla bonita
And when the samba played
The sun would set so high
Ring through my ears and sting my eyes
Your Spanish lullaby"

Then I head the ABBA song "FERNANDOOOOOOOOOO" lol

It was like "wow this song sounds like so many songs it makes no sense." lol

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Reply #53 posted 06/09/10 11:50am

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[img:$uid]http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/nicesexyguy/truthhurts/LadyGagacapycatmadonna.jpg[/img:$uid]

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Reply #54 posted 06/09/10 1:44pm

Cinnie

TonyVanDam said:

I'm thinking Gaga was beatbiting Ace Of Base.

yeahthat

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Reply #55 posted 06/09/10 4:43pm

CHIC0

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Gaga's Alejandro Video: A Guide To Its Madonna References

MTV.com writer Kyle Anderson has highlighted the Madonna references featured in the Steven Klein directed video for Lady Gaga's Alejandro:

When the brief preview for Lady Gaga's 'Alejandro' video appeared during the singer's appearance on 'Larry King Live' last week, many people immediately noticed the nod to Madonna's 'Vogue.' It was all there: the sharp black-and-white photography, the muscular dancing, the spartan set, the iconic hairstyle.
But as it turns out, the full version of 'Alejandro' - which premiered Tuesday (June 8) - is a healthy combination of a number of different references, nods and homages to a bevy of Madonna videos. (One MTV News writer says 'Alejandro' is more than just an ode to Madonna - check out his counterpoint in the Newsroom blog.)
The 'Vogue' references are certainly there, as Gaga spends a large chunk of the video in that same spartan set in black-and-white. But the rest of the clip features Gaga in a number of different costumes - including a red nun's habit and some sort of steampunk headgear - in a handful of different scenarios (some of which involve Nazi imagery).
In addition to 'Vogue,' the opening sequence seems to recall Madonna's 'Evita' period (when she made 'Don't Cry for Me Argentina' a hit). Gaga is dressed to mourn whomever is in the casket behind her - perhaps the titular Alejandro? - and it would be easy to assume that she's attending a state funeral, which would mean Gaga flipped the gender roles in the original story of the Peróns (in reality, it was Juan who buried Eva).
Later, Gaga strips to her underwear and dominates a scantily clad dancer tied to a bed. While Madonna is no stranger to the imagery surrounding bondage and submission, that image most faithfully recalls the Material Girl's 'Human Nature,' which saw her dressed in black pleather and dancing seductively with the assistance of ropes and a riding crop.
But the biggest nod to Madonna's past certainly comes with all the religious imagery. Gaga dresses as a nun, swallows rosary beads and stands in front of a row of crosses at various points during the clip, which brings to mind Madonna's classic video for 'Like a Prayer.' In fact, there are even video clips of flames in the background of one of the dance scenes in 'Alejandro,' which could easily have been lifted wholesale from the moment in Madonna's clip when she sings among a field of flaming crosses.
There are a number of other cultural references that slip out of 'Alejandro' (Gaga clearly enjoys the work of film director Fritz Lang), but even the gun-barrel-sporting bra she wears at the end could be mistaken for that conical top Madonna made famous during the Blonde Ambition Tour.
Of course, 'Alejandro' director Steven Klein has worked as a photographer for Madonna over the past few years, so it's quite possible that these are merely the influences he has picked up while working with her. But if Gaga really is making an attempt to define herself as a next-gen Madonna who also pays homage to her elders, then there are worse paths to follow.

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Reply #56 posted 06/09/10 4:46pm

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[img:$uid]http://i418.photobucket.com/albums/pp269/nicesexyguy/truthhurts/LadyGagacapycatmadonna.jpg[/img:$uid]

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Reply #57 posted 06/09/10 4:54pm

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TonyVanDam said:

Zinzi said:

the beat reminds me of this XD

http://www.youtube.com/wa...KksMJY1z0g

Vegaboys?!? Oh please! I'm thinking Gaga was beatbiting Ace Of Base.

Yes, the chorus does sound similar to the bridge on ace of base's/aswad's version of "don't turn around".

"Iam gonna be strong, Iam gonna be fine" etc...

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Reply #58 posted 06/09/10 4:58pm

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TonyVanDam said:

millwall said:

why so much hate. she's very talented. i'd give her 1.

if gaga continues with this standard of work she could exceed madonna.

make sure u don't take advice frm prince or u might end up like terrence trent darby. joke

b4 u all start hatin

What you call "hating", we call it "remembering our music history". Acknowledging where Gaga is getting her inspirations/ideas from is NOT "hating".

Don't get twisted.

nod

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Reply #59 posted 06/09/10 5:03pm

Timmy84

Not to try to bring Ms. Aguilera into this but you know how funny Gaga fans were quick to say Christina was copying Gaga and yet the both of them did "homages" to Madonna videos. lol


That's VERY ironic.

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