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PrintableBklynBabe said: spoken word story telling over a predominate drum beat has been around since the dawn of time and is not going anywhere....I'm sure there will be a new name and style associated with it.
*soulful, primal drumbeat* "There once was a man...who wished to fuck every girl in the world...after which they would all proclaim, 'You da fuckin' best, best I eva had'..." Honey, stop talking and just create the music. | |
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Record labels have all of the control and casual fans eat up the bullshit they market to them so its never going to change for the better and never has. You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam! | |
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DesireeNevermind said: I don't know how much more of this sex laden/beat stealin'/nonsensical lyric spittin'/naked booty jigglin'/exercise in excess I can take. I want to support this form of music but sometimes...it's just damn hard to do so.
What will the future bring? Will this genre of music see the year 2025?   First off, Hip-Hop is not a music form. It is the New York urban sub-culture from which Rap sprang from. Hip-Hop as a culture, no longer really exisits. Its more of a retro thing now. As a result, Rap, as a music form is disconnected from its cultural foundation, thus allowing it to become the distorted excessive and corporate fast food of the music world that it is today. It's over. Authentic Hip-Hop and Rap will take its place along with Doo Wop, Rockabilly and Jazz. [Edited 5/26/10 20:21pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: DesireeNevermind said: ^ But why isn't what's played on the internet stations and discussed on the music message boards more mainstream and in the clubs? How can music evolve for the better if stuff remains underground and exclusive to a few music circles/groups. That limited exposure and music sharing doesn't bode well for artists who are trying to make a living through their music either. We end up with the same ole hip hop and the same ole artists year after year.
Corporations have run the current music industry into the ground. Its too late. Its done. I'm sorry to be the one to say that. There is an underground industry that is evolving and there are new methods artists are trying in order to make money making music. Prince.org is not a good place for discussions about new R&B and/or hip-hop music. There are too many out-of-touch people who are content complaining about shit rather than finding new music and exploring it. There are lots of other boards but I'm not going into them here. [Edited 5/26/10 16:01pm] THAT^ and the fact that the RIAA's first f***-up was wasting their time, money, & resource suing music fans AND file-sharing software companies alike because we the people in general felt that mp3 files in their computer disk drives were more valuable than those SACD or DVD-Audio ideas the RIAA wanted to promote. I'm no Steve Jobs fan by any means. But one of the best things Steve ever promoted was iTunes. THIS was some that the RIAA should have invented themselves around 1995-98 at the most. But instead of accepting technology for what it was about to become, they choose to try to fight it. For every (original) Napster, Kazaa, eDonkey, & Liwewire, that the RIAA wanted to killed, they is a BitTorrent for people to use to get whatever they want and could give a rat's ass what happens next. If the RIAA would have spend their money on finding real musicians, real composers, and real vocalists instead of wasting the money on a bunch of Illuminati-driven puppets (EXAMPLE: Rhianna, an artist that you hate the most BK!  ) & lawyers to sue downloaders all the damn time, they wouldn't have turn the music industry into a freaking joke that it is right now.
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I think the same can be said for any genre but real hip hop will never die. Eventually the people that jumped on the money train will hop off when the next genre takes it place in the mainstream. Then you'll be left with the real artists whose music grows as you do. I wouldn't call that the death of hip-hop, more like a resurrection of hip-hop as it's meant to be.
I agree that you just need to change the way you find your music. The days of waiting for it find you are long gone lol. I'm from the UK so growing up I had to search out hip-hop anyway, I got lazy in my late teens because the radio stations started playing it so I was very passive in my music choices. When nothing was moving me I thought I just outgrew hip-hop but really I was just listening to all the wrong things lol | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: Graycap23 said: I hope it dies.....by Friday.
It's already dead, it just hasn't been buried yet. I'll spring 4 the casket. | |
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Graycap23 said: HatrinaHaterwitz said: It's already dead, it just hasn't been buried yet. I'll spring 4 the casket. I'll send flowers | |
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BlaqueKnight said:
Will all of the music message boards, internet radio stations, etc. There is no reason for people not to be able to find exactly what they are looking for. Fuck that. I be damned if I'm going to pay for some high priced ass internet just to look to find some good music. You already got to pay for music but to have to pay to find it is rediculous. When I moved, I didn't even get cable either (there was nothing on it anyway). It's hard enough to pay the rent and utilities (the necessities) let alone those other bills. When I had internet at home (I was bleeding off the neighbor's internet with my laptop :evillol), I spent my time "searching for" old stuff that I didn't already have. I had much more luck than looking for new funk, house, etc. because when I found it, it would have shit hop elements in it whether it was the type of drum machines or even the slang in the lyrics. It was kinda like having a snake in the attic. He's up there and can't get down to where you are but it still irks the hell out of you that he's up there in the first place.
There may not be a club full of people dancing to it, but its out there.
And that's the real problem right there. Shakin' ass is like having sex. It feels OK when you do it by yourself, but it's ecstacy when you do it with a group of people. Finding good new music and listening to it alone (because most other people aren't into it) is like masturbating.
Naw, good music (funk, disco, house, etc.....fuck that neo-soul, adult comtemporary, or whatever other slow dull shit is out there that might be "real" music) needs to be back mainstream again. Damn that going out and searching for it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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SoulAlive said: Graycap23 said: I'll spring 4 the casket. I'll send flowers And I'll send some dog shit to fertilize them with. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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Rap/Hip-Hop is getting horrible but at the same time, better. Most of the talent is in the Underground. As for Mainstream, rappers are getting worse and worse. But like I said at the same time it's getting better. We have artists like Kid Cudi or B.O.B. and I may be wrong but I won't be suprised, but maybe the Rap/Hip-Hop scene for this decade might fade into that weird/colorful vibe that rappers like the two I mentioned are on. You're starting to see more colorful clothing come out and weird songs with weird themes. I hope whoever reading this understands what I'm getting at. If that's the case, then the genre but get better eventually because it's music like that, that requires talent and imagination. | |
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LayzieKrayzie said: Rap/Hip-Hop is getting horrible but at the same time, better. Most of the talent is in the Underground. As for Mainstream, rappers are getting worse and worse. But like I said at the same time it's getting better. We have artists like Kid Cudi or B.O.B. and I may be wrong but I won't be suprised, but maybe the Rap/Hip-Hop scene for this decade might fade into that weird/colorful vibe that rappers like the two I mentioned are on. You're starting to see more colorful clothing come out and weird songs with weird themes. I hope whoever reading this understands what I'm getting at. If that's the case, then the genre but get better eventually because it's music like that, that requires talent and imagination.
I agree. I posted some of my favorites that are in the same direction that Cudi and B.O.B are in "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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poetcorner61 said: "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Ok, this is going take a while so hang on. Nobody's perfect.
Some hip hop acts work, some don't. Some rap about the society and obvious things, like how black people still face prejudice or, do not get involved with drugs. But in the same time, it's unfortunate that many times the lyrics tend to be quite graphic, nothing is left to the imagination of the listener. The kids seem to like it! How can you take seriously someone like Xzibit? The man is rapping about drug dealing, having the rocks, having 20000 cash and having bitches in the hotel room ready for him to bang cob weight, while he's waiting for a britha who is being late for the pick-up. I don't know if he's being ironic in the same way as Black Eyed Peas in "My Humps". Without knowing this man's history, I'm betting he's not. The man is obviously a wealthy man these days, why not rap about something that matters? But if his lyrics are based on his life, then it seems law of nature that just rapping about drug dealing, guns and bitches, whether they are real or not, seem to do the trick. Finance-wise. These are things that people seem to want to hear about. The subjects tend to include certain things that surely don't apply to so-called regular people, such as doing stuff in the back of a Bentley, wearing your whole advance on my wrist, niggaz doing this and bitches doing that. All this cursing going on and people buy it. Perhaps by listening to this stuff it is a way of people to dream about having enough money to buy expensive things, such as a Bentley. I don't know. But then again, when you ask someone what does he/she think of the lyrics, the answer is probably something like: "I don't know, I'm just listening to the beat." After having said all this, one hip hop piece I like is by Cypress Hill: How could I just kill a man? It took a while to realize that what he's rapping is about the mentality of someone who has to do what he has to do to survive on the streets and rough neighbourhood. "I'm just another local kid from the streets gettin' paid for my vocals." I think this song is deep and personal too. One of the true hip hop classics. [Edited 5/28/10 8:55am] [Edited 5/28/10 8:57am] | |
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How can you take seriously someone like Xzibit? The man is rapping about drug dealing, having the rocks, having 20000 cash and having bitches in the hotel room ready for him to bang cob weight, while he's waiting for a britha who is being late for the pick-up.
I knew Xzibit was full of shit once he had that show "Pimp My Ride" and then became an actor. | |
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Classic case of actin' street to get paid by the suits.but if hip hop does eventually "die" per say i would like to see someone create some new type genre of music that would be interesting | |
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It could be argued that 'sex-laden', 'booty-jiggling' exercises are not 'Hip-Hop' at all. Ever heard of 'The Roots'(in particular 'Never do what they do')? Or Dead Prez's 'It's Bigger than Hip-Hop'?
Common? Jeru the Damaja? Slaughterhouse? Nas?
to name just a few.
2PAC for example, was not merely a one-dimensional 'gangsta rapper'. Songs such as 'Dear Mama', 'Keep your Head Up', 'Baby Don't Cry', 'Smile', 'Letter to my Unborn child', 'Krazy', 'Hold Ya Head' and others are testament to this.
Kanye West may behave like an utter twat, but is he 'sex-laden' or excessive?
I thnk Hip-Hop will survive, even if it is underground, for as long as it gives a voice and connects to people. And it will be doing that for many years to come.
Also, it is becoming mixed with other forms. As Blues was, and Jazz was, and Soul was, and Funk was.
I don't think it is a 'new' form that will fade away. It may not make as much money for the powers that be, but the best lyricism in Hip-Hop is only one step away from spoken-word and contemporary poetry.
And can you imagine those going anywhere?
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MF DOOM
I like his "Special Herbs" compilations. Loops, samples, beats, straight from the original source. This is the grass roots element of hip-hop. Katie Kinisky: "So What Are The Latest Dances, Nell?"
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We need someone who will start a movement against this bullsh*t they call hiphop. Something like a Hip Hop Hitler. I just CAN'T STAND this crap any longer! Back then hip hop and rap was bout life, now all they talk bout is how to f*ck them h*es, b*tches or whatever they call them girlfriends, how they drive around in their ferraris and sh*t and how many rings they can manage to put on one finger! Well, take your fingers full of bling blings and put them right there where the sun doesn't shine (and I don't mean London!). I am TIRED of this crap, all this nasty aggressive crunk stuff produced with the holy 808 sounds that back in the days were used by legends like the egyptian lover etc. I must admit there are some real artists out there too, but they are not as well known as they should be. If hip hop goes on like this, I hope it dies soon.
People in my age say "Lil Wayne"
I say "Grandmaster Flash"
they go "Grandmaster what?"
I say "Flash"
they go "hahaha"
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Hip Hop will die when people stop buying it. I mean it won't completely die. It'll just fall off the earth. Then, many years/decades later someone will bring it back and call it something different. There's nothing new under the sun, but times change. Disco, New Wave, Punk, and many other once hot genres have faded away. Hip hop will soon. | |
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Much love to ya, bruddah....and always enjoy your thoughtful input...but gotta CALL you on THAT one.
Just read the replies in this thread alone.
Just spitballin here, but IMO..there's been some pretty GD intelligent & cogent words spoken here (and on MANY MANY other thangs).
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