midiscover said:

Cinnie said:

midiscover said:

Her little transformation was planned by her label and team just like Britney's.

To lead fans of the bright, sunny, cheerful Rihanna into total bleakness?

midiscover said:

Cinnie said:

To lead fans of the bright, sunny, cheerful Rihanna into total bleakness?

She was bleak before too

VenusBlingBling said:

veronikka said:

Both

ratchetchan said:

ratchetchan said:

jiorjios said:

I think both Rihannas are equally bad. And although I haven't heard the album. I don't know which darkness you are talking about. She did a dark song (RR) and 3 happy happy songs (RB, Hard, TA)... [Edited 5/25/10 4:32am]

My heart actually warmed to her after she got her ass kicked by Chris Brown. I root for her now and I liked the "umbrella" song.

purplesweat said:

Rude Boy reached #1 in USA and numerous other countries, as well as being a top 10 hit almost everywhere it was released. Hard peaked at #8 in the USA, Russian Roulette #9.

good for her, but the lyrics to "rude boy" are just eww.

new rihanna, i guess. i never paid her much mind before she started get all freaky and whatnot

I like the "Good Girl Gone Bad" Rihanna.

I was not aware the new Rihanna was considered dark or edgy.

New Rihanna looks a whole lot to me like safe and marketable.

You learn something new everyday.

Cinnie said:

purplesweat said:

Rude Boy reached #1 in USA and numerous other countries, as well as being a top 10 hit almost everywhere it was released. Hard peaked at #8 in the USA, Russian Roulette #9.

good for her, but the lyrics to "rude boy" are just eww.

So are most of Prince's.

purplesweat said:

ratchetchan said:

[color=#ff6600:97c18c854e]Both of them SUCK (literally and figuratively), but the old one at least had SOME promise as a performer even with that hideous mating call of a voice and the blatant attempted replication of Beyoncé. This one is lazy and has a disgusting sense of entitlement that the music-buying public refuses to validate (see Rated R).[/color] [Edited 5/29/10 11:32am]

I saw the old Rihanna live (not by choice) and she perfectly matched your description of the new one. Rated R debuted at #4 in the US, went platinum and is her highest selling debut position, beating Good Girl Gone Bad. Critically acclaimed. 3 million copies sold worldwide. Rude Boy reached #1 in USA and numerous other countries, as well as being a top 10 hit almost everywhere it was released. Hard peaked at #8 in the USA, Russian Roulette #9. [Edited 5/29/10 19:44pm]

Rated Rihject was released on the biggest sales week of the year after she'd had a huge success with a previous album and given an interview in prime time about Chris Brown killing her. And yet she couldn't get to #1 or even near it and barely outsold her previous album's first week sales, which weren't that damn good anyway. It may be certified platinum but it has NOT scanned 1 million copies - after six months.

It JUST scraped over 2 million worldwide. JUST.

"Rude Boy" was aided by payola. And it still couldn't sell the album.

Flop, flop.

ratchetchan said:

purplesweat said:

ratchetchan said:

[color=#ff6600:97c18c854e]Both of them SUCK (literally and figuratively), but the old one at least had SOME promise as a performer even with that hideous mating call of a voice and the blatant attempted replication of Beyoncé. This one is lazy and has a disgusting sense of entitlement that the music-buying public refuses to validate (see Rated R).[/color] [Edited 5/29/10 11:32am]

I saw the old Rihanna live (not by choice) and she perfectly matched your description of the new one. Rated R debuted at #4 in the US, went platinum and is her highest selling debut position, beating Good Girl Gone Bad. Critically acclaimed. 3 million copies sold worldwide. Rude Boy reached #1 in USA and numerous other countries, as well as being a top 10 hit almost everywhere it was released. Hard peaked at #8 in the USA, Russian Roulette #9. [Edited 5/29/10 19:44pm]

Rated Rihject was released on the biggest sales week of the year after she'd had a huge success with a previous album and given an interview in prime time about Chris Brown killing her. And yet she couldn't get to #1 or even near it and barely outsold her previous album's first week sales, which weren't that damn good anyway. It may be certified platinum but it has NOT scanned 1 million copies - after six months.

It JUST scraped over 2 million worldwide. JUST.

"Rude Boy" was aided by payola. And it still couldn't sell the album.

Flop, flop.

I don't doubt it wasn't as huge as GGGB but to say it was a flop is just untrue and biased.

It also suffered from the wrong singles being released. It should have been Rude Boy first, then Firebomb, Photographs, then Rockstar 101. Hole in Your Head should've been on the album and been the last single.

purplesweat said:

ratchetchan said:

purplesweat said:

ratchetchan said:

[color=#ff6600:97c18c854e]Both of them SUCK (literally and figuratively), but the old one at least had SOME promise as a performer even with that hideous mating call of a voice and the blatant attempted replication of Beyoncé. This one is lazy and has a disgusting sense of entitlement that the music-buying public refuses to validate (see Rated R).[/color] [Edited 5/29/10 11:32am]

I saw the old Rihanna live (not by choice) and she perfectly matched your description of the new one. Rated R debuted at #4 in the US, went platinum and is her highest selling debut position, beating Good Girl Gone Bad. Critically acclaimed. 3 million copies sold worldwide. Rude Boy reached #1 in USA and numerous other countries, as well as being a top 10 hit almost everywhere it was released. Hard peaked at #8 in the USA, Russian Roulette #9. [Edited 5/29/10 19:44pm]

Rated Rihject was released on the biggest sales week of the year after she'd had a huge success with a previous album and given an interview in prime time about Chris Brown killing her. And yet she couldn't get to #1 or even near it and barely outsold her previous album's first week sales, which weren't that damn good anyway. It may be certified platinum but it has NOT scanned 1 million copies - after six months.

It JUST scraped over 2 million worldwide. JUST.

"Rude Boy" was aided by payola. And it still couldn't sell the album.

Flop, flop.

I don't doubt it wasn't as huge as GGGB but to say it was a flop is just untrue and biased.

It also suffered from the wrong singles being released. It should have been Rude Boy first, then Firebomb, Photographs, then Rockstar 101. Hole in Your Head should've been on the album and been the last single.

A flop is a product that falls drastically short of the expectations placed upon it. That is exactly what happened here. She had all this hype and couldn't get NEAR the pole position on the Billboard 200 (even GGGB got to #2), only got a forced #1 single after an album that yielded three #1s, hasn't sold a mil and at this point, won't until the album falls out of the 200, and her tour apparently isn't selling the tickets here. Those are the facts, no bias.

And "the wrong singles were released" = an excuse.

ratchetchan said:

purplesweat said:

ratchetchan said:

purplesweat said:

ratchetchan said:

[color=#ff6600:97c18c854e]Both of them SUCK (literally and figuratively), but the old one at least had SOME promise as a performer even with that hideous mating call of a voice and the blatant attempted replication of Beyoncé. This one is lazy and has a disgusting sense of entitlement that the music-buying public refuses to validate (see Rated R).[/color] [Edited 5/29/10 11:32am]

I saw the old Rihanna live (not by choice) and she perfectly matched your description of the new one. Rated R debuted at #4 in the US, went platinum and is her highest selling debut position, beating Good Girl Gone Bad. Critically acclaimed. 3 million copies sold worldwide. Rude Boy reached #1 in USA and numerous other countries, as well as being a top 10 hit almost everywhere it was released. Hard peaked at #8 in the USA, Russian Roulette #9. [Edited 5/29/10 19:44pm]

Rated Rihject was released on the biggest sales week of the year after she'd had a huge success with a previous album and given an interview in prime time about Chris Brown killing her. And yet she couldn't get to #1 or even near it and barely outsold her previous album's first week sales, which weren't that damn good anyway. It may be certified platinum but it has NOT scanned 1 million copies - after six months.

It JUST scraped over 2 million worldwide. JUST.

"Rude Boy" was aided by payola. And it still couldn't sell the album.

Flop, flop.

I don't doubt it wasn't as huge as GGGB but to say it was a flop is just untrue and biased.

It also suffered from the wrong singles being released. It should have been Rude Boy first, then Firebomb, Photographs, then Rockstar 101. Hole in Your Head should've been on the album and been the last single.

A flop is a product that falls drastically short of the expectations placed upon it. That is exactly what happened here. She had all this hype and couldn't get NEAR the pole position on the Billboard 200 (even GGGB got to #2), only got a forced #1 single after an album that yielded three #1s, hasn't sold a mil and at this point, won't until the album falls out of the 200, and her tour apparently isn't selling the tickets here. Those are the facts, no bias.

And "the wrong singles were released" = an excuse.

Starting a new era with a deathly slow ballad about potentially shooting yourself is a ridiculously wrong single choice. While it still went Top 10, no one is gonna want to buy the album if they think that song is representative of the whole disc.

purplesweat said:

ratchetchan said:

purplesweat said:

ratchetchan said:

purplesweat said:

ratchetchan said:

[color=#ff6600:97c18c854e]Both of them SUCK (literally and figuratively), but the old one at least had SOME promise as a performer even with that hideous mating call of a voice and the blatant attempted replication of Beyoncé. This one is lazy and has a disgusting sense of entitlement that the music-buying public refuses to validate (see Rated R).[/color] [Edited 5/29/10 11:32am]

I saw the old Rihanna live (not by choice) and she perfectly matched your description of the new one. Rated R debuted at #4 in the US, went platinum and is her highest selling debut position, beating Good Girl Gone Bad. Critically acclaimed. 3 million copies sold worldwide. Rude Boy reached #1 in USA and numerous other countries, as well as being a top 10 hit almost everywhere it was released. Hard peaked at #8 in the USA, Russian Roulette #9. [Edited 5/29/10 19:44pm]

Rated Rihject was released on the biggest sales week of the year after she'd had a huge success with a previous album and given an interview in prime time about Chris Brown killing her. And yet she couldn't get to #1 or even near it and barely outsold her previous album's first week sales, which weren't that damn good anyway. It may be certified platinum but it has NOT scanned 1 million copies - after six months.

It JUST scraped over 2 million worldwide. JUST.

"Rude Boy" was aided by payola. And it still couldn't sell the album.

Flop, flop.

I don't doubt it wasn't as huge as GGGB but to say it was a flop is just untrue and biased.

It also suffered from the wrong singles being released. It should have been Rude Boy first, then Firebomb, Photographs, then Rockstar 101. Hole in Your Head should've been on the album and been the last single.

A flop is a product that falls drastically short of the expectations placed upon it. That is exactly what happened here. She had all this hype and couldn't get NEAR the pole position on the Billboard 200 (even GGGB got to #2), only got a forced #1 single after an album that yielded three #1s, hasn't sold a mil and at this point, won't until the album falls out of the 200, and her tour apparently isn't selling the tickets here. Those are the facts, no bias.

And "the wrong singles were released" = an excuse.

Starting a new era with a deathly slow ballad about potentially shooting yourself is a ridiculously wrong single choice. While it still went Top 10, no one is gonna want to buy the album if they think that song is representative of the whole disc.

Yes, but that's THEIR fault. And it should have been successful because it was "dark" and she was supposed to be all dark and twisty because Christ Brown shooke her like a baby... but right after and I do mean RIGHT AFTER she got on TV and lied, the people said DNW.

purplesweat said:

Starting a new era with a deathly slow ballad about potentially shooting yourself is a ridiculously wrong single choice. While it still went Top 10, no one is gonna want to buy the album if they think that song is representative of the whole disc.

Then naming your album "Rated R". I know it's all about relating it back to Rihanna, but at a glance I thought the R.R. stood for Russian Roulette being the title track.

Hell, she's holding her eye like she just shot it out of her head

She's supposed to be rated G anyway

damn rihanna sucks big time..

i don't know why you guys in here are so interested in her..

0% talent, 0% voice..

Audexia said:

I HATE both rihannas and her forehead should have its own ZIP code

now how did i know there was gonna be a fo' heed joke XD

basically she can't help how she looks but yeah im gettin' sick of how she goes on like she's something special

what annoys me is her voice..and i know im goin back into the looks department here but it's about voice reasons

..how exacty does a woman with such a large nose have such a nasaly voice? o.o

Girl4both said:

I think she looks much more interesting with short hair. When she had the long hair she looked like a Beyonce wannabe. Back in 2004-06 everyone was trying to look like Beyonce. I'm happy she 'brought' short hair back.

gots ta disagree with you there..having long hair doesn't make you a beyonce wannabe..don't most women have longer hair than men?..before and after beyonce had a career..same with dying hair blonde too,whitney houston did it, T-boz did it..tina turner did it

purplesweat said:

Cinnie said:

good for her, but the lyrics to "rude boy" are just eww.

So are most of Prince's.

What should Prince sing about? about healing the world while driving a Mercedes?

This thread is an epic fail. No offense to VenusBling personally.

Grace Jones Rihanna has only had four albums, and is only 22. I laughed out loud when I saw the subject line of the thread.

What the hell "old" is there? It's more like "Pre-Beat Down" and "Post-Beat Down" Rihanna. Let's face it, no one was singing "Umbrella" after those pictures hit the web. Her watershed moment in her "career" is that incident, not her music. It's what people still talk about. They aren't talking about anything musically. It's Chris Brown, or a negative album review, or a horrible picture of her. She's a train wreck. She's a little girl lost, and I fear this is all going to just eat her up.

Her latest album flopped worse than a 70 year old fat woman's titties in a swimming pool.

People are even talking about her hair length, instead of any particular set of songs that are ground breaking or memorable. THAT tells you everything.

Pretty girl, but a train wreck vocally in my opinion. I don't think she was even marketed to be vocalist per say. Just a pretty face that sings to hip hop, dance and pop tracks. Nice sounding voice but definitely not a "singer" in the classical sense. I digging the way the "auto-tune" is popping up in songs so frequently these days to help artists like Rihanna out a bit.

I gotta agree, I am seeing a change in her image. It's like she's becoming some sort of a "bad girl" or something. Can't put my finger on it.

TonyVanDam said:

shorttrini said:

The "New Rihanna", is not new at all and certainly not original. She has FeFe Dobson to thank for it. Her people cannot even come up with anything that is original...I kinda perfer the old Rihanna, at least this was closer to her true self.

.....and Grace Jones. However, Grace was way better in the creative arts side of the music business than Rhianna could ever be!

Word, Grace Jones was hell of creative. And she had a little bit too much personality. LOL. Slaveeeee to da rhythymm... Werkkkk to da rhythymm...