Huggiebear said:

dseann said:

Huggiebear said:

Do you all get tired of rappers using the word motherfucker in rap songs. Its been used since gangsta rap started in the late 80s with Ice T and NWA, and now its still going, why, whats it proving. Reminds me of a line from the Fugees The Score rapped by Lauryn "And after all that logic, I add a motherfucker so you ignant niggas hear me". Even an intelligent rap artist like Kanye West, its motherfxxk this and motherfxxk that. Seriously its time to start cleaning up rap music and make it positive again like it was in the early days and fun like White Lines. Did Mellie Mel or Grandmaster Flash have to swear in that to get his message across, hell naw!

Why don't you write to all the rappers who use the offensive word and have them explain why they shouldn't use it anymore because you don't like it? My favorite rapper of all time is The Notorious B.I.G. and the only person in the industry who used that word more times in one song than he did was Prince with Sexy M.F. If you don't like it don't listen to it or don't buy it. You have no right to mess with Freedom of Speech.

Yes, but what if you live in a country, where there are restrictions like broadcasting standards, that disscriminate against questionable and objectionable material that can be foul language, tasteless themes, advocation of socially destructive and deviant behaviours along with marginalisation of certain groups. Swear word laden hip hop is guilty of all these crimes, a lot of these songs have excessive swearing, they rap about drugs, crime, murdering people, tasteless masterialism such as expenisve alcohol, cars and jewellery, degrade women down to the role of sex objects and marginalise, women, drug addicts, homosexuals and in some cases members of ethnic groups that are not negro or Hispanic.

If this is what freedom of speech entails, let me out, surely there should be a hate speech law passed there, as it is in our country (The peoples Socialist and Democratic republic of Aotearoa).

chocolate1 said:

Marrk said:

Prince built a whole song around the word. He must have set a world record the amount of times it was said in Sexy MF. It got a pass from me back then, but as i get older, i find i'm not a fan of profanity for the sake of it.

My Mom used to say, "You're not going to play that MF song, are you?" I got the edited version where he just says "sexy Mother"- I play that now.

I've actually always found Sexy MF kind of boring for a few reasons, least of which is the cussing.

It's not just hip hop.

Maybe it's just the circles I run with, but motherfucker can come in handy as a catch-all noun, verb, and adjective.

Huggiebear said:

dseann said:

Huggiebear said: Why don't you write to all the rappers who use the offensive word and have them explain why they shouldn't use it anymore because you don't like it? My favorite rapper of all time is The Notorious B.I.G. and the only person in the industry who used that word more times in one song than he did was Prince with Sexy M.F. If you don't like it don't listen to it or don't buy it. You have no right to mess with Freedom of Speech.

Yes, but what if you live in a country, where there are restrictions like broadcasting standards, that disscriminate against questionable and objectionable material that can be foul language, tasteless themes, advocation of socially destructive and deviant behaviours along with marginalisation of certain groups. Swear word laden hip hop is guilty of all these crimes, a lot of these songs have excessive swearing, they rap about drugs, crime, murdering people, tasteless masterialism such as expenisve alcohol, cars and jewellery, degrade women down to the role of sex objects and marginalise, women, drug addicts, homosexuals and in some cases members of ethnic groups that are not negro or Hispanic.

If this is what freedom of speech entails, let me out, surely there should be a hate speech law passed there, as it is in our country (The peoples Socialist and Democratic republic of Aotearoa).

Please, the same can be said of rock and roll. The same can be said of most of movies being made today as well. Does The peoples Socialist and Democratic republic of Aotearoa censor movies as well as music?

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Cursing is all over entertainment. Bottom line.

Timmy84 said:

Cursing is all over entertainment. Bottom line.

Cursing is all over life. WTF?

dseann said:

Timmy84 said:

Cursing is all over entertainment. Bottom line.

Cursing is all over life. WTF?

Yes. LOL

Timmy84 said:

dseann said:

Cursing is all over life. WTF?

Yes. LOL

Seriously, what is up with HuggieBear? Dude sounds like he's been living in a cave all his life.

dseann said:

Huggiebear said:

Yes, but what if you live in a country, where there are restrictions like broadcasting standards, that disscriminate against questionable and objectionable material that can be foul language, tasteless themes, advocation of socially destructive and deviant behaviours along with marginalisation of certain groups. Swear word laden hip hop is guilty of all these crimes, a lot of these songs have excessive swearing, they rap about drugs, crime, murdering people, tasteless masterialism such as expenisve alcohol, cars and jewellery, degrade women down to the role of sex objects and marginalise, women, drug addicts, homosexuals and in some cases members of ethnic groups that are not negro or Hispanic.

If this is what freedom of speech entails, let me out, surely there should be a hate speech law passed there, as it is in our country (The peoples Socialist and Democratic republic of Aotearoa).

Please, the same can be said of rock and roll. The same can be said of most of movies being made today as well. Does The peoples Socialist and Democratic republic of Aotearoa censor movies as well as music?

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Yes it does, we have a chief sensor, if a movie is generic Hollywood crap, with big budget, stars, egos, violence and machine gun swearing, its released to the masses in googooplexes. If its got art, preferably British, foreign and real acting that doesn't involve swearing or boobies, it goes to an arthouse cinema. Anything truly tasteless is not screened, including extreme violence, hardcore movies, any movie that exploits or harm children and movies of questionable tastes and views such as pro racism or pro nuclear themes.

Huggiebear said:

dseann said:

Please, the same can be said of rock and roll. The same can be said of most of movies being made today as well. Does The peoples Socialist and Democratic republic of Aotearoa censor movies as well as music?

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Yes it does, we have a chief sensor, if a movie is generic Hollywood crap, with big budget, stars, egos, violence and machine gun swearing, its released to the masses in googooplexes. If its got art, preferably British, foreign and real acting that doesn't involve swearing or boobies, it goes to an arthouse cinema. Anything truly tasteless is not screened, including extreme violence, hardcore movies, any movie that exploits or harm children and movies of questionable tastes and views such as pro racism or pro nuclear themes.

Wow! I like it when I make my own determination of what offends me. Just because the "powers that be" don't like something doesn't mean I won't. That's bullshit. Anyway, if you want to hear hip hop without the curses, buy the edited version of the albums. They're available all over the place.

Huggiebear said:

dseann said:

Please, the same can be said of rock and roll. The same can be said of most of movies being made today as well. Does The peoples Socialist and Democratic republic of Aotearoa censor movies as well as music?

[Edited 6/6/10 17:12pm]

Yes it does, we have a chief sensor, if a movie is generic Hollywood crap, with big budget, stars, egos, violence and machine gun swearing, its released to the masses in googooplexes. If its got art, preferably British, foreign and real acting that doesn't involve swearing or boobies, it goes to an arthouse cinema. Anything truly tasteless is not screened, including extreme violence, hardcore movies, any movie that exploits or harm children and movies of questionable tastes and views such as pro racism or pro nuclear themes.

Wow...I really don't know what to say to that...

its not exclusive to hip hop

Well it's clear that no one can blame use of "motherfucker" on one genre. Hell Richard Pryor, the greatest comedian of all time, used motherfucker all the time.

Timmy84 said:

Well it's clear that no one can blame use of "motherfucker" on one genre. Hell Richard Pryor, the greatest comedian of all time, used motherfucker all the time.

As did his predecessor Redd Foxx.

Muthafucka

Huggiebear, I noticed on your profile you listed Prince music: Dirty Mind ("Sister" contains the word "motherfucker"), "Let's Pretend We're Married" ('I sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth') and "Erotic City" ('We can fuck until the dawn...'). Got a problem with those too???

You just don't like hip-hop period. You even say so....

dannyd5050 said:

Huggiebear, I noticed on your profile you listed Prince music: Dirty Mind ("Sister" contains the word "motherfucker"), "Let's Pretend We're Married" ('I sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth') and "Erotic City" ('We can fuck until the dawn...'). Got a problem with those too???

You just don't like hip-hop period. You even say so....

You see it's one thing to not like Hip-Hop but I really think dude is just trying to find stupid ways to criticize the genre, like this pointless thread about the use of "Muthafucka" or "Motherfucker".

dseann said:

Timmy84 said:

Well it's clear that no one can blame use of "motherfucker" on one genre. Hell Richard Pryor, the greatest comedian of all time, used motherfucker all the time.

As did his predecessor Redd Foxx.

Yep.

Yes I hate hip hop, and I started the thread, because the word motherfucker in a rap song is stereotypical. Sue me.

Huggiebear said:

Yes I hate hip hop, and I started the thread, because the word motherfucker in a rap song is stereotypical. Sue me.

If that's your reason for hating hip hop, it's sure a stupid one...nevermind the other genres of music that use it the word.

Huggiebear said:

Yes I hate hip hop, and I started the thread, because the word motherfucker in a rap song is stereotypical. Sue me.

Was it Millie Jackson who had a song that said ... "if anybody don't like Millie Jackson they can kiss my ass"? Well I'm no fan of the majority of hip hop "songs" out there either, but there are some exceptions to the rule and these exceptions use the "n" word a lot, which I hate. I would and could never write off the entire genre because of the use of a word that "I" don't like. I'm not that shallow.

dseann said:

Well I'm no fan of the majority of hip hop "songs" out there either, but there are some exceptions to the rule and these exceptions use the "n" word a lot, which I hate.

On that note, yet slightly off-topic, I've been listening to The Charlie Daniels Band "The Roots Remain" this past week, and they're referring to each other as "Red-Necks" left and right on that CD, lol. Reminded me of some rap CD's use of the "N" word.

NastradumasKid said:

Huggiebear said:

Yes I hate hip hop, and I started the thread, because the word motherfucker in a rap song is stereotypical. Sue me.

If that's your reason for hating hip hop, it's sure a stupid one...nevermind the other genres of music that use it the word.

I have many other reasons for disliking post 1990 hip hop besides the mf word. Try

1. Lack of musical skills, no instruments except sample beats and drum machines, reliance on rhyming skills. No guitars, no drums, maybe a keyboard, and some looped sample beats. 80s rap at least had scratching, occasional bass and keyboards.

2. Idiotic and nihilistic subject matter, songs about raping women, shooting people, doing drugs, threatening to harm other people. Advocating drug use and alcoholism, brand dropping like Hennessy, Escalades, bling, chromes etc.

3. Well known feuds and rap battles

4. Lack of intelligence from many rappers, most spell words wrong deliberately, speaking in idiom. Using certain swear words excessively.

5. A lot of hip hop propagates negative stereotypes of Black Americans as hip hopping chain wearing thugs, who see drugs and alcoholism and a life means nothing mentality.

6. Poor role models, most hip hop artists seem, to have run ins with the law, from rape, drug crimes, assaults and even murder.

7. Some artists have gang connections and/or sympathies with criminal gangs.

8. They promote excessive and swanky lifestyles to people who are so marginalised, the only way they can emulate these lifestyles is through crime.

9. Some rappers have racist messages against people not of their own skin colour, Asian people are also the victims of many racist raps like Black Korea by Ice Cube.

10. Complete lack of any form of morality.

11. Short career span in many cases, rappers last 2 albums at most (Of Course people like Jay Z and Ice Cube are glittering exceptions, but they have cleaned their act and diversified)

Most of my venom is not aimed at positive rappers or rappers who have grown up a bit like Ice Cube and Jay Z. I am thinking mostly of clowns like Lil Wayne, Lil Jon, Gucci Mane and those types and any Junior Mafia gangster types.

Positive rap and old school rap was witty, clever and had a good melody to it, their raps were fun and positive, gangster shit only started with NWA (But at least early gangsta rap and G Funk had melody and some great mic skills, its all these imitators and everything that came after G Funk I get tired of)

Do you need some more reasons to hate shit hop?

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PDogz said:

dseann said:

Well I'm no fan of the majority of hip hop "songs" out there either, but there are some exceptions to the rule and these exceptions use the "n" word a lot, which I hate.

On that note, yet slightly off-topic, I've been listening to The Charlie Daniels Band "The Roots Remain" this past week, and they're referring to each other as "Red-Necks" left and right on that CD, lol. Reminded me of some rap CD's use of the "N" word.

I've heard the reasons why hip hop artists use the "N" word(to each his/her own) and I guess the use of "red necks" by the Charlie Daniels Band has a similar reason. My parents are from the Caribbean and the "N" word isn't a part of the culture unless by some black/hispanic-Amreican wanna be.

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dseann said:

PDogz said:

On that note, yet slightly off-topic, I've been listening to The Charlie Daniels Band "The Roots Remain" this past week, and they're referring to each other as "Red-Necks" left and right on that CD, lol. Reminded me of some rap CD's use of the "N" word.

I've heard the reasons why hip hop artists use the "N" word(to each his/her own) and I guess the use of "red necks" by the Charlie Daniels Band has a similar reason. My parents are from the Caribbean and the "N" word isn't a part of the culture unless by some black/hispanic-Amreican wanna be.

The last artist that was able to use the "N" word so excessively and NOT offend me was ICE-T, lol. In fact, when ICE-T used it, I could feel the love, lol. Seriously, lol.

PDogz said:

dseann said:

I've heard the reasons why hip hop artists use the "N" word(to each his/her own) and I guess the use of "red necks" by the Charlie Daniels Band has a similar reason. My parents are from the Caribbean and the "N" word isn't a part of the culture unless by some black/hispanic-Amreican wanna be.

The last artist that was able to use the "N" word so excessively and NOT offend me was ICE-T, lol. In fact, when ICE-T used it, I could feel the love, lol. Seriously, lol.

Wow. Was he fucking you at the time?