angel345 said:

Why are you showing me that? LOL I know the definition of pedophilia.

Vendetta1 said:

You said teenagers have sex with adults and it is illegal. I'm just pointing out that it's not.

Can I ask, to those of you that are have a problem with this, which part(s) specifically are not OK to you? Is it Miley's age? Shankman's age? The age difference between the two?

If she was 18 and not 16, would it be OK? If he was 16/18/20/25/30 would it be OK?

Why does age matter and at what point does it stop mattering?

If he was straight, would it still be equally wrong, or worse? Who are you guys blaming more, her or him, or both?

I'm not sure why specifically this is a big deal. I'm trying to understand why everyone is making it out to be.

If I had a daughter Miley's age - and she was doing this.... it still wouldn't be a big deal. She's not committing any crime. There's no victim here.

I remember going to clubs with fake ID's when I was younger than her (14, 15 or so) and there were girls the same age doing shit like this, drinking loads of hard liquor, snorting coke and blowing dudes in the bathroom. It happens quite regularly in the UK, probably not in the US though as you guys are stricter about ID checks and whatnot. It's a normality. So maybe that's why I don't get how a 16 year grinding up against a gay dude is a big deal. I'd lost my virginity, sold drugs and been in jail by the time I was 16. Quite frankly I'd say that damn near every 16 year old girl I have ever known has been doing stuff like this and worse.

Is it worse because she's famous? Do you have an issue with every girl her age who is doing stuff like this?

Militant said:

Well, sure were fast as a teen. No wonder you don't understand.
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angel345 said:

You missed my point. She might be a child, but he clearly doesn't have a sexual attraction to her, because he's gay. Therefore he's not a pedophile.

NastradumasKid said:

Of course I'm not. Don't be ridiculous. That isn't what I said and it isn't something I would ever say.

What makes her a child? Societal norms? The law? If another 16 year old finds Miley sexually attractive does that make him a pedophile too? I slept with 20 year olds when I was 16.....does that make them pedophiles?

Militant said:

I'm not ridiculous, but I am crazy, but that's another story.
I think it doesn't but then again the laws in the UK aren't the same as the laws in the US.

NastradumasKid said:

I'm saying though - is it about laws? Do people abide by the laws or only the ones they agree with? There's just so many variables. Are the morals of what's right and wrong based upon the laws of the land?

Like, if I hypothetically were to sleep with Miley Cyrus (I'm 22, for the record), in the UK, where the age of consent is 16, would that be OK?

But if it happened in the US, you guys would consider me a pedophile, because according to US law she's a child?

What if my girlfriend was 17 years old, thereby perfectly legal in the UK, and we went on vacation to the US, would I be a pedophile if I slept with her when I was there? Is that a situation where the age difference matters? Because I know plenty of 17 year olds that date men in their late 20's and sometimes early 30's.

miley Cyrus has about 2 years before she spirals out of control and ends up running over a paparazzi in a vain attempt at maintaining her privacy. Then she'll end up on some reality show trying to find redemption and love. It will be titled My Achy Breaky Heart!

NastradumasKid said:

I didn't read Meow's post as trying to make excuses. I don't know: that's her take on it but my take on it is I don't give a fuck if the guy was straight or gay. She is a 16 year old CHILD who obviously still has the mind of a child judging by the continuous bad decisions she is making.

Doesn't help that her father is a pimp.

Militant said:

I don't know, you're asking a lot from me. I'm only 18 going on 19 and I surely wasn't doing any of the things Miley or you were at 16 or even now. I'm not judging you, just say. I really can't give you an actual anwser. It's just the law according to the US. As for morals being involved, to some extent yes.

HonestMan13 said:

FIXED! But in all seriousness, I really don't want this little girl ending up like Lindsey Lohan.
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Vendetta1 said:

I agree. Her father, to some extent, is a pimp. Just trying to make money off of her, with his one-hit wonder ass.

Militant said:

Dude, please do not try to bog this conversation down in semantics. You know damn well that I am discussing Miley being underage. When she is legal age in THIS country, I don't give a fuck who she bones. If it's normal over there in the UK, whooptie fucking doo for you guys.

Why does age matter? Because a young mind is easy to manipulate. I am a relatively bright woman and I regret the sex I had as a teenager. I was not mentally ready for it even though I was physically.

Just because young girls over there do shit like that all the time over there may be normal but it is NOT okay. I wonder how many of you over 30 would be bragging to the world that you're fucking a 16 year old.

NastradumasKid said:

Billy Ray needs his ass beat for a myriad of reasons.

Vendetta1 said:

If I was over 30, I would even say or do such a thing.

Vendetta1 said:

I am not "bogging it down with semantics". I'm not even defending her. I'm simply trying to understand WHY this is such a big deal because to me, it is not.

You say you're discussing her being underage - but she didn't sleep with this guy. He wouldn't even if she wanted to, because he is gay.

You say "a young mind is easy to manipulate" - well frankly I find that very condescending. Not everyone regrets the sex they had as a teenager even if you do. And like I said again - she didn't even sleep with the guy, she danced with him in a mildly sexual way which is completely moot because he's gay. She probably did it as a joke, knowing that he's gay.

And as for your "whooptie fucking doo", well I personally find it funny that you're even getting angry over something so minor. Don't attempt to diminish my perfectly valid points just because you are unable to respond to them in a calm and intellectual manner.

Militant said:

Speaking for myself I just think it's better to allow kids to be kids. Those 18 short years fly by fast enough without young people having the added burden of adult concerns and behavior. If you're lucky, you'll have many decades ahead of you to worry about adult stuff. I understand that your perspective might be very different from someone like me who grew up in the 60s and 70s, but I think it's problematic that young people are so overexposesd before they have the chance to shape their identity and develop a sense of themselves.

We always hear adults complaining that the younger generation has no respect but by the same token, adults today don't have enough respect for kids not to expose them to things that they don't need in their young lives regardless of gender, sexual orientation, fame or lack thereof.

Your list of adventures blows my mind. Sure, we got into mischief from time to time with kids our own age but nothing too ambitious. We used to sneak into clubs...to dance...then we walked home giggling about the drunks and that was it.

The thing is, you survived but a lot of kids aren't so lucky and can really be scarred and confused for many years by so much heavy stuff being thown at them in their youth. I think that adults who take an anything goes attitude regarding young people are irresponsible.

Some of you just love to argue for the sake of arguing

babynoz said:

Go on ahead! I'm almost 19 I haven't even had sex, done drugs, sneak into clubs, or anything like that. And you're right, Parents needs to take responsiblity and keep their children from being exposed to certain things they will not fully comprehend and it'll affect them in the long run. Despite my non-adventurous teen years, I will say that I have seen some things I wish for no child ro ever see, (i.e. porn at the age of 8 ).

trueiopian said:

No, I just like it for the hell of it.

Militant said:

Because I use profanity you think I'm angry?

Not even. Oh and I can respond in a calm and intellectual manner:


Nowhere did I say that just because I was not ready for sex that all teenaged girls are not. I spoke of my own personal experience. I do believe it is a bit dishonest to say that young minds are not easy to manipulate. And condescending? Pot meet kettle.

And you think you have valid points and I do not. I do believe our society is overly sexual, that we make little girls into women before their time. Over here, anyone over 18 having sex with someone under that age is illegal. It is not right to have children and teenagers making adult decisions.

Once again the issue should be about the conduct of the ADULTS in this situation. That man should've never allowed nor participated in dry fucking a 16 years old girl on the dance floor. Period. No excuses, he's the ADULT! For all the.. what's the big deal or this is a common occurance: her lapse of judgment could've put this young woman in an uncompromising position.This went beyond foolishness, this was dangerous.





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TD3 said:

Exactly. You, Vendatte, and others all make good points about this. This isn't just whatever.

NastradumasKid said:

We weren't perfect little angels or anything but we knew how far to go with our silliness. There were boundaries and hell to pay if we crossed them, We'd get mad and pout for awhile but ultimately we felt loved and protected by adults who cared enough about us to set us straight and not do any and everything in front of us...and we still managed to have ourselves a whole lot of fun.

KID fun, that is

babynoz said:

Oh know you're not perfect and neither am I. I'm no saint, but I am different of most people my age. When I was 14, girls were wanted to have sex and stuff and although I thought about it a lot, I was too busy playing Crash Bandicoot and watching cartoons.

NastradumasKid said:

Had to bump this part because I think that it's possible to live a good life without necessarily living in the fast lane...young or old.

babynoz said:

I'm just a kid at heart I suppose although techincally I still or not far from one.

NastradumasKid said:

Take your time little sis...adulthood is overrated sometimes,

babynoz said:

Which is why I had a fear of aging when I was very young.

NastradumasKid said:

Good for you. The world would be a better place if teenage girls have
the thought process you did when you were that age. One of my friends teenage
daughter has put him through hell and back since she's been in high school.
She's has joined a gang, gotten pregnant(lost baby), and kicked out of school. It's unbelievable because whenever she approaches me it's always yes sir and no
sir and she usually hugs me. My friend just chalk it up to karma for the way
he's treated a few women back in the day.

phunkdaddy said:

Oh lord. How old is this girl? BTW, even at my age I still love video games and cartoons.