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Reply #60 posted 05/18/10 12:21am

SoulAlive

ernestsewell said:

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

Michael Jackson's album was only called "Bad" because there wasn't enough room on the sleeve for "Pathetic."
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Prince was sweatin' MJ big time back then, and it's obvious as sunshine in July. Prince was still making great music for the fans and trying new things, but he was losing Top 40 appeal, little by little.

BAD garnered more #1 hits than Thriller, with five singles peaking at #1. (It's the only album to do that.) Prince released SOTT and Lovesexy in the two years that MJ was promoting BAD, and gearing up for a tour in 1989 (I think).

BAD sold 30 million records. Neither SOTT or Lovesexy, as great as they are, even came close to that in America, and was sporadic in other countries (although Lovesexy did reach #1 in the UK). Combined, they didn't even clear 6 million in the US. BAD hit #1 in every country except AUS where it hit #2. It actually did better than Thriller in the #1 spot in the international charts.

Prince needs to check himself on this one. BAD was chalked full of incredible music, (it's still my favorite MJ album). SOTT was primed for great singles, but Prince lost interest and couldn't stick with it. Lovesexy was a money gulp when it came to the tour.

It's not about which album is better over the others, but the public has spoken on that 2 year time period. The only pathetic thing about that time Prince's attitude. So much for finding God. He should have dueted on something else besides "Bad" (although that would have been classic), and just done the duet like everyone (the fans) wanted! He could have used the bucks.


It should also be noted that,in 1991,Prince hired Michael's manager Frank Dileo to oversee the promotion and singles of his 'Diamonds And Pearls' album.Prince saw that Michael's albums were having five or more hits,and he wanted the same.
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Reply #61 posted 05/18/10 12:24am

SoulAlive

bboy87 said:

I vaguely remembering hearing about Chaka talking about Mary J for covering "Sweet Thing"


Yeah,Chaka made it known that she didn't like Mary's remake of "Sweet Thing" lol She said this to Mary's face.Mary explained that she recorded the song at 8 O'clock in the morning and wasn't really "awake" yet.Chaka advised her to NEVER enter a recording studio that early in the morning.
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Reply #62 posted 05/18/10 12:26am

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Dewrede said:

SoulAlive said:

I'm surprised that they didn't mention Sinead O Connor's blistering attack on Prince.Back in 1990,she visited him and they got into a heated altercation...

"His problem is that,I did a song of his ("Nothing Compares 2 U") without him being involved.He's jealous.And he did say to me that he wishes I had never done his song.I think that,frankly,that song saved his fucking ass.He was in serious financial trouble until that song happened."


Double ouch! eek

what a stupid cow
she owes her entire career to him ffs

Prince was huge in 1990 so that comment of her's is complete nonsense



gotta admit i liked her 2nd album though
but i reckon she's rather washed up now




btw she looks just like a man nowadays confused

[Edited 5/11/10 8:24am]


You gotta be careful about throwing that statement out. When used towards a female, it can be perceived wrongly. Cha know?
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Reply #63 posted 05/18/10 12:28am

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midiscover said:

SoulAlive said:


"I could stand on the freeway with no clothes on and people would notice me too,but that wouldn't make me an artist"---Janet Jackson,commenting on Madonna


mushy


lol


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Reply #64 posted 05/18/10 12:34am

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SoulAlive said:

bboy87 said:

I vaguely remembering hearing about Chaka talking about Mary J for covering "Sweet Thing"


Yeah,Chaka made it known that she didn't like Mary's remake of "Sweet Thing" lol She said this to Mary's face.Mary explained that she recorded the song at 8 O'clock in the morning and wasn't really "awake" yet.Chaka advised her to NEVER enter a recording studio that early in the morning.


Chaka also told her she looked a mess and to never go in public looking anything less then the star she was. I think Chaka's attitude was more a diva mentoring the next inline kind of thing.
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Reply #65 posted 05/18/10 4:20am

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rialb said:


They still draw large crowds with the same basic setlist that they had back in the '70s. They've got at least 2-2 1/2 hours of memorable music. It might not be to your taste but the millions of people around the world that go to the shows seem to like it just fine.

Memorable vs. familiar. "Ooops I Did It Again" is familiar, doesn't mean it's memorable. And Santana is right...that 2.5 hours is all flash and glitter.

How exactly would you define "memorable?" I think it's a crappy song but for a lot of folks "Forever"is memorable.

I think Santana is dead wrong. If it was all about the flash and glitter why would anyone bother buying the albums? Supposedly Kiss have sold over 100 million albums worldwide. Pretty impressive for a group that is "all flash and glitter."

I totally get that they may not be to your taste but for their fans, and there are millions of them going back 35 years, they have made plenty of memorable songs. They also have fairly substantial catalog sales which suggests that they are attracting new fans.
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Reply #66 posted 05/18/10 4:36am

SoulAlive

VinnyM27 said:

SoulAlive said:

I'm surprised that they didn't mention Sinead O Connor's blistering attack on Prince.Back in 1990,she visited him and they got into a heated altercation...

"His problem is that,I did a song of his ("Nothing Compares 2 U") without him being involved.He's jealous.And he did say to me that he wishes I had never done his song.I think that,frankly,that song saved his fucking ass.He was in serious financial trouble until that song happened."


Double ouch! eek

Financial trouble? Really? He just got off doing "Batman", which I'm sure he was paid well for, no? Maybe he was spending a lot (he probably still does). I've never heard The Family's take on the song, but I really dislike Prince's take on it. Boring. It's sad that Prince couldn't hear what a great job she did with the track?


Yep,'Batman' was a huge financial boost for Prince,so it's obvious that Sinead was exaggerating just a little lol Sinead's story is really weird,but I wouldn't be surprised if it really happened.Other female artists have spoken about heated arguments that they had with Prince.For example,Apollonia has said that when she decided to leave the Prince camp in 1985,Prince got pissed and told her "You'll never make it without me" eek And I know that there was a time in the mid-90s when he wasn't even speaking to Sheila E. 'I'm not allowed at Paisley Park anymore but I still love him",she said.
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Reply #67 posted 05/18/10 4:43am

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SoulAlive said:

VinnyM27 said:


Financial trouble? Really? He just got off doing "Batman", which I'm sure he was paid well for, no? Maybe he was spending a lot (he probably still does). I've never heard The Family's take on the song, but I really dislike Prince's take on it. Boring. It's sad that Prince couldn't hear what a great job she did with the track?


Yep,'Batman' was a huge financial boost for Prince,so it's obvious that Sinead was exaggerating just a little lol Sinead's story is really weird,but I wouldn't be surprised if it really happened.Other female artists have spoken about heated arguments that they had with Prince.For example,Apollonia has said that when she decided to leave the Prince camp in 1985,Prince got pissed and told her "You'll never make it without me" eek And I know that there was a time in the mid-90s when he wasn't even speaking to Sheila E. 'I'm not allowed at Paisley Park anymore but I still love him",she said.

Damn Prince was so pissed off with Sheila E. that he banned her from Paisley Park??? WTF??? omfg
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Reply #68 posted 05/18/10 4:58am

SoulAlive

missfee said:

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Yep,'Batman' was a huge financial boost for Prince,so it's obvious that Sinead was exaggerating just a little lol Sinead's story is really weird,but I wouldn't be surprised if it really happened.Other female artists have spoken about heated arguments that they had with Prince.For example,Apollonia has said that when she decided to leave the Prince camp in 1985,Prince got pissed and told her "You'll never make it without me" eek And I know that there was a time in the mid-90s when he wasn't even speaking to Sheila E. 'I'm not allowed at Paisley Park anymore but I still love him",she said.

Damn Prince was so pissed off with Sheila E. that he banned her from Paisley Park??? WTF??? omfg


Here's what happened...

In the early 90s,Prince opened up with a Glam Slam nightclub with his best friend/former bodyguard and business partner Gilbert Davison,who was also the president of Paisley Park Records.By the mid-90s,the two guys were no longer friends.They had a bitter argument.Prince removed all of his memorabilia from the Glam Slam nightclub and Gilbert retained ownership of the club.I think he even changed the name? Sheila E. was close friends with Gilbert and Prince,so she was caught in the middle of their feud.When she agreed to perform at Gilbert's club,Prince was irritated and stopped speaking to her.In a 1995 on-line Internet chat,Sheila revealed that she was "no longer allowed at Paisley Park,but I still love him".

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Reply #69 posted 05/18/10 5:20am

SoulAlive

"You can't take his music seriously.He does songs about oral sex and incest.Something else...he doesn't want to be black"---Rick James,early 80s interview,giving his opinion of Prince
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Reply #70 posted 05/18/10 5:28am

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bboy87 said:

midiscover said:



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Doesn't Mary seem like the kind of person who'd bring her OWN drink to a wine tasting? lol


and it would be Madog 20/20 wink
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Reply #71 posted 05/18/10 5:33am

SoulAlive

Dewrede said:[quote]

SoulAlive said:

I'm surprised that they didn't mention Sinead O Connor's blistering attack on Prince.Back in 1990,she visited him and they got into a heated altercation...

"His problem is that,I did a song of his ("Nothing Compares 2 U") without him being involved.He's jealous.And he did say to me that he wishes I had never done his song.I think that,frankly,that song saved his fucking ass.He was in serious financial trouble until that song happened."


Double ouch! eek


what a stupid cow.She owes her entire career to him.Prince was huge in 1990 so that comment of her's is complete nonsense


I'm not defending her,but let's be honest....the biggest "hit" that Prince had in 1990 was Sinead's cover of "Nothing Compares 2 U" lol His own 'Graffiti Bridge' album and movie didn't do very well.If it weren't for the huge success of "Nothing Compares 2 U",1990 might have been a disastrous year for Prince.As for her comments....she claims that it was Prince who got an attitude with her,telling her things like "You really should wear a dress and stop swearing so much".She claims that he sent his limo driver away,leaving her with no way to get back to the airport."He laughed at the fact that I was crying...saying that my big mouth had gotten me into trouble again".

hmmm not sure what to believe
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Reply #72 posted 05/18/10 5:34am

SoulAlive

click to enlarge

Sinead O'Connor Rolling Stone article (24th January, 1991)

Originally pu...

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Reply #73 posted 05/18/10 5:42am

Harlepolis

midiscover said:

Harlepolis said:



I'm so glad that Mimi didn't even acknowledge that attention seeking whore. Poor thing lol

Her usual shade throwing didn't help none when she crossed Mary J Blige though, remember that? lol And don't eeeeeven get me started on how Feminem tore her ass,,,now I never liked that HOT BOTHERED AND BEWILDERED QUEEN myself and I still don't, but I'd be a liar if I said I didn't cheer him lol somebody needs to put that delusional "look at me" syndrome patient down somewhere for her own sake.


eek lol


What? eek
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Reply #74 posted 05/18/10 5:44am

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midiscover said:

falloff

This thread ain't shit without Whitney's shade love



"I don't think of her"

lol
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She was real dismissive toward that reporter though. Nippy needs a good dose of humble pie, I sweah disbelief
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Reply #75 posted 05/18/10 5:51am

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CHIC0 said:

SoulAlive said:



I'm not sure how it started,but I remember Mariah was asked about Madonna and she said "Madonna was relevent when I was in junior high",or something to that effect.Does anyone know if this comment was made before 1995?





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Reply #76 posted 05/18/10 5:55am

SoulAlive

midiscover said:

falloff

This thread ain't shit without Whitney's shade love



"I don't think of her"


Whitney has an attitude in that interview lol I don't recall Mariah ever saying anything negative about Whitney,but I do recall a 1993 interview where Mariah was asked her opinion of 'The Bodyguard' movie.She made a funny face and was about to say something,then quickly tried to change the subject lol
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Reply #77 posted 05/18/10 5:56am

Harlepolis

SoulAlive said:

bboy87 said:

I vaguely remembering hearing about Chaka talking about Mary J for covering "Sweet Thing"


Yeah,Chaka made it known that she didn't like Mary's remake of "Sweet Thing" lol She said this to Mary's face.Mary explained that she recorded the song at 8 O'clock in the morning and wasn't really "awake" yet.Chaka advised her to NEVER enter a recording studio that early in the morning.


Chaka gave Mary so much grief back in the 90s though.

Mary was supposed to be in that "Missing You" line-up with Gladys, Chaka and Brandy,,,but she showed up at the studio high as a Georgia pine, Chaka checked her and sent her home, later they replaced her with Tamia. They became friends later on when Mary started to clean house.

But Chaka is known for letting folks have it to their faces. In her book, she would tell some fellow singers "Bitch, I never did think you could sing" lol Paula Abdul got a piece of Chaka's mind and Nippy was targeted as well in either Vibes Or Rhythm & Soul back in 1992(about her cover of "I'm Every Woman") - "Can't that bitch find something original to sing for once?"(Which is funny because she later appeared as a cameo in Nippy's video).

She became SO mellow nowadays though lol
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Reply #78 posted 05/18/10 5:56am

Harlepolis

And that "Prince Vs MJ" quote screams BULLSHIT to me.
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Reply #79 posted 05/18/10 6:01am

SoulAlive

Harlepolis said:

SoulAlive said:



Yeah,Chaka made it known that she didn't like Mary's remake of "Sweet Thing" lol She said this to Mary's face.Mary explained that she recorded the song at 8 O'clock in the morning and wasn't really "awake" yet.Chaka advised her to NEVER enter a recording studio that early in the morning.


Chaka gave Mary so much grief back in the 90s though.

Mary was supposed to be in that "Missing You" line-up with Gladys, Chaka and Brandy,,,but she showed up at the studio high as a Georgia pine, Chaka checked her and sent her home, later they replaced her with Tamia. They became friends later on when Mary started to clean house.

But Chaka is known for letting folks have it to their faces. In her book, she would tell some fellow singers "Bitch, I never did think you could sing" lol Paula Abdul got a piece of Chaka's mind and Nippy was targeted as well in either Vibes Or Rhythm & Soul back in 1992(about her cover of "I'm Every Woman") - "Can't that bitch find something original to sing for once?"(Which is funny because she later appeared as a cameo in Nippy's video).

She became SO mellow nowadays though lol


I remember that Vibe article lol Chaka totally dissed Paula Abdul.

"You think this bitch can sing just because she won a bunch of Grammys?"

and yes,Chaka criticized Whitney for re-making "I'm Every Woman"

"Why can't these ladies find original material of their own? I did!"

Ironically,many of Chaka's classic songs are remakes lol lol

"Hot Butterfly" (originally recorded by Bionic Boogie with Luther Vandross)
"I Feel For You" (originally recorded by Prince)
"What Cha Gonna Do For Me" (originally recorded by Average White Band)
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Reply #80 posted 05/18/10 6:02am

SoulAlive

Harlepolis said:

And that "Prince Vs MJ" quote screams BULLSHIT to me.


Yeah,I'd like to see a direct link to the article/interview where Prince made that comment.I can't imagine him making a comment like that.
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Reply #81 posted 05/18/10 6:04am

Harlepolis

SoulAlive said:

Harlepolis said:

And that "Prince Vs MJ" quote screams BULLSHIT to me.


Yeah,I'd like to see a direct link to the article/interview where Prince made that comment.I can't imagine him making a comment like that.


I do believe the table tennis story where he acted like a COMPLETE child though lol remember that? Its from DMSR.
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Reply #82 posted 05/18/10 6:07am

SoulAlive

Harlepolis said:

SoulAlive said:



Yeah,I'd like to see a direct link to the article/interview where Prince made that comment.I can't imagine him making a comment like that.


I do believe the table tennis story where he acted like a COMPLETE child though lol remember that? Its from DMSR.


Yep lol I wish someone had taken a picture of that.Prince and MJ playing ping-pong together lol
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Reply #83 posted 05/18/10 7:37am

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SoulAlive said:

ernestsewell said:


Prince was sweatin' MJ big time back then, and it's obvious as sunshine in July. Prince was still making great music for the fans and trying new things, but he was losing Top 40 appeal, little by little.

BAD garnered more #1 hits than Thriller, with five singles peaking at #1. (It's the only album to do that.) Prince released SOTT and Lovesexy in the two years that MJ was promoting BAD, and gearing up for a tour in 1989 (I think).

BAD sold 30 million records. Neither SOTT or Lovesexy, as great as they are, even came close to that in America, and was sporadic in other countries (although Lovesexy did reach #1 in the UK). Combined, they didn't even clear 6 million in the US. BAD hit #1 in every country except AUS where it hit #2. It actually did better than Thriller in the #1 spot in the international charts.

Prince needs to check himself on this one. BAD was chalked full of incredible music, (it's still my favorite MJ album). SOTT was primed for great singles, but Prince lost interest and couldn't stick with it. Lovesexy was a money gulp when it came to the tour.

It's not about which album is better over the others, but the public has spoken on that 2 year time period. The only pathetic thing about that time Prince's attitude. So much for finding God. He should have dueted on something else besides "Bad" (although that would have been classic), and just done the duet like everyone (the fans) wanted! He could have used the bucks.


It should also be noted that,in 1991,Prince hired Michael's manager Frank Dileo to oversee the promotion and singles of his 'Diamonds And Pearls' album.Prince saw that Michael's albums were having five or more hits,and he wanted the same.

By 1991, he definitely NEEDED some hits.
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Reply #84 posted 05/18/10 8:41am

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SoulAlive said:

missfee said:


Damn Prince was so pissed off with Sheila E. that he banned her from Paisley Park??? WTF??? omfg


Here's what happened...

In the early 90s,Prince opened up with a Glam Slam nightclub with his best friend/former bodyguard and business partner Gilbert Davison,who was also the president of Paisley Park Records.By the mid-90s,the two guys were no longer friends.They had a bitter argument.Prince removed all of his memorabilia from the Glam Slam nightclub and Gilbert retained ownership of the club.I think he even changed the name? Sheila E. was close friends with Gilbert and Prince,so she was caught in the middle of their feud.When she agreed to perform at Gilbert's club,Prince was irritated and stopped speaking to her.In a 1995 on-line Internet chat,Sheila revealed that she was "no longer allowed at Paisley Park,but I still love him".

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Yeah that won't right at all. Bad Prince, bad. pissed
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Reply #85 posted 05/18/10 9:07am

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hah!

Elton John Trashes Keith Richards

The Diss: "He's so pathetic, poor thing. It's like a monkey with arthritis, trying to go onstage and look young."

After John had changed the lyrics to his '70s hit 'Candle in the Wind' in 1997 to honor the late Princess Diana, Richards criticized his fellow Brit, saying John was "writing songs for dead blondes." In an interview with foreign journalists in Atlanta, John retorted that Richards was holding back the Stones.


FRIGGIN' HILARIOUS!!!! It's like Extenze insulting Viagara. Both of them reppin' old ass men who need to wrap it up and bury it.
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Reply #86 posted 05/18/10 11:34am

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"more masculine than that other person...." lol damn!
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Reply #87 posted 05/18/10 1:02pm

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Cher compliments but mainly disses Madonna here lol lol





Elton John on Madonna's live performances:





As if the verbal smackdowns from Cher and Elton weren't enough, I found another celeb dissing Madonna lol Janet has a little dig of her own. Just click to open the link:

http://video.google.com/v...624527780#
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Reply #88 posted 05/18/10 1:24pm

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mimi2 said:

Elton John on Madonna's live performances:

Elton is like someone with Gay Tourette's who has no control over what he says or does. He just rails against everyone. Yet in another film or some documentary, he compliment Madonna, except when she's political (he was referencing the Re-Invention Tour). She needs to just hush. He's a bloated has been, and frankly a lot of his music isn't that great anymore. It was a bit too artsy back in his day for me. (Dare I say it, Ewan MacGregor sang "Your Song" 100x better than Elton did!)
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Reply #89 posted 05/18/10 1:27pm

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mimi2 said:

I found another celeb dissing Madonna lol Janet has a little dig of her own. Just click to open the link:

http://video.google.com/v...624527780#

That feud goes back even further than that 1992/3 interview. In Truth or Dare, the documentary by Madonna about The Blond Ambition Tour of 1990, showed her in a UK shop (possibly Chanel). She came out of the dressing room wearing a long, black jacket, buttoned up to the neck. She said, "It's very 'Obey Everything I Say'." One of her dancers said, "It's very Janet Jackson Rhythm Nation." Madonna retorted, "Bite your tongue."
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