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Reply #60 posted 01/23/03 5:47pm

Moonbeam

intha916 said:


Now we see why you said your reasons would have to wait until you had more time to post lol. Great review and examination of a great album.


Thanks! Glad to see some more 1999 love in here!
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Reply #61 posted 01/23/03 8:01pm

EverlastingNow

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thechronic said:

Moonbeam said:

thechronic said:

thriller-michael jackson


Why?



no filler songs...all songs are great...the only album ever not to have 1 bad song


Wasn't the Girl is Mine on that album? smile
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Reply #62 posted 01/23/03 8:58pm

rdhull

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Moonbeam said:

Here is my explanation for 1999.

There is no point arguing why 1999 is my favorite album as taste is entirely suggestive. This is going to be more of a reflection of why I think it is THE greatest album ever.

"1999" was incredibly relevant at the time and its messages loom large today as well. In 1982, the world was in a mess. AIDS was festering in Africa. The Soviet Union and the USA were entrenched in the frigid Cold War. The tension in the Middle East was augmented. The world's economy experienced an enormous crash, rendering several countries in South America and Africa paupers in the world market (many of which have not recovered). Who wasn't worried about the troubled times? "1999" tunes in perfectly to those fears. The title track is a viciously funky premonition of not only the current state of affairs, but things to come. Prince really tapped into his view of the future with this album. The forboding messages of the title track are echoed in future classics like "Let's Go Crazy" and "Crystal Ball," but none are as timely nor as timeless as "1999," which is funny as "1999" is tied to a specific date.

"1999" also reigns supreme due to its paradoxes. Whether it be Prince clamoring, "I'm in love with God, he's the only way" in juxtaposition with "I sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth" in "Let's Pretend We're Married," the dedication of a sexual thrust to "love without sex" in the midst of the passion of "Lady Cab Driver" or the sonic paradox of "Something in the Water (Does Not Compute)," a song literally being torn apart by the opposing forces of order in the form of the computerized synth and turbulence in the passion of Prince's guttural screams and the beat which is systematically chaotic, Prince was clearly functioning on a new level with this album, not just personally, but in music as a whole. Nothing previous to this had been as irreverant as "Let's Pretend We're Married," only to turn a complete 180 and declare love of God. Nothing prior to this had seen a song effortlessly blend the primitive outburst of screaming and the forward-looking sound of "Something in the Water (Does Not Compute)." What was this guy thinking?

"1999" also earns the award because it breaks so many formats. The smash singles are all placed at the beginning of the album, after which it meanders into much darker, experimental territory. The outburst of raging, swaggering funk in "Let's Pretend We're Married," "DMSR," "Automatic," "Lady Cab Driver" and "All the Critics Love U in New York" are stunning not because they are so drawn out (all but "All the Critics" are over 7 minutes in length), but because they still seem concise. Not a beat was misused, not a measure was misplaced. Speaking of "All the Critics Love U in New York," this song stands out not only as the most experimental song in Prince's career, but among the most experimental music of the modern era. Supremely funky, Prince turns a swipe at critics and hippies alike into a nasty, frenetic, rhythmic explosion over seemingly disinterested, lazy half-rapping.

"1999" has a distinct sound. The entire album is tied together by a common sound, with instantly recognizable beats, synths and attitude. Despite this bond, the songs are easily distinguishable from each other. Regardless, no song on "1999" can be mistaken for being on any other album. I believe that albums work best that stretch the palate of one sound as far as it can go. "1999" is arguably Prince's most minimalist work, employing few instruments in the mix, yet it propogates a dense fog of funk that sounds both sparse and forbodingly full. Prince pushed himself to his creative limit with this album and the outtakes most associated with it. Prince incorporates inexplicable gurgling sounds, elephant noises, soldier footsteps and city noises into the mix and they perfectly fit the scheme of the music, sounding as if they were recorded for the sole purpose of inclusion on this album. Other albums also are deeply rooted with a single sound, but none, with perhaps the exception of David Bowie's "Low," Prince's "Lovesexy" and Bjork's "Vespertine," involve as much creativity. "1999" is a black beacon of forboding funk.

"1999" also rules the rest because it was recorded by an incredibly gifted artist on the brink of superstardom. This was the LAST music Prince recorded before becoming a bonafide mega-star. It exhibits all of the hunger, drive and determination of the first four releases, but it adds a confident swagger and a new maturity as well. This was Prince's rite of passage into manhood. Prince KNEW this music was legendary and stood out on its own. It didn't need any gimmicks- it didn't need Prince to grace the cover in some provocative pose. The music spoke for itself. Anything recorded after "1999" was created by someone who was already a household name. "1999" came from a relative unknown, making it all the more surprising.

Lastly, "1999" is so stunning because it is entirely the work of one man. Certainly, studio engineers were involved in the mix. Prince even includes "the Revolution" for the first time on this album. However, Dez Dickerson's influence is nowhere on this record. It's not Matt Fink's vision. This album is 100% Prince himself. Not only does Prince unveil all of his cards in this release, he turns them over in your face, making them impossible to ignore. This album is the culmination of his genius, the pinnacle of an artist whose talent is unrivaled by anyone of the modern era.

I rest my case.


Jesus! Why do you do this to me?

"Not a beat was misused, not a measure was misplaced."


Im speechless.
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #63 posted 01/23/03 8:59pm

rdhull

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This thread makes me want everyone here in one room
"Climb in my fur."
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Reply #64 posted 01/23/03 9:04pm

Moonbeam

rdhull said:

Jesus! Why do you do this to me?

"Not a beat was misused, not a measure was misplaced."


Im speechless.


Just speakin' the truth my man! Would you agree that 1999 is the greatest album ever?
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Reply #65 posted 01/23/03 11:34pm

gooeythehamste
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It may sound trite, but Sign O The Times is way up there. In fact, its my personal fave. The album is damn-near flawless. I would also have to include the following albums (in no particular order)

Stevie Wonder- Songs In The Key Of Life
Depeche Mode- Black Celebration
Led Zepplin- Physical Graphitti
The Beatles- Abbey Road
The Doors- LA Woman
The Smashing Pumpkins- MACHINA/The Machines Of God
Duran Duran- Rio
Michael Jackson- Off The Wall (A much better album than Thriller IMHO)
Julee Cruise- Floating Into The Night
Tori Amos- Little Earthquakes
The Cure- Disintegration
Pink Floyd- The Dark Side Of THe Moon
Terence Trent D'Arby- Introducing The Hardline
Arcadia- So Red The Rose
Love And Rockets- Express
INXS- The Swing
U2- The Unforgettable Fire
David Bowie- The Rise And Fall Of Ziggy Stardust...
The Red Hot Chili Peppers- Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic
The Police- Synchronicity
Poe- Haunted
Radiohead- OK Computer


And, I must mention, that I really couldn't decide on which my favorite was from Sly, P-Funk or Miles Davis! I'm also quite sure tht I left out a few of my favorite bands and favorite albums, but I think this more than covers it!!! smile



People with a swell taste always WOW me.
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Reply #66 posted 01/23/03 11:35pm

gooeythehamste
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TRON said:

Past: Prince Lovesexy

Present: Bowie Low

Future: Bjork Vespertine


Stop being so perfect!
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Reply #67 posted 01/23/03 11:36pm

gooeythehamste
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TRON said:

Thanks. But I might be changing my answer.


NONONO

That is GOOEY'S prerogative!
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Reply #68 posted 01/24/03 1:19am

Diva

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Moonbeam said:

Here is my explanation for 1999.

There is no point arguing why 1999 is my favorite album as taste is entirely suggestive. This is going to be more of a reflection of why I think it is THE greatest album ever.

"1999" was incredibly relevant at the time and its messages loom large today as well. In 1982, the world was in a mess. AIDS was festering in Africa. The Soviet Union and the USA were entrenched in the frigid Cold War. The tension in the Middle East was augmented. The world's economy experienced an enormous crash, rendering several countries in South America and Africa paupers in the world market (many of which have not recovered). Who wasn't worried about the troubled times? "1999" tunes in perfectly to those fears. The title track is a viciously funky premonition of not only the current state of affairs, but things to come. Prince really tapped into his view of the future with this album. The forboding messages of the title track are echoed in future classics like "Let's Go Crazy" and "Crystal Ball," but none are as timely nor as timeless as "1999," which is funny as "1999" is tied to a specific date.

"1999" also reigns supreme due to its paradoxes. Whether it be Prince clamoring, "I'm in love with God, he's the only way" in juxtaposition with "I sincerely want to fuck the taste out of your mouth" in "Let's Pretend We're Married," the dedication of a sexual thrust to "love without sex" in the midst of the passion of "Lady Cab Driver" or the sonic paradox of "Something in the Water (Does Not Compute)," a song literally being torn apart by the opposing forces of order in the form of the computerized synth and turbulence in the passion of Prince's guttural screams and the beat which is systematically chaotic, Prince was clearly functioning on a new level with this album, not just personally, but in music as a whole. Nothing previous to this had been as irreverant as "Let's Pretend We're Married," only to turn a complete 180 and declare love of God. Nothing prior to this had seen a song effortlessly blend the primitive outburst of screaming and the forward-looking sound of "Something in the Water (Does Not Compute)." What was this guy thinking?

"1999" also earns the award because it breaks so many formats. The smash singles are all placed at the beginning of the album, after which it meanders into much darker, experimental territory. The outburst of raging, swaggering funk in "Let's Pretend We're Married," "DMSR," "Automatic," "Lady Cab Driver" and "All the Critics Love U in New York" are stunning not because they are so drawn out (all but "All the Critics" are over 7 minutes in length), but because they still seem concise. Not a beat was misused, not a measure was misplaced. Speaking of "All the Critics Love U in New York," this song stands out not only as the most experimental song in Prince's career, but among the most experimental music of the modern era. Supremely funky, Prince turns a swipe at critics and hippies alike into a nasty, frenetic, rhythmic explosion over seemingly disinterested, lazy half-rapping.

"1999" has a distinct sound. The entire album is tied together by a common sound, with instantly recognizable beats, synths and attitude. Despite this bond, the songs are easily distinguishable from each other. Regardless, no song on "1999" can be mistaken for being on any other album. I believe that albums work best that stretch the palate of one sound as far as it can go. "1999" is arguably Prince's most minimalist work, employing few instruments in the mix, yet it propogates a dense fog of funk that sounds both sparse and forbodingly full. Prince pushed himself to his creative limit with this album and the outtakes most associated with it. Prince incorporates inexplicable gurgling sounds, elephant noises, soldier footsteps and city noises into the mix and they perfectly fit the scheme of the music, sounding as if they were recorded for the sole purpose of inclusion on this album. Other albums also are deeply rooted with a single sound, but none, with perhaps the exception of David Bowie's "Low," Prince's "Lovesexy" and Bjork's "Vespertine," involve as much creativity. "1999" is a black beacon of forboding funk.

"1999" also rules the rest because it was recorded by an incredibly gifted artist on the brink of superstardom. This was the LAST music Prince recorded before becoming a bonafide mega-star. It exhibits all of the hunger, drive and determination of the first four releases, but it adds a confident swagger and a new maturity as well. This was Prince's rite of passage into manhood. Prince KNEW this music was legendary and stood out on its own. It didn't need any gimmicks- it didn't need Prince to grace the cover in some provocative pose. The music spoke for itself. Anything recorded after "1999" was created by someone who was already a household name. "1999" came from a relative unknown, making it all the more surprising.

Lastly, "1999" is so stunning because it is entirely the work of one man. Certainly, studio engineers were involved in the mix. Prince even includes "the Revolution" for the first time on this album. However, Dez Dickerson's influence is nowhere on this record. It's not Matt Fink's vision. This album is 100% Prince himself. Not only does Prince unveil all of his cards in this release, he turns them over in your face, making them impossible to ignore. This album is the culmination of his genius, the pinnacle of an artist whose talent is unrivaled by anyone of the modern era.

I rest my case.


worship worship worship

rdhull... you're not the only one who is speechless...

Moonbeam leaves me in awe endlessly... wow.

Thank you , that was brilliant, superb, flawless, inspired and an honour to read..

wow... I don't have the words...
--»You're my favourite moment, you're my Saturday...
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Reply #69 posted 01/24/03 3:07am

abierman

In no particular order:

Pavement - Slanted & Enchanted
Prince - SOTT
Temple Of The Dog - Temple Of The Dog (is Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Mother Love Bone together, best grunge album ever!)
Nirvana - Nevermind
Led Zeppelin - II
Neil Young - Harvest
Prince - LoveSexy
Björk - Homogenic & Vespertine
Pearl Jam - Ten
Pavement - Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain
Sonic Youth - Dirty
Ryan Adams - Gold
Tosca - Suzuki
Kruder & Dorfmeister - K & D Sessions (had to include this one, is the downbeat-bible!)
Queens Of The Stone Age - Songs For The Deaf
Me'Shell Ndegeocello - Peace Beyond Passion
Miles Davis - Bitch's Brew & Kind of Blue

and there are many more...
[This message was edited Fri Jan 24 3:20:17 PST 2003 by abierman]
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Reply #70 posted 01/24/03 4:20am

TRON

gooeythehamster said:

TRON said:

Past: Prince Lovesexy

Present: Bowie Low

Future: Bjork Vespertine


Stop being so perfect!

Sorry.
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Reply #71 posted 01/24/03 5:34am

medoc2003

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miles davis - kind of blue

why?

a) great musicians, each player is truely an artist, great in their own right

b) innovative, at the time it changed the way jazz musicians played. up until that point improvisation was based on the chord changes, but kind of blue was modal and changed the improvisations to scales which offered more options for improvisation.

c) it is timeless. in 2000 it was the best selling jazz album of the year, some 40 years afters its release

d) every song is not only just good, but individual masterpieces. they groove, they have fire, and contain great beauty.
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Reply #72 posted 01/24/03 4:58pm

milty

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yamomma said:

How could I forget my home town boys?


http://www.wheelies.com/





Oh what a summer to those two albums!



wow...and i thought i was the only one in the world who has ever heard of the wheelies!!! great band!!!
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Reply #73 posted 01/25/03 8:02am

WildheartXXX

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I'd go for Led Zeppelin 4 or Prince Sign O The Times. Even though i rarely play Zep 4 now, it's just remarkably consistent and contains the greatest track ever to close an album, When The Levee Breaks. That song is like the previous seven songs put together and bonzo's drumming floors me. It's hard to believe that bitch is 32 years old. Their music has aged better than any act i can think of.

"Sign" everyone knows about. It's just so ballsy, accessible and experimental at the same time, it just draws you in completely. If Prince was going to be remembered for one album this is it.
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Reply #74 posted 01/25/03 3:30pm

jimipaisley

My greatest album of all time (not in particular order):

Prince- sign "o" the times
Led Zepplin- Physical Graffity
The Beatles- Abbey Road
The Doors- LA Woman
Pink Floyd- The Dark Side Of THe Moon
U2- The Joshua Tree
The Red Hot Chili Peppers- Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic
The Police- Synchronicity
Marvin Gaye: What's Going On
Led Zeppelin: IV
Jimi Hendrix: Electric Ladyland
Stevie Wonder: Innervisions
Sly and the Family Stone: There's A Riot Goin On
Prince- The Rainbow Children
Pink Floyd- The Wall
AC/DC- Back In Black
Prince- Lovesexy
Led Zeppelin- IV
Aerosmith- Rocks
Pearl Jam- Ten
Jimi Hendrix- The Band Of Gypsies
Aerosmith- Toys In The Attic
Living Colour- Time's Up
Queen- A Day At The Races

I think I better stop here!
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Reply #75 posted 01/25/03 3:46pm

WildheartXXX

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jimipaisley said:

My greatest album of all time (not in particular order):

Prince- sign "o" the times
Led Zepplin- Physical Graffity
The Beatles- Abbey Road
The Doors- LA Woman
Pink Floyd- The Dark Side Of THe Moon
U2- The Joshua Tree
The Red Hot Chili Peppers- Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic
The Police- Synchronicity
Marvin Gaye: What's Going On
Led Zeppelin: IV
Jimi Hendrix: Electric Ladyland
Stevie Wonder: Innervisions
Sly and the Family Stone: There's A Riot Goin On
Prince- The Rainbow Children
Pink Floyd- The Wall
AC/DC- Back In Black
Prince- Lovesexy
Led Zeppelin- IV
Aerosmith- Rocks
Pearl Jam- Ten
Jimi Hendrix- The Band Of Gypsies
Aerosmith- Toys In The Attic
Living Colour- Time's Up
Queen- A Day At The Races

I think I better stop here!


Some good choices but why in the hell do so many people and critics rate ACDCs Back in Black so highly?! It's a great album but several of the Bon Scott era LPs leave it for dead. Especially Let There Be Rock. Good choice for Aerosmiths Rocks. Hell that album slams so hard, one of the best rock albums of the 70s easily.
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Reply #76 posted 01/25/03 4:37pm

jimipaisley

WildheartXXX said:

jimipaisley said:

My greatest album of all time (not in particular order):

Prince- sign "o" the times
Led Zepplin- Physical Graffity
The Beatles- Abbey Road
The Doors- LA Woman
Pink Floyd- The Dark Side Of THe Moon
U2- The Joshua Tree
The Red Hot Chili Peppers- Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic
The Police- Synchronicity
Marvin Gaye: What's Going On
Led Zeppelin: IV
Jimi Hendrix: Electric Ladyland
Stevie Wonder: Innervisions
Sly and the Family Stone: There's A Riot Goin On
Prince- The Rainbow Children
Pink Floyd- The Wall
AC/DC- Back In Black
Prince- Lovesexy
Led Zeppelin- IV
Aerosmith- Rocks
Pearl Jam- Ten
Jimi Hendrix- The Band Of Gypsies
Aerosmith- Toys In The Attic
Living Colour- Time's Up
Queen- A Day At The Races

I think I better stop here!


Some good choices but why in the hell do so many people and critics rate ACDCs Back in Black so highly?! It's a great album but several of the Bon Scott era LPs leave it for dead. Especially Let There Be Rock. Good choice for Aerosmiths Rocks. Hell that album slams so hard, one of the best rock albums of the 70s easily.


Ooops sorry , I forget 2 mention "let there be rock", this is my fave ac/dc album with "back in black".
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Reply #77 posted 01/25/03 4:42pm

violett

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Moonbeam said:

violett said:

just one?? well fer fucks sake. moonbeam, your great at lists, and number ones biggrin i on the other hand...am not smile lol
in fact i cant even answer the question smile lol
hug pussy


Vi! hug

Not everyone can be as psychotic as me about lists. biggrin It's probably good that most people aren't- there'd only be constant debating!

I love YOU!


ohhh!!! I LOVE YOU TOO !!! hug
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