lastdecember said:

Rhianna really isn't bright. She throws up The Baphomet hand-signal ( ) with a skull ring on her fingers without knowing what the hell THAT is suppose to mean apart from that she think it makes her looks like a bad ass. "GTFO of here Rhianna" is exactly how I feel at this point.

I have to somewhat disagree with you concerning Jay-Z. Again, D'evil is one of the most honest rap songs that he has even done in his career. Long before the Illuminati-inspired themes in his later songs/albums, D'evil represent just how fall a human being like Shawn "Jay-Z" Carter will goes for fame & fortune.
[Edited 5/1/10 13:14pm]

TonyVanDam said:

i just feel alot of this started because of conspiracy theories, now back in the day a theory like JFK and the magic bullet and all that was so see-through to all of us now, but then wasnt, but in reality, Oswald did it, the conspiracy was that people didnt want to believe that ONE guy could take everything down, and wanted to blame him for everything like vietnam and things like that, but inreality JFK was committed to being in Vietnam and tried to kill Castro, Oswald didnt invent that nor did a conspiracy. But now theories are just so easily spread, like the WTC was not a real attack, it was brought down by some magic bomb planted inside, because people who knew NOTHING about the WTC and the buildings around it and there structure claim a building would never fall straight down, and yet, the guy who built it constructed it so if it fell ever, it would fall just like it did, conspiracy false again.

Now for this Iluminati thing, to me its like an urban mafia, a syndicate, if you hear in many rap songs, the references to the Godfather, mafia, scarface etc..to me that was just envy of that lifestyle. So the theory that a gang exists of eternal fame and fortune and its controlled by the devil and anyone trying to leave dies, (ex MJackson) is the new theory, and now im hearing Kobe Bryant is in it, and when he misses shots thats the devil getting him, and Lebron is in it, and thats why he wants to be a Knick, its just all too far out there and a cover for other things

About the making of "D'Evils" http://www.dailymotion.co...shortfilms

Cinnie said:

Where are the lyrics?

maria1999 said:

to me iluminati is like the urban mafia, i always wondered why everyone was into movies like the Godfather that wasnt italian, and it was because it was a gang-family thing that was attractive. Iluminati has been in rap songs for decades now, just its mention, and well, its another form of Gang. I dont buy into it on a religious devil god thing, to me that is always a cover for things, because nothing is eternal, regardless of what anyone believes, this is it folks, live it and be done case closed you aint coming back for another run.

TonyVanDam said:

Jay-Z himself breaks the lyrics all down in the video, but here is a reliable source for the song lyrics:
http://www.ohhla.com/anon...ls.jyz.txt

maria1999 said:

to me iluminati is like the urban mafia, i always wondered why everyone was into movies like the Godfather that wasnt italian, and it was because it was a gang-family thing that was attractive. Iluminati has been in rap songs for decades now, just its mention, and well, its another form of Gang. I dont buy into it on a religious devil god thing, to me that is always a cover for things, because nothing is eternal, regardless of what anyone believes, this is it folks, live it and be done case closed you aint coming back for another run.

Cinnie said:

This shit is wicked on these mean streets
None of my friends speak
We're all trying to win, but then again
Maybe it's for the best though, cause when they're seeing too much
You know they're trying to get you touched
Whoever said illegal was the easy way out couldn't understand the mechanics
And the workings of the underworld, granted
Nine to five is how to survive, I ain't trying to survive
I'm trying to live it to the limit and love it a lot
Life ills, poison my body
I used to say 'fuck mic skills'
And never prayed to God, I prayed to Gotti
That's right it's wicked, that's life I live it
Ain't asking for forgiveness for my sins, ends
I break bread with the late heads, picking their brains for angles on
all the evils that the game'll do
It gets dangerous, money and power is changing us
And now we're lethal, infected with D'Evils...

All of THIS^ is the real Jay-Z, In Plain Sight.

When all is said and done, why don't you be a true whistle-blower, watch dog warner, and journalist and write an article or book about it with sources and blow the lid off these covert groups?!

poetcorner61 said:

there's all kinds of "whistle blowers" on Youtube but that's the problem... no sources.

To be honest, and I know this will disappoint TVD... I kinda hopped off this truth train when I kept coming up with no real documentation.

And someone else is always going to have more trillions of dollars and international power than me because I just don't have that ambition/connection.

Somehow the world keeps spinnin' and these hoes keep grinnin'

Cinnie said:

If you need documentations about symbolism, a few books by Dr. Cathy Burns, Texe Marrs, & Don Marquis will do it.

I'm making plans to buy THIS one by Texe Marrs:


And I already own a copy of Dr. Burns' best seller:


If I say anything else about certain orgers (YOU know who you are! ) that are NOT "convince" yet, THIS^ book about symbols needs to be require reading just to understand the basics. The one concerning the "pentagram" still disappoints me even till this day. I can NEVER look at the U.S. American flag the same positive way anymore because of origin of that symbol.

TonyVanDam said:

user reviews for her work on amazon.com

http://www.amazon.com/Hid...0005405122


http://www.amazon.co.uk/H...0005405122
[Edited 5/2/10 23:15pm]

errant said:

You posts the wrong reviews. Those are for Dr. Burns' sequel to the book that I'm taking about.

These are THE real real reviews:
http://www.amazon.com/Mas...ddFiveStar

5 star: (9)
4 star: (2)
3 star: (1)
2 star: (1)
1 star: (13)

TonyVanDam said:

awesome that you posted the link direct to the 5 star reviews. here is the link to the 1 star reviews.

http://www.amazon.com/Mas...addOneStar

I thought I was really buying something and ended up being junk. This writer doesn't know a thing about symbols and she's writing from a Christian point of view and fails to realize that christianity has multiple of pagan symbols in which one is the cross, but she doesn't mention not one of them.
If your are a conscience person seeking true knowledge this book is not for you, but if you're spiritually blind this book is perfect for you. All of you who gave this book a positive rating be warned if you see any of these symbols don't judge them by this book. You'll be passing false judgment.
It was written by a Christian for Christians all others leave it alone.
It far from facts.

This book is based upon nothing but Christian propaganda. Every symbol is labeled "evil" and of "evil origins". The book should have been titled, "Ancient Symbolism from a Christian View". This was the most BIAS book I have ever read. The author of this book and MOST Christians should realize that there are more viewpoints in this world than that of Christians. Christians are but one voice in millions.

The author NEVER addresses Christian symbolism in this book, nor their pagan origins. Not once did she speak of the so-called "evil" pentagram as the first symbol of Christianity. Nor did she speak of the symbolism in "Christian" holidays being of PAGAN origin ! Not once !

Oh..and the author needs to leave the bible verses IN THE BIBLE ! I did not want to purchase a bible, but a book on symbolism.

If you are Christian, you will LOVE this ignorant, bias, hog slop. If you are a non-Christian, just stay away. Put your money back in your pocket.

I picked up this book hoping to learn something. What I got was propaganda. A lot of personally offensive propaganda! It would have been much better if the author stuck with the facts, instead of insidious opinions on what "real Christians" should do. A book on symbols has no business commenting on evolution and psychology!

The references really made me upset. As a professional writer, I check and cross reference all my sources. All the time. When I came across (and I quote), "One catalog that sells statues of gods and goddesses as well as many other occultic items states..." Her reference is a CATALOG?!

The conclusions she draws are contrived and arrogant. She slides in a comment within a quote here: "...neither do we wish to prohibit it, by law or sexual sanction, sexual behavior between consenting adults. The many varieties of sexual exploration should not themselves be considered 'evil'." This was a statement made in an organization's mission. The author busts in at this point in the mission statement to comment, "This would include bisexuality, homosexual, bestiality, etc." Obviously she was not paying attention, as an animal involved in bestiality is not a consenting adult! This is just one example of glossing over the obvious facts to promote an agenda. And, what exactly, does this have to do with symbols? Nothing, I know.

She advises us to remove simple things like playing cards from the home. Her references are catalogs, "a witch", and outdated and inflammatory books. The author is a fearmonger feeding off other fearmongers. If you actually want to learn something, pick another book. If you like poorly written propaganda that turns a blind eye to the whole truth, read on! I want the hours of my life that I spent reading this garbage back.

Dearest Readers,
It has come to my attention that we have encountered another PCT (Paranoid Conspiracy Theorist) that puts themself in the position of "prophet" with a degree unheard of to the common people.
Apparently, this woman has no idea on any culture except for her own pseudo-culture that she loves taking delusions in. OK, now where in Aleister Crowley's history does it have that he is a 33rd degree Freemason? Wait, hold on, does it say anywhere that he was even a mason??? I'm confused now.
Also, I do not understand what the Taoists did to create such "Occultic Meanings" to the Chinese writing system (or so as she claims) For example, the Chinese word for water, shui (â©) is written as "used as a water charm, usually means 'Tao'" Hmm... interesting.
Another thing I'd like to point out is her obsession with CAPITAL LETTERS. For instance: 'Albert Mackey, a well-known Mason, writes that a sumbol is a "assensible image used to express an OCCULT but analogical signification"'(page 6) If you look throughout the book, FREEMASON, MASONIC, MAGIC, OCCULT, SATANIC, and many other words are capitalized and bolded so they stand out. Doesn't that seem to flash for attention?
To conclude, I think that this work is misinformed in a very mortal way. Looks like she didn't feel researchy enough to find out that Satanism wasn't an official religion until Anton LaVey (er... LeVay?) founded the First Church of Satan. In fact, even the Church of Satan doesn't put into the belief of Satan (they're mostly about self-centered philosophies and the fact that man is nothing but an animal)... any objections? I believe that such paranoid works will surface continously, but the fact is that there is not much proof of FREEMASONRY=SATANISM (AHH!!!! SAVE US!!!) Save your resources and find more reliable sources for symbology.

Regardless of whether one is a mason or not, offense at the presumption and misinformation presented in this rag should be universal. Even her most "solid" connections are far leaps at best, her information is skewed, biased, and usually quite incorrect. She has taken sacred symbols from faiths and belief systems the world over and used them to try and demonize freemasonry and non-Christian beliefs as a whole. If you want legitimate information, look elsewhere. If you want a paranoid nut with a basement printing press, then get off at this stop.

Pure, unadulterated, Xian slop! I use this term because from my experiences with Christian (Xian for short) books and bookstores they and only they can appreciate such mindlessness which they rationalize as "da troooooth!"

The book was worse than useless. It was pure Xian fear-mongering and I do recommend you get it purely for the insight on how a Xian in the Burning Times and in their infiltration of the Roman heirarchy would have "thought". You see, Christians are the ULTIMATE conspirators. They are a supercult (Catholic-Protestant-Evangelical all included) gone wild. They virtually annihilated civilization in the 5th century. That is why civilization came back vigorously after the crusades due to exposure to Islamic culture who didn't destroy everything connected with their predecessors, but utilized it (eventhough they had their maniacs too). Hence the Renaissance brought about by *free thinking* scientists and occultists.

This book (and I assume all her others) prove what twisted minds can conjure up out of thin air or connect dots that would baffle any normal person.

Visualize this: These nutcases (her and her Xian fundie Christ-insanityians) in power! Telling YOU what to do! You read a heretical book and like a mindless robot have to ask forgiveness of a god that doesn't exist and your innocence is whether or not you died from a torturous punishment. People like them are the ones who perpetrated this for hundreds of years, even instituting Witch Finder Generals (like in England in the 17th century) roaming the moors looking for "Satans" collaborators. Of course, they distance themselves from this. But being the original deceivers and liars that they are (read the early Roman accounts on how they "converted" people - they would have taught communists a few things about using the "Big Lie" and other methods) always waiting to institute these methods again.

Christ-insanity pits man against nature. Uses lies and deceptive conversion techniques like parachuting into a disaster ridden area (Tsunami of 2004) and gives food through "charity" if they "convert" to the original NWO Massuh and savior. They destroyed ancient documents that their supercult saw as being heretical. They butchered millions upon millions in endless religious strife (religious wars - i.e. the 30 Years War for example) over a dude who will never come back because he doesn't exist (http://www.thegodmovie.com/). Who was best a cheap amalgamation of earlier myths with religious enforcement to keep entitlements and the infrastructure going.
I could go on and on.

In my opinion Christ-insanity is a mental fungus that grows on Xian brains. It takes seemingly intelligent people's brains like this "Dr. Burns" (Doctor of what? Xian slop? Doctor of garbage in otherwords) and turns them into mush. Only a Xian could be so stupid to believe the claims and hysterics in this book.

I just can't...

@ this ridiculous thread.

Michael wasn't doing anything "against" any group enough for them to kill him, fucking PLEASE. You're honestly gonna tell me a secret group is running around controlling pop stars via hand signals and an occasional triangle on an album cover? LMFAO.

Michael was planning a tour, not even, a freaking residence, showcasing his old songs - OMFG GET HIM!!!!

Don't you think if he was being hunted, they would've hunted him back during 01 when he was publically speaking out against Sony? What happened? His album didn't get promotion in one country. OMG ILLUMINATI!

50 Cent says there's secret groups? Duh, when's the last time he had a hit?

There probably ARE secret groups and devil worshippers within the industry, sure. But to say there's one big group controlling everyone, with no conclusive evidence whatsoever after all these years is just plain DUMB.

The problem here is not about what Tony believes in. A person is free to believe (post) whatever he or she wants. Tony believes in the occult. Fine. I believe in God. Again, fine.
I respond to his post on this subject simply to make things balance.
Earlier Tony said in response to one of my post that he doesn't practice "mainstream" Christianity. (I asked him if he meant that in a derogatory manner. He has yet to answer) Maybe take some of the time you spend learning about all things demonic and learn about God, then you will know why this stuff (although, fascinating) doesn't phase me in the slightest.
Anyway, when you only give a person one-sided information w/o cited sources, you can't expect them to agree with you based solo on your word.
That's why, although I won't be jumping on the occult bandwagon anytime soon, I appreciate him posting his reference books. And this is where I would post a picture of the Bible to balance things out.
Personal note to Tony: Don't get upset when someone doesn't agree with you. Name callings are necessary either. From reading some of your previous posts (here and PR) you tend to get a bit irate when someone questions your authority. (Notice that I didn't put authority in parenthesis, because I believe that you know what you're talking about.)

maria1999 said:

Well excuse me for having a life outside of prince.org.

1. I do believe in the existence of Yahweh. And I take all of my studying of the holy scriptures very seriously.

2. When I said I was NOT a member of "mainstream Christianity", it means that I do NOT keep Sunday, Christmas, Easter, or any of the practices that "Christians" do. I also do NOT accept the man-made doctrine/dogma/tradition that "the Old Testament is done away with".

Personal note back at you:

3. The one of the things that "irate" me with the org is when some people set up fiamebaits for the sheer purpose of either ruining a good thread OR to make a failed attempt to get a thread locked simple because they don't like the topic of discussion. Also, people trying to lie on me to other people back my back can also "irate" me.

If you seen a few of my recent threads like you said you have, you would have known this and there would NOT have been a need for you to bring this up out in the open and try to make it look like I'm the villain when I'm NOT.

Just saying.

EDIT: And BTW with all due respect, I was name-called first by a few orgers (whose names I will NOT mention) is one of those threads. So anything I need to say in verbal self-defense, I will say it according.
[Edited 5/6/10 1:03am]

purplesweat said:

Ask the FBI. According to Jermaine, they're the ones with FBI files on Michael that covered within 25 years BEFORE his death.

Just saying.