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PrintableTimmy84 said: bboy87 said: They forgot
not having artistic development letting image override the work thinking michael jackson is a musical genre EGO I think they mention lack of an A&R but yeah makes sense. or and the blurring of the lines between R&B and hip hop. Singers thinking they're rappers.....Trey Songz, I'm looking at you!  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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I wouldn't call Trey NoSongz a singer, either. "Lack of home training crosses all boundaries." | |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: I think they mention lack of an A&R but yeah makes sense. or and the blurring of the lines between R&B and hip hop. Singers thinking they're rappers.....Trey Songz, I'm looking at you! Trey just need to take Aretha's advice, whatever advice she gave him, right now he seems to be really lost. | |
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Word up! You're so glam, every time I see you I wanna slam! | |
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bboy87 said: Timmy84 said: I think they mention lack of an A&R but yeah makes sense. or and the blurring of the lines between R&B and hip hop. Singers thinking they're rappers.....Trey Songz, I'm looking at you! | |
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scriptgirl said: I wouldn't call Trey NoSongz a singer, either.
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Timmy84 said:
Even though it had been done in sporadic terms in the '80s, it wasn't until Mariah Carey's "Fantasy" with ODB that it turned. It needs to stop. Jodeci? | |
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midiscover said: Timmy84 said:
Even though it had been done in sporadic terms in the '80s, it wasn't until Mariah Carey's "Fantasy" with ODB that it turned. It needs to stop. Jodeci? They have a strong case against them too. So does, and I hate to say it, Mary J. | |
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The list forgot autotune. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: The list forgot autotune.
I think when the list was created, autotune wasn't as popular as it is now. | |
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Timmy84 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: The list forgot autotune.
I think when the list was created, autotune wasn't as popular as it is now. they did mention T-Pain, so I think that counts. | |
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hmmmm .interesting | |
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errant said: Timmy84 said: I think when the list was created, autotune wasn't as popular as it is now. they did mention T-Pain, so I think that counts. Yeah. This was created RIGHT before we heard Lil' Wayne and Kanye doing the same damn thing (and then everyone else jumped ship). Before it was just T-Drone and A-con-artist. | |
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I think this is a pretty shallow series of generalizations. | |
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shonenjoe said: I think this is a pretty shallow series of generalizations.
yet not untrue. and befitting of its subject. | |
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scriptgirl said: from 411.mania
THE 25 THINGS THAT HAVE KILLED (and are still killing) URBAN MUSIC I've always wondered what the fuck "Urban music" means ?!? scriptgirl said: 1. The end of the EVENT ALBUM
There was a time when albums encompassed an era that included a look, a feel, and a style that informed an artist's videos and live performances for as long as they (or the label) could squeeze revenue from a project by releasing singles. The "event" album can chiefly be credited to Jacksons Michael and Janet, who have entire timelines built around the idea of a "Thriller Era" or a "Rhythm Nation Era."…when you have artists that are too scared to release music with a healthy 3-5 year gap in between, the lines to between albums begin to blur, and the eras become indistinguishable, rendering them null. FACT. This all stems from the fact that labels don't know how to promote albums anymore. They just want that quick money so their throw shit out real fast without taking the time to actually build an artist up. While they did do a decent job building up Maxwell and Sade's respective long awaited comebacks, in Hip-Hop, the closest thing we had to an event was Kanye's GRADUATION vs. 50 Cent's CURTIS. I know we could do better. Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, we are in 2010... Where have you been the past 10 years ??? Do you read the news ???
This is the age of digital music... It's just impossible for labels to create an event out of a new album simply because labels can't control the release of new albums the way they used to... And it has nothing to do with the labels... Every artist has to dealwith the leak issue... That's why so many artists have their songs onlibe even before the release of the physical album in stores... Everybody knows that... But it just amazes me that after 10 years of digital revolution we have people who believe that labels still have the power to do everything they want likein the old days ...
Sade's eagerly-awaited long-time-coming new album Soldier Of Love was leaked weeks before it was even supposed to be released. Same for Maxwell... The fact that you still talk about the michael jackson era shows that you haven't realized yet how the music business has so RADICALLY changed since... well... THE 80's !!!!! 25 years ago !!!!!
These days are over and dead... [Edited 4/20/10 16:28pm] | |
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Yea, event albums died in the 90's. Thank the digital age. | |
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Timmy84 said: bboy87 said: They forgot
not having artistic development letting image override the work thinking michael jackson is a musical genre EGO I think they mention lack of an A&R but yeah makes sense. Actually they talk about it quite abit in point 5, in regards to Reality TV killing proper artist development. | |
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krayzie said: scriptgirl said: from 411.mania
THE 25 THINGS THAT HAVE KILLED (and are still killing) URBAN MUSIC I've always wondered what the fuck "Urban music" means ?!? scriptgirl said: 1. The end of the EVENT ALBUM
There was a time when albums encompassed an era that included a look, a feel, and a style that informed an artist's videos and live performances for as long as they (or the label) could squeeze revenue from a project by releasing singles. The "event" album can chiefly be credited to Jacksons Michael and Janet, who have entire timelines built around the idea of a "Thriller Era" or a "Rhythm Nation Era."…when you have artists that are too scared to release music with a healthy 3-5 year gap in between, the lines to between albums begin to blur, and the eras become indistinguishable, rendering them null. FACT. This all stems from the fact that labels don't know how to promote albums anymore. They just want that quick money so their throw shit out real fast without taking the time to actually build an artist up. While they did do a decent job building up Maxwell and Sade's respective long awaited comebacks, in Hip-Hop, the closest thing we had to an event was Kanye's GRADUATION vs. 50 Cent's CURTIS. I know we could do better. Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, we are in 2010... Where have you been the past 10 years ??? Do you read the news ???
This is the age of digital music... It's just impossible for labels to create an event out of a new album simply because labels can't control the release of new albums the way they used to... And it has nothing to do with the labels... Every artist has to dealwith the leak issue... That's why so many artists have their songs onlibe even before the release of the physical album in stores... Everybody knows that... But it just amazes me that after 10 years of digital revolution we have people who believe that labels still have the power to do everything they want likein the old days ...
Sade's eagerly-awaited long-time-coming new album Soldier Of Love was leaked weeks before it was even supposed to be released. Same for Maxwell... The fact that you still talk about the michael jackson era shows that you haven't realized yet how the music business has so RADICALLY changed since... well... THE 80's !!!!! 25 years ago !!!!!
These days are over and dead... Black people = URBAN MUSIC | |
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TD3 said: krayzie said: Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, we are in 2010... Where have you been the past 10 years ??? Do you read the news ???
This is the age of digital music... It's just impossible for labels to create an event out of a new album simply because labels can't control the release of new albums the way they used to... And it has nothing to do with the labels... Every artist has to dealwith the leak issue... That's why so many artists have their songs onlibe even before the release of the physical album in stores... Everybody knows that... But it just amazes me that after 10 years of digital revolution we have people who believe that labels still have the power to do everything they want likein the old days ...
Sade's eagerly-awaited long-time-coming new album Soldier Of Love was leaked weeks before it was even supposed to be released. Same for Maxwell... The fact that you still talk about the michael jackson era shows that you haven't realized yet how the music business has so RADICALLY changed since... well... THE 80's !!!!! 25 years ago !!!!!
These days are over and dead... Black people = URBAN MUSIC I lost hope for that shit years ago!!! | |
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TD3 said: krayzie said: Wake up, Wake up, Wake up, we are in 2010... Where have you been the past 10 years ??? Do you read the news ???
This is the age of digital music... It's just impossible for labels to create an event out of a new album simply because labels can't control the release of new albums the way they used to... And it has nothing to do with the labels... Every artist has to dealwith the leak issue... That's why so many artists have their songs onlibe even before the release of the physical album in stores... Everybody knows that... But it just amazes me that after 10 years of digital revolution we have people who believe that labels still have the power to do everything they want likein the old days ...
Sade's eagerly-awaited long-time-coming new album Soldier Of Love was leaked weeks before it was even supposed to be released. Same for Maxwell... The fact that you still talk about the michael jackson era shows that you haven't realized yet how the music business has so RADICALLY changed since... well... THE 80's !!!!! 25 years ago !!!!!
These days are over and dead... Black people = URBAN MUSIC Yeah according to Crapboard. | |
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#26 Auto-tune... The article actually mentions T-Pain and some other fuckers... #27 'Trendy' dances ... The stanky leg, the chicken noodle, krump... The worst, cheapest, most horrendous music was made to justify the existence of those brain-killer dances... #28 The Blipster ... Or the 'black hipster' phenomenon. Kanye first made it mainstream. Quite daring. Now every ignorant ass black guy with tight jeans, pink/yellow/purple T-shirt and oversized glasses thinks he's cool. Being a 'hipster' is more of away of life not just wearing flashing outfits, bitches!! Where's the art? Where's the intellect? And those fake electro-eurodance 'beats' are just the corridor down to Hell.. Thanx to those fucking posers we have The Black Eyed Peas and theirdisgusting music polluting the airwaves.. not to mention the others (Kid Cudi...) #29 Programming ... No matter what many think here, sampling music is quite a tricky thing (I'm talking bout sampling a la DJ premier, not a la P Diddy). Drum programming is okay with me. But i'm really tired of hearing the same rythm patternds, drum patterns, same cheap-ass synths sounds and repetitive loops. No more 'acoustic'/'organic' sounds... Damn, at least U could hear some real guitar or piano in a 2Pac song... At least babyface, Jimmy Jam & terry CAN play instruments, and use complex chords, change chords, build tensions carry emotions... How about Lil Jon? Soulja Boy? Everybody is somebody, but nobody wants to be themselves. | |
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[b]Great read. Tits and ass in music videos, thugged out rappers, pants saggers, no clue a&r people, over saturation of similiar type acts, lack of diversity in urban listening audiences musical tastes, use of the n-word as if it really is cool, radio programmers requiring money to add records of artists so that they can see BDS detections, the 4 major record labels defining waht 'urban' is and shoving it down our throats - master is still at work...I could go on and on.[/b] Music Royalty in Motion | |
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JabarR74 said: You forgot about Auto-Tune.
Yeah this is an old list. | |
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RnBAmbassador said: lack of diversity in urban listening audiences musical tastes
 This is a HUGE issue brought on by all of the conditioning by radio. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: RnBAmbassador said: lack of diversity in urban listening audiences musical tastes
This is a HUGE issue brought on by all of the conditioning by radio.Conditioning by radio. Sums up the problem for all the other genres with samey sounding "hits" too. | |
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Cinnie said: BlaqueKnight said: This is a HUGE issue brought on by all of the conditioning by radio.Conditioning by radio. Sums up the problem for all the other genres with samey sounding "hits" too. True. Its the suits trying to "bottom line" art. | |
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