sleepyq said:

No one gives a fuck about freestyling. Doing the same shit over and over isn't freestyling and that's what MJ and this Omarion character did/do.

No other female can touch Janet in the dancing department.

some more I thought of:


-Monica is a better singer than Brandy

-Drake sucks and all his songs are terrible

-Justin Timberlake has a whiny singing voice and is so overrated as an artist and in the looks department (he's not hot)

-Omarion should be the "it boy" in r&b now-he's a good singer, dancer and hot too

midiscover said:

Paula Abdul is a much better dancer than Janet, its not even debateable. At all.

Janet and whomever else can fight for #2 or 3.

But Paula is the greatest female dancer tp hit the pop scene. Ever. Period.

bboy87 said:

Brian Wilson is completely crazy, so who cares? :lol

but give me Don't Worry Baby over And I Love Her anytime...


and

Pet Sounds = Sgt.Peppers

Smile (had it been released in 1967) > Magical Mystery Tour...

I dunno if these are unpopular or not, but they are my opinions on random musical subjects:

Genesis was better with Phil Collins as lead singer.

But Peter Gabriel's solo output tops Genesis + Phil Collins solo for sheer consistent brilliance.

David Bowie is one of the Top 3 or 4 most influential artists in rock history. He almost single-handedly ushered in the new wave/post-punk craze of the late 70s/early 80s

I love the Human League, but those 2 gals cannot sing on key if their lives depended on it. But that's part of their charm.

Eurythmics deserve to be in the rock and roll hall of fame, but they may never get there.

Pet Shop Boys are the smartest pop songwriters and best pop producers of the last 25 years.

Mariah Carey has one classic single: Vision of Love. Just about everything else she's done is disposable pap.

Janet Jackson, with her papery-thin voice, would have been politely ushered out of any record executive's office with a firm NO THANKS had it not been for her famous family. And w/out Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis, she'd be the younger equivalent of Rebbie and LaToya. But I still like her, and the Nipplegate hysteria was the most idiotic overreaction in pop culture history.

I love The Cure, but honestly.... with the hair and the makeup STILL, at 51 years old, Robert Smith has become something of a mockery of himself. And musically he's run out of things to say and new, interesting ideas. He seems content to perpetually recycle himself.

Madonna is the top female artist of all time, period. She's maintained an extraordinary level of popularity and relevance over a nearly 30 year period, and has released an incredible string of classic singles and albums that helps define pop music.

Iron Maiden is an amazing band that deserves to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Same with Rush.

Seal is a maddeningly inconsistent artist.

Beyonce is far more talented than her critics want to admit.

Falco is seen as a novelty act one-hit wonder in the US. It's unfortunate, cuz he put out lots of great stuff.

Radiohead and U2 are the most important rock bands of the last 30 years, and will take their places alongside bands like Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones, The Beatles, etc. as titans in rock history.

I like Depeche Mode, but they are capable of incredibly cringe-inducingly bad lyrics at times.

Taylor Dayne should have been more successful, for a longer period. A killer voice.

Sting is without question the most pretentious artist in rock/pop, and he hasn't released anything worth listening to since "Mercury Falling" - - which is his most undervalued album by far.

The Doors and Led Zeppelin I are 2 of the greatest debut albums in rock history; perhaps the greatest.

Neil Young and Bob Dylan both had some undervalued gems in the 80s, but by and large their output that decade is far below their normal standard. Still, they both managed a handful of stone-cold classics during that period (especially Dylan).

Cyndi Lauper fucking rocks.

Erasure doesn't get the respect they deserve. They've been putting out killer singles and albums for 25 years, and they are phenomenally good in concert.

Rod Stewart has become an embarrassment with the Great American Songbook series. Eeep.

Tom Waits is one of the best songwriters in rock history, and "Hold On" from Mule Variations may be his peak. Or "Time"...

"Abnormally Attracted to Sin" by Tori Amos was her strongest album in years, and was sadly overlooked.

I appreciate Morrissey and The Smiths, but I can only listen to them in small doses.

Alanis Morrisette is still releasing great albums, and it's a shame the public has by and large lost interest.

Michael Jackson's best single is "Billie Jean" - - period. End of argument.

Prince fans are the most masochistic in all of pop/rock music.

Ozzy Osbourne has become a sad caricature of himself.

Nine Inch Nails - - - - overrated. I like some of their stuff, but jeez talk about taking yourself too fucking seriously. Trent needs to get laid.

Nirvana, Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains are 3 very very different bands who somehow got lumped together because they were from the same city. All 3 were great.

It's pointless for Fleetwood Mac to tour and record without Christine McVie.

The Fixx's "Phantoms" may be THE most underrated and overlooked rock album of the 80's.

Arcade Fire, Editors and Bloc Party are the best bands to emerge in the last decade.

Kate Bush is a goddess and I would pay any amount of money to see her perform live.

Semisonic is a killer band that sadly got pegged into the 90's rock scene and wasn't able to overcome the albatross of "one-hit-wonder" status after "Closing Time". Dan Wilson is an outstanding songwriter.

Eminem is finished.

Springsteen is as good as he's ever been.

George Michael is about as good as it gets as a pop vocalist. Too bad he hasn't released a consistently good album since Listen Without Prejudice.

Every Foo Fighters song sounds alike to me.

Green Day is THE most overrated band of the last decade. And please don't call them punk. They are not punk in any way, shape or form. They are power-pop.

New Order is way way way overrated (although i love some of their stuff, in particular Technique.) They came nowhere close to ever matching Joy Division.

Guns n' Roses - fuck yeah. Chinese Democracy - Fuck No.

CCR - - brilliant band. Effigy is the shit.

k.d. lang is an extraordinary vocalist who doesn't get nearly the respect she deserves.

I want to have sex with Kings of Leon.

Gwen Stefani - i like her, but everytime I've heard her sing live on TV its sucked, and she's pretty hideous without lots and lots of makeup.

OK that's all I can think of now Which is probably a good thing.
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midiscover said:

Janet is nothing without her choreogrophers. That is not what being a true dancer is about, sorry.

Paula was a much better dancer than Janet and still is.

Ciara is better than Janet ever was.

But Janet had wonderful choreography.

sleepyq said:

ppppfffff

> Paula Abdul

sleepyq said:

Paula Abdul could NEVER see Janet at dancing. That's why she's drugged up and jobless. AND still giving us Janet a la Control era.

No other female can touch Janet when it comes to dancing. And don't give me that taught dancer bullshit. Janet's a natural dancer.

*twirls*

sleepyq said:

Mike did splits as a kid

I'm not too old school (I'm sure we're in the same age group). It's not always about moves, its also about execution, energy, and style

Shit, we're talking about dancing, Mr. Wiggles would destroy Omarion and alot of these recent dudes immediately

sleepyq said:

Janet is a choreographer, miss flabby.

I find it hysterical that you would even debate anyone being a better dancer than Janet. But hey, you're a Janet hater. So I expect nothing less.

Paula and her unnecessary levels could NEVER touch Janet in dancing.

Ciara could never see Janet in dancing. Reason why she sticks to the booty tooting and pussy popping.

sleepyq said:

You must be 12 or 13!!!!!

NastradumasKid said:

bboy87 said:

Timbaland USED to be good, not anymore. And I agree the Neptunes are better!!! And Yeah Timba is a thief, if he thinks he can steal foreign music without paying for it or give any credit to the original artist, he needs to sit his old ass down. BTW, what happen to Magoo???!!!

DESTORY HIM, JANET!! RIP HIS DICK OFF!!!

JoeTyler said:

But his comments about it seem valid, when the Beatles and other UK acts came to the states, they were covering RECENT singles and doing better than the acts who did them first and alot of stateside groups fell to the wayside

midiscover said:

If Janet was such a great dancer, why has she never attempted to freestyle?

On SYTYD, they have to freestyle. What kind of dancer doesn't know how to freestyle? Thats like bein a piano player, but not bneing able to punch the keys unless u have a paper in front of u.

I could post several videos of MJ, Ciara, and Omarion freestyling.

Can u post one of Janet? Since shes such a great dancer she mustve attempted to do somethin without her choreographers!

The UK R&B and dance scene is steps ahead of the US and has been for the past couple of years

MJ's 'Black Or White' was a total 'Rhythm Nation' rip off.

Tupac is nothing but garbage.

sleepyq said:

Who said she hasn't? She did on the European leg of the TVR tour.

I thought freestyling was doing different moves!?! Not the same shit over and over. So no what MJ did wasn't freestlying and what Ciara does isn't. Best believe that Janet could if she wanted to get on a hand stand and make her ass clap but she doesn't because that's not her thing leave that for Ciara.

She's the main choreographer of her own shit You stay trying it. Can Ciara do anything besides a butt clap and pussy pop? Can MJ do anything besides moonwalk and the shimmy? Can Omarion do anything besides pop and lock and emulate MJ's moves?

bboy87 said:

what? the UK (+ european) dance scene has always been miles ahead of the US!!!

Dangerous is nothing but a Rhythm Nation 1814 Pt II.

Many hip/hop acts of the 90s and 00s should have been singles acts only; their albums as a whole are fuckin' uneven...

mrjun18 said:

I disagree with both. "Brenda's Got A Baby" also disagrees with the bolded comment

midiscover said:

If she choreographs her own stuff, why does she need choreogrophers? Why did she even hire Paula Abdul in the 1st place? Why didnt she come up with all her video choreography on her own, hm?

Oh, wait... this is also a collaborative effort on Janet part, hm? For someoen so talented, she seems to collaborate a lot. :lol

sleepyq said:

She doesn't choreograph by herself and she wasn't the one that hired that copycat in the first place. It was John McClain. Miss Flabby, she's the one that comes up with the concepts of her videos along with the choreography with another choreographer.

So I guess MJ wasn't talented either?

You try so hard.

midiscover said:

IMO, it's not even close. Obviously, Janet wins hands down in the iconic videos and choreography department. But as sleepy pointed out, Ciara is a natual dancer. I don't think I've ever seen Janet just simply dance (no choreography). I've seen that time and time again with Ciara. And no, it wasn't all booty-poppin'.
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James Brown is the most Influential American composer of the 20th Century.

Louis Armstrong is the most Important American composer of the 20th Century.

Duke Ellington is the greatest American composer of the 20th Century.

Lupe Fiasco & Gza lyrically>Rakim & Tupac.

Layzie said:

Do you honestly think someone who isn't a natural dancer could do half the shit Janet does? How's pussy popping, booty tooting and that move where she spreads her legs and wines her waist, natural? Who said Janet couldn't do that? and yes, Ciara's freestyling consists of all that and the James Brown shimmy.

Again, Janet is a better dancer.

bboy87 said:

Well, he's overrated! Rakim is the man !

midiscover said:

Well, MJ wrote 8 #1 hits by himself.

And he freestyled all the time.

Janet never did either.