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PrintableMendesCity said: sleepyq said: No, never ever. Christina Aguilera threw grease at her, and she didnt bite back. Katy Perry was throwin some shade. Now MIA and Grace Jones too. She won't respond to none of them. It can get VERY lonely at the TOP. I'm not a Gaga fan, but she has kept it classy by not getting into these spats. And I'm not a fan just because the music doesn't move me, but it seems kind of ridiculous to be angry at her for having some influences. 
[Edited 4/18/10 8:15am] I dont mind what Grace said, but i need to know why she hasnt called Rihanna out. Riri is biting off her even more than Gaga is! The other 3... it was jealousy. Shes on top, and they not. End. | |
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sleepyq said: MendesCity said: I'm not a Gaga fan, but she has kept it classy by not getting into these spats. And I'm not a fan just because the music doesn't move me, but it seems kind of ridiculous to be angry at her for having some influences.
[Edited 4/18/10 8:15am] I dont mind what Grace said, but i need to know why she hasnt called Rihanna out. Riri is biting off her even more than Gaga is! The other 3... it was jealousy. Shes on top, and they not. End. The thing is though, that Grace didnt bring it up the lame ass interviewer did, which is the point everyone forgets, Grace didnt go on a GaGa rant out of the blue, the interviewer baited her with it. Rihanna wasnt mentioned because she wasnt brought up, and Grace probably doesnt even give a shit about someone like that, regardless of Jacking her style now on her current tour, now had the interviewer said "hey look at these pics of Rihanna jacking your style" then Grace probably would have jumped on it. But again, Grace went off because GaGa was mentioned over and over in HER interview, and sorry, thats not the way to do interviews, thats the way to get good soundbytes which is what they did. The interviewer had no idea who Grace was, probably read a bio five minutes earlier "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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sleepyq said: MendesCity said: I'm not a Gaga fan, but she has kept it classy by not getting into these spats. And I'm not a fan just because the music doesn't move me, but it seems kind of ridiculous to be angry at her for having some influences.
[Edited 4/18/10 8:15am] I dont mind what Grace said, but i need to know why she hasnt called Rihanna out. Riri is biting off her even more than Gaga is! The other 3... it was jealousy. Shes on top, and they not. End. So in other words, artists don't care about their art or artistic integrity inn general; only popularity. Yeah, riiight. 
Lady Gaga is doing her thing but its ridiculous for people to pretend that everything she does is new when there's so much proof that it isn't. | |
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lastdecember said: sleepyq said: I dont mind what Grace said, but i need to know why she hasnt called Rihanna out. Riri is biting off her even more than Gaga is! The other 3... it was jealousy. Shes on top, and they not. End. The thing is though, that Grace didnt bring it up the lame ass interviewer did, which is the point everyone forgets, Grace didnt go on a GaGa rant out of the blue, the interviewer baited her with it. Rihanna wasnt mentioned because she wasnt brought up, and Grace probably doesnt even give a shit about someone like that, regardless of Jacking her style now on her current tour, now had the interviewer said "hey look at these pics of Rihanna jacking your style" then Grace probably would have jumped on it. But again, Grace went off because GaGa was mentioned over and over in HER interview, and sorry, thats not the way to do interviews, thats the way to get good soundbytes which is what they did. The interviewer had no idea who Grace was, probably read a bio five minutes earlier I know, I'm not mad at Grace at all. Shes entitled to her opinion, and just answered what the interviewer asked. The other 3... yes, i believe theyre jealous.  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: sleepyq said: I dont mind what Grace said, but i need to know why she hasnt called Rihanna out. Riri is biting off her even more than Gaga is! The other 3... it was jealousy. Shes on top, and they not. End. So in other words, artists don't care about their art or artistic integrity inn general; only popularity. Yeah, riiight.
Lady Gaga is doing her thing but its ridiculous for people to pretend that everything she does is new when there's so much proof that it isn't. Gaga has never claimed to be original or new wave. That is critics and fasn that claim she is all these great things. Gaga has always set out to be a pop star who is making pop music. People are directing their frustration in the wrong direction. | |
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sleepyq said: BlaqueKnight said: So in other words, artists don't care about their art or artistic integrity inn general; only popularity. Yeah, riiight.
Lady Gaga is doing her thing but its ridiculous for people to pretend that everything she does is new when there's so much proof that it isn't. Gaga has never claimed to be original or new wave. That is critics and fasn that claim she is all these great things. Gaga has always set out to be a pop star who is making pop music. People are directing their frustration in the wrong direction. Well thats it in a nutshell, the critics and writers create these things, whether they are calling Coldplay the most original ever(HA!) or calling Arcade Fire the greatest Band Ever or Building up Alicia Keys and John Legend as the second coming, we all shouldnt buy into what they sell, but alot of people tend to take to what the media says, and forget to look back, the thing is though that alot of the times that artists take from those times didnt have this kind of media. So if someone says Gaga is ripping off Dale Bozzio, a GaGa fan is not going to look back and find out who Dale is, they will just say no she is original. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: sleepyq said: Gaga has never claimed to be original or new wave. That is critics and fasn that claim she is all these great things. Gaga has always set out to be a pop star who is making pop music. People are directing their frustration in the wrong direction. Well thats it in a nutshell, the critics and writers create these things, whether they are calling Coldplay the most original ever(HA!) or calling Arcade Fire the greatest Band Ever or Building up Alicia Keys and John Legend as the second coming, we all shouldnt buy into what they sell, but alot of people tend to take to what the media says, and forget to look back, the thing is though that alot of the times that artists take from those times didnt have this kind of media. So if someone says Gaga is ripping off Dale Bozzio, a GaGa fan is not going to look back and find out who Dale is, they will just say no she is original. Don't blame music critics or writers. This is the labels and their PR people who taught this ish in their press releases, announcements at listening parties and whatever else they use to push their product and *yes* the artist has a role in this too so don't let Gaga (and the others) off. Space for sale... | |
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sleepyq said: Gaga has never claimed to be original or new wave. That is critics and fasn that claim she is all these great things. Gaga has always set out to be a pop star who is making pop music. People are directing their frustration in the wrong direction. Different people have different gripes with her. M.I.A. claimed she bit her style on a couple of songs, WHICH SHE DID. You'd have to be deaf not to hear it or you'd have to be unaware of M.I.A.'s sound. India Arie was the one who was saying her talent exceeds what she is doing right now. Grace Jones is saying that she is biting her style and expressed that she is unwilling to "validate" her by doing a song with her. She is smart for that. Nobody I mentioned is spitting pure hate at Gaga. Hey, if you steal from somebody, you can expect them to criticize you. If I came to your house, stole your car from your driveway and drove it around, my friends would sound like fools for saying that you're just hating on me because I have a new car. Its YOUR car. You have the right to be pissed. To be honest, I'm not a fan of any of these artists. I like a couple of songs by each of them. There are some valid claims being made. How dismissive you are depends on how big of a Gaga fan you are. [Edited 4/18/10 9:20am] | |
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sosgemini said: lastdecember said: Well thats it in a nutshell, the critics and writers create these things, whether they are calling Coldplay the most original ever(HA!) or calling Arcade Fire the greatest Band Ever or Building up Alicia Keys and John Legend as the second coming, we all shouldnt buy into what they sell, but alot of people tend to take to what the media says, and forget to look back, the thing is though that alot of the times that artists take from those times didnt have this kind of media. So if someone says Gaga is ripping off Dale Bozzio, a GaGa fan is not going to look back and find out who Dale is, they will just say no she is original. Don't blame music critics or writers. This is the labels and their PR people who taught this ish in their press releases, announcements at listening parties and whatever else they use to push their product and *yes* the artist has a role in this too so don't let Gaga (and the others) off. True, but critics and writers are just as bad, dont let me run down all the Jim Farber qoutes, and he isnt a young guy he is a jump the bandwagon type guy. Pr teams do the work which is what they get paid to do by the label, as for the artists it really depends on who it is, some have no problem with saying they are pioneers and originators, Kanye West comes to mind, but some others dont even speak and still get the hype. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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sosgemini said: errant said: she's been hot for a little over a year. she's supposed to have moved on and grown & evolved as an artist already? That's not what I am saying. I am saying, her PR and label should have allowed her to grow as an individual artist before they dumped all that money into shoving her into the public conscience the way they did (and for the amount of time they are doing it). heck, she's headlining a tour with one freaken album? Janet sold way more and was way bigger and even she didn't do that. I think you and I both know that there are about a dozen reasons why Janet didn't go on tour for Control, but they're best left unsaid since there are some demented Janazis on this thread and it doesn't really need to go in that direction 
So I'll just leave it at Janet wasn't ready and she wasn't hungry for it. And things have changed in the last 25 years. But they haven't changed to the point where you don't strike while the iron is hot and let an opportunity pass. And like Grace Jones, half of the point of Gaga is the crazy get ups and the nutty stage presence and a desire to do performance art. So why WOULDN'T she tour? She came up on touring clubs and seems interested in calling her own shots and writing her own ticket, so why WOULDN'T she headline a tour if her success allows for it? | |
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^^I've made my point. Not gonna rehash it or beat a dead horse just to get the last word in. I few years ago, I might have but now...nah.
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errant said: I think you and I both know that there are about a dozen reasons why Janet didn't go on tour for Control, but they're best left unsaid since there are some demented Janazis on this thread and it doesn't really need to go in that direction
So I'll just leave it at Janet wasn't ready and she wasn't hungry for it. She didn't go on tour because her label didn't feel she was ready to tour but she did a couple of shows. Why the fuck was she brought up anyway? | |
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sosgemini said: ^^I've made my point. Not gonna rehash it or beat a dead horse just to get the last word in. I few years ago, I might have but now...nah.
The touring/headlining thing is debatable though. Your success didnt always determine where you sat on the "bill", i mean Inxs was still supporting acts while on the KICK tour at times, and that was album 6 and with an album that sold 9 million. And they were clearly seasoned playing about 100 dates a year, which would kill todays performers after 20. Bon Jovi didnt start supporting till part of the way into the "slippery when wet" tour and that album sold more than peoples catalogs sell or will sell. So the whole popularity thing is more of a "today" thing to get you on the top of the bill, and to get people to come see shows. But most of todays artists, whether they did some club stuff are not ready for tours, physically or mentally, i mean we can run down the laundry list of acts over the last few years that have cancelled shows on their tours and have had meltdowns, because they just dont have it in them to do tours YET, back in the day you supported and built up, now you are tossed out there to sell tickets, if you pass out, whatever. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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poetcorner61 said:   this picture just made me postpone my dinner for an hour. | |
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lastdecember said: Bon Jovi didnt start supporting till part of the way into the "slippery when wet" tour and that album sold more than peoples catalogs sell or will sell.
Not to get into this particular debate, but Bon Jovi was opening major tours in support of 7800° Fahrenheit, well before Slippery When Wet. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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Richard Pryor or Redd Foxx extrapolation:
What's the big deal? Both have dicks, right? Grace's just has gold stripes and shit, with a longer-lasting flavor. | |
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HatrinaHaterwitz said: Rhianna's "Grace Jones" [b]act is the most DISRESPECTFUL, if you ask me...because as crass, unfeeling and tactless as this may be...how in the hell do you even try to emulate GRACE JONES...after you've gotten your ass kicked PUBLICLY by Chris Brown?[/b]
    Yeah, Rihanna has no credibility to be "hard" like Grace Jones, since she became weak and was not able to put a scratch on Chris Brown. If that had been Grace in that car, it would have been like that martial arts/wrestling scene she did in "A View To A Kill." Chris or any man trying to attack Grace would have ended up in an intensive care unit. Rihanna's not truly tough like that, and Gaga probably isn't either. Both of them are just acting/imitating for attention, but Grace is for real."You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Stax said: lastdecember said: Bon Jovi didnt start supporting till part of the way into the "slippery when wet" tour and that album sold more than peoples catalogs sell or will sell.
Not to get into this particular debate, but Bon Jovi was opening major tours in support of 7800° Fahrenheit, well before Slippery When Wet. yes they were "opening" not headlining, Jovi was opening for everyone from Anthrax to Zztop, they had very few gigs where they would headline. Jon talks about this in the documentary for the new record where he says they first played MSG supporting Zztop and then got back there as the headliner late on the Slippery tour, but they still got supporting gigs even on the Slippery tour, depending where they were. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Stax said: lastdecember said: Bon Jovi didnt start supporting till part of the way into the "slippery when wet" tour and that album sold more than peoples catalogs sell or will sell.
Not to get into this particular debate, but Bon Jovi was opening major tours in support of 7800° Fahrenheit, well before Slippery When Wet. i should have said "Stop" supporting they were supporting well into the Slippery tour which is the point of how popularity didnt define where you were on the bill "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Stax said: Not to get into this particular debate, but Bon Jovi was opening major tours in support of 7800° Fahrenheit, well before Slippery When Wet. i should have said "Stop" supporting they were supporting well into the Slippery tour which is the point of how popularity didnt define where you were on the bill  a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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poetcorner61 said: I hope I look that good when I'm her age... Facebook, I haz it - https://www.facebook.com/Nikster1969
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Stax said:
Grace was doing it when it was avant garde; Gaga is doing it now that its mainstream. Grace was art. Gaga is product. Agreed. But i like both * * *
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I just want to say that I love Larry Levan's mix of "Pull Up to the Bumper"
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MendesCity said: sleepyq said: No, never ever. Christina Aguilera threw grease at her, and she didnt bite back. Katy Perry was throwin some shade. Now MIA and Grace Jones too. She won't respond to none of them. It can get VERY lonely at the TOP. I'm not a Gaga fan, but she has kept it classy by not getting into these spats. And I'm not a fan just because the music doesn't move me, but it seems kind of ridiculous to be angry at her for having some influences.
[Edited 4/18/10 8:15am] I wouldn't say that she is done to earth, but she does seem genuinely kind, if not sugary sweet (although probably not a total pushover....however her business dealings might suggest she is....). | |
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Glad to see some love for Grace.
I always thought she was beautiful, edgy and as someone said it best...so AVANT GARDE. Way before most of us knew what Avant Garde meant. "Remember, one man's filler is another man's killer" -- Haystack | |
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Timmy84 said: This thread just gives me an excuse to post videos from Lady Grace:
 I NEVAH knew this song was by Grace! Thanks for posting this. New appreciation for Grace. I always thought she was the epitome of natural beauty but I didn't realize her great musical talent.
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Two of my FAVE Grace Jones tunes..
I don't know how David Bowie felt about her covering this song, but I have to say she REALLY put her stamp into it. That woman really coined the word "attitude". | |
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SHIT
How come nobody told me they released One Man Show into DVD? 
Review 1 Intro 2 Warm Leatherette 3 Walking In The Rain 4 Feel Up 5 La Vie En Rose 6 Demolition Man 7 Pull Up To The Bumper 8 Private Life 9 My Jamaican Guy 10 Living My Life 11 I've Seen That Face Before (Libertango) 12 Slave To The Rhythm 13 Love Is The Drug 14 Crush --Track listing Product Description NTSC/Region 0. This DVD contains a rarely seen concert from the model, actress and vocalist. On looks alone, Grace Jones has become an import part of our pop culture. More so than any model of her era, she proved that models could be strong and sensual instead of wispy, helpless and frail. Musically, she transcends genres, incorporating Pop, Disco, Reggae, New Wave and other styles into the mix. These live performances were taped in 1981while on tour promoting her album Nightclubbing. Her striking looks and ground-breaking music are perfect recipes for a feast for the eyes, ears, heart and soul. Features 14 tracks including 'Warm Leatherette', 'Pull Up To The Bumper', 'Walking In The Rain', 'La Vie En Rose' and many more. Immortal.  | |
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