errant said:

Oh are you too old for that?

He basically asks her regardless of what people are saying about the sales is she happy with the album artistically.

midiscover said:

I guess that's my question. Who's "they"?

errant said:

Where in my post does it have the word "they" ??

The Velvet Rope did better overseas than in the states.

midiscover said:

so you bought some time in avoiding it by one response.

fine. what people?

errant said:

are you bored?

I'm assuming he's speaking of the media.

midiscover said:

right. that's what our entire conversation is about. what media was saying anything about it?

errant said:

I don't think you know what you're talking about

You said the media wasn't giving her any flack for the lack of commercial success TVR had and I provided a source of an interviewer asking her how she feels about people saying the sales aren't living up to her previous efforts.

midiscover said:

as I said, I didn't watch the video. did he quote some article or program that said it?

because when I hear an interviewer ask questions like that, it sounds to me like the artist's manager or agent told them to ask it to head those things off at the pass before people do start saying it.

Now I know you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Cinnie said:

¡fierce!

I just saw why did i get married too. Great job janet, imo. Sad moments in the movie. She did really well and jill scott as well.
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NMuzakNSoul said:

What the hell, this movie wasn't playing in a single theatre in my entire PROVINCE.

Cinnie said:

didnt say i went to the theatre,

NMuzakNSoul said:

TD3 said:

I dont even know ehre to start, u clarly have no clue WTF ur talkin about right now...

Becomeing a video chick after the SB incident was the most careless thing she and her management could've done. Fact.

midiscover said:

Commercially, Discipline was deifnitely worse.

BUT I belive that its because of 20 YO that Discipline was such a failure. I think she lost a lot of fans with everything concerning the era. The music (regarded as her worst album ever). The slutty get ups at a time when she should've been covering up. She looked like she was trying to compete with Ciara. A lot of people gave up on Janbet after 20 YO, I can tell u that from personal experience. Discipline was much better recieved by critics and had a lot of positive buzz on the net. It may have been less successful, but I think it was a more positive time of her career overall.

sleepyq said:

I know people gave up on Janet once 20 Y.O. was released. I think if she followed Damita Jo up with a really good album then she could've done well commercially. Discipline era was all around depressing. There was nothing positive about that era. She was being treated like a 2nd rate star under her label and it just seemed like nobody cared for her but her hardcore fans. Yea, Discipline got some good review but it was still meh. I think people got tired of her sexual persona. But whateva!!

midiscover said:

Oh, yeah the label and Janet deifnitely dropped the ball.

I guess I just look at it better because we got to see Janet go on tour and I actually liked the album a lot. Thats more than we can say for 20 YO.

Well we have to look at it from Janet's perspective. She didn't seem too involved in either 20 YO or Discipline. It was more like contract obligations (20 YO to end her Virgin contract and Discipline to test if Def Jam would do anything with it, which it didn't). Plus the labels didn't seem interested in what Janet wanted and when it came to figuring out what to release, the second singles always flopped due to bad timing. It's like bad episodes in an otherwise good dramatic series.
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Timmy84 said:

Now that you mention it...

How the hell did Janet leave Virgin after 20 Y.O., record ONE album for Island Def Jam and she already has an option to go indie or with a major.

The hell, she had a one-album deal?

Cinnie said:

Yeah I wonder about that too. If I remember reading news about the contract, it didn't really state how long the original contract was or how many albums she was gonna do for the label (Def Jam).

Timmy84 said:

Maybe she did a deal to do one album to test the water, to see the results.

Obviously it didn't work out as planned.

seeingvoices12 said:

It was a one-album deal.

Cinnie said:

Yea, it was a one album deal. 20 Y.O. was her last album under her Virgin contract. She was supposed to release a GH album after 20 Y.O. but wanted to be released from the label right after 20 Y.O. because she felt they weren't treating her right ever since the SB happened. Plus it failed to meet their expectations. She was only getting support from the Urban division of the label which JD was running at the time. He left when she left and followed her to IDJ.

About Velvet Rope I was SO CRAZY about her and buying the magazines and went to the tour and saw in person and everything. It seemed like people were more interested in boy bands than her, but those who liked r&b and hip hop liked I Get Lonely, and Together Again, they either liked or they didn't though it was a smash single. I loved the red hair and tattoos and wanted that look too, but people weren't ready for it. The Velvet Rope album was my teen angst album and helped me cope with some tough times, even right now.

As for current Janet in recent years, I hear you on what's being said about 20 YO Janet. I didn't like a lot of the photoshoots either and was embarassed for her. Nothing wrong with flaunting it if you have it, but she was being so trashy when she's nothing like that and it didn't help her, since it was supposed to be her comeback since the superbowl, just not calculated well. The music was good and has aged better, cause I wasn't feeling it right away and it didn't stand out from the rest, especially the timbaland hits. Feedback got airplay where I'm at, but I don't remember hearing Rock With U on the radio though I remember BET airing it a lot.

I still love Janet, hit or no hit, but it's so nice when people pay attention to her and love her and see how awesome she is, but I guess people are focused on younger artists now and that's just how it is

I was watching one of her interviews from the Damita Jo era earlier and she said that she would never mix business with pleasure after what happened with her in Rene.

Janet is so repetitive in ALL of her interviews of the past 20 years. I still love her, but I'm not going out of my way to record them anymore, cause she clearly sucks at them and oprah was the final nail in the coffin. I will always love her, but am going to stick to the movies and music or else she'll continue to piss me off. I'm still a big fan don't get me wrong, but last week I was crying for not just michael, but her.
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Cinnie said:

aren't you from Hamilton? It's playing in Toronto and GTA everywhere and sold out where I went.