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midiscover said: Some of you talk too damn much but end up looking a complete ass at the end. You don't sound smart!
'Musician' doesn't only apply to instrumentalists. It also applies to singers, songwriters, conductors, composers, etc. Basically, anyone that performs music. Yup. |
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Favorite Musicians
Earth, Wind, and Fire Rose Royce The Roots Prince (and the Revolution,NPG, and the other nameless bands that had contributed to what we know as Prince music) Alicia Keys Queen The Time Klymaxx Simple Minds Talking Heads (is that the right name of the group that did "Burning Down the House) Sheila E Lenny Kravitz Travis Barker Nirvana Donny Hathaway Roberta Flack..... Favorite Singers Jill Scott Teddy Pendergrass Luther Vandross Prince 
Erykah Badu D'Angelo Monica..... OMG....obviously I like a lot of people. I just can't commit to one musician or singer.  | |
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maria1999 said: Favorite Musicians
Earth, Wind, and Fire Rose Royce The Roots Prince (and the Revolution,NPG, and the other nameless bands that had contributed to what we know as Prince music) Alicia Keys Queen The Time Klymaxx Simple Minds Talking Heads (is that the right name of the group that did "Burning Down the House) Please don't tell me that's the only song you know from them! Sheila E Lenny Kravitz Travis Barker Nirvana Donny Hathaway Roberta Flack..... Favorite Singers Jill Scott Teddy Pendergrass Luther Vandross Prince
Erykah Badu D'Angelo Monica..... OMG....obviously I like a lot of people. I just can't commit to one musician or singer. | |
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Alej said: midiscover said: Some of you talk too damn much but end up looking a complete ass at the end. You don't sound smart!
'Musician' doesn't only apply to instrumentalists. It also applies to singers, songwriters, conductors, composers, etc. Basically, anyone that performs music. Yup. And you would be correct. | |
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well if everyone else is doing a list
Mariah Carey Michael Jackson Jay Z Kanye West NeYo pretty much my top 5 if it sounds good to me then it just sounds good to me  | |
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I'ma make a list too, then.
Prince Mariah Carey Dixie Chicks Jill Scott Teddy Thompson Lady Gaga Christina Aguilera Corinne Bailey Rae  |
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Yes he is!!!!! | |
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NastradumasKid said: ernestsewell said: I don't think you do if you're listing people like Nas, Ludacris, Kanye West, etc. They're great sampling other people's music, or sampling beats, or creating beats in a drum machine. I dare either of them to sit at a piano and play something worthy of listening to, or pick up a guitar and play something funky. So fucking what???!!!!! I like them and yeah they sample music. You don't have to like them, but don't even start this bullshit. As a musician, they are NOT musicians by any stretch. They're rappers, or entertainers, or even poets perhaps, but they are not musicians. | |
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ernestsewell said: NastradumasKid said: So fucking what???!!!!! I like them and yeah they sample music. You don't have to like them, but don't even start this bullshit. As a musician, they are NOT musicians by any stretch. They're rappers, or entertainers, or even poets perhaps, but they are not musicians. I have to agree w/ Ernest on this one... "Its flier to B hungry than fat" | |
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midiscover said: Some of you talk too damn much but end up looking a complete ass at the end. You don't sound smart!
'Musician' doesn't only apply to instrumentalists. It also applies to singers, songwriters, conductors, composers, etc. Basically, anyone that performs music. I have to disagree on that one. Musicians are people who play musical instruments. There's no doubt Mariah has a good voice, but is she someone who is going to sit down and play me something on the piano? Probably not. She's not a musician. Good vocalist? Totally. Good singer? Yep. She can probably arrange a song's vocals quite well too. She might even write songs from scratch, coming up with a melody and a lyric. But it's her producers and session musicians that are playing on her albums, not her. She's not in the studio laying down a bass track, then a percussion track, then a keyboard part, then a guitar part. She wouldn't even know where to start. She's no musician. She's a lot of things, but she's not a musician. Fuck, Britney fucking Spears sat at a piano for 30 seconds once in a concert, would you call HER a musician? Of course not. Anyone who did would be guilty of trying to spite those of us who say otherwise. "Musician" isn't some general term applying to anyone who is part of music, no more than "Kleenex" is about every tissue, or "Xerox" is about every copier. Kleenex is a brand. Xerox is a brand. Musician is a role. To use it in a general sense cheapens the very nature of the title and those who have that gift. It's okay if Mariah or Kanye never sit down and play guitar. Some people don't have it in them. Their gifts lie elsewhere, but they are not musicians. Composers are songwriters, whether it's an orchestral piece, or a pop song. Conductors are arrangers by title. They might be a musician in that role, but a Conductor proper isn't a musician. He's leading the pack, not playing with them by hitting notes or making percussive sounds. Call it what you will in me, but I'm guarded about the term "musician", and who it applies to. Maybe those who don't play an instrument or write music don't get that. I understand that, but don't question those of us who do. I'm not a rapper, but I talked in one of my songs. Does that mean I can call myself a rapper? Of course not. That would be stupid. I'd be overstepping my bounds. It's not about sounding smart, it's about knowing who you are, and what goes where. I know Nas isn't a musician. I know Mariah isn't a musician. I know Prince IS, as is Jimi Hendrix, George Michael, Duran Duran. But Ludacris???? Pffft, not even close. | |
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lotusboy said: ernestsewell said: As a musician, they are NOT musicians by any stretch. They're rappers, or entertainers, or even poets perhaps, but they are not musicians. I have to agree w/ Ernest on this one... There should be another thread about "who is your favorite performer". But....those pop up every few months anyway, so give it time.  | |
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She's not a musician. That is the most stupid thing you have ever said Ernest. | |
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pickle said: She's not a musician. That is the most stupid thing you have ever said Ernest.
You saying Mariah is one is even more stupid on your part. Go you! It's foolish to think she is a musician. Don't get all butthurt. The truth will set you free. | |
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Prince is up there, I dunno where though.
These come to mind when thinking of musicians I like: Prince David Bowie Trent Reznor Frank Zappa Andre 3000 I still play pokemon. I play warcraft. And I'm awesome. | |
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Uhh....I don't know. 
Think I have to go with Stevie as my favorite "musician." Prince is a good number 2 though.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Water can nourish me, but water can also carry me. Water has magic laws." - JCVD | |
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NDRU said: He's my favorite musician, but he's not my favorite musical artist, if that makes sense.
John Lennon is my favorite musical artist, and he's a musician, too, but I like him for his artistry, not his skills as a player. That makes perfect sense. "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Prince(There'll never b another like him)
Stevie Wonder D'angelo Rapheal Sadiq Brian Mcknight Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis Jesse Johnson Andre Cymone Elton John Meshell ndegeocello Chuckii Booker Ray Parker Jr. Patrice Rushen Teena Marie Lisa coleman(Like her jazzy chords) George Michaels Roger Troutman Larry Graham Bootsy Collins Mike Scott Rhonda Smith Aretha Franklin All my favorite real musicians that play actual musical instruments  will ALWAYS think of  like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that wasn't of this earth, would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. |
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NDRU said: ernestsewell said: She's not a musician though. of course she is Mariah is like MJ to me: She may be able to play one or two instruments (he definitely could, I'm not sure about her), but their concentration in the studio and onstage is not them being instrumentalists, but rather being vocalists, arrangers, writers, etc. Whatever people define "musician" as being, this thread seems to be only about musical artists who primarily and proficiently play/study instruments. (Otherwise, Michael would be my #1.  )"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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To those who say singers aren't musicians, that is false. The voice is an instrument. You can earn a college degree in music in vocal performance. Choirs exist in music schools. Opera singers are highly trained musicians. Pop singers may or may not be highly trained musicians. Rappers are likely to not be trained musicians or virtuosos and some may be digging the bottom of the barrel in the musical realm but they're still musicians. To say someone is not a musician because they don't play an instrument is nonsense. That's about as valid as saying that you're not a musician if you don't read music or don't know music theory. Also, there are musicians that are theorist and composers but don't really perform and aren't that good at an instrument. A musician is anyone who can create music whether through an instrument, their voice, or on paper. | |
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lotusboy said: My favorite Musician is Prince. and this thread does not ask for a beat down of Prince, just a simple answer..is Prince your favorite musician??
Wow! How did this thread get past a moderator in the non-P section! Of course, P is one of my fav artists or I wouldn't be on this forum!  | |
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nah , he is miles behind miles davis( pun intended) stevie wonder marvin gaye michael jackson sly and the family stone james brown , thats how i feel | |
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tubby said: To those who say singers aren't musicians, that is false. The voice is an instrument. You can earn a college degree in music in vocal performance. Choirs exist in music schools. Opera singers are highly trained musicians. Pop singers may or may not be highly trained musicians. Rappers are likely to not be trained musicians or virtuosos and some may be digging the bottom of the barrel in the musical realm but they're still musicians. To say someone is not a musician because they don't play an instrument is nonsense. That's about as valid as saying that you're not a musician if you don't read music or don't know music theory. Also, there are musicians that are theorist and composers but don't really perform and aren't that good at an instrument. A musician is anyone who can create music whether through an instrument, their voice, or on paper.
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Thanks Pickle. Just for the record, I have a degree in music composition and theory and perform and teach at the professional level. I respect musicians of all kinds whether it be Stravinsky and Bartok, Charlie Parker and Billy Holliday, or Michael Jackson and Eminem. | |
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pickle said: tubby said: To those who say singers aren't musicians, that is false. The voice is an instrument. You can earn a college degree in music in vocal performance. Choirs exist in music schools. Opera singers are highly trained musicians. Pop singers may or may not be highly trained musicians. Rappers are likely to not be trained musicians or virtuosos and some may be digging the bottom of the barrel in the musical realm but they're still musicians. To say someone is not a musician because they don't play an instrument is nonsense. That's about as valid as saying that you're not a musician if you don't read music or don't know music theory. Also, there are musicians that are theorist and composers but don't really perform and aren't that good at an instrument. A musician is anyone who can create music whether through an instrument, their voice, or on paper.
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ernestsewell said: midiscover said: Some of you talk too damn much but end up looking a complete ass at the end. You don't sound smart!
'Musician' doesn't only apply to instrumentalists. It also applies to singers, songwriters, conductors, composers, etc. Basically, anyone that performs music. I have to disagree on that one. Musicians are people who play musical instruments. There's no doubt Mariah has a good voice, but is she someone who is going to sit down and play me something on the piano? Probably not. She's not a musician. Good vocalist? Totally. Good singer? Yep. She can probably arrange a song's vocals quite well too. She might even write songs from scratch, coming up with a melody and a lyric. But it's her producers and session musicians that are playing on her albums, not her. She's not in the studio laying down a bass track, then a percussion track, then a keyboard part, then a guitar part. She wouldn't even know where to start. She's no musician. She's a lot of things, but she's not a musician. Fuck, Britney fucking Spears sat at a piano for 30 seconds once in a concert, would you call HER a musician? Of course not. Anyone who did would be guilty of trying to spite those of us who say otherwise. "Musician" isn't some general term applying to anyone who is part of music, no more than "Kleenex" is about every tissue, or "Xerox" is about every copier. Kleenex is a brand. Xerox is a brand. Musician is a role. To use it in a general sense cheapens the very nature of the title and those who have that gift. It's okay if Mariah or Kanye never sit down and play guitar. Some people don't have it in them. Their gifts lie elsewhere, but they are not musicians. Composers are songwriters, whether it's an orchestral piece, or a pop song. Conductors are arrangers by title. They might be a musician in that role, but a Conductor proper isn't a musician. He's leading the pack, not playing with them by hitting notes or making percussive sounds. Call it what you will in me, but I'm guarded about the term "musician", and who it applies to. Maybe those who don't play an instrument or write music don't get that. I understand that, but don't question those of us who do. I'm not a rapper, but I talked in one of my songs. Does that mean I can call myself a rapper? Of course not. That would be stupid. I'd be overstepping my bounds. It's not about sounding smart, it's about knowing who you are, and what goes where. I know Nas isn't a musician. I know Mariah isn't a musician. I know Prince IS, as is Jimi Hendrix, George Michael, Duran Duran. But Ludacris???? Pffft, not even close. This is all false. A musician pertains to anyone that creates music. It maybe through singing, rapping, songwriting, composing, etc. Basically, through the whole creation process of music anyone that contributes to it in one way or another is a musician. I'm sure you know what the definition of music is and the prefix of musician is -ian which means "pertaining to or from". So no, a musician isn't only an instrumentalist. Therefore, Mariah Carey is a musician, Kanye West is a musician as well. No need to act all self-righteous lol Just about everyone knows that a musician doesn't only play instruments. Maybe, you should look up the definition in the dictionary or better yet - learn more about your profession. | |
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midiscover said:[quote] ernestsewell said: I have to disagree on that one. Musicians are people who play musical instruments. I'm sorry but I don't agree at all (and I'm a professional instrumental, trained musician of over 40 years)--the voice *is* a musical instrument. My sister is a professional vocal coach and that's the FIRST thing she teaches. That's why so many vocalists damage their INSTRUMENT, because they don't treat it as such. A vocalist can be very knowledgeable about music--key signatures, chords, harmony, etc, but they don't have to be proficient at playing piano, drums, and guitar and such. I know many who are. But they are still MUSICIANS. | |
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tubby said: To those who say singers aren't musicians, that is false. The voice is an instrument. You can earn a college degree in music in vocal performance. Choirs exist in music schools. Opera singers are highly trained musicians. Pop singers may or may not be highly trained musicians. Rappers are likely to not be trained musicians or virtuosos and some may be digging the bottom of the barrel in the musical realm but they're still musicians. To say someone is not a musician because they don't play an instrument is nonsense. That's about as valid as saying that you're not a musician if you don't read music or don't know music theory. Also, there are musicians that are theorist and composers but don't really perform and aren't that good at an instrument. A musician is anyone who can create music whether through an instrument, their voice, or on paper.
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midiscover said: This is all false. A musician pertains to anyone that creates music. It maybe through singing, rapping, songwriting, composing, etc. Basically, through the whole creation process of music anyone that contributes to it in one way or another is a musician. I'm sure you know what the definition of music is and the prefix of musician is -ian which means "pertaining to or from". So no, a musician isn't only an instrumentalist. Therefore, Mariah Carey is a musician, Kanye West is a musician as well. No need to act all self-righteous lol Just about everyone knows that a musician doesn't only play instruments. Maybe, you should look up the definition in the dictionary or better yet - learn more about your profession. It's false TO YOU. To people who know, it's common sense. A person who creates music is a WRITER, not a MUSICIAN. Anyone who thinks Kayne West is a musician is just a dumb asshole. | |
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ernestsewell said: midiscover said: This is all false. A musician pertains to anyone that creates music. It maybe through singing, rapping, songwriting, composing, etc. Basically, through the whole creation process of music anyone that contributes to it in one way or another is a musician. I'm sure you know what the definition of music is and the prefix of musician is -ian which means "pertaining to or from". So no, a musician isn't only an instrumentalist. Therefore, Mariah Carey is a musician, Kanye West is a musician as well. No need to act all self-righteous lol Just about everyone knows that a musician doesn't only play instruments. Maybe, you should look up the definition in the dictionary or better yet - learn more about your profession. It's false TO YOU. To people who know, it's common sense. A person who creates music is a WRITER, not a MUSICIAN. Anyone who thinks Kayne West is a musician is just a dumb asshole. Ernest, did you even read my response? I'm an educated musician with a lot of common sense in music and I know better. What exactly makes you an expert? | |
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