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PrintableBabyBeMine said: Omarion or the guys from B2K. LOL....Your kidding right. Are you aware Usher's My Way album was in 1997. 8701 with the hit single U Got It Bad was 2000/2001, Confessions 2003/2004 and now its 2010. Fact is MJ had 2 great albums and that was over 25 years ago.
Dangerous, History, Bad, Inivncible are all mediocre albums. To me Teddy Rileys worse work was on Dangerous and his best was with Guy. Lets put it this way .. how many people around the world will stop to watch Usher funeral when he dies ? Michael Jackson was a cultural phenom .. he sits next to Elvis and The Beatles and the biggest there ever was. Michael Jackson was a global superstar. How many 70,000 seat stadiums has Usher sold out ? Could Usher sell 50 .. FIFTY!!! nights out at the o2. Its like comparing a 5 course meal to a cupcake to paraphrase Simon Cowell. Nuts ! | |
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Guys, all of Usher's creative output is in making Justin Bieber a star. Usher is back on top in my eyes! I still play pokemon. I play warcraft. And I'm awesome. | |
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delicious said: BabyBeMine said: Omarion or the guys from B2K. LOL....Your kidding right. Are you aware Usher's My Way album was in 1997. 8701 with the hit single U Got It Bad was 2000/2001, Confessions 2003/2004 and now its 2010. Fact is MJ had 2 great albums and that was over 25 years ago.
Dangerous, History, Bad, Inivncible are all mediocre albums. To me Teddy Rileys worse work was on Dangerous and his best was with Guy. Lets put it this way .. how many people around the world will stop to watch Usher funeral when he dies ? Michael Jackson was a cultural phenom .. he sits next to Elvis and The Beatles and the biggest there ever was. Michael Jackson was a global superstar. How many 70,000 seat stadiums has Usher sold out ? Could Usher sell 50 .. FIFTY!!! nights out at the o2. Its like comparing a 5 course meal to a cupcake to paraphrase Simon Cowell. Nuts !  MICHAEL JACKSON
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Spinzilla said: Guys, all of Usher's creative output is in making Justin Bieber a star. Usher is back on top in my eyes!
 hahaha .. you are a genius. There's a student I teach who LOVES Justin Bieber .. I asked her what was good about him .. first thought off the top of her head 'his hair is real cool' . Says it all really haha.
I actually own the new Usher CD .. I paid actual $$ for it. Love it ! Monstar is a seriously great track. Jam and Lewis still got skills. But yeah .. he aint no MJ. Thinking of it .. why is MJ even mentioned in this thread ? Wasnt it about whether or not Ushers album is any good ? .. I like it a lot. | |
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PYTDee said: BabyBeMine said: Can't compare Usher to D"Angelo because Usher has been around since 1994 and has had several successful albums. He's proven his consistency in the music business. My point was sales in the 90s and early 90s was much higher because there was no internet, downloading of music, etc. You had no choice but to buy the album. Now days you can simply go to youtube and hear a entire album. Usher's whole album was on youtube a month before it came out. There Goes My Baby was on there 2 months ago.
Please stop with the stealing moves stuff. MJ has never done choreography like Usher's CAUGHT UP video which is more street, relates to clubs and Hip Hop. MJ's style choreography is more classical dancing and the same moves over and over. Nothing new since 1983 Maybe I'm missing something here...but I never jumped on the Confessions band wagon.. I actually felt 8701 was a stronger album. Confessions to me was pretty much driven because of the "drama" that surrounded Usher at that time. I couldn't go anywhere without someone talking about the song lyrics which folks believed were about his relationship with Chilli. I heard more about the rumors behind the album than the actual music itself. The track "Yeah" pretty much was a success due to the whole Lil Jon & Crunk trend back then...because seriously you're not hearing now in 2010 how amazing that song is, right? It was cool for that moment. Can we consider any of those songs classics.. or timeless music which will stand the test of time? And despite how "medicore" you feel Michael Jackson later material was...he still pulled out some classics on those albums that is still gonna be played even when we leave this earth.,And I love Usher too..but can we even say the same for him? I think some forget that Michael's career didn't start with him being a solo artist. Dude was performing before he was even 10. He was a legend and star performer way before he even did "Off The Wall"...everything later just made him one of the biggest stars on the planet. He managed to stay relevent in the music industry for 4 decades..that's gotta say a lot..
[Edited 4/12/10 22:15pm] Great Post  MICHAEL JACKSON
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paisleypark4 said: so I.."got" the album today and I must say I LOOVE "Monstar" how anyone can pass on thes track is beyond me. I also like "So many Girls" and "Mars Vs Venus"
Part of the reason why is probably because the lyrics are garbage. Not to mention, it comes right after Usher's claim about there being "two sides to every story...," setting the album up for a concept, and follows that up with an inane song about finding a random girl and having sex with her. For her entire life. 
"Monstar" missed me on the first go around, like it did for pretty much everyone else. The content was neither interesting nor anything even remotely new for him so I tuned it out and waited for it the next song. Not a good first impression; in fact, it should have been placed elsewhere in the tracklisting. However that hot beat JJ and TL gave him finally grew on me. I like "Monstar" for that reason now. He's truly blessed to work with such amazing producers because, frankly, that song probably should have gone to someone with something more pressing to say. Usher's such a sad artist. He's a wounded horse - stuck and dying out. He should be bored with himself at this point. Vocals. Content. Sound. NOTHING has changed. [Edited 4/12/10 23:44pm] | |
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delicious said: BabyBeMine said: Omarion or the guys from B2K. LOL....Your kidding right. Are you aware Usher's My Way album was in 1997. 8701 with the hit single U Got It Bad was 2000/2001, Confessions 2003/2004 and now its 2010. Fact is MJ had 2 great albums and that was over 25 years ago.
Dangerous, History, Bad, Inivncible are all mediocre albums. To me Teddy Rileys worse work was on Dangerous and his best was with Guy. Lets put it this way .. how many people around the world will stop to watch Usher funeral when he dies ? Michael Jackson was a cultural phenom .. he sits next to Elvis and The Beatles and the biggest there ever was. Michael Jackson was a global superstar. How many 70,000 seat stadiums has Usher sold out ? Could Usher sell 50 .. FIFTY!!! nights out at the o2. Its like comparing a 5 course meal to a cupcake to paraphrase Simon Cowell. Nuts ! Sales are overated and more about popularity. That doesn't mean musically your album was better than someone elses. History sold a lot but that album was wack as heck outside of U Are Not Alone written by R Kelly. Dangerous sold well but Teddy Rileys best work was with Guy who sold less. MJ after 1987 was more in the Britney Spears category. Lypsinging with a choreogrpaher teaching him a bunch of choreogrpahed dance steps starting with Dangerous at the 1992 AMA. The 1995 MTV Awards is a embarassement. Performing a slow song and lyp singing is straight up embarassing. MJ Performing U Are Not Alone. Again MJ lived off his popularitiy from Off The Wall and Thriller. http://www.youtube.com/wa...Fo2gzY_kAg | |
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MJ after 1987 was a lypsinging artist desperately trying to hook up with the most popular producer at the current moment and thats a fact.Teddy Riey and New Jack Swing was popular and he wanted to hop aboard. In the late 90s Rodney Jerkins was beginning to make a name for himself and MJ wanted to hop aboard.
How is that a Genius? To me a Genius would be writing and producing your own music or at least having the ability to recognize producing talent from a underated producer not well known. For Example Marsha from Floetry produced Butterflies. Now thats a underated producer/artist. To bad the rest of the album MJ was trying to get with popular producers. Maybe the entire album should have been produced by Andre Harris and Marsha. | |
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If MJ was innovative he wouldn't search for the most popular producer and would instead look for someone not well known with creative ideas in the studio. There just not popular yet. At least that way it sounds fresh and not similair to a sound of other artist. [Edited 4/13/10 0:14am] | |
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this seriously needs to get back on topic.... | |
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Fail...
3 Rubbish posts in a Row. MJ was Innovative Whether you like it or not, Deal with it. Stop downplaying the Man's legacy, He was responsible for creating his best work. [Edited 4/13/10 0:31am] MICHAEL JACKSON
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i just saw his "omg" video, featuring will.i.am and i must say, usher is trying too hard to "imitate" chris brown. i thought it was chris breezy who was supposed to copy usher, not the other way around...sad, very sad  the good life is one inspired by love and guided by knowledge ~ Bertrand Russel | |
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soul4thought said: paisleypark4 said: so I.."got" the album today and I must say I LOOVE "Monstar" how anyone can pass on thes track is beyond me. I also like "So many Girls" and "Mars Vs Venus"
Part of the reason why is probably because the lyrics are garbage. Not to mention, it comes right after Usher's claim about there being "two sides to every story...," setting the album up for a concept, and follows that up with an inane song about finding a random girl and having sex with her. For her entire life.
"Monstar" missed me on the first go around, like it did for pretty much everyone else. The content was neither interesting nor anything even remotely new for him so I tuned it out and waited for it the next song. Not a good first impression; in fact, it should have been placed elsewhere in the tracklisting. However that hot beat JJ and TL gave him finally grew on me. I like "Monstar" for that reason now. He's truly blessed to work with such amazing producers because, frankly, that song probably should have gone to someone with something more pressing to say. Usher's such a sad artist. He's a wounded horse - stuck and dying out. He should be bored with himself at this point. Vocals. Content. Sound. NOTHING has changed. [Edited 4/12/10 23:44pm] You are correct on that...I was ready for some type of "truth" but it just went elsewhere...I guess i was more focused on the production and the adlibs and the way he sings..going into falcetto to his normal vocal tone back and fourth. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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The fact is without Michael, Usher would be nothing.
Second of all, sales matter. If they didn't, all we can judge on is opinion. And the fact is..SEVERAL FANS PREFER DANGEROUS AND HISTORY over Michael's older work. As for legacy, those albums will stand the test of time long before 1808 or whatever Usher's "Classic" album is called. This is seriously insanity. Go join Usher.com and talk to the hundred or so fans who probably agree with these garbage views about Usher being a legend. It is laughable. MJ Fan 1992-Forever
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Vanilli said: The fact is without Michael, Usher would be nothing.
Second of all, sales matter. If they didn't, all we can judge on is opinion. And the fact is..SEVERAL FANS PREFER DANGEROUS AND HISTORY over Michael's older work. As for legacy, those albums will stand the test of time long before 1808 or whatever Usher's "Classic" album is called. This is seriously insanity. Go join Usher.com and talk to the hundred or so fans who probably agree with these garbage views about Usher being a legend. It is laughable. I guess it's also safe to say that without Papa Joe beating his ass, MJ would have been nothing also. Anyway, enough Usher bashing man, we get the point already. And Usher is good in his onw right (even though I lost interest in him when Confessions came out). | |
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Vanilli said: The fact is without Michael, Usher would be nothing.
Second of all, sales matter. If they didn't, all we can judge on is opinion. And the fact is..SEVERAL FANS PREFER DANGEROUS AND HISTORY over Michael's older work. As for legacy, those albums will stand the test of time long before 1808 or whatever Usher's "Classic" album is called. This is seriously insanity. Go join Usher.com and talk to the hundred or so fans who probably agree with these garbage views about Usher being a legend. It is laughable. Comparing Usher to B2K and Omarion is laughable and that's what you did. Without MJ Usher would be nothing? LOL...So whats going to stop Usher from being successful from 1997 to now without MJ? Nothing. Your just giving MJ a little to much credit here. MJ's best work was Thriller and Off The Wall and that was 25 + years ago. Confessions and 8701 are both better than History, Dangerous and Bad. Im a fan of r&b soul music and Dangerous was meant to be that style and to me it was disappointing. Remember The Time was the jam, but the other Teddy Riley tracks were mediocre at best. The Bad album, Smooth Criminal was a great video but the song to me isn't exactly a bumpin track for radio. It's aiiiiight. The song Bad is mediocre with cheesy your butt is mine lyrics. My favoritte on the album was Man In The Mirror. History album is just wack outside of U Are Not Alone and Scream. Rod Temperton and Quincy Jones made MJ and once MJ started having more and moe control thats when his music fell off the edge of the cliff. MJ lived off the success from Thriller and thats a fact.This is why many ppl always say MJ has not made great quality music since Thriller. When current artist speak of his music it's always Off The Wall and Thriller. They never meantion the later albums. [Edited 4/13/10 16:13pm] | |
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seeingvoices12 said: Fail...
3 Rubbish posts in a Row. MJ was Innovative Whether you like it or not, Deal with it. Stop downplaying the Man's legacy, He was responsible for creating his best work. [Edited 4/13/10 0:31am] His dancing was the same and lyp singed throught the entire 1990s, The History tour was the most lyp singing i have ever seen from a supposebedly elite music artist. Usher sings Live and comes up with new dance steps. MJ was great at his peak as a solo nd live artist but it was only for 8, 9 years. 1979 - 1988. Thats when it ended and it started becoming a lyp singer. | |
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