Vendetta1 said: 4bjb said: Did she somehow forget that God is Love and He is color blind...Jill needs to sing and Stop the male/female bashing... Or are they dancing to the beat of their own drum? There's a fine line, one that Jill doesn't acknowledge which, IMHO, turns her argument petty. Space for sale... | |
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Non-black people please stop making comments about racial issues because you guys are ignorant as hell. Shut up because you don't know what you're talking about. Black women don't date outside their race as much as non-black women because many non-black people aren't insterested in having a serious relationship with a black woman. They may have sex with them, but marriage is out of the question.
I also don't understand how so many non-black females date/marry black men, but are still racist. The sad part is that these black men know that those broads are racist, but will hook up with them anyway. I guess they're so desperate to have light-skinnned/good hair kids that they will put up with trash. All mixed kids aren't cute, so they better be careful. Look at Tiger Woods and Rain Pryor. Black people really don't care if you call them racist. You're just changing the subject because you know that racism is still around. If that makes you uncomfortable, we don't care. | |
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sosgemini said: Vendetta1 said: Jill is speaking out against black men discriminating against black women. there is nothing wrong with that.
Or are they dancing to the beat of their own drum? There's a fine line, one that Jill doesn't acknowledge which, IMHO, turns her argument petty. I dunno, maybe because I have heard her talk about this subject before, I know where she is coming from. | |
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PASSIONFRUIT said: TD3 said: This is impart the crux of the matter but I think black women time and energy is being spent in the wrong direction. Sadly, to many Black men are stuck on stupid, lazy, and/or too narcissistic to see how this involves them as it relates to the well being of our community. Demographics are very important to the viability the sustainability of nations. Black people need to start asking ourselves why numbers, our numbers don't appear to give us all pause. Black men are being marginalized out of communities at a rate that's so furious in most metropolitan cities when black women reach middle age we out number black men by 37 %. Those number jump to almost half by the age of 60, 48%. Diseases, mass incarceration, gun violence, uneducated, chronic unemployment,and underemployed are the main reasons why black women can't find suitable mates. Those suitable mates are in jail, in the grave, dying of: gun violence, diabetes, high blood pressure, strokes, lung/prostrate cancer and AIDS), high school drop outs, drug addicts, and convicted felons. Until there's some type of concerted effort to address the causes that leads to the affect, Black women like Ms. Scott will still have an issues with interracial marriages and or relationships. Of course this is a complex issue: I've address just one of the main issues. There are others: the lying and psychological gamesmanship be played out in black relationships. I've been waiting since the Black Power Movement for use to speak truth.. author Michele Wallace tried and was railraod out of the community on rail. the band plays on. This is the best post so far on this subject. You appear to be very well read. I like Michelle Wallace. Are you familiar with the daniel moynihan report? In a nutshell, this report basically blamed the problems of the black community on the black woman. It stated that black women were to dominant and undermining black men. This report was accepted by a lot of black men in the 60s including those in the black power movement, which was very sexist and contradictory ( the men talked black but slept white). This bullshit report I believe started the tensions between black men and women that we see today. ===== I was a little girl when the the Daniel Moynihan Report was released. This shit has been going on since we got off the boat, every generation has its twisted story of how Black women some how played a part in the subjugation of black men. My grandmother would've been a 110 if she were alive, in her day it was, only two groups of people free in America white men and Black women. In my mother 80 year old mother this week, it was black women have easier than Black men and in my time was the Moynihan report.... basically overbearing black women are masculating Black men. Please. Instead of looking outward at the source of the problems and figuring out solutions, some if not many decided to look inward to place blame. Ironic, but I long came to the conclusion many black people were and are too frighten to turn around and "fight" the real issues. That's too scary... it's miracle we got off the damn back of the bus. Besides, men don't compare nor measure themselves against women the measure themselves against other men. This is the issue. I'll leave it at that..... | |
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jeami said: Non-black people please stop making comments about racial issues because you guys are ignorant as hell. Shut up because you don't know what you're talking about. Black women don't date outside their race as much as non-black women because many non-black people aren't insterested in having a serious relationship with a black woman. They may have sex with them, but marriage is out of the question.
i think you are totally out of left field with this post.I also don't understand how so many non-black females date/marry black men, but are still racist. The sad part is that these black men know that those broads are racist, but will hook up with them anyway. I guess they're so desperate to have light-skinnned/good hair kids that they will put up with trash. All mixed kids aren't cute, so they better be careful. Look at Tiger Woods and Rain Pryor. Black people really don't care if you call them racist. You're just changing the subject because you know that racism is still around. If that makes you uncomfortable, we don't care. | |
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jeami said: I also don't understand how so many non-black females date/marry black men, but are still racist. The sad part is that these black men know that those broads are racist, but will hook up with them anyway. Cha know, I was gonna mention this but in my old age, I just didn't want to confuse myself. Space for sale... | |
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Vendetta1 said: sosgemini said: Or are they dancing to the beat of their own drum? There's a fine line, one that Jill doesn't acknowledge which, IMHO, turns her argument petty. I dunno, maybe because I have heard her talk about this subject before, I know where she is coming from. Maybe. I must confess, when I gave my college lecture (I just sooooo love saying that. LOL) I was careful about the statements I made and the words I chose. Scott has way more money invested in her career then I and should be more careful about shooting the ish on subjects. But then, artist dance to the beat of their own drum too. Space for sale... | |
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If *I* was Jill's friend, I would be hurt to read what she felt about my relationship.
So, in the story she keeps a smiling face but winces on the Oh, how gracious. I would be so glad to call her my friend. [Edited 3/28/10 18:39pm] | |
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Vendetta1 said: jeami said: Non-black people please stop making comments about racial issues because you guys are ignorant as hell. Shut up because you don't know what you're talking about. Black women don't date outside their race as much as non-black women because many non-black people aren't insterested in having a serious relationship with a black woman. They may have sex with them, but marriage is out of the question.
i think you are totally out of left field with this post.I also don't understand how so many non-black females date/marry black men, but are still racist. The sad part is that these black men know that those broads are racist, but will hook up with them anyway. I guess they're so desperate to have light-skinnned/good hair kids that they will put up with trash. All mixed kids aren't cute, so they better be careful. Look at Tiger Woods and Rain Pryor. Black people really don't care if you call them racist. You're just changing the subject because you know that racism is still around. If that makes you uncomfortable, we don't care. Wow, that was pretty harsh. Did she really have to go there, I mean I understand where's she's getting at, but man that was a little ignorant of her to say that. Let's just say Neither Black or White people will ever truly understand one another and leave it at that. | |
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Cinnie said: If *I* was Jill's friend, I would be hurt to read what she felt about my relationship.
So, in the story she keeps a smiling face but winces on the outside. Oh, how gracious. I would be so glad to call her my friend. If I continue to agree with you and Harlepolis, I am gonna find The Org a boring place. BTW: You dig the darkness, ehh? Space for sale... | |
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Cinnie said: If *I* was Jill's friend, I would be hurt to read what she felt about my relationship.
so should Jill be fake and keep her thoughts on the matter to herself?
So, in the story she keeps a smiling face but winces on the outside. Oh, how gracious. I would be so glad to call her my friend. If I were Jill's friend and knew the history of black men shunning black women, I would understand Jill's feelings on the matter, whether she is right or wrong. I do hope she had this dialogue with him though. i do imagine that her friend's wife would probably feel pretty bad reading what Jill wrote. | |
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Vendetta1 said: Cinnie said: If *I* was Jill's friend, I would be hurt to read what she felt about my relationship.
so should Jill be fake and keep her thoughts on the matter to herself?
So, in the story she keeps a smiling face but winces on the outside. Oh, how gracious. I would be so glad to call her my friend. If I were Jill's friend and knew the history of black men shunning black women, I would understand Jill's feelings on the matter, whether she is right or wrong. I do hope she had this dialogue with him though. i do imagine that her friend's wife would probably feel pretty bad reading what Jill wrote. I bet she would feel bad. But, once again, as you said before, it's all about understanding. | |
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sosgemini said: If I continue to agree with you and Harlepolis, I am gonna find The Org a boring place. BTW: You dig the darkness, ehh?
Yes. Real love is free from all that fuss. | |
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NastradumasKid said: funkpill said: So..
No one seen the SVU episode huh? no. Then a good performance was miss | |
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Vendetta1 said: so should Jill be fake and keep her thoughts on the matter to herself?
She was already fake when she kept smiling in her friend's face. Maybe she should have talked it out with her friend, and learned why they fell in love beyond her very shallow judgment. | |
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Cinnie said: sosgemini said: If I continue to agree with you and Harlepolis, I am gonna find The Org a boring place. BTW: You dig the darkness, ehh?
Yes. Real love is free from all that fuss. Really? Love can cost you a lot of things if you're not careful, and I'm not just talking about in terms of so-called "Taboo" relationships, like interracial dating/marriage. | |
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I'ma leave you with a re-post of my (white, I know) Jesus facepalm
Cinnie said: I highly doubt that the male or female was plotting on classism when they found happiness within each other. Real love is not exclusive like that. Folks would be better off understanding and welcoming relationships made in love and harmony. | |
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Cinnie said: I'ma leave you with a re-post of my (white, I know) Jesus facepalm
Cinnie said: I highly doubt that the male or female was plotting on classism when they found happiness within each other. Real love is not exclusive like that. Folks would be better off understanding and welcoming relationships made in love and harmony. Some of you are taking this mess to heart, and blowing it out of proportion. | |
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NastradumasKid said: Cinnie said: Yes. Real love is free from all that fuss. Really? Love can cost you a lot of things if you're not careful, and I'm not just talking about in terms of so-called "Taboo" relationships, like interracial dating/marriage. Well, you broke down my sentence into a fragment to put a spin on it. But I'm not taking this to heart. | |
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WaterInYourBath said: vainandy said: She has a point and is speaking the truth but it's just a shame that it bothers her to see black men with white women. I don't think she can help the way she feels and it's this country's fault for it. But as far as a black woman having a hard time finding a mate, there is a whole world of other men out there besides just black men. A lot of black men aren't limiting themselves to just black women and she doesn't have to limit herself either. I see it this way, if white people are free to date every race under the sun, then why can't black people do the same if they wish to do so? As far as Black women are concerned, it's not that simple. According to surveys and marriage records and what I see in real life, we are the least desirable mates for other races in the US. I mean, it's easy for me to say Jill should drop Black men altogether and date a Caucasian/non-Black dude, but what is not easy is actually finding one that is genuinely attracted to Black women. It's sad, but white/non-Black women are apparently the top choices for men, and that's where the resent comes from.....Black men can get an race they want, but the same cannot be said for Black women, for some strange reason. I've heard that too. I've heard people I know say "I don't think I could date a black women" because either they're too thick or they would have to be "lightskinned" "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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this whole thread....
[Edited 3/28/10 19:02pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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Cinnie said: NastradumasKid said: Really? Love can cost you a lot of things if you're not careful, and I'm not just talking about in terms of so-called "Taboo" relationships, like interracial dating/marriage. Well, you broke down my sentence into a fragment to put a spin on it. But I'm not taking this to heart. Yeah make fun of my bad grammar why do you. It seems like Non-Black folks are getting buttburt about what Scott said. | |
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bboy87 said: WaterInYourBath said: As far as Black women are concerned, it's not that simple. According to surveys and marriage records and what I see in real life, we are the least desirable mates for other races in the US. I mean, it's easy for me to say Jill should drop Black men altogether and date a Caucasian/non-Black dude, but what is not easy is actually finding one that is genuinely attracted to Black women. It's sad, but white/non-Black women are apparently the top choices for men, and that's where the resent comes from.....Black men can get an race they want, but the same cannot be said for Black women, for some strange reason. I've heard that too. I've heard people I know say "I don't think I could date a black women" because either they're too thick or they would have to be "lightskinned" How ignorant. | |
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NastradumasKid said: Cinnie said: Well, you broke down my sentence into a fragment to put a spin on it. But I'm not taking this to heart. Yeah make fun of my bad grammar why do you. It seems like Non-Black folks are getting buttburt about what Scott said. You took a portion out of context and started to run on a tangent with it. | |
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Cinnie said: NastradumasKid said: Yeah make fun of my bad grammar why do you. It seems like Non-Black folks are getting buttburt about what Scott said. You took a portion out of context and started to run on a tangent with it. Whatever, I'm not gonna argue. I'm just not gonna go there with you, ok? | |
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NastradumasKid said: Cinnie said: You took a portion out of context and started to run on a tangent with it. Whatever, I'm not gonna argue. I'm just not gonna go there with you, ok? I'm white and asshurt. | |
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NastradumasKid said: Cinnie said: Well, you broke down my sentence into a fragment to put a spin on it. But I'm not taking this to heart. Yeah make fun of my bad grammar why do you. It seems like Non-Black folks are getting buttburt about what Scott said. | |
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Vendetta1 said: NastradumasKid said: Yeah make fun of my bad grammar why do you. It seems like Non-Black folks are getting buttburt about what Scott said. Who said I was hurting anyone? Of course this is not about hurting non-black folks. Not at all. | |
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Vendetta1 said: NastradumasKid said: Yeah make fun of my bad grammar why do you. It seems like Non-Black folks are getting buttburt about what Scott said. Oh.. *puts Jill Scott cd on eBay* | |
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