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Thread started 03/28/10 1:17pm

VoicesCarry

Jill Scott talks interracial dating

I wonder what she has to say about gay dating.

http://www.essence.com/re...racial.php

Commentary: Jill Scott Talks Interracial Dating
Friday, March 26, 2010 | 12:20 PM

by Jill Scott

You know the moment when you realize that fine, accomplished brother is with a White woman? Let's call it "the wince." Three-time Grammy Award-winning artist, writer, actress, philanthropist, mother and all-around Renaissance woman, Jill Scott gets to the root of our feelings on the matter.

My new friend is handsome, African-American, intelligent and seemingly wealthy. He is an athlete, loves his momma, and is happily married to a White woman. I admit when I saw his wedding ring, I privately hoped. But something in me just knew he didn't marry a sister. Although my guess hit the mark, when my friend told me his wife was indeed Caucasian, I felt my spirit...wince. I didn't immediately understand it. My face read happy for you. My body showed no reaction to my inner pinch, but the sting was there, quiet like a mosquito under a summer dress.

Was I jealous? Did the reality of his relationship somehow diminish his soul's credibility? The answer is not simple. One could easily dispel the wince as racist or separatist, but that's not how I was brought up. I was reared in a Jehovah's Witness household. I was taught that every man should be judged by his deeds and not his color, and I firmly stand where my grandmother left me. African people worldwide are known to be welcoming and open-minded. We share our culture sometimes to our own peril and most of us love the very notion of love. My position is that for women of color, this very common "wince" has solely to do with the African story in America.

When our people were enslaved, "Massa" placed his Caucasian woman on a pedestal. She was spoiled, revered and angelic, while the Black slave woman was overworked, beaten, raped and farmed out like cattle to be mated. She was nothing and neither was our Black man. As slavery died for the greater good of America, and the movement for equality sputtered to life, the White woman was on the cover of every American magazine. She was the dazzling jewel on every movie screen, the glory of every commercial and television show. She was unequivocally the standard of beauty for this country, firmly unattainable to anyone not of her race. We daughters of the dust were seen as ugly, nappy mammies, good for day work and unwanted children, while our men were thought to be thieving, sex-hungry animals with limited brain capacity.

We reflect on this awful past and recall that if a Black man even looked at a White woman, he would have been lynched, beaten, jailed or shot to death. In the midst of this, Black women and Black men struggled together, mourned together, starved together, braved the hoses and vicious police dogs and died untimely on southern back roads together. These harsh truths lead to what we really feel when we see a seemingly together brother with a Caucasian woman and their children. That feeling is betrayed. While we exert efforts to raise our sons and daughters to appreciate themselves and respect others, most of us end up doing this important work alone, with no fathers or like representatives, limited financial support (often court-enforced) and, on top of everything else, an empty bed. It's frustrating and it hurts!

Our minds do understand that people of all races find genuine love in many places. We dig that the world is full of amazing options. But underneath, there is a bite, no matter the ointment, that has yet to stop burning. Some may find these thoughts to be hurtful. That is not my intent. I'm just sayin'.
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Reply #1 posted 03/28/10 1:24pm

IAintTheOne

she sounds like a closet racist to me. I don't care who you are or what color you are or sex or orientation. Love is love and that's it
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Reply #2 posted 03/28/10 1:31pm

NastradumasKid

Already being discussed

http://prince.org/msg/105/333257?&pg=1

Besides I could care less what she thinks. confused
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Reply #3 posted 03/28/10 1:36pm

midiscover

Eh confused

She's still whining about this shit!?! A mess!
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Reply #4 posted 03/28/10 1:37pm

xlr8r

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She single again I suppose lol
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Reply #5 posted 03/28/10 1:50pm

NastradumasKid

xlr8r said:

She single again I suppose lol



I mean as a black person, I can understand where she's getting at, I have two cousins who are married to white women, and an uncle who was once married to a black woman and is currently married to a white woman. I personally don't give a damn, but still, I have noticed that black men who marry outside their race at differently. Anyway, Ms. Scott needs to worry about her music and her child.
lol lol lol lol
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Reply #6 posted 03/28/10 1:52pm

Harlepolis

rolleyes

Ya'll mofos just don't get it.
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Reply #7 posted 03/28/10 1:53pm

Cinnie

Jill Scott presents this piece as if she is revealing the black man's complex, but really it is just her own issues.

VoicesCarry said:

I wonder what she has to say about gay dating.


Sounds like she should probably give it a whirl herself lol
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Reply #8 posted 03/28/10 1:54pm

midiscover

I guess she can't get a man lol

Girl, drop those 200 pounds and you maybe can get that "accomplished brother"
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Reply #9 posted 03/28/10 1:54pm

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Harlepolis said:

rolleyes

Ya'll mofos just don't get it.

lol
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Reply #10 posted 03/28/10 1:57pm

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Cinnie said:

Jill Scott presents this piece as if she is revealing the black man's complex, but really it is just her own issues.

VoicesCarry said:

I wonder what she has to say about gay dating.


Sounds like she should probably give it a whirl herself lol

No she doesn't. She should get a fine-lookin' white man. Flip the script, lol.
"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
"Water can nourish me, but water can also carry me. Water has magic laws." - JCVD
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Reply #11 posted 03/28/10 1:57pm

NastradumasKid

Harlepolis said:

rolleyes

Ya'll mofos just don't get it.



lol What do you mean? I understand what's she's getting at.
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Reply #12 posted 03/28/10 1:59pm

midiscover

Cinnie said:

Jill Scott presents this piece as if she is revealing the black man's complex, but really it is just her own issues.


POW!!! nod
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Reply #13 posted 03/28/10 1:59pm

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There's another thread about it over in the Politics and Religion section so I'll just cut and paste what I wrote over there....

I have a problem with black men dating white women also. Black men need to be dating white men. lol

It used to worry me that some black people have a problem with interracial dating because if the black person that was dating interracially were to follow their advice, then I personally would be denied being able to hook up with whoever I want. But then I thought to myself, hell, I don't put up with white people thinking they are going to dictate who I see and don't give a damn whether they like it or not so why am I worrying whether or not someone black likes it. Nowadays, I have the same attitude towards blacks that don't like it as I have with whites that don't like it...."fuck 'em".
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Reply #14 posted 03/28/10 2:00pm

Moonwalkbjrain

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Harlepolis said:

rolleyes

Ya'll mofos just don't get it.


yea. i feel where she is coming from. it's not something i always necesarily feel myself and deal with myself but its a real issues with real roots. she shouldnt just be disregarded as a closet racist. it's no where near that as she states and it goes alot deeper than that. the line in kanye's song "and when he get on he'll leave your ass for a white girl", well he didnt just say that to be funny. :/
Yesterday is dead...tomorrow hasnt arrived yet....i have just ONE day...
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Reply #15 posted 03/28/10 2:08pm

NastradumasKid

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Harlepolis said:

rolleyes

Ya'll mofos just don't get it.


yea. i feel where she is coming from. it's not something i always necesarily feel myself and deal with myself but its a real issues with real roots. she shouldnt just be disregarded as a closet racist. it's no where near that as she states and it goes alot deeper than that. the line in kanye's song "and when he get on he'll leave your ass for a white girl", well he didnt just say that to be funny. :/



clapping Yeah, I get ya, some people do need to recognize, like on the real.
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Reply #16 posted 03/28/10 2:16pm

Moonwalkbjrain

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NastradumasKid said:

Moonwalkbjrain said:



yea. i feel where she is coming from. it's not something i always necesarily feel myself and deal with myself but its a real issues with real roots. she shouldnt just be disregarded as a closet racist. it's no where near that as she states and it goes alot deeper than that. the line in kanye's song "and when he get on he'll leave your ass for a white girl", well he didnt just say that to be funny. :/



clapping Yeah, I get ya, some people do need to recognize, like on the real.


yea man. and like, i'm looking on the other thread at some of the comments basically dismissing her as a racist and telling her to mind her own and all of that and its just DUDE if you would be open to the fact that she is trying to start a dialogue as to why it is she and others feel this way then maybe it could one day be eradicated. i hate reading an argument that "o well white people say basically the same things" um no they dont. the racist ones actively try to stop their own from dating outside, she doesnt go anywhere near that. further more they are not saddled with a history that puts their opposites on a pedestal to be praised while putting they're own down.

it's really sad that just because this is such a sensitive and tough issue that its being treated so cut and dry.
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Reply #17 posted 03/28/10 2:22pm

NastradumasKid

Moonwalkbjrain said:

NastradumasKid said:




clapping Yeah, I get ya, some people do need to recognize, like on the real.


yea man. and like, i'm looking on the other thread at some of the comments basically dismissing her as a racist and telling her to mind her own and all of that and its just DUDE if you would be open to the fact that she is trying to start a dialogue as to why it is she and others feel this way then maybe it could one day be eradicated. i hate reading an argument that "o well white people say basically the same things" um no they dont. the racist ones actively try to stop their own from dating outside, she doesnt go anywhere near that. further more they are not saddled with a history that puts their opposites on a pedestal to be praised while putting they're own down.

it's really sad that just because this is such a sensitive and tough issue that its being treated so cut and dry.



People need to stop bashing her, like seriously, I mean although I don't entirely care or agree with her, I see where's she's coming from, and its not like she wasn't neccessarily going "White women need to stop taking our black me." Sheesh, some people need a reality check.
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Reply #18 posted 03/28/10 2:24pm

Cinnie

WaterInYourBath said:

Cinnie said:

Sounds like she should probably give it a whirl herself lol

No she doesn't. She should get a fine-lookin' white man. Flip the script, lol.

lol
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Reply #19 posted 03/28/10 2:28pm

WaterInYourBat
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Cinnie said:

WaterInYourBath said:


No she doesn't. She should get a fine-lookin' white man. Flip the script, lol.

lol

thumbs up!
"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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Reply #20 posted 03/28/10 2:28pm

Timmy84

All I'm gonna say about this is:

I don't agree with her but I respect her opinion.

Other than that, I request this to be moved to the politricks and religious zealots forum lol
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Reply #21 posted 03/28/10 2:31pm

trueiopian

She sounds SO pressed and ignorant!

Someone should inform her that it's 2010 NOT the 1965. Seriously. Why is she so offended by interracial relationships? Pressed. She's most likely a closet racist. It seems like she enjoys whining about herself and holding herself down. And why is it always the contrast and comparison between ONLY black and white? confused

Anyways, black women don't own black men LOL!
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Reply #22 posted 03/28/10 2:31pm

Moonwalkbjrain

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NastradumasKid said:

Moonwalkbjrain said:



yea man. and like, i'm looking on the other thread at some of the comments basically dismissing her as a racist and telling her to mind her own and all of that and its just DUDE if you would be open to the fact that she is trying to start a dialogue as to why it is she and others feel this way then maybe it could one day be eradicated. i hate reading an argument that "o well white people say basically the same things" um no they dont. the racist ones actively try to stop their own from dating outside, she doesnt go anywhere near that. further more they are not saddled with a history that puts their opposites on a pedestal to be praised while putting they're own down.

it's really sad that just because this is such a sensitive and tough issue that its being treated so cut and dry.



People need to stop bashing her, like seriously, I mean although I don't entirely care or agree with her, I see where's she's coming from, and its not like she wasn't neccessarily going "White women need to stop taking our black me." Sheesh, some people need a reality check.


Co Sign. If she was one of those women i would feel where people are coming from. Women who express themselves in that way make me sick because its solely placing the blame on the woman without examining the man @ all
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Reply #23 posted 03/28/10 2:32pm

NastradumasKid

trueiopian said:

She sounds SO pressed and ignorant!

Someone should inform her that it's 2010 NOT the 1965. Seriously. Why is she so offended by interracial relationships? Pressed. She's most likely a closet racist. It seems like she enjoys whining about herself and holding herself down. And why is it always the contrast and comparison between ONLY black and white? confused

Anyways, black women don't own black men LOL!



You just don't get it do you? She's not against interracial dating!!! rolleyes
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Reply #24 posted 03/28/10 2:33pm

trueiopian

NastradumasKid said:

trueiopian said:

She sounds SO pressed and ignorant!

Someone should inform her that it's 2010 NOT the 1965. Seriously. Why is she so offended by interracial relationships? Pressed. She's most likely a closet racist. It seems like she enjoys whining about herself and holding herself down. And why is it always the contrast and comparison between ONLY black and white? confused

Anyways, black women don't own black men LOL!



You just don't get it do you? She's not against interracial dating!!! rolleyes


From what I read. It seems like she is.
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Reply #25 posted 03/28/10 2:34pm

NastradumasKid

Moonwalkbjrain said:

NastradumasKid said:




People need to stop bashing her, like seriously, I mean although I don't entirely care or agree with her, I see where's she's coming from, and its not like she wasn't neccessarily going "White women need to stop taking our black me." Sheesh, some people need a reality check.


Co Sign. If she was one of those women i would feel where people are coming from. Women who express themselves in that way make me sick because its solely placing the blame on the woman without examining the man @ all


Super Co-sign on that!!!! thumbs up! Now those kind of people I frown upon.
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Reply #26 posted 03/28/10 2:34pm

midiscover

trueiopian said:

She sounds SO pressed and ignorant!

Someone should inform her that it's 2010 NOT the 1965. Seriously. Why is she so offended by interracial relationships? Pressed. She's most likely a closet racist. It seems like she enjoys whining about herself and holding herself down. And why is it always the contrast and comparison between ONLY black and white? confused

Anyways, black women don't own black men LOL!


Yes, girl she's pressed. She should change her name to iron. lol
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Reply #27 posted 03/28/10 2:36pm

scriptgirl

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Jill needs to shut it, sit down and only open her mouth to SING. Wonder how she feels about black women dating white men?
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Reply #28 posted 03/28/10 2:36pm

NastradumasKid

trueiopian said:

NastradumasKid said:




You just don't get it do you? She's not against interracial dating!!! rolleyes


From what I read. It seems like she is.
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Well, she's not and although I don't entirely agree with her nor do I care, I see what she means. I don't see why anyone understands.
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Reply #29 posted 03/28/10 2:38pm

NastradumasKid

scriptgirl said:

Jill needs to shut it, sit down and only open her mouth to SING. Wonder how she feels about black women dating white men?



Yall need to stop hating on her. lol
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