Soon?! They've been eligible since 2006 @ Motley Crue.

murph said:

I like Nas but even that is pushing it, I can understand LL because he was the FIRST artist to be signed to Def Jam I believe.

Not what you would call "Rock and Roll", but a superb pop group. Dancing Queen is like 1999 or Raspberry Beret. Theres more than the radio play.

ernestsewell said:

I'm sure he knows. He did start both of them, after all.

IAintTheOne said:

It does!

whodknee said:

Thank You my brother! Thank you! Finally, someone with some true common sense around here. All you ABBA lovers here are missing the true point! Which is, I'm not saying they don't deserve to be in there, all I'm saying is they don't deserve to get in before some major true artists who are long over-looked and long overdue. PERIOD! Hmmmm. On 2nd thought, screw them! They don't deserve to be in at all. Ha!

whodknee said:

Excuse both you AND LoDogs, but the international songwriting duo of ABBA's Björn Ulvaeus/Benny Andersson are THE great of all-times, right after The Beatle's John Lennon/Paul McCartney AND The Bee Gees' Berry Gibbs/Robin Gibbs/Maurice Gibbs.

Please quote me! I did go there!!!

And since some of you rock purists want to make this about "rock & roll":













THAT^ is at least 6 rock tracks that ABBA has done in their career. They even did at least 1 (cute) funk track that I know of:



See there, some of you rock purists thought ABBA only did the pop & disco thing. But these tracks are just some examples that the band were already more than that.
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midiscover said:

Hol' up....


you sayin' ABBA deserves to be but Diana Ross didn't?

ernestsewell said:

Is it a strain being right all the time? I think you need a break.

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On topic: Genesis =

My favorite singer is better than yours...

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sleepyq said:

Oh yeah! Well my favourite singer could beat your favourite singer in a fight!!

errant said:

TyphoonTip said:

MY favorite singer isn't as commercial as yours!




also damn U Europ's and you "Favourite"...j/k...

whodknee said:

I love how the only rappers you have on that list are the Beastie Boys...lol

Empress said:

LL Cool J will get in .....In the next few years.....I don't think some of you guys understand that he was the flagship act on Def Jam Records....The Hall folks love voting for acts that were the "first" in their perspective musical genres....And since Def Jam is looked at as the most important hip hop label in history, it only makes sense...

It's funny how people are quick to choose the Beastie Boys, who indeed deserves a nod in the R&R Hall, but gloss over LL like he was some trivia question....He's the reason why Def Jam had its historic '80s run in the first place...
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murph said:

I agree, that LL should get in and will, but i dont think the Beastie's Boys should be in, i almost laughed when i saw them listed. Not that i dislike them or anything, i think they are great, but they need to wait like others have waited, i mean if it took Queen and John Mellencamp a few tries to get in while Percy Sledge got in first try, I have little faith in that voting system. If the Beasties are in hall of fame talks while Hall and Oates and Chicago have never been on the ballot, are we really serious about this?

lastdecember said:

Hall & Oates should indeed be in.....

Chicago?....I think their somewhat cheesy MOR '80s era kind of makes it hard for them to make it in.....It's easy to forget they were were a groundbreaking band in the early '70s....That's not the image most folks have of Chicago...It's the "Hard Habit To Break" Chicago that comes to mind....

murph said:

Well i think that is what price Hall and Oates is paying too, i think the HALL is very unfair to the 80's. Which is why anyone holding out for bands like Duran or Depeche or even the Cure, better get used to holding out. I think will even be a long hard fight for Motley and Jovi, though i do think both should be in, i dont think both will get in, i think Jovi has a better shot because Jon is respected by alot of members of the hall now. But bands like, Chicago and even Heart who should be on their 70's merit almost are punished for continuing with their careers. I think if the Rolling Stones hadnt been the "bad boy" Beatles in the 60's they would have had trouble getting in based on their dreadful albums in the 80's. But Chicago and Heart didnt have bad music, they just got into that whole ballad era stuff, and the funny thing is that bands that also fell in like Journey, Genesis and Styx, they all started out as bands that would be in with no questions asked, but "ballads" got them in trouble, and Genesis going in now, years and years after they should have is telling.

As for Hall and Oates, probably the same price they are paying, but forgotten is the fact that they are the most successful Duo of all time, regardless of anything that to me puts them in, i mean arent fucking Jan and Dean in?? gimme a break already with this hall of fame.

TonyVanDam said:

You sure showed me.

TonyVanDam said:

ABBA is a great band, but the stigma of the whole"era" of disco and things like that, and the outfits always have people looking down on them. As far as crafting pop songs, Benny and Bjorn are two of the best and YES that is the right order to put them in, to me they do rank behind Lennon/McCartney and the Gibbs, and to be honest, you can almost say that Lennon and McCartney werent a real writing team for most of their careers. This is when pop was pop and it was a craft not a LOOP button press. Add to this list Manilow and Neil Diamond (how he's not in Im clueless to that) as far as great Pop Songwriters of lyrics and music

lastdecember said:

Well, a lot of the groups you named shouldn't get in in the first place...lol...Styx was a joke even when they were selling out arenas...And let's be real...I dug some of Journey's more guitar driven earlier stuff...And some of their bigger hits proved to be infectious...But the truth is Steve Perry 's voice was the best thing about that group during their superstar era...So they def. won't get in....Motley Cru?....Nah...I like a few of their joints, but there are other metal acts way more deserving, starting with Judas Priest....

Oh, and trust me the Cure and Depeche Mode will definitely get in...They were both critical darlings (most important factor with the Hall) who proved to be very influential in their perspective genres...They will get in....

And Bon Jovi will get in ONLY because of their longevity and Jon's current standing in the Hall (as you said...great point)....Which brings us back to Hall & Oats....I'm kind of shocked that an act who inducted the Temptations are not in the Hall...I still think they will get in...But it will probably be in the next two years....

Most of the people deciding who does and doesn't get into this thing are people who came of age in the 60s. In other words it's really the Hall Of Dad Rock. Specifically, Hipster Dad Rock. Dads with "Deadhead" stickers on their Cadillacs.

As far as I can tell, the only criteria are: 1. Did this music mean anything to me personally, and 2. Is this person famous enough that lots of people will tune into a TV program featuring them?

Considering most of those people were already in their late twenties/ early thirties when Kiss and Alice Cooper came around, it's not surprising that they have no friends there. In the mid-70s, that was goofy teenager music while those guys were already listening to smart music like the Beatles, or seedy, dangerous music like the Stooges. So it's OK to like music that appealed to goofy teenagers when THOSE GUYS were teenagers (Dave Clark 5 are in), but not music that appealed to teenagers when those guys had already grown up (Grand Funk and Frampton are still waiting for the phone call).

Once in a while someone gets a "cool" pass, where even the people too old to appreciate their music at the time knew that it would be considered cool to like them. That's why Grandmaster Flash is in... in 1981 you had to show you were no square, you knew about this new kind of music coming up from the streets. Having demonstrated that, it was perfectly OK to tune out hip-hop completely after that. That's also why Dad Rockers can relate to REM more than Kiss, or LL Cool J. REM reminds them of the Byrds, which is comfortable and familiar, and it was also very cool to be into them when they were first coming up from the underground.

It used to be uncool to like Abba, until a few cool people came up to defend them, and then all of a sudden it was cool to go against the grain and say "Hey, I also like Abba, even though it's not cool." It's hip to be square. Maybe Hall and Oates will come back around in a couple years, I think the jury still declares them "uncool", but not so uncool that it's transgressive - and therefore cool - to like them.

But any idea that the selection is merit-based or there's any justice to be found is ridiculous. You're not going to see the mindset change until enough of those people die that you can replace them. One day the Hall Of Fame will be chosen by a panel of bloggers, the only people still writing about music after all the major magazines have shut down. And then good luck reaching any kind of consensus on anything!