MyLuv229 said:[quote]

BabyBeMine said:

Many people would never give everything to their family the way Michael did. No one would put up witrh a family like that. Yet Michael continuously made them favours, continuously provided for his jobless, broke, sex addicted, abusive, deadbeat family. He always gave his family everything. Many people would be like: "I can't give you millions every month. I can't put up with your extortionist and leeching ways anymore. You gotta get a job and values.".

No one would give his/her family everything the way Michael did. It's not just the millions he gave his lazy family who never worked in order to earn a life chosing instead to leech off of him. He also bailed his family out on a weekly basis, he made them favours constantly.

Going to the trial was a duty because the family owed Michael EVERYTHING. A
At least, this time, the roles were inverted: it was the family making a favour, for once. Yet, the Jacksons still found time to extort Michael. In fact, Michael's problem was that he gave too much to his family, he did way too many favours. Many people would tell their families to go get a job. Yet, Michael prefered to continue giving them everything.

So, why are you complaining about the trial? For once, for a change, it was the family giving something to Michael, it was the family making Michael a favour.

You claim he wanted nothing to do with his family, yet he paid them everything (everything from his siblings' children studies, child support). He saw them just occasionaly and you know damn well why.

So, why are you complaining? Few people would put up with those guys.The family owes Michael A LOT so going to the trial was nothing compared to what they owe him.
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Can anyone guess what year this might be? I'm thinking 90s?

I kind of like him in pajamas

NastradumasKid said:

That's not an excuse to exploit children while telling them that you just want them because of the money they earn. That's not an excuse to treat your children like dogs. That's not an excuse to show your children zero affection and abuse them.
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Some funny TV episodes of Michael back in the day

Martin Lawrence show



Jamie Foxx

Timmy84 said:

Who you talkin bout Timmy?

MOL said:

I never implied it was an excuse, and no I'm not defending his actions whatsoever. But, you need to understand, many black families use to beat their children because that was normal back then, but now it's considered abuse. Yes, what Joe did to kids was wrong, but at the end of the day he was still their father and on top of that, in his own way, he did love his son. BTW, are you black?

PYTDee said:

I agree. The melody to the original demo of PYT was used in both Someone Put Your Hand Out and Joy, which were both intended for Dangerous

NaughtyKitty said:

NaughtyKitty? nice username.

PYTDee said:

Some fans do. There's alot of songs out there that collectors have from the Bad, Dangerous, and Invincible sessions

ViintageJunkiie said:

Those Thriller demos that leaked in October....

people were pissed that they were leaked because some had paid around $5,000 for them

NastradumasKid said:

Thanks, so is yours

bboy87 said:

What fools!!!!!

NaughtyKitty said:

You're welcome and thanks!!!!! Shamone!!!!!

BabyBeMine said:

bboy87 said:

They paid that much for those! Man I downloaded those for free, and I've included those as freebies in my Ebay auctions

bboy87 said:

Good one bboy!!!!! BabyBeMine needs to GTFO of here with that shit. But Marlon had his own damn money.
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Evil ways? WTF?

Militant said:

LOL

I really want to know those evil ways

murph said:

I'll tell you something, I generally don't like journalists period, they are more trouble than they are worth I know the fame game is played with them but look how much trouble they cause for everyone with their nosiness, their phoniness and their plain lust for ratings/money/fame. Us Indians usually don't trust outsiders as a rule but in my case, I've actually had family members appear in Oscar nominated documentaries which exploited them, I just grew up not trusting the fuckers. How they can con people and swwetalk them into all kinds of headaches is beyond me. Just look at Ricky Martin and Barbara Walters, she semi-proudly claims to have hurt his career by asking if he was gay and says she shouldn't have asked when she knows she's a nosy bitch. So, no hatred isn't too strong a word for these kinds of people, I think they are the lowest of the low. There should be a special place in hell for them.

seeingvoices12 said:

We ain't gonna find out.

I'll say this about the Oprah interview, the situation with Michael's dependencies and then I'm going back to talking about the music and the man....


I feel with everything that has been said in the past 9 months since his passing, my conclusions are that Michael Joesph Jackson, although with his flaws, was a good man. If you REALLY look into the story of his life, from the people who knew him, the good far outweighs the bad. Nothing godlike about him, but nothing evil about him either

One thing that frustates me when talking about these latest issues (whether Michael was an addict, his relationship with his family, the career decisions he made these past 15 years) is that instead of using that to try to understand him and what led up to those situations, people use that to degrade him (not saying people in this thread are doing that, well some of ya'll are ) and judge him, and that's not the way to go. We don't know the struggles, health issues, the pressure, and other things the man had to go through in his life

Instead of judging him, it seems to me that with everything Michael had went through, he was simply trying to LIVE and he was trying to get his life back together for himself, his children, and the people (family, friends, and even fans) who cared and loved him. He wanted to come back. He wanted to be happy, and that's we all want, right?

One thing I've learned in life and also as a fan of Michael, James Brown, and Sammy Davis Jr, is not to judge and their struggles aren't the only thing about them. I don't dwell on the tabloid crap, I don't really talk about the allegations/ trials because that's not why I respect and admire Michael. That's not why I love his work, and that's not why I cried non-stop on June 25th like I lost my best friend

but at the same time, I'm not cool with the lack of knowledge about the kind of person he was and the misrepresentations surrounding his death because people use that against those who can't defend themselves anymore


So for me, I'm gonna wait to hear the truth BUT that doesn't change how I see the man and it's not going to be his whole story

bboy87 said:

The smartest thing ever said on this thread?

WaterInYourBath said:

I don't think mJ was a hardcore addict, however the main fact that he had to use propofol to sleep means he must have built up tolerance to conventional sleeping medication that they didn't work for him anymore. He obviously had a dependency on certain drugs, probably, at more times than others.

The fact there was medication in the names of other people in itself shows he had a problem along the line.

And isn't drug addiction similar to alcoholism, once an alcoholic always an alcoholic even if you haven't had a drink for ten years.
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NastradumasKid said:

No, he didn't. He filled for bankrupcy twice!

bboy87 said:

I believe what's happening is that people are trying to find closure in his death. Here's a man who was ready to come back on a major tour, and suddenly he is gone. This is very tramatizing. I would also like to say that we live in a society that judge you based on your past, and the judicial system proves that. This is why I agreed with MOL that Murray can get off light, based on his past addiction. I just wished that MJ was surrounded by people who had his best interest at heart, but unfortunately he wasn't. The best thing the world can do for MJ is appreciate the beautiful music he gave us, and his generous spirit.

MOL said:

Okay... but unlike his brothers, he has his own life.

angel345 said:

And he chose to be around those people, "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."

NastradumasKid said:

Was that a comment or a question?

NastradumasKid said:

True saying