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PrintableJust wanted to "Hello" to everyone here in this thread. I see some new people here since i've posted. I've not been online in awhile. It is good to see the MJ thread/sticky still around.
I need to catch up here. 
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I think what it comes down to is MJ fans only want positive things said about MJ or else the person is a hater or has something against MJ. It can be the most simple things.
If Janet said all the positive and right things you would be like Janet is so sweet and honest, but because what she said you didn't like now she is all about attention blah blah blah. Janet saying she lost her brother around the Thriller era. Why would she lie about that? We are talking about a dude that had his own family have to set appointments just to see him. I bet he did that to his own mother as well.Does Katherine have a appoinment? Dude was obsessed with music sales after Thriller and got big headed and start thinking he was all that and felt he was to good for his familly. Funny how he needed them to get in there cars and drive all the way out to Santa Maria in 2005 which they didnt have to do. Janet is right, MJ was addicted and YES you can be addicted to Propofol because you feel it's the only thing that can put you to sleep which is a very unatural way to sleep. That's a addiction relying on something that knocks you out just to sleep. I will beet you that MJ never gave anything else a chance that's natural to get sleep and simply wanted that MILK as he refered to Propofol which is a addiction. He badly wants it and felt i can't sleep unless i get this. That's ADDICTION | |
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MyMyMy said:[quote] whatsgoingon said: Thanks. And you seem to understand the point of my post. I don't know about Elvis, though.  Well I can only speak about the '80s and beyond. Yeah, people have heard of the name but I never heard any of his songs growing up. Only the one done by UB40. lol.
So funny about scoffing about Dolly Parton/Madonna and all that. La Isla Bonita was a huge song when I was a little kid. The Calisthenics club at my school performed to it for one of our school functions. Country music was very popular in Africa but particularly in the late 70s/early 80s. Even up till now, my dad has all these CDs with all these random dude in cowboy hats on the cover. seeingvoices12 said: Madonna? Abba? Dolly parton? kenny rogers? The fact that you listed those artists proved that you didn't understand the point of my post, Re-read my post. Bob marley yeah , but not on large scale like MJ. I read your post and I'm saying that you can give Michael all the props he deserves without adding little falsehoods. You scoff at those artists but do you know the impact they had on the African music scene? No. Those artists were widely popular in Africa once upon a time. And Bob Marley on a very large scale when it came to Africa. You know how many people got dreaded up and spoke in Jamaican patois because of him? [Edited 4/3/10 7:25am] Again, you didn't understand what I posted , Some of those artists were popular but again, On a limited scale, you’ve got to be kidding me if you think the artists you listed were huge In Egypt or Tunisia for example which are parts of Africa ….they didn’t know a heck about the artists you mentioned, Kenny Rogers , Madonna , the Abba or even the great James brown…
What I meant that MJ was the most influential of all , maybe you don’t like what I’m saying but I think you need to deal with it, Michael was the only who reached everywhere and I do mean Everywhere, I have never met anyone who doesn’t know him, and even tho they don’t understand what he is singing they still know who he was. Plus, none of the artists you mentioned were popular or known in the middle east, Only MJ was. MICHAEL JACKSON
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I'm sure everyone is already bored with this back and forth.
Again, I've not disagreed with you on the point that Michael was the biggest star in the world. It's the comment about him being the only Western star known that's completely wrong. Those artists I mentioned were very popular in the parts of Africa I lived in. Perhaps others were popular in other parts. Michael was far more far reaching than many others and I don't disagree with that, nor would I have a problem with that idea. Someone else claimed on another version of this thread that Michael wasn't popular in Africa and I disagreed with him. So that's not the point of the post. I'm simply correcting you on the comment that he was the only Western artist known. Anyway, moving on. | |
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mozfonky said: that oprah interview was bullshit, she needs to hurry up and quit. It's a sick business where someone is asking about something as morbid as death and then "let's talk about the movie" all cheerful, bizarre man. Anyway, like Paul Mooney always says, "fuck that fat skinny bitch".
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BabyBeMine said: I think what it comes down to is MJ fans only want positive things said about MJ or else the person is a hater or has something against MJ. It can be the most simple things.
If Janet said all the positive and right things you would be like Janet is so sweet and honest, but because what she said you didn't like now she is all about attention blah blah blah. Janet saying she lost her brother around the Thriller era. Why would she lie about that? We are talking about a dude that had his own family have to set appointments just to see him. I bet he did that to his own mother as well.Does Katherine have a appoinment? Dude was obsessed with music sales after Thriller and got big headed and start thinking he was all that and felt he was to good for his familly. Funny how he needed them to get in there cars and drive all the way out to Santa Maria in 2005 which they didnt have to do. Janet is right, MJ was addicted and YES you can be addicted to Propofol because you feel it's the only thing that can put you to sleep which is a very unatural way to sleep. That's a addiction relying on something that knocks you out just to sleep. I will beet you that MJ never gave anything else a chance that's natural to get sleep and simply wanted that MILK as he refered to Propofol which is a addiction. He badly wants it and felt i can't sleep unless i get this. That's ADDICTION No, Baby. You're wrong. I'll be the first one to say Michael was weird, childlish, immature and victimized himself way too much. And I'm not a hater, I'm a fan. It's called being reasonable, Baby. Just because one is a fan, doesn't mean one is completely blind. But there are the two sides of reasonability: just liken I am capable of criticizing him, I'm also capable of defending him. It has something to do with being fair. Are you that innocent about Jermaine, Joe and Randy? Are you? Joe and the brothers were constantly manking Michael's life a living hell. Hounding him for reunion tours, favors, money. So, let's criticize the guy when it is needed. But let's give him the benefit of the doubt when it's fair. That argument about Michael not caring about his family is purely ridiculous. He was their only source of income. He would give a big, fat monthly allowance to his jobless, lazy family. And let's not even talk about the favors. And the fact that even in his darkest hour all some family members thought was his money, and how to use him to make money, and how to pressure him, and hound him, and harass him. Joe and the brothers are everything but victims, here. Katherine isn't also a saint. Let's put it like this: would you let your 5 years old kid be exploited by your husband? Would you? The family needed Michael. Not the contrary. In fact, one of Michael's problems was that he helped his family WAY TOO MUCH. Still, the man had his defects but don't even try to victimize the Jackson bunch, because they are NO victims. Actually, when it comes to the family, it's exactly the contrary. And that it very well documented. ----- Is it possible to become addicted to Propofol? Yes, although it is VERY hard. Is it possible to become addicted to Propofol when combined with related anesthetics? Yes, but it is VERY, VERY hard. Besides, a person addicted to Propofol isn't able to even get out of bed, to move, to walk. Propofol addiction is very serious and incapacitates you to the point where you aren't even able to move. Well, how do I know MJ wasn't addicted to Propofol? Because there are over 100 hours of taped rehearsels. If he was addicted to Propofol, he would never, ever be able to rehearse that way. I'll repeat: Michael was childish, immature, dumb/naive (!), alienated and crazy. He had defects. But your post is utterly wrong. He had defects, but not the ones you have pointed out. Oh, and give up the "you're an worshipper" B.S.. Try having a serious conversation. [Edited 4/3/10 11:09am] | |
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Michael Jackson Held Hands With Wesley Snipes During 'Bad' Video Shoot
April 2nd, 2010 8:30am EDT 6 comments Add to My News | More Michael Jackson was so scared as he shot his "Bad" video in Harlem, New York, he held hands with co-star Wesley Snipes. The actor played a gang leader in the 16-minute music video, which was shot in 1987, and he recalls the King Of Pop was terrified of the rough neighbourhood - and so enlisted Snipes to help him feel safe. The actor tells America's GQ magazine, "I think Michael was a little scared being in Harlem. We were holding hands walking down the street. I was like, 'Hang in there, Michael. Don't worry about it, brother - I got you.' I went from being the actor in the scene with him to bodyguarding him. The people were calling out his name - some favorably, some not so favorably. Some were happy that Michael was in the hood; some were like, 'Yo, Mike, get the f**k out of the hood. We're not feeling you, man. F**king Michael Jackson.' "(They were) yelling it across the street. And he's hearing this. They felt detached from Michael. They felt as though Michael had moved (on) from the black community. He turned to me, and he says, 'Are you scared?' I was like, 'What? Scared of what?' 'You know, the people and everything. Aren't you scared of them?' I was like, 'Nah, Mike. I grew up here. This is all good. Are you scared?' He was like, 'Yeah, a little.'" http://www.starpulse.com/...ith_wesley MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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BabyBeMine said: I think what it comes down to is MJ fans only want positive things said about MJ or else the person is a hater or has something against MJ. It can be the most simple things.
If Janet said all the positive and right things you would be like Janet is so sweet and honest, but because what she said you didn't like now she is all about attention blah blah blah. Janet saying she lost her brother around the Thriller era. Why would she lie about that? We are talking about a dude that had his own family have to set appointments just to see him. I bet he did that to his own mother as well.Does Katherine have a appoinment? Dude was obsessed with music sales after Thriller and got big headed and start thinking he was all that and felt he was to good for his familly. Funny how he needed them to get in there cars and drive all the way out to Santa Maria in 2005 which they didnt have to do. Janet is right, MJ was addicted and YES you can be addicted to Propofol because you feel it's the only thing that can put you to sleep which is a very unatural way to sleep. That's a addiction relying on something that knocks you out just to sleep. I will beet you that MJ never gave anything else a chance that's natural to get sleep and simply wanted that MILK as he refered to Propofol which is a addiction. He badly wants it and felt i can't sleep unless i get this. That's ADDICTION  Very well said!MJ L.O.V.E: https://www.facebook.com/...689&type=2 / YOUTUBE: http://www.youtube.com/us...nderSilent | |
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BabyBeMine said: I think what it comes down to is MJ fans only want positive things said about MJ or else the person is a hater or has something against MJ. It can be the most simple things.
If Janet said all the positive and right things you would be like Janet is so sweet and honest, but because what she said you didn't like now she is all about attention blah blah blah. Janet saying she lost her brother around the Thriller era. Why would she lie about that? We are talking about a dude that had his own family have to set appointments just to see him. I bet he did that to his own mother as well.Does Katherine have a appoinment? Dude was obsessed with music sales after Thriller and got big headed and start thinking he was all that and felt he was to good for his familly. Funny how he needed them to get in there cars and drive all the way out to Santa Maria in 2005 which they didnt have to do. Janet is right, MJ was addicted and YES you can be addicted to Propofol because you feel it's the only thing that can put you to sleep which is a very unatural way to sleep. That's a addiction relying on something that knocks you out just to sleep. I will beet you that MJ never gave anything else a chance that's natural to get sleep and simply wanted that MILK as he refered to Propofol which is a addiction. He badly wants it and felt i can't sleep unless i get this. That's ADDICTION I don't think anyone here hates Janet for what she says. All they said was that her statement makes it seem that his death was in direct result of drug addiction, when in fact, it was medical negligence. Everyone here admitted that Michael had a problem. I don't think anyone here didn't. I believe the reference to Janet's comment ws that the public will dismiss the context and just believe that he died a junkie. I agree that he was chsing after propofol, but everything you said before that seemed ridiculous. You're trying to portray yourself as reasonable and logical, but you do the opposite. You're creating assumptions and I think most MJ fans are patient and will wait around for evidence (such as court transcripts, autopsy report, etc.) because they're only concerned with facts. Unlike you, who's only concerned with assumptions since you refuse to look at the information. Also, there are numerous fans who are fully able to criticize him and defend him. It's called being rational. [Edited 4/3/10 11:16am] "If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson | |
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NaughtyKitty said: BabyBeMine said: I think what it comes down to is MJ fans only want positive things said about MJ or else the person is a hater or has something against MJ. It can be the most simple things.
If Janet said all the positive and right things you would be like Janet is so sweet and honest, but because what she said you didn't like now she is all about attention blah blah blah. Janet saying she lost her brother around the Thriller era. Why would she lie about that? We are talking about a dude that had his own family have to set appointments just to see him. I bet he did that to his own mother as well.Does Katherine have a appoinment? Dude was obsessed with music sales after Thriller and got big headed and start thinking he was all that and felt he was to good for his familly. Funny how he needed them to get in there cars and drive all the way out to Santa Maria in 2005 which they didnt have to do. Janet is right, MJ was addicted and YES you can be addicted to Propofol because you feel it's the only thing that can put you to sleep which is a very unatural way to sleep. That's a addiction relying on something that knocks you out just to sleep. I will beet you that MJ never gave anything else a chance that's natural to get sleep and simply wanted that MILK as he refered to Propofol which is a addiction. He badly wants it and felt i can't sleep unless i get this. That's ADDICTION Very well said!Try, with an open mind, and forgetting the "you're an worshipper" B.S., reading the answer to Baby's post. | |
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BabyBeMine said: I think what it comes down to is MJ fans only want positive things said about MJ or else the person is a hater or has something against MJ. It can be the most simple things.
If Janet said all the positive and right things you would be like Janet is so sweet and honest, but because what she said you didn't like now she is all about attention blah blah blah. Janet saying she lost her brother around the Thriller era. Why would she lie about that? We are talking about a dude that had his own family have to set appointments just to see him. I bet he did that to his own mother as well.Does Katherine have a appoinment? Dude was obsessed with music sales after Thriller and got big headed and start thinking he was all that and felt he was to good for his familly. Funny how he needed them to get in there cars and drive all the way out to Santa Maria in 2005 which they didnt have to do. Janet is right, MJ was addicted and YES you can be addicted to Propofol because you feel it's the only thing that can put you to sleep which is a very unatural way to sleep. That's a addiction relying on something that knocks you out just to sleep. I will beet you that MJ never gave anything else a chance that's natural to get sleep and simply wanted that MILK as he refered to Propofol which is a addiction. He badly wants it and felt i can't sleep unless i get this. That's ADDICTION It's also funny how majority of them needed him to get those cars for them in the first place.  "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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WaterInYourBath said: BabyBeMine said: I think what it comes down to is MJ fans only want positive things said about MJ or else the person is a hater or has something against MJ. It can be the most simple things.
If Janet said all the positive and right things you would be like Janet is so sweet and honest, but because what she said you didn't like now she is all about attention blah blah blah. Janet saying she lost her brother around the Thriller era. Why would she lie about that? We are talking about a dude that had his own family have to set appointments just to see him. I bet he did that to his own mother as well.Does Katherine have a appoinment? Dude was obsessed with music sales after Thriller and got big headed and start thinking he was all that and felt he was to good for his familly. Funny how he needed them to get in there cars and drive all the way out to Santa Maria in 2005 which they didnt have to do. Janet is right, MJ was addicted and YES you can be addicted to Propofol because you feel it's the only thing that can put you to sleep which is a very unatural way to sleep. That's a addiction relying on something that knocks you out just to sleep. I will beet you that MJ never gave anything else a chance that's natural to get sleep and simply wanted that MILK as he refered to Propofol which is a addiction. He badly wants it and felt i can't sleep unless i get this. That's ADDICTION It's also funny how majority of them needed him to get those cars for them in the first place. It's funny how most of them needed him to pay their child support. It's funny how most of them needed him to pay abortions. It's funny how most of them needed him to pay lawyers. It's funny how most of them needed him to put food on their tables. It's funny how most of them needed him for EVERYTHING. Litterally everything. But the funniest part is that they always had some scheme going on. They were always ready to leech off of him, to use him. They would always hound him, pressure him or, even worse (though it happened) extort him. One example out of dozens: we all know what Randy did to Michael in 2005. Or what Joe did to Michael recently. It's hard to love your family knowing that it's impossible to be with them due to their motives, and insatiable greed for something you have. C'mon: Joe's, Jermaine's and Randy's schemes to leech off of Michael were/are despicable. To some family members, Michael was nothing but money/an object they could use and abuse. Michael had defects. But not the ones Baby pointed out. To the guys who are ready to call me a worshipper, blah blah blah, I repeat: Michael had defects, flaws. But when it comes to the family, the only thing Michael did wrong was giving them WAY TOO MUCH, doing them WAY TOO many favours. [Edited 4/3/10 11:28am] [Edited 4/3/10 11:34am] | |
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WaterInYourBath said: BabyBeMine said: Dude was obsessed with music sales after Thriller and got big headed and start thinking he was all that and felt he was to good for his familly. Funny how he needed them to get in there cars and drive all the way out to Santa Maria in 2005 which they didnt have to do.
It's also funny how majority of them needed him to get those cars for them in the first place. That IS funny! Now I bet this person will come back and say how MJ fans gang up on people who are "just giving their opinion"  [Edited 4/3/10 11:32am] "If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can be dealt with" - Michael Jackson | |
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MOL said: WaterInYourBath said: It's also funny how majority of them needed him to get those cars for them in the first place. It's funny how moist of them needed him to pay their child support. It's funny how most of them needed him to pay abortions. It's funny how most of them needed him to pay lawyers. It's funny how most of them needed him to put food in their tables. It's funny how most of them needed him for EVERYTHING. Litterally everything. But the funniest part is that they always had some scheme going on. They always had to houd him, pressure him or, even worse (thought it happened) extort him. C'mon: Joe's, Jermaine's and Randy's schemes to leech off of Michael were/are despicable. To some family members, Michael was nothing but money/an object they could use and abuse. Michael had defects. But not the ones Baby pointed out. To the guys who are ready to call me a worshipper, blah blah blah, I repeat: Michael had defects, flaws. Indeed. So trying to throw what his siblings did for him is nothing compared to what he did for them.  Talk about losing Mike after Thriller.....Then why did he do the Victory album and tour? He was all about "family" until they drove him away with greed and stupid decisions."You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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WaterInYourBath said: MOL said: It's funny how moist of them needed him to pay their child support. It's funny how most of them needed him to pay abortions. It's funny how most of them needed him to pay lawyers. It's funny how most of them needed him to put food in their tables. It's funny how most of them needed him for EVERYTHING. Litterally everything. But the funniest part is that they always had some scheme going on. They always had to houd him, pressure him or, even worse (thought it happened) extort him. C'mon: Joe's, Jermaine's and Randy's schemes to leech off of Michael were/are despicable. To some family members, Michael was nothing but money/an object they could use and abuse. Michael had defects. But not the ones Baby pointed out. To the guys who are ready to call me a worshipper, blah blah blah, I repeat: Michael had defects, flaws. Indeed. So trying to throw what his siblings did for him is nothing compared to what he did for them. Talk about losing Mike after Thriller.....Then why did he do the Victory album and tour? He was all about "family" until they drove him away with greed and stupid decisions.Exactly. Most fans and non-fans don't know half, so when we speak about the family they claim we are crazy and that the family is not dysfunctional, it's amazing and that they were a very positive influence on Michael. But it is fair, oh very fair, to claim some members of that family are monsters. Again, most people don't know half of what that damn "family" is capable of doing. Don't know some stories. Don't know those guys' characters. They drove Michael away with their obsessive greed. Not the contrary. It got to the point that he had to run away/hide from Joe, for example. It got to the point where he had to pay his brothers' panties because they were too busy being sex addicts, jobless, penniless, deadbeats, abusers, extortionists. Again: Michael his flaws, his defects. But let's be realistic. [Edited 4/3/10 11:49am] [Edited 4/3/10 11:51am] | |
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WaterInYourBath said: angel345 said: Then i am wondering why was that interview aired? They had to know at some point that propofol is not addictive. How can you run a story without checking the facts? Either someone knows the real cause of death or he's still breathing. Yeah, Oprah was slacking. Wendy Williams would have done a better interview than that. Oprah seemingly HAS NOT read the autopsy report, and Janet most likely hasn't either. And maybe it's possible that trying to classify what is considered an addiction is the issue. Only a doctor can determine that. | |
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MyLuv229 said: WaterInYourBath said: It's also funny how majority of them needed him to get those cars for them in the first place. That IS funny! Now I bet this person will come back and say how MJ fans gang up on people who are "just giving their opinion"
No, I'm not ganging up on BabyBeMine, lol, and I'm sorry if it seems that way. She/he has a right to have an opinion, but an insulting one like that is just not necessary. Except for maybe his mother, Michael didn't "need" them to be at that trial, and that's a sad example to use to try to prove a point. I understand both perspectives regarding the family, but especially Michael's. When you're the most successful star, and have that many siblings to worry about, it's difficult, and sooner or later, when you're not being appreciated/listened to, you get tired and just want to be left alone..... "You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee
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OK, the hell... is this 2008? I feel like I've seen these folks before. Deja vu perhaps? | |
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Watching all this drug talk from the family is just odd because you would never see another high profile family bring up that negative stuff up when it came to their loved one. | |
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angel345 said: WaterInYourBath said: Yeah, Oprah was slacking. Wendy Williams would have done a better interview than that. Oprah seemingly HAS NOT read the autopsy report, and Janet most likely hasn't either. And maybe it's possible that trying to classify what is considered an addiction is the issue. Only a doctor can determine that. I couldn't help but agree with someone here if he was addicted, he would'nt be able to do "This Is It", based on his rehearsals. | |
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BabyBeMine said: I think what it comes down to is MJ fans only want positive things said about MJ or else the person is a hater or has something against MJ. It can be the most simple things.
If Janet said all the positive and right things you would be like Janet is so sweet and honest, but because what she said you didn't like now she is all about attention blah blah blah. Janet saying she lost her brother around the Thriller era. Why would she lie about that? We are talking about a dude that had his own family have to set appointments just to see him. I bet he did that to his own mother as well.Does Katherine have a appoinment? Dude was obsessed with music sales after Thriller and got big headed and start thinking he was all that and felt he was to good for his familly. Funny how he needed them to get in there cars and drive all the way out to Santa Maria in 2005 which they didnt have to do. Janet is right, MJ was addicted and YES you can be addicted to Propofol because you feel it's the only thing that can put you to sleep which is a very unatural way to sleep. That's a addiction relying on something that knocks you out just to sleep. I will beet you that MJ never gave anything else a chance that's natural to get sleep and simply wanted that MILK as he refered to Propofol which is a addiction. He badly wants it and felt i can't sleep unless i get this. That's ADDICTION I don't think all the fans are blinding themselves or just trying to accept only the positive things about MJ..I think some are just simply trying to not pass judgment on Mike, since all these reports about the man are so contradicting. While some family members are saying he had addiction problems..you have others who were closer to him during his later years saying he didn't. A lot of fans are having a hard time believing his brothers or sisters since, it's well known that they weren't close to him during his later years. After the Victory tour,,Michael made it perfectly clear, he was ready to do things on his own..something I feel didn't reach well with some of his brothers. I think the constant pressure to reunite with them, caused him to be distant and let's not forget the drama he had with 4 members of his family (Joe, Latoya, Jermaine and Randy)... Janet even said they'd gone years without seeing or talking to him. But it seems like he remained close to his mother. She tagged a long with him during his later trips. Shoot, it seem like he was even closer to some cousins than his siblings..He kept in contact with them more. And about the appointments... I know better not to go to a family member's house without contacting or letting them know first...I really don't see a difference here. All these reports are so contradicting that it's hard to sort what is truth or not...So instead of calling him an addict or junkie', I'm not gonna pass judgment, since I (like all of us) really don't know the man …I personally think the ones that prolly really did were his children. Since his passing, we’ve gotten a bunch of accounts on the man and not one has yet disputed how great of a father he was. And seeing his children is a reflection of his parenting..that alone shows me that Michael wasn't this stone cold addict, the media is trying to portray. [Edited 4/3/10 12:34pm] | |
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PYTDee said: I don't think all the fans are blinding themselves or just trying to accept only the positive things about MJ..I think some are just simply trying to not pass judgment on Mike, since all these reports about the man are so contradicting. While some family members are saying he had addiction problems..you have others who were closer to him during his later years saying he didn't. A lot of fans are having a hard time believing his brothers or sisters since, it's well known that they weren't close to him during his later years. After the Victory tour,,Michael made it perfectly clear, he was ready to do things on his own..something I feel didn't reach well with some of his brothers. I think the constant pressure to reunite with them, caused him to be distant and let's not forget the drama he had with 4 members of his family (Joe, Latoya, Jermaine and Randy)... Janet even said they'd gone years without seeing or talking to him. But it seems like he remained close to his mother. She tagged a long with him during his later trips. Shoot, it seem like he was even closer to some cousins than his siblings..He kept in contact with them more. And about the appointments... I know better not to go to a family member's house without contacting or letting them know first...I really don't see a difference here. All these reports are so contradicting that it's hard to sort what is truth or not...So instead of calling him an addict or junkie', I'm not gonna pass judgment, since I (like all of us) really don't know the man …I personally think the ones that prolly really did were his children. Since his passing, we’ve gotten a bunch of accounts on the man and not one has yet disputed how great of a father he was. And seeing his children is a reflection of his parenting..that alone shows me that Michael wasn't this stone cold addict, the media is trying to portray. Exactly. | |
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Michael Jackson is not the only person to have money and help out his family weather a musician or athlete. Many NBA, NFL, MLB players make a lot of money and help out there family or the family members asking for momey if there broke. It aint new and not a excuse to make his family have to have appointments and want nothing to do with them. My point about Santa Maria in 2005 is if you want nothing to do with them before then then why want something to do with them during the trial. If i was one of his brothers id be like i can't make it because i didnt make a appointment. MJ is lucky to have brothers and sisters who forgave him for his evil ways. Many ppl would be like go to trial on your own because you have wanted nothing to do with us for years.
Watching the Jacksons reality show, maybe MJ should have hung with his brothers more often and maybe had some of his brother Marlon's Gumbo cooking, chillin with his brothers for a change and not think he was to good. Maybe he would still be alive. But instead he was handing with Dr Murray which was his choice. [Edited 4/3/10 12:12pm] | |
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During the trial MJ was holding on tight to Janet, Latoya, Jackie and his family's hand but once he was acquitted BY BY...SYA
This is what Janet was talking about when she agreed with Oprh that she lost her brother after Thriller. MJ needed his family in 2005 and when the trial was over it was PEACE OUT Had MJ been convicted and sent to prison he would have been crying Janet, Rebbie, Latoya, Jermaine, Jackie, Tito, Randy how come you never visit me. | |
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MyLuv229 said: murph said: I get Paul Mooney, because he's a comedian and he goes after everyone from Oprah to Whitney Houston.... But the obsessive hatred for this woman by some of the more hardcore MJ fans has gotten out of hand.... I don't think it's obsessive hatred. It's clear that Oprah believes what she believes about Michael. That's like saying why is there an "obsessive hatred" for Martin Bashir. It's people like them who take pleasure in carrying his name though mud and then there's a general consensus in believing things about Michael that are completely false - because they contribute to it. What's there to admire? Oprah has to impose her negativeity on questions about Michael whenever she's interviwing someone who has the slightest connection with him. It's pretty apparent in all the interviews she's done. Aside from Michael, I've seen her other interviews with celebrities and she's highly biased and very quick to impose her opinions on people. [Edited 4/3/10 9:24am] The only thing that's clear is some MJ fans are unable to understand that Oprah is in the business of asking the questions that the public want to know...There are plenty of other reasons to shit on Oprah (her self-important attitude, her boosting of some of Tyler Perry's horrible movies, the way she paints all lower class cultures with the same brush)...But her asking tough questions is not one of them...That's her business...Just because she's not throwing soft ball questions to celebrities does not make her evil...lol Oprah is not Dan Rather...She is a TV Talk Show host....So yeah, she can be bias if she wants...I think some MJ fans just need to let it go... The more hardcore contingent are coming off as obsessively petty...MJ was human...He had flaws.....I miss the man immensely....But let's not allow his tragic, untimely death turn him into a saint... | |
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BabyBeMine said: Michael Jackson is not the only person to have money and help out his family weather a musician or athlete. Many NBA, NFL, MLB players make a lot of money and help out there family or the family members asking for momey if there broke. It aint new and not a excuse to make his family have to have appointments and want nothing to do with them. My point about Santa Maria in 2005 is if you want nothing to do with them before then then why want something to do with them during the trial. If i was one of his brothers id be like i can't make it because i didnt make a appointment. MJ is lucky to have brothers and sisters who forgave him for his evil ways. Many ppl would be like
go to trial on your own because you have wanted nothing to do with us for years. Watching the Jacksons reality show, maybe MJ should have hung with his brothers more often and maybe had some of his brother Marlon's Gumbo cooking, chillin with his brothers for a change and not think he was to good. Maybe he would still be alive. But instead he was handing with Dr Murray which was his choice. [Edited 4/3/10 12:12pm] Baby, I don't think you understood. Mike de La Purré: "Michael had to run away from his brothers. He told me: "It's impossible to be with them. I want to, but they are constantly hounding me for reunion tours."" (...) "Once I saw the brothers with him, it was a hell just to watch. They only mentioned some reunion tour and were clearly forcing him to do that." I'm not talking about helping the family. I'm talking about the brothers being COMPLETELY DEPENDENT on Michael. I'm talking about the brothers being jobless, penniless, deadbeats, sex addicts and abusers. They didn't even have money to buy a lettuce, damnit. Michael paid even for their panties. Do you think this is normal? One thing is to help your family, another is to be their only source of income because they refuse to have a job. One thing is to ask for money. Another is to leech off of your relative, or extort him at every opportunity. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT! What Randy, Joe and Jermaine did to Michael is UNFORGIVABLE. The family is lucky Michael forgave them for their evil ways. You should put it like that. Because you can be damn sure that most of them have a place in hell, boy. [Edited 4/3/10 12:27pm] | |
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BabyBeMine said: During the trial MJ was holding on tight to Janet, Latoya, Jackie and his family's hand but once he was acquitted BY BY...SYA
This is what Janet was talking about when she agreed with Oprh that she lost her brother after Thriller. MJ needed his family in 2005 and when the trial was over it was PEACE OUT Had MJ been convicted and sent to prison he would have been crying Janet, Rebbie, Latoya, Jermaine, Jackie, Tito, Randy how come you never visit me. Maybe, but it is also a street way. If you want to imply Michael was a fair-weather family member, so were they. They were probably more concerned with their meal ticket going to jail and his reputation never recovering from that, which would mean they would need to leach off Janet. Personally, I don't blame Michael for trying his hardest to keep his extended family separate from his business-life. Funny how Michael didn't leave any of his wonderful siblings in his will, but his mom (who truly loved and accepted him for HIM and not for how he could advance her, he left in his will, along with his kids.) It seems Michael looked out for the people who loved him for him, and not as an object. MJ Fan 1992-Forever
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BabyBeMine said: During the trial MJ was holding on tight to Janet, Latoya, Jackie and his family's hand but once he was acquitted BY BY...SYA
This is what Janet was talking about when she agreed with Oprh that she lost her brother after Thriller. MJ needed his family in 2005 and when the trial was over it was PEACE OUT Had MJ been convicted and sent to prison he would have been crying Janet, Rebbie, Latoya, Jermaine, Jackie, Tito, Randy how come you never visit me. Sorry but that part of your post made me cringe for some reason MICHAEL JACKSON
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BabyBeMine probably needs to read some things about what those guys, the Jackson bunch, did to Michael. Even in his darkest hour, they extorted him, they leeched off of him and made sure he knew he was just their cash cow. Baby keeps talking about the trial...oh, if he/she knew what Randy and Joseph did to Michael during the trial!
Hey Baby, remember what did those two guys did to Michael, in 2005? Or do you have selective memory? [Edited 4/3/10 12:32pm] | |
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