BklynBabe said:

For real.

Two people who dislike MJ are using him to fight about Madonna. And a whole bunch of other nonsense.

MyMyMy said:

Exactly.

It's really sad to see people Insult the dead, calling him an idiot I still can't believe it.

BklynBabe said:

OFF-TOPIC: Because THIS is prince.org, AND that's how orgers roll! Some threads get hi-jacked within a matter of two pages or less.

BACK ON TOPIC: Does anyone know of any incidents where Beyonce OR Madonna name-checked each other? I'm trying to research this info myself. I don't even know if they're fans of each other's music or not.

MyMyMy said:

TonyVanDam said:

Lord. Just for the record, I never liked Madonna!

NastradumasKid said:

I've always liked most of Madonna's music (the 1980's, anyone?!?). It's her persona that always disappointed me at times.

TonyVanDam said:

To each his own. I just never like her.

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sleepyq said:

I love how u chose to ignore ALL my points, becuz EVERYTHIN i said was factual.

And exactly WHY should i respect MJ? Because he sold a lot of records? Because he could write great songs? I'm tryna understand dis. I dont see anyone demanding respect for Angelina Jolie or Bono, and they just as deep in the charity work as MJ was. Respecting someone also has to do with having some honsety about em. How many times can ppl fool u before we're allowed to call u a fool? Wuts the limit? Ppl trying the same thing over and over and he fell for it over and over, wut the fuck does dat make him? A foolish genius is wut. And yes, they definitely exist.

I wont even get into the Madonna thing, because I already commented on everythin u said:

sleepyq said:

Who r u arguin with about this? i said Madonna made better choices and is smarter than Michael. Before he died, they had sold the same amount of records. Why shouldn't they be compared? Madonna's path shows u wut u should do to stay on top, Michael's path shows wut to do to ruin ur career. Dats really wut it comes down to.

Layzie said:

Who is refusing to give him credit? I give credit where credit is due. MJ doesn't deserve any credit for his lack of common sense.

lezama said:

And there u go. Beyonce's 3 albums r sonically and stylistically identical.

Madonna's 1st 3 albums show evolution. Not only musically, but image wise.

Can Beyonce even write a song without the help of 16 other writers? She talks about how she "wrote this song for all the independent women" and how she "wrote this song so women can embrace their voluptuous bodies", but i have YET to look inside an album booklet and see Beyonce as the ONLY WRITER on a track. Madonna has written dozens of songs by herself.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Exactly.

And Beyonce has been called out and sued by several songwriters saying she had no hand in writing the material. Ne-Yo most notably said he wrote all the lyrics to Irreplacable and that the song was already ready before they chose Beyonce to sing it.

Yet Beyonce was sayin "i wrote dis fo all ma LADIESSSS." Such a dumb bitch.

midiscover said:

Missing my point again.

I never said having the media after you was a good thing, I said that's part of the reason he didn't have as many hits in the USA. Same with Janet, she only REALLY began to bomb hard after the Superbowl when the media took her down.

Thriller, Billie Jean, Scream, Black or White, DSTYGE, Beat It and Smooth Criminal would ALL be his most recognisable equally. PARTICULARLY Billie Jean (moonwalk, glove, jacket, video, racial barriers, MTV etc), Thriller and Beat It.

From wiki about MJ's sales:

"and estimated global sales of over 780 million records"

Probably more now if 2009 sales haven't been added yet.

Janet: "...having sold over 100 million records worldwide."

Janet is the 11th best selling artist in the USA. FYI, Britney is at #8.
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sleepyq said:

The most Beyonce did for Irreplaceable was a few melody riffs, which Ne-Yo stated. I've heard many demos for Beyonce and the demo's are the exact same as the versions Beyonce records, yet she gets writers credit. I know it's a business, but still

Well, she don't need to be. She has her own lane, and is making her own legacy whether people like it or not. And I have seen on this site, most don't like it. I don't understand why, but it's cool.

ViintageJunkiie said:

That's not true according to Tor Erik Hermansen from Stargate: But once Beyoncé heard it, she loved it and was sure she could make it her own. "What happens sometimes, is you think about a specific artist and you put them in this box, the song has to be this way or that, and then you're usually confining yourself to the thing they did three years ago," Hermansen said. "But she heard it and did her own vocal arrangements, asked for a few changes to be made and some new drums, and she sang it much higher than the demo."

And not to mention, and this is coming from a FAN, Bey's harmonic arrangements are oustanding. That's her lane. And every producer, and people who have worked with her say these things. Even people like Sasha Frere Jones who review her work in the New Yorker said that she does remarkable things with tone and harmonies so from that aspect, she deserves whatever credit she gets.