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Reply #120 posted 03/28/10 1:31pm

PurpleRain2010

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PurpleRain2010 said:

I've lurked on here for a while and I notice you all hate Beyonce. Why?
Anyone can tell that Beyonce is a better singer and dancer than Madonna. She is one of the best live performers in the music industry. BTW, Beyonce has toured Asia and Australia.
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personally, she tries to be everything to everyone and here "writing" credits. on stage no doubt she is magic though.


RE Bootylicious -
In an interview Rob said his money was cut 50% on Wild Wild West for using the Stevie Wonder sample and giving credit to Stevie, and that he told Matthew he wanted to play the guitar riff from Stevie Nicks' song, and use the sample, thus denying her credit. Matthew said no, he would just pay Stevie her royalties and give her credit. Fusari is the thief. Matthew and Beyonce were the honest ones, paying the original artist. In the article, he says his money was cut 50% because of Matthew's decision, which was the right thing to do.
Beyonce and Matthew done the right thing in this situation, but no one wants to give them credit for stopping Rob from cheating an artist out of her money.
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Reply #121 posted 03/28/10 10:31pm

alphastreet

both are in my top 5 female artists. What Madonna doesn't do, Beyonce makes up for
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Reply #122 posted 03/29/10 8:51am

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No one with a reasonable set of ears could argue that Madonna has a great singing voice. Chick can't really sing worth a damn and that's not what has kept her relevant all of these years. Madonna has good producers and fairly good pop songs. Beyonce is unquestionable a better singer and dancer but she has a crappy catalogue of music.
There is obviously going to be a strong Madonna bias on Prince.org. If you asked this question on another messageboard with a younger base of posters, I'm sure you would get a different answer.
Beyoncé is a better singer and dancer already and neither of them are all that great at acting. Music videos - Madonna all the way. The songs and videos are more of a reflection of their teams than them, so by default aren't a valid comparison of the individuals.
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Reply #123 posted 03/29/10 1:43pm

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TonyVanDam said:

I think there are more than enough orgers that are convince that there will NEVER be another Michael Jackson. And putting "Beyonce" & "Michael" in the same sentence is a waste argument.



But what about "Beyonce" & "Madonna"?

Madonna is in the USA's R&R Hall Of Fame and will more likely be in the one for the UK at some point. Her resume as a dance-pop icon is on an international level. The length of Madonna's career as an entertainer is within 3 decades running.

But can Beyonce get to that level at some point? OR does the Material Girl have Young B defeated from the jump?!?

I need everyone to answer the question in this Beyonce VS. Madonna debate based up the following categories:


quality of music
singing vocals (please DO NOT laugh!)
dancing routines
music videos
film/theater acting skills (again, please DO NOT laugh!!)
racial/cultural diversity of fan base

You are allow to give each artist a grade ranking of A+ through F in each of these 6 categories only.

OK, let's discuss like we have some class!
cool
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Not a huge fan of either's music but Beyonce wins the
Assalicious contest hands down. I may actually only bother
listening (if there's nothing else on the radio)to 4 songs
by each.
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Don't laugh at my funk
This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #124 posted 03/29/10 2:26pm

TonyVanDam

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BlaqueKnight said:

No one with a reasonable set of ears could argue that Madonna has a great singing voice. Chick can't really sing worth a damn and that's not what has kept her relevant all of these years. Madonna has good producers and fairly good pop songs. Beyonce is unquestionable a better singer and dancer but she has a crappy catalogue of music.
There is obviously going to be a strong Madonna bias on Prince.org. If you asked this question on another messageboard with a younger base of posters, I'm sure you would get a different answer.
Beyoncé is a better singer and dancer already and neither of them are all that great at acting. Music videos - Madonna all the way. The songs and videos are more of a reflection of their teams than them, so by default aren't a valid comparison of the individuals.


I was counting on some Madonna-fans to tell me what more could Beyonce do to get to that next level OR better.
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Reply #125 posted 03/29/10 2:27pm

TonyVanDam

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phunkdaddy said:



Not a huge fan of either's music but Beyonce wins the
Assalicious contest hands down.
I may actually only bother
listening (if there's nothing else on the radio)to 4 songs
by each.
[Edited 3/29/10 13:46pm]


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Reply #126 posted 03/29/10 3:07pm

jiorjios

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TonyVanDam said:

BlaqueKnight said:

No one with a reasonable set of ears could argue that Madonna has a great singing voice. Chick can't really sing worth a damn and that's not what has kept her relevant all of these years. Madonna has good producers and fairly good pop songs. Beyonce is unquestionable a better singer and dancer but she has a crappy catalogue of music.
There is obviously going to be a strong Madonna bias on Prince.org. If you asked this question on another messageboard with a younger base of posters, I'm sure you would get a different answer.
Beyoncé is a better singer and dancer already and neither of them are all that great at acting. Music videos - Madonna all the way. The songs and videos are more of a reflection of their teams than them, so by default aren't a valid comparison of the individuals.


I was counting on some Madonna-fans to tell me what more could Beyonce do to get to that next level OR better.


Take a long vacation... btw she has a new single out a duet with Jeezy neutral
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Reply #127 posted 03/31/10 11:30pm

purplesweat

lotusflower said:

NO...




Beyoncé can SING,... but she needs a REAL BAND behind her. Then, and THEN only can she grace the level of where Madonna is.

I don't see that happen... so NO.

smile just my 2cents...

BTW I'm not a big fan of those 2... I do like some 80's Madonna, (LIKE everyone!) and some (less) of Beyoncé.
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Beyonce does have a real band behind her. And LOL at that being the one thing hindering her, like anyone from this generation really gives a shit what she does artistically so long as the cold hard classics keep coming.
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Reply #128 posted 03/31/10 11:31pm

purplesweat

Oh, and MJ adored Beyonce. Madonna, not so much.
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Reply #129 posted 03/31/10 11:34pm

sleepyq

purplesweat said:

Oh, and MJ adored Beyonce. Madonna, not so much.

We all love MJ, but he was a total idiot. He was only mad because Madonna was everything he was not. Smart. White. In control. A true DIVA. MJ could NEVA.
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Reply #130 posted 03/31/10 11:36pm

midiscover

purplesweat said:

Oh, and MJ adored Beyonce. Madonna, not so much.


He was never the voice of reason.

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Reply #131 posted 03/31/10 11:39pm

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purplesweat said:

Oh, and MJ adored Beyonce. Madonna, not so much.


Prince said that Beyonce can sing.

Just saying.
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Reply #132 posted 03/31/10 11:39pm

purplesweat

sleepyq said:

purplesweat said:

Oh, and MJ adored Beyonce. Madonna, not so much.

We all love MJ, but he was a total idiot. He was only mad because Madonna was everything he was not. Smart. White. In control. A true DIVA. MJ could NEVA.


What the ever loving fuck? Please tell me you're joking. If not, you have serious issues. MJ is the best selling solo artist EVER with the best selling album EVER. Like he gave a shit what some upstart moron whose sales came from controversy thinks. Madonna was a slut and a bully towards him and only got nice once he passed away.

Oh, and don't say "white" like his vitiligo was some joke or myth. It runs in my family so shut the fuck up and educate yourself.
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Reply #133 posted 03/31/10 11:40pm

purplesweat

TonyVanDam said:

purplesweat said:

Oh, and MJ adored Beyonce. Madonna, not so much.


Prince said that Beyonce can sing.

Just saying.


I swear people on Prince.org are the only ones who honestly believe Beyonce cannot sing. Unbelievable.
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Reply #134 posted 03/31/10 11:41pm

midiscover

Prince is the same guy that assembled a girl group by the name of Vanity 6 neutral
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Reply #135 posted 03/31/10 11:42pm

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purplesweat said:

TonyVanDam said:



Prince said that Beyonce can sing.

Just saying.


I swear people on Prince.org are the only ones who honestly believe Beyonce cannot sing. Unbelievable.


See there, I knew THAT was going to wind you up. That is why I had to remind you what Prince said. lol
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Reply #136 posted 03/31/10 11:46pm

midiscover

sleepyq said:

purplesweat said:

Oh, and MJ adored Beyonce. Madonna, not so much.

We all love MJ, but he was a total idiot. He was only mad because Madonna was everything he was not. Smart. White. In control. A true DIVA. MJ could NEVA.


Girl... falloff

You're joking, right?

MJ was a talented artist and performer. Madonna isn't.
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Reply #137 posted 03/31/10 11:46pm

sleepyq

purplesweat said:

sleepyq said:


We all love MJ, but he was a total idiot. He was only mad because Madonna was everything he was not. Smart. White. In control. A true DIVA. MJ could NEVA.


What the ever loving fuck? Please tell me you're joking. If not, you have serious issues. MJ is the best selling solo artist EVER with the best selling album EVER. Like he gave a shit what some upstart moron whose sales came from controversy thinks. Madonna was a slut and a bully towards him and only got nice once he passed away.

Oh, and don't say "white" like his vitiligo was some joke or myth. It runs in my family so shut the fuck up and educate yourself.

I don't give a fuck about no fuckin vitiligo. I believe that he did have it, but that doesn't make him any less of a fucked up individual.

Madonna is a rich, glamorous, white woman in control of her career who demands respect for her accomplsihments. MJ was a successful, rich black man, and he could never be satisfied with that. People would have been so ready to forgive him for his bullshit and love him again, but he couldn't stop being such a disgraceful fuck up. Madonna is still here, on top of the world, raking in the dough. Where's ur boi at? He's roast beef. Don't be mad at ME.
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Reply #138 posted 03/31/10 11:47pm

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sleepyq said:

purplesweat said:

Oh, and MJ adored Beyonce. Madonna, not so much.

We all love MJ, but he was a total idiot. He was only mad because Madonna was everything he was not. Smart. White. In control. A true DIVA. MJ could NEVA.


disbelief rolleyes @ the way you're rewriting history.

The only 2 problems Michael ever had with Madonna was her giving him hints that she was jealous of his success during the 1980's (according to Michael of course) and that incident during their last dinner date with Madonna taking Michael to a gay club.
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Reply #139 posted 03/31/10 11:48pm

sleepyq

midiscover said:

sleepyq said:


We all love MJ, but he was a total idiot. He was only mad because Madonna was everything he was not. Smart. White. In control. A true DIVA. MJ could NEVA.


Girl... falloff

You're joking, right?

MJ was a talented artist and performer. Madonna isn't.

U also think Janet is more talented than MJ. U r in NO position to speak on talent. I never even said anything about Madonna having talent.

Now hush, boo.
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Reply #140 posted 03/31/10 11:51pm

sleepyq

TonyVanDam said:

sleepyq said:


We all love MJ, but he was a total idiot. He was only mad because Madonna was everything he was not. Smart. White. In control. A true DIVA. MJ could NEVA.


disbelief rolleyes @ the way you're rewriting history.

The only 2 problems Michael ever had with Madonna was her giving him hints that she was jealous of his success during the 1980's (according to Michael of course) and that incident during their last dinner date with Madonna taking Michael to a gay club.

Uh-huh, keep tellin urself that, boo.

Madonna was in control of her career and comfortable with her sexuality. She wasn't always trying to please this person or that person, trying to outsell this or outsell that. Doint eh same shit over and over again. I'm sure MJ wished his balls were as big as Madonna's. But then he would have to grow some first rite? lol
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Reply #141 posted 03/31/10 11:51pm

midiscover

sleepyq said:

midiscover said:



Girl... falloff

You're joking, right?

MJ was a talented artist and performer. Madonna isn't.

U also think Janet is more talented than MJ. U r in NO position to speak on talent. I never even said anything about Madonna having talent.

Now hush, boo.


HAAAA!!

She IS more talented.

Who's gon' check me, boo?
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Reply #142 posted 03/31/10 11:53pm

TonyVanDam

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sleepyq said:

purplesweat said:



What the ever loving fuck? Please tell me you're joking. If not, you have serious issues. MJ is the best selling solo artist EVER with the best selling album EVER. Like he gave a shit what some upstart moron whose sales came from controversy thinks. Madonna was a slut and a bully towards him and only got nice once he passed away.

Oh, and don't say "white" like his vitiligo was some joke or myth. It runs in my family so shut the fuck up and educate yourself.

I don't give a fuck about no fuckin vitiligo. I believe that he did have it, but that doesn't make him any less of a fucked up individual.

Madonna is a rich, glamorous, white woman in control of her career who demands respect for her accomplsihments. MJ was a successful, rich black man, and he could never be satisfied with that. People would have been so ready to forgive him for his bullshit and love him again, but he couldn't stop being such a disgraceful fuck up. Madonna is still here, on top of the world, raking in the dough. Where's ur boi at? He's roast beef. Don't be mad at ME.


To be very fair, Madonna NEVER rebelled against The Powers That Be like Michael OR 2pac did.



Just saying. neutral
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Reply #143 posted 03/31/10 11:55pm

sleepyq

midiscover said:

sleepyq said:


U also think Janet is more talented than MJ. U r in NO position to speak on talent. I never even said anything about Madonna having talent.

Now hush, boo.


HAAAA!!

She IS more talented.

Who's gon' check me, boo?

falloff

U r a trip!

U think Janet is more talented than Michael, but Madonna has no talent?

Michael was more talented than Madonna and Janet combined. Fact. That doesn't make him any less of a fool, tho.
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Reply #144 posted 03/31/10 11:57pm

sleepyq

TonyVanDam said:

sleepyq said:


I don't give a fuck about no fuckin vitiligo. I believe that he did have it, but that doesn't make him any less of a fucked up individual.

Madonna is a rich, glamorous, white woman in control of her career who demands respect for her accomplsihments. MJ was a successful, rich black man, and he could never be satisfied with that. People would have been so ready to forgive him for his bullshit and love him again, but he couldn't stop being such a disgraceful fuck up. Madonna is still here, on top of the world, raking in the dough. Where's ur boi at? He's roast beef. Don't be mad at ME.


To be very fair, Madonna NEVER rebelled against The Powers That Be like Michael OR 2pac did.



Just saying. neutral

Oh, this again...

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Reply #145 posted 03/31/10 11:58pm

midiscover

sleepyq said:

midiscover said:



HAAAA!!

She IS more talented.

Who's gon' check me, boo?

falloff

U r a trip!

U think Janet is more talented than Michael, but Madonna has no talent?

Michael was more talented than Madonna and Janet combined. Fact. That doesn't make him any less of a fool, tho.


False.

Janet is more talented.

Get it together, sis. Writing about the shit you wrote about a decade ago, using the same dance moves and jacking the sound your little sister used before you doesn't make you more talented.

bored2
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Reply #146 posted 03/31/10 11:58pm

TonyVanDam

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sleepyq said:

TonyVanDam said:



disbelief rolleyes @ the way you're rewriting history.

The only 2 problems Michael ever had with Madonna was her giving him hints that she was jealous of his success during the 1980's (according to Michael of course) and that incident during their last dinner date with Madonna taking Michael to a gay club.

Uh-huh, keep tellin urself that, boo.

Madonna was in control of her career and comfortable with her sexuality. She wasn't always trying to please this person or that person, trying to outsell this or outsell that. Doint eh same shit over and over again. I'm sure MJ wished his balls were as big as Madonna's. But then he would have to grow some first rite? lol


That is pure bull and you know it just as much as Mariah does. lol If Madonna wasn't sell enough albums, The WB Music Group would've drop her a long time ago.
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Reply #147 posted 04/01/10 12:03am

purplesweat

sleepyq said:

purplesweat said:



What the ever loving fuck? Please tell me you're joking. If not, you have serious issues. MJ is the best selling solo artist EVER with the best selling album EVER. Like he gave a shit what some upstart moron whose sales came from controversy thinks. Madonna was a slut and a bully towards him and only got nice once he passed away.

Oh, and don't say "white" like his vitiligo was some joke or myth. It runs in my family so shut the fuck up and educate yourself.

I don't give a fuck about no fuckin vitiligo. I believe that he did have it, but that doesn't make him any less of a fucked up individual.

Madonna is a rich, glamorous, white woman in control of her career who demands respect for her accomplsihments. MJ was a successful, rich black man, and he could never be satisfied with that. People would have been so ready to forgive him for his bullshit and love him again, but he couldn't stop being such a disgraceful fuck up. Madonna is still here, on top of the world, raking in the dough. Where's ur boi at? He's roast beef. Don't be mad at ME.


You KNOW for a fact he wasn't satisfied? He told you that, did he? He may have been lonely and had serious trust issues but career-wise he seemed perfectly fine with where he was at until obviously the 2000s.

He's only a "fuck up" if you believe the tabloid bullshit going around, which you clearly do. So sad and pathetic.

Madonna has NOT been top of the world for at least ten years now, it's been 5 years since her last big hit, she is no longer garnering the excitement and controversy she once did, most either want her to retire or prefer to poke fun at her adopting children.

You must've missed the news that not only is Mike the best selling artist of 2009 (and made people WANT to buy CDs again) but This Is It is the best selling concert film of all time. Suck on that, Madonna.
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Reply #148 posted 04/01/10 12:03am

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sleepyq said:

TonyVanDam said:



To be very fair, Madonna NEVER rebelled against The Powers That Be like Michael OR 2pac did.



Just saying. neutral

Oh, this again...

bored


Does it bother you when a few orgers keep posting that picture with the all-seeing eye on Madonna's back? The picture is just one of a few examples that she was down for the clause since day one.

Think about it.
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Reply #149 posted 04/01/10 12:05am

sleepyq

TonyVanDam said:

sleepyq said:


Uh-huh, keep tellin urself that, boo.

Madonna was in control of her career and comfortable with her sexuality. She wasn't always trying to please this person or that person, trying to outsell this or outsell that. Doint eh same shit over and over again. I'm sure MJ wished his balls were as big as Madonna's. But then he would have to grow some first rite? lol


That is pure bull and you know it just as much as Mariah does. lol If Madonna wasn't sell enough albums, The WB Music Group would've drop her a long time ago.

And when did i ever say she did not crave fame and success? Madonna was the original famewhore! lol

But she took chances. Changed her look. Changed her sound. Changed her style. Evolved with the times. Does soemthing different every tour. She hit a slump in the early 90s and worked her way back up. She flopped in 2003 and came back with the biggest album of 2005. MJ fell off and could not understand the concept of flopping. Instead of trying to bounce back and win people back over, he just STOPPED and ALL the attention was on his personal life. Very stupid. But also typical MJ. The man had no common sense whatsoever.
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